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Nez Perces Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.17 16:52:00 - [301] Edited by: Nez Perces on 17/07/2006 16:54:45 Sorry abdalion, was not my intention to suggest that our forum rules are inadequate, simply that in general it seems that these Goon guys approach the forum with a slightly different (more professional?) attitude which may have a good influence on the rest of us (the users that is). I could be wrong ofc...

Abdalion	Posted - 2006.07.17 17:05:00 - [302] Originally by: Nez Perces Sorry abdalion, was not my intention to suggest that our forum rules are inadequate, simply that in general it seems that these Goon guys approach the forum with a slightly different (more professional?) attitude which may have a good influence on the rest of us (the users that is). I could be wrong ofc... Wasn't worried about your reply, was concerned with the quoted link. We welcome all users to the forums, and encourage them to abide by the rules. And, I don't think you are going to be wrong. An educated posting population with good intent is a good thing. ___

The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.17 17:09:00 - [303] Originally by: Nez Perces Sorry abdalion, was not my intention to suggest that our forum rules are inadequate, simply that in general it seems that these Goon guys approach the forum with a slightly different (more professional?) attitude which may have a good influence on the rest of us (the users that is). I could be wrong ofc... Think of it as a stupidity tax. On SA, if you post something like 'hurr hi2u gf hf gg ppl tbh to be perfectly honest u suX0r', you'll get banhammered so fast you'll get whiplash. So if you stick around, you swiftly learn how to press the shift key and capitalize (FYAD nonwithstanding) and how not to act like a drooling AOL kiddie, lest you be out your :10bux:. Darwinism in action. Anyway, I suspect that most of the eve-o community is rather surprised to see that we are actually quite literate and intelligent, thank you, now that we're allowed to post and aren't represented by idiotic alt-posters. Admittedly, we have a politically incorrect sense of humor and are HORRIBLE AWFUL NEWBIES who dare attack 'established alliances', but we're hardly the fools eve-o has been blithely making us out to be for the past year.
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.07.17 17:14:00 - [304] Edited by: Joerd Toastius on 17/07/2006 17:19:01 Originally by: Minhjaal Originally by: Joerd Toastius Originally by: Snowden Vel Originally by: Joerd Toastius tl;dr fighting outnumbered at your own POS is not likely to win you or any other alliance many brownie points The reason we're bringing it up is the fact we're being accused of "blobbing" and lag exploits at battles where we've been outnumbered, rather than a desire for brownie points, though I do think our fleet commanders did an excellent job of maximizing the effects of the POS's support. Oh, sure, your POS defence strategies have been pretty good. Even given complaints about grid issues etc which could just be put down to very smart positioning, you've acquitted yourselves very well there. I just don't feel that POS defense fights are really relevant to discussions about fighting outnumbered, because it seems slightly unfair to ignore the starbase. But eh, ymmv. Be that as it may, its the fights at the POSes that are the ones that really count when taking control of a system. You dont usually see dreads with an escort force hanging out at planets, after all. Now, if we did we might actually answer the call to meet at a planet for a fleet engagement... I refer you back to my previous answer. True? Yes. Relevant to the discussion? No. We're talking about who is prepared to fight outnumbered, not who is good at fighting at a POS which, I have already acknowledged, the Goons are good at. But it's not relevant to discussion of whether or not this fleet or that fleet is prepared to engage a force of superior size. {edit} It's not a particularly big deal, either way. I don't rate suicidal FCs particularly high in most cases, unless it's Spar (corp member) because his Leeroys are too funny to pass up. Just making the simple point that saying "we engage outnumbered when we have a POS to back us up" is not, as you quoted me saying, going to earn you any pats on the back for being particularly brave or cunning.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.17 17:21:00 - [305] Originally by: The Mittani Anyway, I suspect that most of the eve-o community is rather surprised to see that we are actually quite literate and intelligent, thank you, now that we're allowed to post and aren't represented by idiotic alt-posters. Admittedly, we have a politically incorrect sense of humor and are HORRIBLE AWFUL NEWBIES who dare attack 'established alliances', but we're hardly the fools eve-o has been blithely making us out to be for the past year. I think what amazes some of us is that as you are to a large degree quite literate, intelligent and not the fools you have blithely been made out to be you continue to allow Remedial to lead the corporation. My guys would lynch me and rightly so if I had those kind of temper tantrums. Eve Blacklight Style
Vice Royy Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.17 17:24:00 - [306] Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 17/07/2006 08:56:15 Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 17/07/2006 08:13:57 Didnt read whole thread, didnt read whole log...but what i understude (i might be wrong) some ppl dont like Remm cause of the way he acted as dictator or something. I dont get you guys. What kind of game you think you playing? Bridge with old grannies? There is no democracy....only dictators with better or lesser skills with convincing their pilots that decision was made thanks to their opinion (others are only leaders untill first danger come close by) This game need more ppl like Remm...plenty of polite and boring diplomats anyway all over space He ovbiusly has some kind of WW2 tick, his ingame picture is Adolf **** and tbh, he acts on his forums like him. Same for some other goon alts out here, talking about euthanism and other stuff. Its just disgusting. Disgusting or not...this game is role play game. Plenty of space for all. And since it is a game it should be opened for all type of roles, IMO. When you consider that majority of pilots is above 18 and 21, then their mind should be strong enough for not taking some things granted (as some things that in RL are considered bad, this is a game where "evil" is and should be part of it). If you are disgust with somebody in game, go out, kill it and get down with it/him/her. Internal behaviour (inside corp orm alliance) is different. Pilots have option to step out from corp alliance if the dont feel comfort with...or overthrow leadership. But in the end this is a game...and "barbarian" sort of leadeship and acting is only "+" for game in global. If you read something on local that you dont feel comfort with..close local or dont read. If you get evemail with crap writen all over...petition it. But telling someone how they should act and play this game is not something positive for game its self. This is only my opinion however, and i dont have problems with RL issue brought in game where i have control to handle with such And about tactics or insults...no point to argue about it. You have input and output. Everything in between is variaty of ppl and their aproach. Final results count however, rest is just for forum whoring It is disgusting that man who is beloved by houndres of goons is teaking a portrait of Adolf **** a man who ordered to kill milions ppl in Europe, who ordered to kill some ppl from my owm family, who ordered to kill few millions ppl from my country. HOW SHOULD I RESPECT SUCH PLAYER!? Its sick that someone is taking so much care about a COMPUTER GAME. Its sick when someone is posting a racist words on those forums (gues who). This game is for fun but i see that theres a such man as Remedial who is crosing the line. Lets have fun, lets fight each other, lets play the game but there are some limits.
Floppy Disk GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.17 17:24:00 - [307] Eh, no one's perfect.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.17 17:36:00 - [308] Originally by: Blacklight I think what amazes some of us is that as you are to a large degree quite literate, intelligent and not the fools you have blithely been made out to be you continue to allow Remedial to lead the corporation. My guys would lynch me and rightly so if I had those kind of temper tantrums. This is probably for two reasons: 1. We have more contact with Remedial than eve-o does, and thus know him better, flaws included, and most of us like him despite those flaws. Also, the issues which most of eve-o has with Remedial (his total, absolute lack of political correctness) isn't seen as a bad thing by goons; if anything, we exalt it. 2. GoonSwarm is larger than any one man. Some people in GS don't like Rem, but they love their fellow bees. It's not all about one individual, it's about goons working together with goons (and their friends) in EVE to accomplish concrete goals. In any organization of 2500 people, you'll like some people, and you'll dislike others. You may love flying with a certain FC, though you may dislike the CEO; you may love your CEO and hate his directors. Personally, I think it trivializes the efforts of the average bee to try to turn every discussion of the Swarm into a discussion of Remedial. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, the leak of our internal discussions shows nothing new; directors and CEOs frequently fight and those fights get intense. Especially if half the directorate are attorneys, and attorneys aren't known for backing down, ever.
Ismern GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.17 17:44:00 - [309] Edited by: Ismern on 17/07/2006 17:44:59 All I have to say about this whole thing (aside from that slight killboard comment, which wasn't bad in and of itself in the slightest, but apparently between posting it and being here at work caused lots of smack and caused forum moderators to delete all of the posts pertaining to it) is that I have been enjoying myself immensely during the engagement. I have enjoyed how we have endured against all odds and against all criticisms, but I know the fight is far from over. I would almost be disappointed to see D2 just roll over and leave, but at least I know that's not going to happen. Bring on the fight guys, I still have ships to lose. ---------------- "It's not that I'm lazy . . . It's that I just don't care."
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.17 17:44:00 - [310] Originally by: Vice Royy big rant about Remedial, certain mustachioed dictators Goon humor is not for everyone, and will often make the heads of non-goons explode with outrage and incomprehension. I made an analogy earlier in this thread about meth-addicted 'special needs' children being shoved into a bus, handed firearms, and being brainwashed into launching themselves bodily at our foes. I suppose that I am a mean and sadistic person for finding the mental image hysterically amusing, but I do. But hey, some people think 'The Family Circus' is funny. Takes all kinds, neh?

Gareth Brynne	Posted - 2006.07.17 17:44:00 - [311] Edited by: Gareth Brynne on 17/07/2006 17:46:24 Originally by: Joerd Toastius Originally by: Snowden Vel Originally by: Joerd Toastius tl;dr fighting outnumbered at your own POS is not likely to win you or any other alliance many brownie points The reason we're bringing it up is the fact we're being accused of "blobbing" and lag exploits at battles where we've been outnumbered, rather than a desire for brownie points, though I do think our fleet commanders did an excellent job of maximizing the effects of the POS's support. Oh, sure, your POS defence strategies have been pretty good. Even given complaints about grid issues etc which could just be put down to very smart positioning, you've acquitted yourselves very well there. I just don't feel that POS defense fights are really relevant to discussions about fighting outnumbered, because it seems slightly unfair to ignore the starbase. But eh, ymmv. This makes no sense. It's like saying the Russians didn't really win the Battle for Moscow because they were better adapted to fighting in the cold weather than the Germans. That sucks for the Germans, but they weren't adequately fit to fight in those conditions and they lost because of it. Just because the Russians had the advantage doesn't take anything less away from their victory against what many perceived as a greater opponent. EDIT: This is my GS main.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.17 17:45:00 - [312] Originally by: The Mittani Personally, I think it trivializes the efforts of the average bee to try to turn every discussion of the Swarm into a discussion of Remedial. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, the leak of our internal discussions shows nothing new; directors and CEOs frequently fight and those fights get intense. Especially if half the directorate are attorneys, and attorneys aren't known for backing down, ever. I agree, it does trivialise it - and until he changes his attitude and adjusts it, at least in eve and on these forums, so that WE can put up with it, you can rest assured that we will continue to do so. It takes many men to be a success, it takes one man to f*ck it up - and that one man, in your case, is the man in charge - and he does so regularly.
Calenth Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.17 17:50:00 - [313] Edited by: Calenth on 17/07/2006 17:52:27 Originally by: Vice Royy Edit : I dont mind whole GS organisation and its idea/tactic etc but i would be happy if there was someone other in thir ceo place. Very, very few people other than Remedial would've ever had the megalomania and vision (really a fine line between the two) to even attempt to take over 0.0 space with swarms of newbies barely out of their trial accounts, much less to actually succeed in the attempt. You take the bad with the good. We respect Remedial for his vision, leadership, and tactical expertise, and then we call him a [censored] in private when he f***s up. Nobody's perfect, but there would never have been a Goonfleet in the first place without Remedial's leadership.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.17 17:53:00 - [314] Originally by: Dianabolic I agree, it does trivialise it - and until he changes his attitude and adjusts it, at least in eve and on these forums, so that WE can put up with it, you can rest assured that we will continue to do so. Then it is a good thing that we run our organization such that we goons enjoy it, rather than focusing on attempting to garner the acceptance of the eve-o public community. We don't recruit from the public, and never have; if we did, we wouldn't be able to behave like goons in an environment of our own choosing. Also, you don't have to worry about dealing with Remedial on the forums behaving in a fashion that offends you; he got permabanned. ^_^
Bitter Vet	Posted - 2006.07.17 17:53:00 - [315] Originally by: Dianabolic It takes many men to be a success, it takes one man to f*ck it up - and that one man, in your case, is the man in charge - and he does so regularly. yeah he sure has messed up goonswarm i mean just look at them
kia anna	Posted - 2006.07.17 17:54:00 - [316] Originally by: Vice Royy About a photo Seems to me, Remedial is a despotic ruler demanding and receiving the adoration of countless followers, prone to irrational out-burst but possessing a disturbing charisma enabling him to send his minions to their certain deaths again and again to achive victory` Surely you can see the similarities here, lets not get too uptight over what is essentially self depreciating humor on his part. <Insert joke about him overruling his generals, overextending his forces and getting his ass kicked here> =)
Calenth Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.17 17:57:00 - [317] Edited by: Calenth on 17/07/2006 17:59:38 Originally by: The Mittani 2. GoonSwarm is larger than any one man. Some people in GS don't like Rem, but they love their fellow bees. It's not all about one individual, it's about goons working together with goons (and their friends) in EVE to accomplish concrete goals. In any organization of 2500 people, you'll like some people, and you'll dislike others. You may love flying with a certain FC, though you may dislike the CEO; you may love your CEO and hate his directors. Personally, I think it trivializes the efforts of the average bee to try to turn every discussion of the Swarm into a discussion of Remedial. I want to echo this for emphasis. Fundamentally, GoonSwarm is about carving a niche and home in Eve for our shared community. Remedial has been the driving force behind making that ideal a reality, but we respect him for his drive in pursuit of that ideal, rather than the reverse. He does screw up sometimes, but so does everyone else. Fundamentally, though, he's working for the same goal that every other GoonSwarm member is in Eve -- carving out a home for Goons -- and that's why we respect and follow him.
Shachar Duragon Pioneer Group GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.17 18:13:00 - [318] Originally by: Blacklight I think what amazes some of us is that as you are to a large degree quite literate, intelligent and not the fools you have blithely been made out to be you continue to allow Remedial to lead the corporation. My guys would lynch me and rightly so if I had those kind of temper tantrums. I think a good sterotype of goons would be: Intelligent Arrogant Twisted sense of humor Enjoy the irony of acting like idiots Remedial is a good leader because following him blindly lets us act out stereotypes three and four. Remedial is also a good leader because his unstability is matched by his brilliance. The Swarm expects that every man will do his D U T Y
Dreiden Kisada GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.17 18:15:00 - [319] Originally by: Vice Royy It is disgusting that man who is beloved by houndres of goons is teaking a portrait of Adolf **** a man who ordered to kill milions ppl in Europe, who ordered to kill some ppl from my owm family, who ordered to kill few millions ppl from my country. HOW SHOULD I RESPECT SUCH PLAYER!? Followed by: Quote: Its sick that someone is taking so much care about a COMPUTER GAME. Just pointing it out. The preceding statements are my opionion. Not to be confused with anything official.**
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.17 18:17:00 - [320] Originally by: Dreiden Kisada Just pointing it out. I didn't have the heart to, it would have been too easy.

Phrixus Zephyr Omega Corp	Posted - 2006.07.17 18:22:00 - [321] Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 17/07/2006 18:21:59 Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: The Mittani Personally, I think it trivializes the efforts of the average bee to try to turn every discussion of the Swarm into a discussion of Remedial. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, the leak of our internal discussions shows nothing new; directors and CEOs frequently fight and those fights get intense. Especially if half the directorate are attorneys, and attorneys aren't known for backing down, ever. I agree, it does trivialise it - and until he changes his attitude and adjusts it, at least in eve and on these forums, so that WE can put up with it, you can rest assured that we will continue to do so. You first. Originally by: Remedial ...not to BoB or BoB fans or People Who Have An Opinion About BoB, and certainly not the Chief BoB Forum Prostitutes...
Vice Royy Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.17 18:34:00 - [322] Originally by: The Mittani Originally by: Dreiden Kisada Just pointing it out. I didn't have the heart to, it would have been too easy. I dont care about this game but i care about ppl about memory of those who died in war, who died in concentration camps. Im really sensitive about such things no matter in which game in which place. Thanks for humor its really needed here in that case. I wanted to point something here - behavior of your great leader who done so good thins to his corp - and ive done it. I wish you luck with such man.
Yazoul Samaiel	Posted - 2006.07.17 18:39:00 - [323] Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 17/07/2006 08:56:15 Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 17/07/2006 08:13:57 Didnt read whole thread, didnt read whole log...but what i understude (i might be wrong) some ppl dont like Remm cause of the way he acted as dictator or something. I dont get you guys. What kind of game you think you playing? Bridge with old grannies? There is no democracy....only dictators with better or lesser skills with convincing their pilots that decision was made thanks to their opinion (others are only leaders untill first danger come close by) This game need more ppl like Remm...plenty of polite and boring diplomats anyway all over space He ovbiusly has some kind of WW2 tick, his ingame picture is Adolf **** and tbh, he acts on his forums like him. Same for some other goon alts out here, talking about euthanism and other stuff. Its just disgusting. Disgusting or not...this game is role play game. Plenty of space for all. And since it is a game it should be opened for all type of roles, IMO. When you consider that majority of pilots is above 18 and 21, then their mind should be strong enough for not taking some things granted (as some things that in RL are considered bad, this is a game where "evil" is and should be part of it). If you are disgust with somebody in game, go out, kill it and get down with it/him/her. Internal behaviour (inside corp orm alliance) is different. Pilots have option to step out from corp alliance if the dont feel comfort with...or overthrow leadership. But in the end this is a game...and "barbarian" sort of leadeship and acting is only "+" for game in global. If you read something on local that you dont feel comfort with..close local or dont read. If you get evemail with crap writen all over...petition it. But telling someone how they should act and play this game is not something positive for game its self. This is only my opinion however, and i dont have problems with RL issue brought in game where i have control to handle with such And about tactics or insults...no point to argue about it. You have input and output. Everything in between is variaty of ppl and their aproach. Final results count however, rest is just for forum whoring /Signed and couldnt agree more The world of politices evolves and has many diff flavours , every one follows the trend that seems fit to his or her points of ideas and way to play , if eve was any diff then it would have been borign as hell and 0 wars sicne every one would be following one polciy no matter what is . Some policies can lead to victory and soem can lead to defeat so the result will be the only judge not what ppl think of it , if remdial's way gets Goon to be a power house and for exampel defeat another major power house then i think many ppl will be bittign their toungues but if he fails they will all howl around him liek starving wolves. "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"**

Serathu	Posted - 2006.07.17 18:42:00 - [324] Folks, please keep polite and on-topic here. Let's not turn this into a discussion about a certain WW2 leader please as such things are not welcome on these forums due to it being a topic of politics and one that many still feel particularly strongly about. Thank you! -Serathu- Ensign of CRC Interstellar Services Department mods@ccpgames.com

Giganticus Lordless Unbrella Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.17 18:52:00 - [325] The best part of all this is that during the last month - ie. when Goonswarm was kicking D2 ass left, right and centre - Remedial wasn't in charge. It was Hoegaarden. Hoegaarden has now been kicked out of Goonswarm in order to preserve Remedial. So what we are all asking is, what's more important to Goonswarm, success or Remedial? So far everyone's chosen Remedial. Good times for D2 on the horizon. ----------------------------------- lols
Wanmeili GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.17 18:56:00 - [326] Originally by: Giganticus So far everyone's chosen Remedial. We've chosen GoonSwarm, unequivocally.
Giganticus Lordless Unbrella Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.17 18:59:00 - [327] Originally by: Wanmeili Originally by: Giganticus So far everyone's chosen Remedial. We've chosen GoonSwarm, unequivocally. That would come under the "success" option. So not Remedial. ----------------------------------- lols
Frederick Skinner GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.17 19:02:00 - [328] Originally by: Giganticus The best part of all this is that during the last month - ie. when Goonswarm was kicking D2 ass left, right and centre - Remedial wasn't in charge. It was Hoegaarden. One thing you missed is that the battle that turn all this around and we killed dreads, Rem was FC. I'm willing to ride this out. You are not going to "spook" me. ______________
Wanmeili GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.17 19:06:00 - [329] Originally by: Giganticus Originally by: Wanmeili Originally by: Giganticus So far everyone's chosen Remedial. We've chosen GoonSwarm, unequivocally. That would come under the "success" option. So not Remedial. If you follow the exact events of the war, our "success option" is attributed firmly to the many hardworking members of GS proper. But it is funny how you're sitting at the tail end of your thread saying "hey, guys, guys, pay attention to me... Drama. Drama drama. Drahmahhhhh! Listen to me, c'mon guys! Drama?"
Arath Veduran Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.17 19:06:00 - [330] Originally by: Giganticus Originally by: Wanmeili Originally by: Giganticus So far everyone's chosen Remedial. We've chosen GoonSwarm, unequivocally. That would come under the "success" option. So not Remedial. I will stand behind whatever leader GoonSwarm has. I will hop into any ship I can afford, join a gang of other goons, and fight our enemies wherever they go. Whatever goes on in the higher levels of command, there will always be countless goons who just want to fight and die and make GoonSwarm a great alliance. I am one of those goons, and I'm damn proud of it.



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