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Spaceman Jack
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.08 16:06:00 -
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"Will make things harder for people, and reduce power projection." - CCP
From the recent WH dev-blog
"Now with the benefits of hindsight this prediction appears amusingly naive. Ingenious players have quite easily overcome any and all challenges and created an entire society within this uniquely hostile environment." - CCP
Sound familiar? |
Noriko Mai
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Posted - 2014.08.08 16:10:00 -
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Context seems to be not that relevat nowadays... I blame twitter and facebook! |
Spaceman Jack
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2014.08.08 16:16:00 -
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The context is identical.
Predictions which are unfounded and completely unable to accurately predict the player-base's amazing ability to surprise and adapt. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
16261
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Posted - 2014.08.08 16:29:00 -
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INB4 thread goes all Dinsdalian and Tinfoil prices skyrocket.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23802
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Posted - 2014.08.08 16:33:00 -
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Spaceman Jack wrote:Sound familiar? Not particularly.
One talks about inconveniences making something impossible, the other talks about increasing inconvenience. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7551
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Posted - 2014.08.08 16:47:00 -
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Spaceman Jack wrote:"Will make things harder for people, and reduce power projection." - CCP
From the recent WH dev-blog
"Now with the benefits of hindsight this prediction appears amusingly naive. Ingenious players have quite easily overcome any and all challenges and created an entire society within this uniquely hostile environment." - CCP
Sound familiar?
I'll just leave this here....... |
George Gouillot
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
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Posted - 2014.08.08 16:54:00 -
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Diiiinsdaaale! |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
903
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Posted - 2014.08.08 17:34:00 -
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So if jump fuel needed is incresed by 50% then that means ice prices are going to go up again right? RIGHT!!! |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3744
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Posted - 2014.08.08 17:40:00 -
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except the primary aim of increasing jump fuel requirements was to increase the market for ice products. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1146
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Posted - 2014.08.08 18:01:00 -
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Spaceman Jack wrote:Sound familiar? Nope. NEXT! |
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Cap ITal
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.08 18:54:00 -
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I would like things to be reverted. but honestly I wonder if its not time to let carriers and dreads use gates but give them like 1au sec warp |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.08 19:01:00 -
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The change was for ice products benefit not to nerf power projection. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
166
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Posted - 2014.08.08 20:20:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:The change was for ice products benefit not to nerf power projection.
A PP nerf was listed as one of the reasons for the change.
Of course that was roundly mocked and rightly so because it was an idiotic justification for a perfectly sensible economic balancing change, but there we are: facts are facts. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
19
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Posted - 2014.08.08 21:09:00 -
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Cap ITal wrote:I would like things to be reverted. but honestly I wonder if its not time to let carriers and dreads use gates but give them like 1au sec warp
Because we need dreads in highsec, right? Oh wait... When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the aliterate. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
1987
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Posted - 2014.08.08 22:17:00 -
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I honestly don't understand why CCP decided to subsidize ice mining at that point. If prices go down, fewer people mine ice, demand outpaces supply, prices go back up. Ice mining, as a profession, can't die in eve. Too many people use the topes, it might have dipped a bit on the change had ccp not intervened, but the market would have stabilized at a fair price where enough ice miners consider it worth their time to mine topes to meet existing demand.
I'm not normally a "the market solves everything" guy, but in this case I think that CCP should have let the market sort itself out. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
2848
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Posted - 2014.08.09 02:03:00 -
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EvE is dieing/dying (thanks Mallok), or it's dead?
Is that the gist?
I hope so. Normal programming around here. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10970
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Posted - 2014.08.09 04:09:00 -
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I don't think the justification for the change (stimulating the ice market) holds particularly well, given what PotatoOverdose said and given the fact that while research poses are no longer necessary (iirc that being what prompted the change), there are now more reasons to have a POS in highsec than before, as well as more places to put one. It seems to me that the ice market would have done just fine without the change. And as a nerf to power projection, well... we can see that hardly had any effect on groups like us. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Nimrod vanHall
Martyr's Vengence Nulli Secunda
95
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Posted - 2014.08.09 14:35:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I don't think the justification for the change (stimulating the ice market) holds particularly well, given what PotatoOverdose said and given the fact that while research poses are no longer necessary (iirc that being what prompted the change), there are now more reasons to have a POS in highsec than before, as well as more places to put one. It seems to me that the ice market would have done just fine without the change. And as a nerf to power projection, well... we can see that hardly had any effect on groups like us.
So true, more fuel needed just means systems with ice bels get more valuable, meaningwe increase the rent for those systems so we have more isk to buy said ice products namely jump fuel. For me as an N3 (s2n) line member it makes no difference anyway since for move/strategic ops my corp pays for the fuel with renter isk. |
Jarnis McPieksu
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
529
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Posted - 2014.08.09 17:53:00 -
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It is aimed for further redistribution of wealth from big alliances to small time ice miners.
So far the only effect seems to be slightly more moaning in comms over "waste of topes" when we get blueballs after blowing few billion ISK in isotopes while Slowcat-jumping to a target over a couple of midpoints.
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Spaceman Jack
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2014.09.02 19:08:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:except the primary aim of increasing jump fuel requirements was to increase the market for ice products.
Ah, I was confused when the devs stated otherwise at fanfest an on the forums. |
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Ioci
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
518
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Posted - 2014.09.02 19:57:00 -
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If they really want to balance industrial distribution chains they need to stop creating bottleneck online scenarios.
There is more to Ice than Isotopes and the amount of Ice that is mined has always been determined by the Liquid Ozone demand. Fuel Block Isotope requirements are almost 1:1 in what you need and what you get. Fuel Block Liquid Ozone is over 500% of what I get from a single block of Ice.
This means I need to mine 5+ Ice to get enough Liquid Ozone to make a Fuel block. The Isotopes from 4 of those blocks are 'spare'. All the Isotopes I mine when mining Ice for Jump Bridge Liquid Ozone are 'spare'. They can crank up demand for Isotopes all they want. Unless they crank them up by 400% or more, there is no way to meet demand for the amount coming in to the game. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Ohkewl
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.03 00:17:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I don't think the justification for the change (stimulating the ice market) holds particularly well, given what PotatoOverdose said and given the fact that while research poses are no longer necessary (iirc that being what prompted the change), there are now more reasons to have a POS in highsec than before, as well as more places to put one. It seems to me that the ice market would have done just fine without the change. And as a nerf to power projection, well... we can see that hardly had any effect on groups like us.
Another reason for the change was that since it was no longer needed to have multiple of the same labs at a pos, they expected alot of people would downsize their pos to cut fuel consumption in half. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
3413
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Posted - 2014.09.03 04:59:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:INB4 thread goes all Dinsdalian and Tinfoil prices skyrocket.
What would you like me to say? PCU is way down. CCP 1st half 2014 gross income was down 200K u.s., and that was post dual training, pre-Crius.
CCP is just playing at the edges of saving the game. If they want to get serious, CCP will ignore their "advisors", and reverse the damage done to high sec in the last 3 years, and start addressing the null sec stagnation by tripling the distance between star systems.(and that is just a scratch of the surface)
But the neither the destruction of high sec income, nor the destruction of the game mechanics that support the cartels will happen anytime soon, or ever. CCP decision-makers have too much hubris and are too much in the thrall of the cartels to truly do what needs to be done to turn around the slide.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12957
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Posted - 2014.09.03 05:04:00 -
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Spaceman Jack wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:except the primary aim of increasing jump fuel requirements was to increase the market for ice products. Ah, I was confused when the devs stated otherwise at fanfest an on the forums.
That was just to try and keep some people happy about the change. Anyone who knows their stuff will know that you cant nerf power projection. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
3414
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Posted - 2014.09.03 05:13:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Spaceman Jack wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:except the primary aim of increasing jump fuel requirements was to increase the market for ice products. Ah, I was confused when the devs stated otherwise at fanfest an on the forums. That was just to try and keep some people happy about the change. Anyone who knows their stuff will know that you cant nerf power projection.
There are many ways to reduce drastically the ridiculous level of power projection that exists in the game today, and reopen null sec to many more player groups.
But none will be implemented because they will hurt the cartels. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
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Posted - 2014.09.03 05:22:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:baltec1 wrote:Spaceman Jack wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:except the primary aim of increasing jump fuel requirements was to increase the market for ice products. Ah, I was confused when the devs stated otherwise at fanfest an on the forums. That was just to try and keep some people happy about the change. Anyone who knows their stuff will know that you cant nerf power projection. There are many ways to reduce drastically the ridiculous level of power projection that exists in the game today, and reopen null sec to many more player groups. But none will be implemented because they will hurt the cartels.
I agree. TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
923
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Posted - 2014.09.03 05:22:00 -
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If ccp really wanted to nerf power projection they would nerf jump ranges and have cool down timers on using jump drives. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9506
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Posted - 2014.09.03 05:22:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: There are many ways to reduce drastically the ridiculous level of power projection that exists in the game today, and reopen null sec to many more player groups.
But none will be implemented because they will hurt the cartels.
Oh, you are still here. And I had wondered if you gotten banned after CCP Falcon slapped you down last time. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12958
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Posted - 2014.09.03 05:26:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:baltec1 wrote:Spaceman Jack wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:except the primary aim of increasing jump fuel requirements was to increase the market for ice products. Ah, I was confused when the devs stated otherwise at fanfest an on the forums. That was just to try and keep some people happy about the change. Anyone who knows their stuff will know that you cant nerf power projection. There are many ways to reduce drastically the ridiculous level of power projection that exists in the game today, and reopen null sec to many more player groups. But none will be implemented because they will hurt the cartels.
How do you stop us dumping the fabled 1000 Megathron fleet on your head? Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6008
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Posted - 2014.09.03 05:31:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: There are many ways to reduce drastically the ridiculous level of power projection that exists in the game today, and reopen null sec to many more player groups.
But none will be implemented because they will hurt the cartels.
Oh, you are still here. And I had wondered if you gotten banned after CCP Falcon slapped you down last time.
Took some time off to nurse his injured ego. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee & Grammar Gestapo. |
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