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Dark Armata
Bookmark Both Sides Exit Strategy..
131
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Posted - 2014.08.06 23:17:00 -
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Thankyou. Great work.
Much appreciated. W-Space WAS Best Space*
*Until CCP decided W-Space should be the next null.
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BeanBagKing
Aperture Harmonics No Holes Barred
293
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Posted - 2014.08.07 00:41:00 -
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THIS IS GREAT NEWS!
Another related request.
When you open up a can you have a search bar at the top. So you can type in "J155555 -> J234567" and it will show only that bookmark. It would help me very much, in ways I don't really want to relate here, if you could make it so we could search for multiple objects and other more granular things. Here's some examples, because I'm not positive I'm explaining this correctly.
Lets say I have a can of bookmarks with names like 1a, 2b, 3c, 4d, 5e, etc.
I want to find the bookmarks for the 2nd, 3rd, and 5th wormhole. Right now I have to type in 2, take that bookmark, 3, take that bookmark, and 5, then that bookmark. It would be much better if I could search for Quote:"2b" [and] "3c" [and] "5e"
The quotations would ensure an exact match, so if you have a space in your bookmark name it would search for that exact name, you can also include functions such as [or] and [not], or use == and != if you want...
This example is really simple, but with a can full of 80 bookmarks it would make a HUGE difference. I've also forwarded the idea to Corbexx, speak to him more about it please. |
Serith Ellecon
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
30
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Posted - 2014.08.07 00:43:00 -
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Positive change, endorsed. Inappropriate signature added.-á CCP Notarealdev. |
Winthorp
2488
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Posted - 2014.08.07 00:56:00 -
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Great work CCP, this will be your best expansion ever. Ship it. |
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
366
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Posted - 2014.08.07 02:37:00 -
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Decent change, thanks
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Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3600
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Posted - 2014.08.07 03:59:00 -
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This one's the lowest impact and is a long time coming. Seem fine. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/ |
Saavik Ambraelle
Lazerhawks
18
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Posted - 2014.08.07 04:30:00 -
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Good changes overall, not keen on the spawn ranges thing. That just kills rage rolling and rolling holes in general. Intoxication is the most effective of warp scramblers. |
unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
128
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Posted - 2014.08.07 05:16:00 -
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Ship it! |
Swidgen
Republic University Minmatar Republic
149
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Posted - 2014.08.07 08:44:00 -
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Good change.
If you want to reduce server load for bookmarks, I suggest storing them all client-side. When the player makes a bookmark the server could generate an HMAC for the system id and xyz coordinates and send it back to the client where it's stored.
When a player wants to warp to a bookmark now I imagine the process goes like this: client Warp To Bookmark -> send bookmark ID to server -> server DB QUERY to find location -> warp player ship to xyz
If they were stored client-side it would go like this instead: client Warp To Bookmark -> send xyz and HMAC to server -> server authenticates HMAC -> warp player ship to xyz
If the HMAC verification code is faster than the database code (a big if, granted, I don't know your systems) then it's a big win for server cpu cycles and frees up all those sweet database rows for corp and alliance bookmark storage (they'd still need to be stored server-side for sharing).
HMACs ensure data integrity and authentication. Thus, pretty solid assurance that the bookmark really did originate on CCPs servers and not from a player trying to exploit the system by editing the xyz values for his local bookmark stash.
Just a thought. Maybe that's exactly what this new change is doing |
Mithandra
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
112
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Posted - 2014.08.07 10:14:00 -
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Just give us alliance bookmarks.
Everything else is just a paper thin patch over a suppurating sore. |
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Valenthe de Celine
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.08.07 11:36:00 -
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Not entirely sure why this is something feedback is needed over.
Do people regularly need to transfer more than 5 bookmarks at a time to a container for sharing to others? If so, there sounds like other issues that are not being addressed here, and this is a Band-aid to help something that needs a cast and traction. Still, I guess its an improvement?
That said, it's not like I needed better corp management interfaces. Or more functional POS code that didn't cause my own defenses to target me and unload when I just anchored it an hour ago. Or for my master wallet access to not be required for every industrial job by anyone in my corp/ Yeah, none of that is needed, really. But this bookmarks thing really feels important. |
Space Wanderer
128
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Posted - 2014.08.07 12:45:00 -
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REMOVED: *wrong thread* |
Shaklu
Mass Effect Enterprises Dark Knights of Eden
5
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Posted - 2014.08.07 13:16:00 -
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+1 Would also like to see the addition of creating BM "groups" somewhat like chat channels, so if you aren't in an alliance with someone, you can still create a shared folder(s) of bookmarks, and just add people or corps to have access to the group. |
Orange Aideron
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2014.08.07 13:31:00 -
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+1
Copying faster is a good step in the right direction. We use bookmarks to label CHA tabs in different PoSes. Waiting for a bookmark copy sometimes was interesting.
On a side note, talking about work arounds to a bigger problem (fixing PoSes), could we have a nameable tag item that you place in a CHA tab to replace the bookmark trick? PHA just don't cut it for higher class wh groups (too small).
07 OJ |
fightingblind
Sturmgrenadier Inc Dirt Nap Squad.
0
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Posted - 2014.08.07 19:54:00 -
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Shaklu wrote:+1 Would also like to see the addition of creating BM "groups" somewhat like chat channels, so if you aren't in an alliance with someone, you can still create a shared folder(s) of bookmarks, and just add people or corps to have access to the group.
I think that sounds good. Could also have "fleet bookmarks" that everyone in fleet can access. |
A Wrench
Supreme Work Organisation of Roid Destroyers Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2014.08.07 20:02:00 -
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Bookmark Idea:
This is a reiteration of the request to have at least one or two bookmarks displayed on the overview. This may be the perfect example of a good use for "client side bookmarks" as Swidgen suggested (post #39).
When switching from one computer to another all the standard bookmarks would be available vis the right-click as always and the ones designated for Overview use whould have to be "reselected" or maybe recreated (dependining on implementation methods). |
Rei Moon
Murderous Inc
13
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Posted - 2014.08.07 20:06:00 -
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+1
<3 Fozzy and CCP for this!
I luv u.
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Alundil
Isogen 5
633
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Posted - 2014.08.07 20:33:00 -
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Nothing bad to say about improving bookmark copying. Being in a single corp it's not as necessary. But still a good change.
That said - can we please have some improvement in the manner and time in which corp bookmarks update? It's very imprecise and really delays/messes with things in time critical scenarios.
I'm right behind you |
Wingzero Mileghere
Cascading Failure Un.Bound
1
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Posted - 2014.08.07 21:29:00 -
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Mithandra wrote:Just give us alliance bookmarks.
Everything else is just a paper thin patch over a suppurating sore.
read the dev blog and you might notice that this change is a tie over to get to that point |
Marox Calendale
Human League
28
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Posted - 2014.08.08 08:17:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote: We are also interested in your views on the bookmark system as a whole and what you would like to see from it. - Alliance Bookmarks (as you-¦re hopefully already working on) - Fleet Bookmarks - decreasing the delay when Corporation Bookmarks are distributed
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Winthorp
2496
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Posted - 2014.08.08 08:26:00 -
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I would really just love BM's to come with an expiry date/time. I am so lazy at deleting the old chain BM's. |
Dawnel
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
2
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Posted - 2014.08.08 16:43:00 -
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Radial menus for bookmarks for faster warping Bookmarks in overview Subfolders |
Emmerik
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.08 17:50:00 -
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Only thing I whould like to see, is that you guys raise the cap on bookmarks. I am at 16000 bookmarks and cant make anymore now :( |
Jinn Aideron
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Posted - 2014.08.08 23:14:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:We are also interested in your views on the bookmark system as a whole and what you would like to see from it. While touching this, could the 'New Bookmark' window remember its position on screen between instances? That'd be so helpful!
Stealth deletes are bad. |
Shelenaa
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.08.09 08:59:00 -
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Emmerik wrote:Only thing I whould like to see, is that you guys raise the cap on bookmarks. I am at 16000 bookmarks and cant make anymore now :(
Or maybe make it so that we can export bookmarks to a file on our Computers... so we can make room in the bookmarklist. And when we need specific bookmarks we can import them again.
Ohhh, that whould be nice yes!
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Alt Two
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
131
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Posted - 2014.08.09 10:49:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:We are also interested in your views on the bookmark system as a whole and what you would like to see from it. Brackets visible in space. With a per-bookmark toggle if it should be visible or not. |
Xindi Kraid
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
790
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Posted - 2014.08.09 11:32:00 -
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I think one of the biggest improvements would be if sharing bookmarks didn't require the use of an actual object.
Corp bookmarks are great, and alliance bookmarks would be welcome, but it would be a huge step forward if we could link a bookmark in chat or in an evemail. |
Col Deathstroke
Fool Mental Junket
2
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Posted - 2014.08.10 00:53:00 -
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I find this entire bookmark sharing system very annoying. Yes, there have been some improvements made over the years, but there is only so much you can do to improve something that is flawed to begin with.
We are suppose to be in a distant future, with super advanced technologies at our disposal and the only way to share coordinates of a certain location with my fellow pilots is to dump them in some metal can and jettison it into space, and they all have to come pick it up?? Now thats just silly... sharing coordinates should be as easy as pressing a button.
There are number of ways how this could be done, to avoid making dozens and dozens of bookmark copies to share with others.
Yes, corporation bookmarks were nice, and alliance bookmarks would also improve the whole experience further.
Some already mentioned fleet bookmars, that would only be relevant to people on joint ops and would only last as long as the fleet is still active.
Others also mentioned drag & dropping them into chats, another good idea.
So efforts should be focused towards the ultimate goal of eliminating the need of bookmark copying entirely, and making it just a 1 click/drag job that only takes you couple seconds, and not having to waste 10-15 mins (or more) till everyone involved in the upcoming op (or simply day to day routine) has the required bookmarks.
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Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2014.08.10 11:08:00 -
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Viscis Breeze wrote:Traiori wrote:This is a good change, and one that improves QoL in wormholes.
I look forward to seeing Alliance bookmarks as well, which would also reduce the amount of bookmarks that some groups need to copy over between people. This. If we wouldn't need to copy or have copy restrictions if we had alliance bookmarks.
agreed -- reduce the need to copy with more shared access of BMs (alliance ?or even fleet?)
multiple BM copies usually happen - not because all those BMs are needed now - but because opportunity to exchange is now and arranging another exchange will be time consuming and not timely.
Thus even adding more speedy and convenient exchange of copies by email might reduce blind mass copying of BMs simply because two toons are currently close enough to swap BMs. But shared access storage is the best solution.
Fleet shared BMs would of course help WH PVP roam fleets |
Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2014.08.10 11:22:00 -
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Col Deathstroke wrote:I find this entire bookmark sharing system very annoying. Yes, there have been some improvements made over the years, but there is only so much you can do to improve something that is flawed to begin with.
We are suppose to be in a distant future, with super advanced technologies at our disposal and the only way to share coordinates of a certain location with my fellow pilots is to dump them in some metal can and jettison it into space, and they all have to come pick it up?? Now thats just silly... sharing coordinates should be as easy as pressing a button.
There are number of ways how this could be done, to avoid making dozens and dozens of bookmark copies to share with others.
Yes, corporation bookmarks were nice, and alliance bookmarks would also improve the whole experience further.
Some already mentioned fleet bookmars, that would only be relevant to people on joint ops and would only last as long as the fleet is still active.
Others also mentioned drag & dropping them into chats, another good idea.
So efforts should be focused towards the ultimate goal of eliminating the need of bookmark copying entirely, and making it just a 1 click/drag job that only takes you couple seconds, and not having to waste 10-15 mins (or more) till everyone involved in the upcoming op (or simply day to day routine) has the required bookmarks.
eh drop and drag is just UI means for copying
still I like the idea for more convenient JIT copying of BMs
as opposed to can or ships meeting in space to exchange every possible BM when most the time 90% are never used. LOL - and half the time you end up still missing the one you need (like T2 wrecks to loot and salvage after everyone else left) |
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