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steveid
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Posted - 2006.07.11 10:38:00 -
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Well i had an idea in someone elses thread, and rather than hijack his i thought i'd start mu own.
I would quite like to see a new class of tech 2 cruiser, based upon the lines of the vagabond. A new class of cruiser based upon speed and agility rather than raw dps and tank.
I would give it similer dps to the HAC's, slightly less tanking ability and a class wide bonus to its speed and agility.
I would base this ship on the vagabond style, fast moving, versatile, able to work solo but devestating in groups against an unprepared fleet.
When i look at the introduction of the interceptor, it really revolutionised the use of frigates as a viable form of pvp. At the moment HAC's are used quite a lot, and theydo get used in pvp in 0.0 sometimes, but i feel there is a niche of a gank squad of t2 cruisers that is currently being filled by interceptors cand assault frigates.
The bottom line of this, is that the vaga is a hell of a lot of fun to fly, and i really think if we had a new cruiser section like this it would do the following things:
Give older players a new fun aspect of the game, thereby helping with player retention
If seeded right it would take the pressure of the HAC market, a current problem in a lot of peoples eyes
It could be possible to aid the way fleet fights are fought these dayand encourage closer range engagements, as a bunch of fast moving cruisers would be able to prevent themselves from getting hit, while closing the distance at a good speed.
Once again the real basis of this is to make the game more fun than it already is, and to this end i would like to see enough BPO's seeded to make the price of one reasonable, say 50 million.
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Zion Bazaar
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Posted - 2006.07.11 11:02:00 -
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I love the idea but I wouldn't want to tread on the Vaga's toes too much. Let HACs be the damage dealers.
How about giving these Skirmish Cruisers 75% of the damage, less armour/shield, lower resists but more agility?
Vaga's are so much fun to fly it would be nice to let the other races get a bit of the action whilst retaining the Minmatar's uniqueness.
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steveid
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Posted - 2006.07.11 12:03:00 -
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That was the general idea i had in mind. Less damage, perhaps make them closer range ships, and a lot more speed and agility. I would even maybe move the vagabond over to this class and give mini another HAC type.
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NumbaONE Gunna
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Posted - 2006.07.11 17:34:00 -
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I love going fast and being as im not the most uber rich guy out there i cannot afford nor do i have skill for a vaga atm. so i generally stick to my stabber. which is my favorite cruiser (except the vaga). I do wish it ahd 2 more slots so it could be the best t1 cruiser ever. one more mid and low and i would wet myself. right now its fast but if i could have 3 nano-fibres and a wsc on it with my mwd.. its fast enough with small enough size (forgot word im looking for) to be fairly safe.
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Pattern Clarc
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Posted - 2006.07.11 18:23:00 -
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maybe this could be the new roles of destroyers
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.07.11 18:36:00 -
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Great idea... if you get it past Sarmaul and Testy and the other TM hags we are in business (perhaps a last minute proposal in the summer session?)
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steveid
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Posted - 2006.07.11 18:59:00 -
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The difficulty of cruisers is there speed isn't good enough. The stabber is perhaps the exception to this, altho its lastablity isn't great. I'd like to make the class an inbetween, in much the same way interceptors are inbetween frigs and assault frigs .. have a skirmish cruiser between cruisers and assault cruisers.
A deimos with more speed and a few less defenses would be a used ship, the vaga as it is mainly (maybe a few less lows for a lot less money), a cerberus hybrid with a decent amount of speed and an assault launcher bonus and an omen with less damage more speed and a better range of resists.
I'd like to see all of these bs's closeish range, fullfilling the same role that a vaga does now.
Basically faster, less hardcore, more agile HAC's that are a reasonable price. This to me is something very important. I wouldn't want to be paying more than 50 mil for these ships.
Anyone got any setup of how they should be slot, grid and cpu wise?
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Blitz'Krieg
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Posted - 2006.07.11 23:10:00 -
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I'd quite like to see a faster version of the cerberus. Something like a heavy crow maybe would be nice. Caldari is a nice race, but they are a bit point click activate sit. Be nice to have something you can pilot.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.07.11 23:16:00 -
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If this goes through I expect rapiers to be the most expensive recon ship, and WCS demand to go through the roof. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
Audrea
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Posted - 2006.07.12 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu If this goes through I expect rapiers to be the most expensive recon ship, and WCS demand to go through the roof.
Indeed, I would love nothing more than a Deimos with agility and speed of the Vigilant ------------------ If you are tired of fleet combat lag, post HERE
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Murukan
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Posted - 2006.07.12 02:03:00 -
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you should define skirmish. You pretty much described what a hac does. Strap a mwd on any hac and woohoo you can go fast. Vaga is just faster than the rest because that is it's role. Each hac is unique, would be lame to pile in a bunch of clones of each other, dumbs down the game.
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Yurii Chan
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Posted - 2006.07.12 04:31:00 -
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Originally by: Murukan you should define skirmish. You pretty much described what a hac does. Strap a mwd on any hac and woohoo you can go fast. Vaga is just faster than the rest because that is it's role. Each hac is unique, would be lame to pile in a bunch of clones of each other, dumbs down the game.
QFT
as it stands, the hacs all represent their races. Amarr's zealot - (ok used to be) pure damage, some tank Cerb - missile spammer ishtar - drone ***** Vag - Hit n Run ambusher supremo.
wouldnt want every race getting exact copies...
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Valea Silpha
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Posted - 2006.07.12 04:58:00 -
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I'd like to see a kinda weird hybrid recon type thang... maybe based on some of FUNKEY hac hulls that never made it into the games ... anyone remeber the roden thorax in enyo red ... alarming but gorgeous :D.
I don't care that it would step on the vaga's toes... but come on, you all know you'd secretly love it. To hell with game balance... riding around in a baddass group of really fast not too punch ships just feeling quite pimp.
On a serious note... just give them very restricted slots and bonuses related to speed rather than damage. There you go .. its a widdle hot rod 3km/s and the punch of a rifter and i'd be happy, but i swear to god if minnies get shafted with a painter bonus ...
<Hammerhead> TomB is doing the nerfing <Hammerhead> I just stand behind him, look at his monitor and shake my head |
Foulis
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Posted - 2006.07.12 05:38:00 -
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Originally by: Yurii Chan
Originally by: Murukan you should define skirmish. You pretty much described what a hac does. Strap a mwd on any hac and woohoo you can go fast. Vaga is just faster than the rest because that is it's role. Each hac is unique, would be lame to pile in a bunch of clones of each other, dumbs down the game.
QFT
as it stands, the hacs all represent their races. Amarr's zealot - (ok used to be) pure damage, some tank Cerb - missile spammer ishtar - drone ***** Vag - Hit n Run ambusher supremo.
wouldnt want every race getting exact copies...
QFT
And if you'll notice every race has a semi-crap HAC.
Amarr - Sac Caldari - Eagle (though it's not too bad) Gallente - Deimos (Which I've heard quite a bit of whining) Min - Moomin (armor tanker with shield tanker resists ftl) ----
Cake > Pie - Imaran
Originally by: CCP Hammer Boobies
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Awox
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Posted - 2006.07.12 06:14:00 -
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Originally by: Foulis Min - Moomin (armor tanker with shield tanker resists ftl)
Just because it has 5 low slots it's a armor tanker now? *rollseyes* It's meant to be a sniper with the optimal range bonus so I would think it more useful to put damage mods and tracking mods in lows and a light shield tank in the mids, maybe a sensor booster.
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Kayl Breinhar
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Posted - 2006.07.12 06:56:00 -
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Technically, in Naval nomenclature, what you're describing is usually called a Battlecruiser (or a Heavy Cruiser), but that name's taken.
A "Light Cruiser" class between Destroyers and Cruisers might be advantageous, but I don't think we need another HAC-like vessel - if only to avoid hundreds of potential "nerf" threads. It's bad enough there are already HA*B*-like ships in the database threatening to rear their ultra-powerful heads sooner or later.
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Pan Zhu'Liang
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Posted - 2006.07.12 08:49:00 -
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this idea is great, but i think it should be a tech 2 destroyer instead of cruiser. then there's no worry about stepping on HAC toes. an interceptor like sig radius reduction is just what destroyers need.
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Zion Bazaar
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Posted - 2006.07.12 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Murukan you should define skirmish. You pretty much described what a hac does. Strap a mwd on any hac and woohoo you can go fast. Vaga is just faster than the rest because that is it's role. Each hac is unique, would be lame to pile in a bunch of clones of each other, dumbs down the game.
But the Vaga's "role" makes it able to do things no other ship in the game can do, solo roam and engage vastly superior forces. And, no you can just "strap a mwd on any hac" and achieve the same thing, you'll just be too slow.
Make them like the Stealth bombers in that one (in this case the Minmatar one) will be best. The Vaga's role is still there, Minmatar will just get the choice of the new light Skirmish Cruiser and the heavier hitting Vaga.
Think of these new ships as pirating/guerilla vessels based on the fighting style of the Vaga whilst hopefully being distinct.
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Jane Vladmir
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Posted - 2006.07.12 09:27:00 -
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I disapprove of ships which are made to do one thing. Back in the day ships were handed to us and we decided what we made of them. Now we're getting bonuses which pretty much force us to fit the ship according to its role. Give us ships, which we can fit to our approval. (More Typhoon-like ships)
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Audrea
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Posted - 2006.07.12 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Yurii Chan
Originally by: Murukan you should define skirmish. You pretty much described what a hac does. Strap a mwd on any hac and woohoo you can go fast. Vaga is just faster than the rest because that is it's role. Each hac is unique, would be lame to pile in a bunch of clones of each other, dumbs down the game.
QFT
as it stands, the hacs all represent their races. Amarr's zealot - (ok used to be) pure damage, some tank Cerb - missile spammer ishtar - drone ***** Vag - Hit n Run ambusher supremo.
wouldnt want every race getting exact copies...
Why do you think its goood? I alo want to have the abilities of the Stababbond as a Gallente pilot. its only fair. ------------------ If you are tired of fleet combat lag, post HERE
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Altai Saker
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Posted - 2006.07.12 10:24:00 -
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I'm thinking of training for a vaga... speed is really my playstyle... saving me the training time and introducing a fast amarr cruiser that can do ok damage sounds good to me :)
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