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RAIN Arthie
The Ascended Fleet Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2014.08.05 14:53:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:RAIN Arthie wrote:I don't think its the player, people harbor feelings for. I think it's the actions. QTF. They killed our stuff so now we are killing theirs. Stuff explodes, economic wheels turn, game stays interesting. It has nothing to do with personal grievances per s+¬, but with cause and effect. The people I 'hate' most are also those I respect most for their cunning. It's roleplay at best to attack them back. The people that annoy me on a personal level I'm quick to dismiss, I play for fun not to be an internet tough guy.
You can only speak for yourself. You are not everyone else, you are only you. |
Paranoid Loyd
1145
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Posted - 2014.08.05 15:42:00 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Grudge is the wrong word, conflict is the word you are looking for.
Conflict fuels Eve.
Grudges are for people that take their spacepixels too seriously. Well if you want to get technical man then grudges are what cause conflict and conflict is what causes content. My ultimate goal is create content so maybe I have a grudge or two of my own i'm acting on ;)
This is not true, you can have conflict without a grudge.
The point is a grudge has a personal feeling of ill will or resentment. This is not required to create content. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Paranoid Loyd
1145
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Posted - 2014.08.05 16:01:00 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote: Please elaborate on your generating content statement as surely awoxing and stealing is counter-productive when it comes to content creation.
WatGäó
Please give us your definition of content. You seem to be terribly misinformed. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5190
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Posted - 2014.08.05 16:15:00 -
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Grudges.... it would be so nice to play one up, a "revenge trip" of sorts. I have reasons. But there's a part of me that simply sees this as a game and it seems asinine to have a grudge or seek revenge for a loss or kill.
Maybe it's experience or age or both, but working myself up for a real world feeling in a virtual world just does not feel like it's possible any more. When I was rolling D20s at the age of 11 things were different. But that was a long time ago.
Or maybe it's real world expectation? Having experienced so much in real life how horribly fast things fall apart just when it feels like things are going good, there's no room left to feel it in a video game where such matter or result is designed into it?
Long ago I cleaned up the watch list, noted the gankers and pirates of olde who I made a note to "get revenge on". I looked them up - most of them are gone and the rest are sporting titles like "POS queen" now. It's a wonder if they feel like the "won" the game or not.
Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Jeremy Fischer1
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
6
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Posted - 2014.08.05 16:27:00 -
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Yeah, I can see the grudges on a larger scale just from living where I do in game and dealing with them. But on a personal level, no. I always have fun, specially when I'm in a fleet kicking Russian butt back to npc space where they belong =) Or the CVA/VOLT fleet from earlier today, nice try guys and come again.
EDIT Actually just thought of something, we had this cyno camper in system for like two weeks straight. Granny two shocks, despite him getting killed like twenty times he would always come back. That was pretty annoying, but even more fun killing him so I wouldn't really call it a grudge. But he's defiantly earned himself a place at the top of the kill list. |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1359
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Posted - 2014.08.05 18:29:00 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote:Xuixien wrote:I've held some grudges, and paid them all back in triplicate.
That said, today's reds are tomorrow's blues, and vice versa. If a grudge isn't generating content, then it's stupid and you should probably get over it. That's funny you say that, I remember you from last year and what I remember was that you pull a similar stunt to what goons do with their recruitment scam except 9 times out of 10 you awox as well as steal their ****. Please elaborate on your generating content statement as surely awoxing and stealing is counter-productive when it comes to content creation.
People wrote articles about me, contacted me for interviews, and were so inspired by my antics (either as victim or observer) that it led them to start their own "criminal lifestyle", or at least keep playing EVE because of the "interesting personalities you can meet". If that's not content then I don't know what is. Epic Space Cat |
Stoseph Stuarts
IIII Inc.
31
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Posted - 2014.08.05 18:53:00 -
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@ Xuixien .. you must be so famous everyone knows your name, oh wait I doubt many have heard of your name and I doubt anyone would care about you. Want to know why? .. what you do people only find interesting for a brief amount of time and only carry it on for so long. Also it would seem the articles on your 'antics' were not important enough to stand out from the many others out their about 'criminals'. |
Kelleth Kirk
Perkone Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2014.08.05 18:57:00 -
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I usually don't hold grudges, but there are a few things that annoys me in games, and if you annoy me, I will mark you as a terrible contact and will consider you "Kill On Sight!" Should I ever come across you with suspect status or if I see you in low or null, and I will make a point to hunting you down and making you watch as I blow your ship to pieces.
Love ya'll =D I am a none-violent person... Until I see a spider. Then I turn into Al Capone! And I want him DEAD! I want his family DEAD! And I want his house BURNED TO THE GROUND! |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
3066
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Posted - 2014.08.05 19:06:00 -
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It is not a grudge, but I would blow up Muctep Puma if I ever have a chance. He was the first to blow up me space pixels |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
619
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Posted - 2014.08.05 19:35:00 -
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John Ending wrote:its just a game man
Then why so many Non-Aggression Pacts amongst major sov holders in null sec? |
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Malcolm Shinhwa
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
2765
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Posted - 2014.08.05 19:41:00 -
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Without pretend enemies for made up reasons, what would be the point of EVE? Hopefully most of us understand the "pretend" part. IRL I'd have a beer with just about anyone in this game. If we're not supposed to shoot pods in hisec, why are they filled with meat? |
Marsha Mallow
1390
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Posted - 2014.08.05 19:43:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:John Ending wrote:its just a game man Then why so many Non-Aggression Pacts amongst major sov holders in null sec? Because the alternative is to de-NAP then attempt to grind through a squillion systems and see which coalition dies first of boredom. DON'T BE RIDICULOUS! |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1360
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Posted - 2014.08.05 19:51:00 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote:@ Xuixien .. you must be so famous everyone knows your name, oh wait I doubt many have heard of your name and I doubt anyone would care about you. Want to know why? .. what you do people only find interesting for a brief amount of time and only carry it on for so long. Also it would seem the articles on your 'antics' were not important enough to stand out from the many others out their about 'criminals'.
Well, you know my name, and what I've done in EVE... and I have no idea who you are, so...
I don't understand why you're so angry. Are you holding an EVE grudge? I never set out to become well-known. A small level of fame was never my goal. I was just playing the game the way I wanted to, and started seeing my name mentioned in blogs and people starting asking if they could interview me. I never thought what I did was that special, or in any way important. But it ended up touching people's lives in-game, inspiring some, and infuriating others. And for this, I am truly thankful. Very few games out there allow the Butterfly Effect ("sensitive dependence on initial conditions") the way EVE Online does. It's truly remarkable and blows my mind.
For example, I AWOX'd a corp on my alt, blowing up an Orca and a few mining ships. Later, I receive an EVEmail from one of my victims, explaining that they were mad at me at first, but that they were no longer bored with the game and no longer thinking about quitting it. Instead, they went to FW and are now an up and coming FC. My actions affected them, and inspired them to do something that is now affecting hundreds of other pilots. That's the Butterfly Effect and why I love this game. Epic Space Cat |
Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
272
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Posted - 2014.08.05 20:21:00 -
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You get over it eventually when you play long enough. I mean getting emotional over who you shoot or who you are allied with as if you are around long enough you end up allied with every possible powerblock and end up shooting everyone.
Grudges .. yeah .. you will collect some of these. But these are very personal things you hold dear. A corp theft involving personal betrayal, for example. Things that burn in you through the years even after the original culprit has long since quite the game after you hunting him for few years. Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1361
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Posted - 2014.08.05 20:33:00 -
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Carniflex wrote:You get over it eventually when you play long enough. I mean getting emotional over who you shoot or who you are allied with as if you are around long enough you end up allied with every possible powerblock and end up shooting everyone.
Grudges .. yeah .. you will collect some of these. But these are very personal things you hold dear. A corp theft involving personal betrayal, for example. Things that burn in you through the years even after the original culprit has long since quite the game after you hunting him for few years.
Nothing is as infuriating as stolen vengeance. Like an itch you can't scratch. Epic Space Cat |
Serene Repose
1471
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Posted - 2014.08.05 20:48:00 -
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To quote a very bad actor in almost as bad a role, from a movie that seemed really really good at first...but upon closer inspection and through the test of time...not so much:
"They hit us...so....we hit them back." I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1361
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Posted - 2014.08.05 21:10:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:What is of particular interest to mental health professionals is how the authors and adherents could possibly view themselves as people of any significance, except to one another [for whatever bizarre reasons that may be.)
Probably all the threadnaughts carebears post about them.
Epic Space Cat |
Serene Repose
1471
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Posted - 2014.08.05 21:25:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Serene Repose wrote:What is of particular interest to mental health professionals is how the authors and adherents could possibly view themselves as people of any significance, except to one another [for whatever bizarre reasons that may be.) Probably all the threadnaughts carebears post about them. We have sent this comment to the laboratory. Our specialists hope to make sense of it within the week.
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1361
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Posted - 2014.08.05 21:32:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Xuixien wrote:Serene Repose wrote:What is of particular interest to mental health professionals is how the authors and adherents could possibly view themselves as people of any significance, except to one another [for whatever bizarre reasons that may be.) Probably all the threadnaughts carebears post about them. We have sent this comment to the laboratory. Our specialists hope to make sense of it within the week.
The fact that they've gotten such a strong reaction from the mining/greater EVE community is the very definition of the word "significance". No need for a lab to analyze it. ;) Epic Space Cat |
Paranoid Loyd
1150
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Posted - 2014.08.05 21:40:00 -
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Stoseph, when are you going to man-up and defend your comments? "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
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Stoseph Stuarts
Draconian Geological Industries The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
31
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Posted - 2014.08.05 21:55:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Stoseph, when are you going to man-up and defend your comments? Sounds like you might be getting butthurt, I think i'm going to refrain from commenting incase further comments hurt you so much to the point where you form a grudge against me. Same goes for that WH dude, only reason I know of him was due to him to trying to scam me in the past (it didn't succeed either time). |
Paranoid Loyd
1152
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Posted - 2014.08.05 21:58:00 -
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I am not sure how you would perceive that I am butthurt especially considering my comments at the beginning of this thread.
I am particularly interested in your comment about how awoxing and corp theft is not content.
I realize you talked yourself into a corner and probably cant back your comments so I will take you refusal of reply as admitting you shouldn't have said it. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1361
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Posted - 2014.08.05 22:06:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:I am not sure how you would perceive that I am butthurt especially considering my comments at the beginning of this thread.
I am particularly interested in your comment about how awoxing and corp theft is not content.
I realize you talked yourself into a corner and probably cant back your comments so I will take you refusal of reply as admitting you shouldn't have said it.
I think he was trying to dismiss other people's playstyles as "invalid" or "not real content" as a knee-jerk reaction inspired by :feelings:, but when confronted realizes he put his foot in his mouth and is now resorting to "lolumad" level discourse. Epic Space Cat |
Stoseph Stuarts
Draconian Geological Industries The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
31
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Posted - 2014.08.05 22:06:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:I am not sure how you would perceive that I am butthurt especially considering my comments at the beginning of this thread.
I am particularly interested in your comment about how awoxing and corp theft is not content.
I realize you talked yourself into a corner and probably cant back your comments so I will take you refusal of reply as admitting you shouldn't have said it. ok then if you really want a reply I will reply to that comment from the WH dude. |
Paranoid Loyd
1152
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Posted - 2014.08.05 22:13:00 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:I am not sure how you would perceive that I am butthurt especially considering my comments at the beginning of this thread.
I am particularly interested in your comment about how awoxing and corp theft is not content.
I realize you talked yourself into a corner and probably cant back your comments so I will take you refusal of reply as admitting you shouldn't have said it. ok then if you really want a reply I will reply to that comment from the WH dude.
Comment retraction accepted. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Stoseph Stuarts
Draconian Geological Industries The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
31
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Posted - 2014.08.05 22:14:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote:@ Xuixien .. you must be so famous everyone knows your name, oh wait I doubt many have heard of your name and I doubt anyone would care about you. Want to know why? .. what you do people only find interesting for a brief amount of time and only carry it on for so long. Also it would seem the articles on your 'antics' were not important enough to stand out from the many others out their about 'criminals'. Well, you know my name, and what I've done in EVE... and I have no idea who you are, so... I don't understand why you're so angry. Are you holding an EVE grudge? I never set out to become well-known. A small level of fame was never my goal. I was just playing the game the way I wanted to, and started seeing my name mentioned in blogs and people asking if they could interview me. (I'm a terrible interview, BTW, I don't know how anyone can stand interviewing me lol). I never thought what I did was that special, or in any way important. But it ended up touching people's lives in-game, inspiring some, and infuriating others. And for this, I am truly thankful. Very few games out there allow the Butterfly Effect ("sensitive dependence on initial conditions") the way EVE Online does. It's truly remarkable and blows my mind. For example, I AWOX'd a corp on my alt, blowing up an Orca and a few mining ships. Later, I receive an EVEmail from one of my victims, explaining that they were mad at me at first, but that they were no longer bored with the game and no longer thinking about quitting it. Instead, they went to FW and are now an up and coming FC. My actions affected them, and inspired them to do something that is now affecting hundreds of other pilots. That's the Butterfly Effect and why I love this game. I know your name and your scamming because you have tried it on me in the past and failed twice, you made so much of an impression on me i'd not heard of you since then until you've commented on my thread.
If you don't mind I would like to see some links to some of these blog posts about you as frankly I've never heard of you outside of my personal experience with you. I highly doubt your gank on this corp you speak of drove this guy to become an FC. I will agree on the fact by tearing about his corp you drove this 1 guy to something he enjoys but what about the other members of this corp if they stopped playing I see that more of a negative outcome to content creation. In my eyes content creation is used for the good and to keep people playing the game, inspiring them to achieve greater things. Yes you did this for one person but again it was one person the others he flew with, do you know whats happened to them? |
Stoseph Stuarts
Draconian Geological Industries The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
31
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Posted - 2014.08.05 22:16:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:I am not sure how you would perceive that I am butthurt especially considering my comments at the beginning of this thread.
I am particularly interested in your comment about how awoxing and corp theft is not content.
I realize you talked yourself into a corner and probably cant back your comments so I will take you refusal of reply as admitting you shouldn't have said it. ok then if you really want a reply I will reply to that comment from the WH dude. Comment retraction accepted. Please think before you post in the future. I've just replied to him and you can see that response, the reason i'm taking a while to reply at the moment is that I am mapping out more moons and creating some kill mail content surrounding my findings. https://zkillboard.com/related/30002555/201408021800/ that kill report shows a fight which occurred over an R64 in Heimatar low sec. |
Paranoid Loyd
1153
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Posted - 2014.08.05 22:16:00 -
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Google is hard
http://www.touringneweden.net/category/interviews/xuixien/
http://touringneweden.blogspot.com/2013/06/an-interview-with-awoxer.html "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1361
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Posted - 2014.08.05 22:26:00 -
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I told ya, I'm a terrible interviewee. Someone from reddit just interviewed me the other day and I just rambled on and on my high pitched, nasally voice. I don't know how they managed to stand me for over an hour. I even requested that they transcribe the interview if they ever publish any of it, just to save me the embarrassment of people hearing me lol.
Stoseph Stuarts wrote:I highly doubt your gank on this corp you speak of drove this guy to become an FC.
Well, maybe he was lying in his mail to me, then.
Stoseph Stuarts wrote:Yes you did this for one person but again it was one person the others he flew with, do you know whats happened to them?
I do keep up on all my victims. I keep them on contact lists under a special label and follow up on what corps they're in and what they're doing. Surprisingly, only a few have quit. And many have abandoned boring solo PvE playstyles for more interactive group play.
Epic Space Cat |
Serene Repose
1471
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Posted - 2014.08.05 22:26:00 -
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Oh man! Such notable publications! *makes note* Next stop 60 Minutes!
Xuixien wrote:The fact that they've gotten such a strong reaction from the mining/greater EVE community is the very definition of the word "significance". No need for a lab to analyze it. ;) I'm so sorry I missed this. *taps low-level interest lamp* Nope. Everything's working just fine. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
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