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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.29 12:21:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:This is the most recent CCP response on the issue. So the 3PP is entirely accurate: it is not allowed, and they will use their discretion to hand out warnings and bans. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Angeal MacNova
LankTech Masters of Flying Objects
130
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Posted - 2014.07.29 12:31:00 -
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Lothras Andastar wrote:The TOS needs more Pssssssssssssh!
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Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
46
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Posted - 2014.07.29 12:36:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:This is the most recent CCP response on the issue. So the 3PP is entirely accurate: it is not allowed, and they will use their discretion to hand out warnings and bans. Did you even read the link I posted? It says:
CCP Peligro wrote:In the meantime, CCP confirms that we will only impose penalties on cache scraping if used in connection with other illegal activities in the game (i.e., botting). We will not take action against cache scraping for other uses. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1447
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Posted - 2014.07.29 12:38:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:This is the most recent CCP response on the issue. And it is obviously contradictory with what is written in the Third Party Policies. You mean the Third Party Policy revised five months AFTER that statement was issued. That therefore supersedes any previous rulings on cache scraping? That Third Party Policy is the one you are trying to claim is wrong? |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
46
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Posted - 2014.07.29 12:42:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:This is the most recent CCP response on the issue. And it is obviously contradictory with what is written in the Third Party Policies. You mean the Third Party Policy revised five months AFTER that statement was issued. That therefore supersedes any previous rulings on cache scraping? That Third Party Policy is the one you are trying to claim is wrong? There is no date at all on the Third Part Policy and the statement was issued after the date it references as the cutoff for cache scraping being against the rules. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5734
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Posted - 2014.07.29 12:55:00 -
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:popcorn: This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1447
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Posted - 2014.07.29 12:59:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote: There is no date at all on the Third Part Policy and the statement was issued after the date it references as the cutoff for cache scraping being against the rules.
Other than you know, the date at the bottom of the Terms of Service stating when all those policies were revised, and affirmed. But hey, guess reading to the bottom was too hard for you. |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
46
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Posted - 2014.07.29 13:03:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Derrick Miles wrote: There is no date at all on the Third Part Policy and the statement was issued after the date it references as the cutoff for cache scraping being against the rules.
Other than you know, the date at the bottom of the Terms of Service stating when all those policies were revised, and affirmed. But hey, guess reading to the bottom was too hard for you. The Third Party Policies are not the same as The Terms of Service. But hey, I guess clicking on links is too hard for you. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23516
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Posted - 2014.07.29 13:07:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:Tippia wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:This is the most recent CCP response on the issue. So the 3PP is entirely accurate: it is not allowed, and they will use their discretion to hand out warnings and bans. Did you even read the link I posted? Did you? If you did, have you tried rubbing two brain cells together to contemplate the vast difference between not imposing penalties (i.e. GÇ£it is not allowed, but we won't punish youGÇ¥) and allowing?
It says:CCP Peligro wrote:In the meantime, CCP confirms that we will only impose penalties on cache scraping if used in connection with other illegal activities in the game (i.e., botting). We will not take action against cache scraping for other uses. In other words, it is not allowed, and they will use their discretion to hand out warnings and bans. Let's compare this with the 3PP:
Third Party Policy wrote:Now that we have made our intent and policy clear, we may, in our sole discretion, deliver appropriate penalties for players that engage in cache scraping after 15 April 2013 (including temporary or permanent bans). In other words, it is not allowed, and they will use their discretion to hand out warnings and bans. Yes, that sure is a huge discrepancy there.
it's not rocket surgery. At no point have they said that it is allowed. They have only said that they will impose penalties at their discretion. They say this in the 3PP and they say this in the post you linked. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
196
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Posted - 2014.07.29 13:08:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:This is the most recent CCP response on the issue. And it is obviously contradictory with what is written in the Third Party Policies. You mean the Third Party Policy revised five months AFTER that statement was issued. That therefore supersedes any previous rulings on cache scraping? That Third Party Policy is the one you are trying to claim is wrong? There is no date at all on the Third Part Policy and the statement was issued after the date it references as the cutoff for cache scraping being against the rules.
Terms of Service, including the paragraph 9. C which is used for 3PP was "REVISED: 9 September, 2013", click link, wait page to load, press "End" on keyboard, read bottom up: http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-tos/ |
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Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
46
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Posted - 2014.07.29 13:13:00 -
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You know what, I give up. Never argue with idiots, they'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23518
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Posted - 2014.07.29 13:16:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:You know what, I give up. Never argue with idiots, they'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. And yet you failed to beat us in spite of your obvious vast experience at idiocy. I suppose we should thank you for not dragging us down to that level and instead accepting that no, the dev statement does not contradict the 3PP and the 3PP does either of those contradict the ToS.
In every case, the statement is the same: it is not allowed, but they will use their discretion in handing out warnings and bans.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
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CCP Falcon
7811
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Posted - 2014.07.29 13:41:00 -
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TL;DR?
Don't RMT, or the GM Team will spank you. Use best judgement and don't be dumb.
Long version?
Trading your in game stuff or ISK for out of game currency or services is bad, and the GM Team will spank you.
We make exceptions for this, such as people paying for killboard hosting, or commissioning other players for forum signatures or artwork, because these are services that are directly related to EVE Online and are something that enriches both the game and community.
It's a solid rule, but CCP will always use our own judgement and discretion on a case by case basis, the same as with every other aspect of our policies.
You guys are far too creative and way too clever for us to have a black and white, do or die policy. There needs to be some flexibility when dealing with edge cases and oddball situations that come up.
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2356
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Posted - 2014.07.29 13:45:00 -
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If I buy a beer in RL for somebody who gave me ISK in game when I had wallet hiccup... hmm, one can only wonder: how will Falcon know? :) Eve Online Overview Wizard: Forum thread Homepage
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Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
46
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Posted - 2014.07.29 13:47:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:TL;DR?
Don't RMT, or the GM Team will spank you. Use best judgement and don't be dumb.
Long version?
Trading your in game stuff or ISK for out of game currency or services is bad, and the GM Team will spank you.
We make exceptions for this, such as people paying for killboard hosting, or commissioning other players for forum signatures or artwork, because these are services that are directly related to EVE Online and are something that enriches both the game and community.
It's a solid rule, but CCP will always use our own judgement and discretion on a case by case basis, the same as with every other aspect of our policies.
You guys are far too creative and way too clever for us to have a black and white, do or die policy. There needs to be some flexibility when dealing with edge cases and oddball situations that come up.
Thanks for the response. Could you comment on whether cache scraping is allowed or not? |
Lister Dax
The Scope Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2014.07.29 13:51:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:TL;DR?
Don't RMT, or the GM Team will spank you. Use best judgement and don't be dumb.
Long version?
Trading your in game stuff or ISK for out of game currency or services is bad, and the GM Team will spank you.
We make exceptions for this, such as people paying for killboard hosting, or commissioning other players for forum signatures or artwork, because these are services that are directly related to EVE Online and are something that enriches both the game and community.
It's a solid rule, but CCP will always use our own judgement and discretion on a case by case basis, the same as with every other aspect of our policies.
You guys are far too creative and way too clever for us to have a black and white, do or die policy. There needs to be some flexibility when dealing with edge cases and oddball situations that come up.
Thanks for the response. Could you comment on whether cache scraping is allowed or not?
I would imagine it's along the same lines as the statement on RMTing. |
Anthar Thebess
616
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Posted - 2014.07.29 13:58:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:TL;DR?
Don't RMT, or the GM Team will spank you. Use best judgement and don't be dumb.
Long version?
Trading your in game stuff or ISK for out of game currency or services is bad, and the GM Team will spank you.
We make exceptions for this, such as people paying for killboard hosting, or commissioning other players for forum signatures or artwork, because these are services that are directly related to EVE Online and are something that enriches both the game and community.
It's a solid rule, but CCP will always use our own judgement and discretion on a case by case basis, the same as with every other aspect of our policies.
You guys are far too creative and way too clever for us to have a black and white, do or die policy. There needs to be some flexibility when dealing with edge cases and oddball situations that come up.
Thank you for your answer. Can you post this somewhere and have it pinned , so people will not have to search and base on post from few years ago?
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
50
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Posted - 2014.07.29 14:41:00 -
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does that satisfy you enough now to stop you trying to sabotage everyone elses businesses by crying RMT EVEALON Creative --áLogo Design | Killboard Banners | -áWeb Design | Website Graphics -á
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Lucky James Keefe
LUCKY Corp
0
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Posted - 2014.08.15 23:43:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:If I buy a beer in RL for somebody who gave me ISK in game when I had wallet hiccup... hmm, one can only wonder: how will Falcon know? :) so is it ok to buy stuff for cash? As opposed to selling? I suppose that makes the ***** the evil person. I mean CCP gets their money anyway what's the diff? I am thinkin they are trying to do their part to prevent money laundering and terrorist financial support networks. Well try this , I have some money and I am trying to play a for money game, with money. sheesh. Take my money but at least have the good grace to stay out of my pockets... |
Lucky James Keefe
LUCKY Corp
0
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Posted - 2014.08.15 23:47:00 -
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Lucky James Keefe wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:If I buy a beer in RL for somebody who gave me ISK in game when I had wallet hiccup... hmm, one can only wonder: how will Falcon know? :) so is it ok to buy stuff for cash? As opposed to selling? I suppose that makes the ***** the evil person. I mean CCP gets their money anyway what's the diff? I am thinkin they are trying to do their part to prevent money laundering and terrorist financial support networks. Well try this , I have some money and I am trying to play a for money game, with money. sheesh. Take my money but at least have the good grace to stay out of my pockets... those asterisks are not mine and are hiding an alternate word for a lady of the night...
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
787
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Posted - 2014.08.16 00:10:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote::popcorn: Lots of . Remove insurance. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5325
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Posted - 2014.08.16 02:19:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:TL;DR?
...GM Team will spank you...
Some of the people around here will need 2 spankings because they'll enjoy the first one.
Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2097
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Posted - 2014.08.16 03:20:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:This ought to be good. The last time they attempted to clarify the terms of service we were told that you can be banned for impersonating yourself.
I predict a lock, and you being told to file a ticket for it but to never tell anyone what the answer was.
I am here impersonating myself!
Come at me CCP. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1913
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Posted - 2014.08.16 03:38:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:TL;DR?
Don't RMT, or the GM Team will spank you. Use best judgement and don't be dumb.
Long version?
Trading your in game stuff or ISK for out of game currency or services is bad, and the GM Team will spank you.
We make exceptions for this, such as people paying for killboard hosting, or commissioning other players for forum signatures or artwork, because these are services that are directly related to EVE Online and are something that enriches both the game and community.
It's a solid rule, but CCP will always use our own judgement and discretion on a case by case basis, the same as with every other aspect of our policies.
You guys are far too creative and way too clever for us to have a black and white, do or die policy. There needs to be some flexibility when dealing with edge cases and oddball situations that come up.
so then its ok to buy my brothers vote for a plex? There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:
Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4176
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Posted - 2014.08.16 05:12:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:Tippia wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:Tell me how this quote from the Third Party Policies: Quote:Now that we have made our intent and policy clear, we may, in our sole discretion, deliver appropriate penalties for players that engage in cache scraping after 15 April 2013 (including temporary or permanent bans). isn't wrong. In what way is it wrong? Stating that cache scraping is not permitted and is a bannable offense doesn't strike you as wrong? You know that cache scraping is currently allowed?
Pay attention, and read the WHOLE thing, including the words, "in our sole discretion". Don't just interpret it the way you want to in order to create a manufactured controversy, ignoring important parts of the clause. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
1864
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Posted - 2014.08.16 05:22:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Pay attention, and read the WHOLE thing, including the words, "in our sole discretion". Don't just interpret it the way you want to in order to create a manufactured controversy, ignoring important parts of the clause. Gee, thanks for resurrecting this one.
Let me boil it down for you. CCP's third party policies says that cache scraping is not allowed and CCP Peligro says they won't do anything about it if you are cache scraping. |
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
298
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Posted - 2014.08.16 07:01:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:If I buy a beer in RL for somebody who gave me ISK in game when I had wallet hiccup... hmm, one can only wonder: how will Falcon know? :)
By doing that very loudly during a fanfest pub crawl ? |
Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
303
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Posted - 2014.08.16 09:32:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:Stating that cache scraping is not permitted and is a bannable offense doesn't strike you as wrong? No. As the rule says they may at their sole discretion deliver appropriate penalties. Just because they're using their discretion until proper CREST methods have been put in place does not mean it is allowed or that the policy is wrong. Quote:You know that cache scraping is currently allowed? Do you have a source for this? When Entity started the Reverence project, he asked CCP if cache scraping was allowed and they greenlighted it. It was a public post on the old forum, can't find it atm, but here is another CCP post blessing cache scraping. Later claiming that it has always been prohibited is unprofessional of CCP, at least.
CREST now has price data, but it is largely useless, for several reasons: - They are globaly averaged values with a large moving window that deviate significantly from what you see in the market hubs - No info on volume, transactions, spread, or actual orders. Without this, you can't even near to estimate what realistic sell or buy prices are.
The only utility they bring is that they are required to compute the install cost of industrial activities. iveeCore: PHP library for calculation of industrial activities, now with Crius support |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23911
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Posted - 2014.08.16 22:30:00 -
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Was it really necessary to necro this thread?
Aineko Macx wrote:When Entity started the Reverence project, he asked CCP if cache scraping was allowed and they greenlighted it. In this blogpost theres a quote of Entity stating that his code was reviewed by CCP and here is another CCP post blessing cache scraping. Later claiming that it has always been prohibited is unprofessional of CCP, at least. No, it's not. Policies change, especially in response to developments in how far those policies are being stretched. They communicated this change very loudly, publicly, and clearly. GÇ£UnprofessionalGÇ¥ would have been to ignore the stretching and/or to not communicate anything.
And those posts and the references within them are all months or even years older than the revised policy, so they certainly don't show that it is currently allowed. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Serene Repose
1511
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Posted - 2014.08.17 03:40:00 -
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Enforceable? If my "mate" washes my car for ISK, how the hell would anyone know? "Laws that aren't enforceable make ridiculous a judicial system." - Some Smart Guy -
It's rather dumb, actually, to forgo cash payment for ISK when some of that cash can buy PLEX. The rest of it can buy a six pack of beer and other amenities. *spliff*
(Posting on yet another ridiculous GD thread. MA! Call the fire department! They may be bored!) I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
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