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Tobias Sjodin
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Posted - 2006.06.29 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 29/06/2006 19:41:25
Is there a way for a skilled Caracal pilot to take out a Thorax in 1v1, if both the pilots know what they're doing?
If so, how would you have fitted the Caracal?
Gallente-pilot in this hypothetical scenario has 10 mil SP, and so does the Caracal-pilot.
(edit: Scenario II: If none of them used ECM?)
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.29 19:42:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 29/06/2006 19:43:08
ecm.
EDIT: Yes for Caldari. ECM is a Caldari thing. We cant tackle nor tank. So hush hush.
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R31D
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Posted - 2006.06.29 19:48:00 -
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Caracal could specifically tank Kin/Therm as that is the main damage the Thorax will do, whereas a Thorax cannot tank as specifically due to the Caracal's missiles ability to do any type of damage.
It would depend purely on the setup styles in the end. Gank Thorax will win. Tank Thorax will lose (or will have more problems at least).
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Alzion
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Posted - 2006.06.29 20:21:00 -
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generic way to screw over a thorax: 2x web.
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mr h4ppy
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Posted - 2006.06.29 22:01:00 -
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Edited by: mr h4ppy on 29/06/2006 22:02:06
Originally by: R31D
Caracal could specifically tank Kin/Therm as that is the main damage the Thorax will do, whereas a Thorax cannot tank as specifically due to the Caracal's missiles ability to do any type of damage.
It would depend purely on the setup styles in the end. Gank Thorax will win. Tank Thorax will lose (or will have more problems at least).
**SNIP** EDIT. I never read the post, just ignore me
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Samirol
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Posted - 2006.06.29 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 29/06/2006 19:41:25
Is there a way for a skilled Caracal pilot to take out a Thorax in 1v1, if both the pilots know what they're doing?
If so, how would you have fitted the Caracal?
Gallente-pilot in this hypothetical scenario has 10 mil SP, and so does the Caracal-pilot.
(edit: Scenario II: If none of them used ECM?)
Hmm...I am a hypothetical gallente pilot with about 10 mil sp...
fit ecm and hope for the best basically
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madaluap
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Posted - 2006.06.29 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 29/06/2006 22:25:53
lol everyone knows the best setup...right?
Try and search for this Fix guy, i think you know who i mean.
He will tell you something about 2X L shielextender and using invulshields with that, allthough kin/therm would be better. I think you end up with around 8600 shield
Ecm is ghey, try to avoid using it.
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Tobias Sjodin
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Posted - 2006.06.30 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Edited by: madaluap on 29/06/2006 22:25:53
lol everyone knows the best setup...right?
Try and search for this Fix guy, i think you know who i mean.
He will tell you something about 2X L shielextender and using invulshields with that, allthough kin/therm would be better. I think you end up with around 8600 shield
Ecm is ghey, try to avoid using it.
8600? How?, Caracal has a standard shield HP of 1250, Large T2 SE gives you 2100HP each (1250+2100+2100=5450).
A bit more with PDSII's, but I'd like to know the full fitting for 8600 shield.
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Testicular Testes
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Posted - 2006.06.30 01:41:00 -
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*1.25 for skills. Still way off the 8600 figure (even with PDU IIs), but it's close enough that we can ignore the embellishing :p
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fkingfurious
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Posted - 2006.06.30 01:43:00 -
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U get so much from the crazy stacking.
Base shield + 2 extenders = like 5500 shield.
1 pds t2 gives 5% which makes 5750.
The 2nd pds gives 5% of that which makes 6200.
Shield management 5 is 25% of that = 7700.
Implants are worth another 5%.
My maths is rubbish but u see what im getting at.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.30 02:00:00 -
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5x heavy launcher II
2x shield extender II
1x thermal hardener, 1x kinetic hardener, 1x EM hardener (for his drones)
1x BCS, 1x RCU II
With furies, an automatic win for the Caracal, basically.
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Necro Max
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Posted - 2006.06.30 02:04:00 -
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If you dont have to hold the Rax in place
5x Heavy launcher 2's
10MN MWD 2, Large Shield booster, Therm and Kenetic hardner, Med Cap Injector
Local Nano's
Just kite him there is no way he can catch you before you kill him
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.06.30 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
5x heavy launcher II
2x shield extender II
1x thermal hardener, 1x kinetic hardener, 1x EM hardener (for his drones)
1x BCS, 1x RCU II
With furies, an automatic win for the Caracal, basically.
Even without furies you're going to win if they have to close alot of distance.
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.06.30 03:07:00 -
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well id hope no Blasterax pilot would ever try to fight a caracal if the caracal warped in at like 100km away or more. considering if each player had maxed skills for that ship the caracal would have atleast 3 vollies off before the THorax was in range(and the MWD on the thorax would make the missles see it as a battleship sized target).
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Tobias Sjodin
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Posted - 2006.06.30 04:28:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
well id hope no Blasterax pilot would ever try to fight a caracal if the caracal warped in at like 100km away or more. considering if each player had maxed skills for that ship the caracal would have atleast 3 vollies off before the THorax was in range(and the MWD on the thorax would make the missles see it as a battleship sized target).
I think I said in the initial post that both pilots knew what they were doing.
Narrowed down, it's about ship strengths vs. weaknesses.
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Kyguard
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Posted - 2006.06.30 05:14:00 -
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If caracal and thorax start at 20km away from each other, my rax setup against DS's for example would prevail. It's all about how you fit the rax, if you fit the standard plate and small guns, you will lose. However, I haven't faced that many caracals, but I'm confident from what I have faced. 
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.06.30 07:10:00 -
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I'd asssume 2x webs at 10km, and just orbit there would be a win for the caracal.
Either that, or try the 10mn MWD II, + remote sensor dampeners, and try to stay out of their rather unimpressive range that point. You'll probably need some Nanos or overdrives to maintain speed though.
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Hugh Ruka
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Posted - 2006.06.30 07:15:00 -
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web, scram, 3 gallente racial jammers ...
if you go tank with 2 large extenders, I'd go with t2 rocket launchers and rage rockets ...
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DoMxj
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Alzion
generic way to screw over a thorax: 2x web.
I will have to agree 2xweb is the best way to go so u will only
have to tank his drones. If thorax pilot hits u with both drones and ful load
weapons i dont think u can tank him long enough to kill him (if both pilots have equal skills) since thorax can also put up a very good tank.
U could also go with ecm but thats no fun now is it.
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:44:00 -
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mwd+nanos and cap injector and stay out of web range?
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:37:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 30/06/2006 09:38:04
Originally by: Kyguard
If caracal and thorax start at 20km away from each other, my rax setup against DS's for example would prevail. It's all about how you fit the rax, if you fit the standard plate and small guns, you will lose. However, I haven't faced that many caracals, but I'm confident from what I have faced.
What setup do you use?
I have never lost versus a thorax, not even close. I've been beaten by a platerupture with hardeners and a platemaller, but not by a platerax or a gankrax. I even fought a rax with Heavy Electron IIs and void and I took it out.
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Arthur McFredric
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Posted - 2006.06.30 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 30/06/2006 09:38:04
Originally by: Kyguard
If caracal and thorax start at 20km away from each other, my rax setup against DS's for example would prevail. It's all about how you fit the rax, if you fit the standard plate and small guns, you will lose. However, I haven't faced that many caracals, but I'm confident from what I have faced.
What setup do you use?
I have never lost versus a thorax, not even close. I've been beaten by a platerupture with hardeners and a platemaller, but not by a platerax or a gankrax. I even fought a rax with Heavy Electron IIs and void and I took it out.
Tell me how, please do
Like jenny so cleverly pointed out, the paper-caracal cant tackle at all. Believe me, I`ve tried
You actually say that dual extender II, webbie, scram and what? invul II? should cut it?
I need to at least fit 1 BCU II to make some decent damage...
My first ever loss was my caracal to a local pirate-rax... kinda dread that incident...
However, I killed a rax the other day... it engaged me at 55-60ish km and I ab-ed away while launching heavies... died just after it had scrammed me... he musta been drunk!
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Michayel Lyon
Gallente Mercantile Exchange
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Posted - 2006.07.24 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
5x heavy launcher II
2x shield extender II
1x thermal hardener, 1x kinetic hardener, 1x EM hardener (for his drones)
1x BCS, 1x RCU II
With furies, an automatic win for the Caracal, basically.
You seem very confident in your setup, yet I see no tackling capabilities. Exactly how do you define "winning"?
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Brother Tycho
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.24 15:45:00 -
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you sure you got the grid and cpu for all that t2 iv played with setups on the caracal with maxed out fitting skills and never been able to shoe horn that much t2 to a caracal.
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Nyuuu
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Posted - 2006.07.24 16:28:00 -
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5 t2 drones>caracal...
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ChaosCow PSA
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.24 16:35:00 -
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I fly both thorax and caracal, and while the caracal is my favorite, mainly becuase of it's close and long range capabilities, the rax wins hands down on the caracal. If you're pvping with 20km scramblers, i dunno who carries 2 webs on a cruiser....or who carries 3 gallente specific jammers.....might as well say 3 caldari jammers on the rax : /. Once the rax gets a hold of the caracal it dont last long no matter what kinda tank you think you have. even if you had him webbed at range, 5x t2 medium drones will fawk up a caracal
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Kilo Paskaa
Beer and Kebabs
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.24 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: Kilo Paskaa on 24/07/2006 17:04:38
Originally by: Dark Shikari
5x heavy launcher II
2x shield extender II
1x thermal hardener, 1x kinetic hardener, 1x EM hardener (for his drones)
1x BCS, 1x RCU II
With furies, an automatic win for the Caracal, basically.
Gosh you use expensive setups  . I would&ve used tracking disruptors instead of hardeners and mwd to keep range reasonable. Or just run like a girl 
Edit: oh and named launchers. Cheap of course 
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Moornblade
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Posted - 2006.07.24 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Nyuuu
5 t2 drones>caracal...
Or, for that matter, ECM drones, or Sensor disruptor drones.
A thorax can carry 5 Hammerhead SD-600's; That's a 76% reduction to targeting range, which reduces the caracal's default targeting range to 13.92 km. That's just slightly over double blaster optimal range.
Even an SB T2 doesn't counter that 100%. And of course the mid-sized ECM drones give you 1.5 strength each, which is pretty nice. 7.5 combined ECM (multispectral!) strength will give you a ~50% or so chance to jam every cycle. Even cooler, because the drones fire their ECM off individually, you'll actually get a 10% chance to jam five times each 20 seconds or so.
Or, even cooler, you can carry 5 light T2 drones and 5 light ECM drones, strength 1 each. That gives you a 33% chance of jamming the caracal every cycle, and when you get close you can pull the scout drones out for extra damage.
Or, you could carry 5 light ECM drones, and 5 light sensor dampners. This'll give you either a 33% chance to jam per cycle, or a 58% reduction in targeting range.
People forget that Gallente ships are ALL balanced around drone usage. Of course, if the Thorax still had its cavernous 2000 m3 drone bay; you could only imagine the carnage of 5 heavy ECM drones, 5 heavy web drones, 5 heavy sensor dampners..... yikes.
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Paper Airplane
Aurum Technologies Limited
Novus Ordos Seclorum
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Posted - 2006.07.24 17:55:00 -
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assuming thorax mids are mwd, web, scram and starting distance is 20km (otherwise rax pilot will just warp away):
the caracal will need to have a 20km scram. I would also fit a web and ab/mwd. Beyond that 2x ECM, or tracking disrupters or sensor damps.
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Jerick Ludhowe
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.07.24 18:15:00 -
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If the Caracal is not using ECM I would put my money on the Thorax. Thorax just outputs too much dps once it gets withing optimal (2,000m with engines turned off). I have fought a number of heavily tanked Caracals with my Thorax and from personal experiance they just don't hold up against void for long.
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