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Devoyd
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.02 17:14:00 -
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There has always been an issue with killmails across the various 3rd party killboards; this used to stem from the way the API acknowledged fetch requests. This caused inconsistency between the various killboards. Why should anybody care? I for one like various features from a number of boards. There is no one board that meets all my needs. I used to mitigate the discrepancies by manually posting the killmails for those missing in either board. Now with the new CREST killmails only the "External Link" is allowed for verification purposes. This now breaks the common manual post fix since being on a killmail does not guarantee you the external link, only the final blow does. I propose and easy fix; why not include an additional tab, along with the current "your kills" and "your losses"? This tab would be "involved kills" or "participation kills" that would include all killmails you were directly involved on but did not land the final blow. In this fashion you can simply copy the external link and post to whichever board you see fit regardless of who received the original killmail. Thoughts? |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
3320
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Posted - 2014.07.03 10:46:00 -
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That would require a pretty major rewrite on our part, it's just not how we store killmails on our end.
I don't get how the CREST thing has broken this though. Can you explain that more please? CCP FoxFour // Game Designer // @regnerba
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Darkblad
Hilfe is like free Entertainment
305
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Posted - 2014.07.03 11:05:00 -
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Killboards started to switch to no longer accept the old plain text killmails. They will only accept the external kill links. This is no issue for CREST verified kills on e.g. zKillboard (where you get that link by clicking the green "CREST verified" text). Other killboards may not offer that functionality, and kills labeled "API verified" also don't provide the link.
EDIT: It's rather an issue with the maintainers of said killboards, though the intentions (e.g. avoiding fake kills) are good. EVE Infolinks -+-áOld and new-áPortraits |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
3321
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Posted - 2014.07.03 12:15:00 -
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Darkblad wrote:Killboards started to switch to no longer accept the old plain text killmails. They will only accept the external kill links. This is no issue for CREST verified kills on e.g. zKillboard (where you get that link by clicking the green "CREST verified" text). Other killboards may not offer that functionality, and kills labeled "API verified" also don't provide the link.
EDIT: It's rather an issue with the maintainers of said killboards, though the intentions (e.g. avoiding fake kills) are good.
Ah, OK. CCP FoxFour // Game Designer // @regnerba
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MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
350
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Posted - 2014.07.03 13:43:00 -
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Rather than change the way that killmails are stored, can you add a button (so the feature is "on demand") in the client that queries the killmails for all where the current character is a participant? The results would need to have the links obviously.
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Devoyd
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.03 14:16:00 -
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Let me clear this up a bit with an example:
Three different pilots encounter each other on a gate, and a fight ensues. Obviously the opportunists gang up on the weak ship before taking each other on. Only one of them will get the killmail in their character sheet for landing the last blow on said ship. These two pilots use different billboards to post their KM's and do not know each other. Without explicitly convoying or evemailing him asking for the external link, the other pilot will not have the means to have the kill registered in his particular killboard. Why can't the first pilot have a log of the kill in his character sheet for being on the killmail? It's the same kill-id is it not? Instead of pushing the KM to just the final blow pilot, why can't it get pushed out to both?
Thanks, Devoyd |
Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
430
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Posted - 2014.07.03 15:53:00 -
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Good suggestion, but not related to crest kb or kb owners removing posibility of plain km posting. In said scenario you would still need to contact the guy for the plain text version.
Still would love a way to see km's for where my corpmates only participated and have them in km api Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff? |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
3327
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Posted - 2014.07.04 11:50:00 -
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When I say it would require a pretty major refactor of our killmail system it's because I mean it. The DB stores for a specific killmail: killID, finalBlowCharacter, victim, and a blob of information for the rest of the info. To get all killmails you have been a part of we would have to parse the contents of that blob for EVERY killmail. Thats not happening until we refactor killmails.
Just convince all your killboard devs to expose the CREST link for killmails posted via CREST, that will be the best option for now. That and convoing/asking for the kill report in the client to get the CREST link yourself. CCP FoxFour // Game Designer // @regnerba
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2098
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Posted - 2014.07.04 12:07:00 -
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Aren't blobs in db fields awesome? :) I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
827
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Posted - 2014.07.04 12:18:00 -
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Create a relation table with a list of character ID's that stores the ID's of the people on the kill. Fill the table as people are added to the kill before the kill happens, when the ID is exposed in the code, and change finalBlowCharacter to point to the relation table instead. Solves this issue and we can go on killmails even if the ship gets killed on the other side of the gate.
How hard could it be? ;) |
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Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
827
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Posted - 2014.07.04 12:22:00 -
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On a totally unrelated note, how annoying is it that half of eve players are developers and come up with smartass solutions to problems? |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
3327
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Posted - 2014.07.04 12:23:00 -
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Hannott Thanos wrote:On a totally unrelated note, how annoying is it that half of eve players are developers and come up with smartass solutions to problems?
It's more comical than anything. :P CCP FoxFour // Game Designer // @regnerba
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2725
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Posted - 2014.07.04 13:11:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Hannott Thanos wrote:On a totally unrelated note, how annoying is it that half of eve players are developers and come up with smartass solutions to problems? It's more comical than anything. :P
on an even more unrelated node, more information like "first aggressor, first tackle, etc" would be awesome. And to finish completely off topic: when will all hulls have costs associated with them? eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables
2462
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Posted - 2014.07.04 13:16:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Aren't blobs in db fields awesome? :)
Blobs in databases are like root canals. Painful to deal with, but occasionally necessary. MAMBA is recruiting. -áWhen other folks are whining about a lack of content, we go out and create it. The case of Shrodinger's Hotdropper |
De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables
2463
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Posted - 2014.07.04 13:18:00 -
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Hannott Thanos wrote:Create a relation table with a list of character ID's that stores the ID's of the people on the kill. Fill the table as people are added to the kill before the kill happens, when the ID is exposed in the code, and change finalBlowCharacter to point to the relation table instead. Solves this issue and we can go on killmails even if the ship gets killed on the other side of the gate.
How hard could it be? ;)
where i work, any coding solution that ends with the phrase "How hard could it be" is automatically discarded, and the person who suggested it is put on user support calls for a week as punishment.
Here is your headset and telephone...have a good week. MAMBA is recruiting. -áWhen other folks are whining about a lack of content, we go out and create it. The case of Shrodinger's Hotdropper |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1137
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Posted - 2014.07.04 13:38:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Hannott Thanos wrote:Create a relation table with a list of character ID's that stores the ID's of the people on the kill. Fill the table as people are added to the kill before the kill happens, when the ID is exposed in the code, and change finalBlowCharacter to point to the relation table instead. Solves this issue and we can go on killmails even if the ship gets killed on the other side of the gate.
How hard could it be? ;) where i work, any coding solution that ends with the phrase "How hard could it be" is automatically discarded, and the person who suggested it is put on user support calls for a week as punishment. Here is your headset and telephone...have a good week.
I use that question in a legitimate way sometime. I don't wanna do call center job plz. |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2399
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Posted - 2014.07.04 13:57:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:... until we refactor killmails.
If you guys are gonna be refactoring them anyway, can we please get logibro stats too (e.g. Most damage repp'd)?
Logibros around the galaxy will love you forever. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Suddenly Frigates Reconstructed Criticism
118
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Posted - 2014.07.04 14:28:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:... until we refactor killmails. If you guys are gonna be refactoring them anyway, can we please get logibro stats too (e.g. Most damage repp'd)? Logibros around the galaxy will love you forever.
or atleast all logis on the km's without ***** drones |
Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
254
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Posted - 2014.07.04 18:39:00 -
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Links. They need to be on mail as well. The effect is significant and all these 'solo' PvP guys have couple. Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
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