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Mithandra
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
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Posted - 2014.07.02 08:49:00 -
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Steve Celeste wrote:THCS wrote:The inflated plexs price is putting a serious clamp on people's budget Eve is NOT free to play. If you can't afford it, you can't play it.
Once again.
This pretty much
Can we stop with the stealth "reduce plex prices" threads please
end game my hairy rotund derriere. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1341
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Posted - 2014.07.02 08:55:00 -
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Perhaps the OP should sell his cap and buy a ride more appropriate to his wallet. |
Baron Chauman
Gladiators of Rage Fidelas Constans
14
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Posted - 2014.07.02 09:12:00 -
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Deebo Singleton wrote:The current price of PLEX is a reflection of the fact that making isk is easier and demand for them is higher than ever. Therefor you're competing with other irl poors for all those "I gotcha bro," tickets in the market.
Except this isn't quite true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2hsqEvPGWQ CCP basically confirmed during the economics presentation that the plex price increase is due to speculation/hoarding rather than user demand. It's not other "poors" you are competing with, but rather with people who have too much isk who can't find anything better to do with it than buy plex, since this is considered a relatively safe investment.
Those get even richer, and everyone who relies on grinding for x plex every month either get poorer, have to grind even more or quit/unsub a couple alts. Capitalism working as it should. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
893
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Posted - 2014.07.02 09:24:00 -
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Baron Chauman wrote:Deebo Singleton wrote:The current price of PLEX is a reflection of the fact that making isk is easier and demand for them is higher than ever. Therefor you're competing with other irl poors for all those "I gotcha bro," tickets in the market. Except this isn't quite true. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2hsqEvPGWQCCP basically confirmed during the economics presentation that the plex price increase is due to speculation/hoarding rather than user demand. It's not other "poors" you are competing with, but rather with people who have too much isk who can't find anything better to do with it than buy plex, since this is considered a relatively safe investment. Those get even richer, and everyone who relies on grinding for x plex every month either get poorer, have to grind even more or quit/unsub a couple alts. Capitalism simulator operating as intended. I agree PLEX speculation/hoarding probably does more harm than good to the game as a whole.
CCP could consider limiting PLEX possession to, say, 12 per character. Not sure if that would f*k up things even worse, though. |
Grunanca
Doughboys Overload Everything
267
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Posted - 2014.07.02 09:35:00 -
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THCS wrote:Sup all,
I want to start a discussion on Eve endgame and the cost of eve in terms of plex, time and RL $...
The inflated plexs price is putting a serious clamp on people's budget and I feel it kind of alienating the old veterans who are trying to enjoy end-game content and have loads of high-value capitals at risk. As a semi-casual player and full-time worker that doesn't want to play $540/ year or 480 hrs of my time just to keep a float in eve, its pretty hard to keep up with and enjoy eve content.
Playing eve has gotten pretty expensive for a 100+ mil SP /super/ and cap toon and doesn't seem to be slowing down.
Lets face it: Owning capitals capitals requires support toons. Players who don't want to shell out $15-20 a month need to buy plexs in game to support their capitals and accounts. With the increased cost of plexs recently, I don't think Capital pilots can sustain their accounts for long without eating into their ISK or RL savings or taking out a loads of time out of RL to put toward grinding for isk.
Lets do the math shall we? An average player plays 10-20 hrs a week and owns 2-3 accounts in eve; at current plex sell and buy order bids, that's 2.2 bil isk a month to keep them active. An average pilot makes roughly 60-100 mil/hr from ratting. To earn a plex, it takes 7-12 hrs to plex one account. That's on average 36 hrs of play time to pay off just the plex for subscription and also does not include operating costs and risk of ship loss.
My rough estimate is that it takes 40 hrs of grinding to pay off one's sub for 3 accounts. That's 3 weeks of free continuously effort we have to put towards eve!!
Idk, I kinda want eve developers to bring price of plexs down because this inflation trend is really putty a strain on my RL time and In-game budget. Do any of you Eve Vets share the same sentiment?
Move out of Africa and find a job that pays minimum wage. That way you wont have to use your real savings to pay for an account. Also, what you are complaining about is what you can do with 3 accounts in high sec. Why should you be allowed to pay for your game with minimal effort? You do know, that is exactely why the plex price is skyrocketing? The more people that can afford plexes with casual play, the less people will buy plexes and the price goes up.
I can recommend wormholes, level 5 missions or 0.0 plexing. All of these activities can be done solo with some effort and balls, all while giving a minimum yield of 200 mil per hour if done right, even more if done good.
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2047
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Posted - 2014.07.02 09:35:00 -
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Geezus, Alex, let me hoard in peace. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Solecist Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
2517
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Posted - 2014.07.02 09:57:00 -
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I congratulate you receiving the award of ...
Stupid troll, with people stupider than you falling for it.
My current portrait: http://imgur.com/a/q6zRU#10 Sol.freeform: http://imgur.com/a/eFlYD Hey CCP fix your server please! :p
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Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
1312
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Posted - 2014.07.02 10:49:00 -
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THCS wrote:Sup all,
I want to start a discussion on Eve endgame and the cost of eve in terms of plex, time and RL $...
The inflated plexs price is putting a serious clamp on people's budget and I feel it kind of alienating the old veterans who are trying to enjoy end-game content and have loads of high-value capitals at risk. As a semi-casual player and full-time worker that doesn't want to play $540/ year or 480 hrs of my time just to keep a float in eve, its pretty hard to keep up with and enjoy eve content.
Playing eve has gotten pretty expensive for a 100+ mil SP /super/ and cap toon and doesn't seem to be slowing down.
Lets face it: Owning capitals capitals requires support toons. Players who don't want to shell out $15-20 a month need to buy plexs in game to support their capitals and accounts. With the increased cost of plexs recently, I don't think Capital pilots can sustain their accounts for long without eating into their ISK or RL savings or taking out a loads of time out of RL to put toward grinding for isk.
Lets do the math shall we? An average player plays 10-20 hrs a week and owns 2-3 accounts in eve; at current plex sell and buy order bids, that's 2.2 bil isk a month to keep them active. An average pilot makes roughly 60-100 mil/hr from ratting. To earn a plex, it takes 7-12 hrs to plex one account. That's on average 36 hrs of play time to pay off just the plex for subscription and also does not include operating costs and risk of ship loss.
My rough estimate is that it takes 40 hrs of grinding to pay off one's sub for 3 accounts. That's 3 weeks of free continuously effort we have to put towards eve!!
Idk, I kinda want eve developers to bring price of plexs down because this inflation trend is really putty a strain on my RL time and In-game budget. Do any of you Eve Vets share the same sentiment?
Don't worry, you can join INK instead and be a subhuman meatshield slave. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6208
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Posted - 2014.07.02 10:52:00 -
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Baron Chauman wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2hsqEvPGWQ CCP basically confirmed during the economics presentation that the plex price increase is due to speculation/hoarding rather than user demand. It's not other "poors" you are competing with, but rather with people who have too much isk who can't find anything better to do with it than buy plex, since this is considered a relatively safe investment.
Those get even richer, and everyone who relies on grinding for x plex every month either get poorer, have to grind even more or quit/unsub a couple alts. Capitalism simulator operating as intended. Man, I gotta buy more plex... ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Yishna Strone
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
2
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Posted - 2014.07.02 11:03:00 -
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....You're complaining about having to pay $540 a year? Seriously? As someone has pointed out, that works out to $1.48 a day...If you can't afford to play, maybe you should get a higher paying job?
Heck even in my country macdonalds pays $5 an hour. |
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DeadDuck
Macabre Votum Northern Coalition.
76
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Posted - 2014.07.02 11:27:00 -
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Hey comrade,
It's a game, so your 1st purpose playing eve online is having fun. If playing the "end game" is starting to be stressing maybe you should adapt your playing time and style to your confort zone.
Thats what I do. I have an account capable of of flying several capital and super capital ships and I dont even think in owning a Super Cap due to some of the issues you referred to on your post.
a) I dont want to spend 2563 hours grinding for isks to pay for acount subscriptions b) I dont want to spend my RL money in more accounts c) I dont want to spend hours of my play time doing things that I don't like or become a "EVE Professional"
So I adapt my play time to what I can afford/want to fly, and that's all. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2050
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Posted - 2014.07.02 11:29:00 -
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DeadDuck, GTFO with your logic and common sense! I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Titania Hrothgar
Nemesis Retribution No Excuse.
76
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Posted - 2014.07.02 11:38:00 -
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I have one account. On that account, I have one pilot. I intend to keep it that way. Anything that I cannot achieve by playing this one toon will not be achieved.
I think it's silly to have multiple accounts. Anyone complaining about how much ISK it costs to fuel their multiple accounts needs to rethink their playing style. Maybe you have too many accounts. And for those sitting on trillions of ISK and near 20 accounts, well, good for you. Sounds really BORING to me to control 18 accounts just to mine every single day in High Sec. Good job. If you were that dedicated to doing menial work in real life, you'd be rich there as well and perhaps you are. I'll pass however.
I run a Fleet Issue Hurricane in null sec on my toon. Ever since I started playing this game, everyone told me that I could make a thousand times the ISK in null that I could make in high. This isn't true. I'm in null now and all I can manage is a fraction of what I used to make. Null offers a lot of things, but money isn't one of them. It's still fun, risky, and entertaining, but it's warp paths aren't paved with gold.
Here's why: I don't have a corp that specializes in mining. Mining is where the money is and frankly, if you have a mining barge, you can make just as much money in High as you can in Low. My Hurricane can barely handle the easiest anomaly in Low and as such, I'm unable to loot because the waves continue to pour forth. Without a battleship, you can't get ahead enough to loot. I don't have a mining barge currently, nor someone to sit there and guard the vulnerable ship from rats while I do mine and I'm not going to train up an alt for it. I'm really close to being able to fly a battleship and so my money will improve, but it will never equal what someone with multiple accounts can earn by mining in High Sec.
The real pain in Null is that you cannot sell your "loot" without flying back to High which requires the corp to use jump ships. It's such a pain that it takes scheduled trips which slows things down. Also, the Empire in which they jump considers me a criminal. It's my curse for being the only Mimnitar pilot in the group. I'll never leave this corp however. These guys are awesome! I love them!
My point is, if you have alts, you can do whatever you want because you have your own corp that will do whatever you want because they're all your accounts. When this happens, you can mine every single day and immediately fly to a refinery, or simply sell your ore and you have instant ISK and PLEX to keep yourself going. In High Sec, it's all about ease and convenience.
Those that insist that Low provides ISK opportunities have it wrong. It's all about high Sec. Null is simply more fun! Hell, even running Level 3's in high was fast because I could fly to a starbase, repair, recharge my shields and cap instantly, and head right back into battle. After looting, I could fly to my favorite system to sell everything I looted for the best price around, and go grab the next mission.
I'm rambling so I'll sum up... Eve sort of dropped the ball on this one. Null is a LOT of fun and I'll get my ship soon to handle rats. I've got a hanger full of garbage that's waiting to be sold and I continue to rat belts rather than the anomalies for now. Eventually, my income will be above what it used to be in High simply because the bounties and loot for ratting is much higher, but I'll never in a million years earn what those ISK Boxers earn in High Sec.
Not unless Eve makes some serious changes!!!!!!
All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players. |
rogue Aldebaran
Rogue Fleet
2
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Posted - 2014.07.02 12:07:00 -
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Stop spending money on your GF / wife and you should be ok to finance all your accounts with RL money. |
Titania Hrothgar
Nemesis Retribution No Excuse.
76
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Posted - 2014.07.02 12:09:00 -
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rogue Aldebaran wrote:Stop spending money on your GF / wife and you should be ok to finance all your accounts with RL money.
girlfriend / wife > Eve
All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
898
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Posted - 2014.07.02 12:14:00 -
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Titania Hrothgar wrote:rogue Aldebaran wrote:Stop spending money on your GF / wife and you should be ok to finance all your accounts with RL money. girlfriend / wife > Eve Yes, but like someone said, all they need is love.
Give all your love to gf/wife and all your money to CCP and you'll be fine. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2051
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Posted - 2014.07.02 12:15:00 -
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Titania Hrothgar wrote:rogue Aldebaran wrote:Stop spending money on your GF / wife and you should be ok to finance all your accounts with RL money. girlfriend / wife > Eve
Clearly you are not married. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables
2449
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Posted - 2014.07.02 12:22:00 -
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Pay for your account with rl monies instead of space monies and the need to grind suddenly vanishes. It's a blissfiul relaxing feeling, really. MAMBA is recruiting. -áWhen other folks are whining about a lack of content, we go out and create it. The case of Shrodinger's Hotdropper |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1343
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Posted - 2014.07.02 12:23:00 -
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Female company helps with making passive income. Instead of watching the ISK trickle in, you can have lots of sexytime and check your wallet periodically instead of every few minutes. |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
201
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Posted - 2014.07.02 12:31:00 -
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THCS wrote:Sup all,
I... ... don't want to shell out $15-20 a month ...
Fixed it for you.
...end transmission... GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½ |
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12183
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Posted - 2014.07.02 12:36:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I own two capital ships. I have one cyno alt. I don't even use my cyno alt, like, ever.
I have one in my hanger and I refuse to touch it for anything other than moving stuff to deployments. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2390
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Posted - 2014.07.02 12:52:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Female company helps with making passive income. Instead of watching the ISK trickle in, you can have lots of sexytime and check your wallet periodically instead of every few minutes. This is actually a better idea even without the passive income
Titania Hrothgar wrote:
girlfriend / wife > Eve
Noob "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
ISquishWorms
245
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Posted - 2014.07.02 13:01:00 -
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Adapt or unsub. GÇÿNo, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhhGÇÖ. |
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
525
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Posted - 2014.07.02 13:03:00 -
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*As a semi-casual player and full-time worker that doesn't want to play $540/ year or 480 hrs of my time just to keep a float in eve,
Yes, math is hard, but are you saying you earn $1.12 an hour?
Wherever you live, I think it's time to move.
. They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake. |
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
401
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Posted - 2014.07.02 13:10:00 -
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THCS wrote:Do any of you Eve Vets share the same sentiment?
No.
540 dollars per year for a hobby is really cheap. Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Labs Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
525
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Posted - 2014.07.02 13:16:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Titania Hrothgar wrote:rogue Aldebaran wrote:Stop spending money on your GF / wife and you should be ok to finance all your accounts with RL money. girlfriend / wife > Eve Clearly you are not married.
I don't know how anyone can possibly play EvE without a girlfriend/wife. They provide valuable support during fleet ops.
Who else is going to run hot pockets and cheetos down the cellar stairs. Not to mention emptying out the refilled mountain dew bottles.
They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake. |
Kristalll
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
307
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Posted - 2014.07.02 13:29:00 -
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THCS wrote:**** THE FREE MARKET, WE WANT GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES!!!
FTFY.
MOST super pilots are already a part of major null blocs. Major nullblocs that have renter empires. Major nullblocs that will pay to keep supers active if you're being used enough. GÇ£Die tryingGÇ¥ is the proudest human thing. |
Bayonnefrog
Hedion University Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2014.07.02 13:37:00 -
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THCS wrote:Sup all,
I want to start a discussion on Eve endgame and the cost of eve in terms of plex, time and RL $...
The inflated plexs price is putting a serious clamp on people's budget and I feel it kind of alienating the old veterans who are trying to enjoy end-game content and have loads of high-value capitals at risk. As a semi-casual player and full-time worker that doesn't want to play $540/ year or 480 hrs of my time just to keep a float in eve, its pretty hard to keep up with and enjoy eve content.
Playing eve has gotten pretty expensive for a 100+ mil SP /super/ and cap toon and doesn't seem to be slowing down.
Lets face it: Owning capitals capitals requires support toons. Players who don't want to shell out $15-20 a month need to buy plexs in game to support their capitals and accounts. With the increased cost of plexs recently, I don't think Capital pilots can sustain their accounts for long without eating into their ISK or RL savings or taking out a loads of time out of RL to put toward grinding for isk.
Lets do the math shall we? An average player plays 10-20 hrs a week and owns 2-3 accounts in eve; at current plex sell and buy order bids, that's 2.2 bil isk a month to keep them active. An average pilot makes roughly 60-100 mil/hr from ratting. To earn a plex, it takes 7-12 hrs to plex one account. That's on average 36 hrs of play time to pay off just the plex for subscription and also does not include operating costs and risk of ship loss.
My rough estimate is that it takes 40 hrs of grinding to pay off one's sub for 3 accounts. That's 3 weeks of free continuously effort we have to put towards eve!!
Idk, I kinda want eve developers to bring price of plexs down because this inflation trend is really putty a strain on my RL time and In-game budget. Do any of you Eve Vets share the same sentiment?
Um trading is where to cash is at. No need to rat 40 hours. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
656
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Posted - 2014.07.02 13:43:00 -
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Here's how it works:
(1) You're wealthy in real life and can plex a Titan any time you want
Can be discounted because not many people would be willing to drop that much real-life cash on an in-game item. Some do of course but in general, no.
(2) You've been grinding ISK for 5 years and can afford 1 Titan
This is do-able but there's a problem with it: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Indeed as a general rule I don't like to spend more than 10% of my wealth on anything, which is why the highest ship I've achieved so far grinding was a JF.
(3) You're a CEO or director and have access to corp or alliance wallets
Here you've got hundreds and possibly thousands of minions giving you tax or rent or whatever. You can lord it over them in your Titan and think you're the big man. Much like successful people in real life, you have come to believe you actually earned it even though you didn't really. You just hustled a crew together and ripped into their efforts from (2) by taxing them "for the greater good" (your own wallet).
Of course in general this sucks but I have to applaud anyone dedicated enough and who's demonstrated the kind of interpersonal skills you need in order to hold people together long enough to bend them over like that.
(4) SRP
Does any corp or alliance SRP Titans, or help with their build costs? I'm sure they do. Not in my neck of the woods but otherwise this is a question of good interpersonal skills, trust and effort, so similar to (2) and (3) but a different strategy.
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Titania Hrothgar
Nemesis Retribution No Excuse.
76
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Posted - 2014.07.02 13:52:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Titania Hrothgar wrote:rogue Aldebaran wrote:Stop spending money on your GF / wife and you should be ok to finance all your accounts with RL money. girlfriend / wife > Eve Clearly you are not married.
Clearly I am. We met on an online game about 15 years ago. She and I play WoW together and I play this. All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players. |
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