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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5306
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Posted - 2014.06.19 01:50:00 -
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Here you go. The Paradox |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
396
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Posted - 2014.06.19 02:14:00 -
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But can we trust this information? |
Garandras
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
200
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Posted - 2014.06.19 02:27:00 -
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Well why don't you guys go do something about it now you have it all mapped =D |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
557
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Posted - 2014.06.19 02:29:00 -
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What's the reason to release this information?
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Garandras
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
200
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Posted - 2014.06.19 02:31:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:What's the reason to release this information?
To generate content..
But really when there are only really 2 power blocs.. they cant expect a 3rd to do something |
Felicity Love
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1933
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Posted - 2014.06.19 02:31:00 -
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... stands to one side of the street to avoid getting trampled to death as the hordes of hungry moon-miners empty out of the taverns in Jita and race out to Fountain to cash in on the moon poop.
"Psssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh" -á-- That ambiguous and pseudo-technical term used by management to describe to staff how frakking cool something looks inside their own heads.
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Nariya Kentaya
Phoenix funds
1359
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Posted - 2014.06.19 02:32:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:What's the reason to release this information? Place the siphons. Place ALL of the siphons. Thousands per POS, every moon. |
Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2014.06.19 02:34:00 -
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Is it pretty save to say that by the time the information has made to this particular forum it has been disseminated through 30 other forums since 2009 and our Mooning Mining overlords have already divided them up to ensure the maintenance of the status quo. |
Silky Cyno
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2014.06.19 02:40:00 -
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We have a minmatar standoff in null right now. i Hear NC are chicken ( begawk ) |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1899
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Posted - 2014.06.19 02:43:00 -
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Begun has the Great Siphon War of Dullsec.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
14525
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Posted - 2014.06.19 03:03:00 -
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Paging Admiral Ackbarr.....
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1720
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Posted - 2014.06.19 03:57:00 -
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Even if the information is misleading or worthless, I do love the opportunity to digest the inner workings of a shiny Google spreadsheet.. .. when everything else is gone .. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2692
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Posted - 2014.06.19 04:11:00 -
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good. my moon is not on the list. eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5307
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Posted - 2014.06.19 04:15:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:good. my moon is not on the list. yet... The Paradox |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5308
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Posted - 2014.06.19 04:17:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Even if the information is misleading or worthless, I do love the opportunity to digest the inner workings of a shiny Google spreadsheet.. I'm still learning the stuff to be honest. Feel free to mail me any suggestions. The Paradox |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1721
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Posted - 2014.06.19 04:33:00 -
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Hi Marlona,
This is an amazing amount of information. Did you do all this? I had some questions if you don't mind: -I see that in some of the sheets Rows D:G don't use the color coding in I. Is that the simple intent of the color code or was there some information embedded there that wasn't obvious? -Were you using eve-central API for pulling mineral prices? Seems to me they are static values for now -I'm sure you could eventually calculate a daily income per Alliance/Corp if you wanted to -I really like the pie chart breakdown if minerals
It's pretty simple and effective. Good job! .. when everything else is gone .. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5308
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Posted - 2014.06.19 04:47:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Hi Marlona,
This is an amazing amount of information. Did you do all this? I had some questions if you don't mind: -I see that in some of the sheets Rows D:G don't use the color coding in I. Is that the simple intent of the color code or was there some information embedded there that wasn't obvious? -Were you using eve-central API for pulling mineral prices? Seems to me they are static values for now -I'm sure you could eventually calculate a daily income per Alliance/Corp if you wanted to -I really like the pie chart breakdown if minerals
It's pretty simple and effective. Good job!
- Some of the sheets are the early versions before I started doing the color. Eventually I will update them. You will probably notice an earlier version of labeling the planet and moons, but I opted for a different way to record the data. That will be eventually updated as well.
- I just logged on an alt in Jita and looked at the average price for each. If I knew how to API it I would, but I'm not in a super rush right now. Again something else I will update later. The price on it right now is from 3 days ago if I remember correctly. - The corp/alliance income could be done, but I don't have all the towers mapped yet and will take a few days. But, from what I have seen, this information being public may cause some changes on who has the moon depending on how the line members of FA and even Goons view this. Maybe some of those small member corps who barely participate in fleets have some other reason to be raking in ISK left and right and not helping out? I don't know. I'll leave it up to the line members to go to the good moons I don't have details on who has it towered. Let them decide what to do. - Yeah the pie chart is simple and effective. I might expand to corps and alliances on the value in a few days. I have something else I want to finish first. The Paradox |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12040
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Posted - 2014.06.19 05:43:00 -
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I hope this means people will feed us some fleets. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5309
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Posted - 2014.06.19 05:54:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:I hope this means people will feed us some fleets. Maybe. I really don't know what this information will do. Time will tell. The Paradox |
Mildew Wolf
188
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Posted - 2014.06.19 13:32:00 -
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All that hate's gonna burn you up kid |
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Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1920
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Posted - 2014.06.19 13:37:00 -
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Interesting... Can someone confirm this info isn't fabricated? EVE needs more Pssshhhh |
Dally Lama
Republic University Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2014.06.19 15:29:00 -
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Why do the two largest powerblocs need more content, though?
I'm surprised they aren't duking it out until one dies completely. New Fitting Window | Exact Distances Above 10km | Remove all inactive contacts |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3356
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Posted - 2014.06.19 15:39:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Interesting... Can someone confirm this info isn't fabricated? Test a random sample yourself, it's the only way you can trust the verification.
That said, his figures are completely bogus - they ignore fuel costs, meaning the majority of those on his list have a negative cost to extraction, where he claims a profit. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Netan MalDoran
Yumping Amok Circle-Of-Two
22
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Posted - 2014.06.19 15:59:00 -
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DOTLAN anyone? "Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was! |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5313
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Posted - 2014.06.19 16:04:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Interesting... Can someone confirm this info isn't fabricated? Test a random sample yourself, it's the only way you can trust the verification. That said, his figures are completely bogus - they ignore fuel costs, meaning the majority of those on his list have a negative cost to extraction, where he claims a profit. The word 'profit' is no where to be found in the data. It is simply the raw value of minerals the moon outputs per day. Sorry that F's up your narrative in trying to convince people to not enjoy the data or use it. The Paradox |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5315
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Posted - 2014.06.19 16:06:00 -
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Netan MalDoran wrote:DOTLAN anyone? Incomplete and subject to player honesty when submitting information. They are of course free to copy the information I have here and complete their Fountain region so it is complete and up to date on the new additions of high end moons there. The Paradox |
BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
429
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Posted - 2014.06.19 16:09:00 -
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Knowledge is only power if you have the power to do something about it. Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
flakeys
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2255
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Posted - 2014.06.19 16:11:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Hi Marlona,
This is an amazing amount of information. Did you do all this? I had some questions if you don't mind: -I see that in some of the sheets Rows D:G don't use the color coding in I. Is that the simple intent of the color code or was there some information embedded there that wasn't obvious? -Were you using eve-central API for pulling mineral prices? Seems to me they are static values for now -I'm sure you could eventually calculate a daily income per Alliance/Corp if you wanted to -I really like the pie chart breakdown if minerals
It's pretty simple and effective. Good job! - Some of the sheets are the early versions before I started doing the color. Eventually I will update them. You will probably notice an earlier version of labeling the planet and moons, but I opted for a different way to record the data. That will be eventually updated as well. - I just logged on an alt in Jita and looked at the average price for each. If I knew how to API it I would, but I'm not in a super rush right now. Again something else I will update later. The price on it right now is from 3 days ago if I remember correctly. - The corp/alliance income could be done, but I don't have all the towers mapped yet and will take a few days. But, from what I have seen, this information being public may cause some changes on who has the moon depending on how the line members of FA and even Goons view this. Maybe some of those small member corps who barely participate in fleets have some other reason to be raking in ISK left and right and not helping out? I don't know. I'll leave it up to the line members to go to the good moons I don't have details on who has it towered. Let them decide what to do. - Yeah the pie chart is simple and effective. I might expand to corps and alliances on the value in a few days. I have something else I want to finish first.
So this doesn't have anything to do with your EN24 article questioning FA's income/outgoing iskflow and how a large part is being held back right?
Looks to me like you're trying your utter best to get some ''inner-drama'' going there .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5315
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Posted - 2014.06.19 16:15:00 -
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flakeys wrote:So this doesn't have anything to do with your EN24 article questioning FA's income/outgoing iskflow and how a large part is being held back right?
Looks to me like you're trying your utter best to get some ''inner-drama'' going there .
Considering I never wrote an article questioning FA's income/outgoing ISK flow... The Paradox |
Lugia3
Intentionally Dense Easily Excited
985
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Posted - 2014.06.19 16:19:00 -
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Release public moon info for region. Edit out the valuable R64's. Claim them for yourself.
"CCP Dolan is full of ****." - CCP Bettik |
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flakeys
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2255
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Posted - 2014.06.19 16:22:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:flakeys wrote:So this doesn't have anything to do with your EN24 article questioning FA's income/outgoing iskflow and how a large part is being held back right?
Looks to me like you're trying your utter best to get some ''inner-drama'' going there .
Considering I never wrote an article questioning FA's income/outgoing ISK flow...
You are right , it wasn't you who wrote it .It was the article before the one you wrote .
The underlying idea behind it doesn't change because of a different writer though , something you clearly understand and is the reason why you only reply to the mistake i made in regards to the author not the idea to post this list though
.So , pure coincidence your article is RIGHT above one questioning FA's honesty in regards to their iskflow?
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3356
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Posted - 2014.06.19 16:26:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Interesting... Can someone confirm this info isn't fabricated? Test a random sample yourself, it's the only way you can trust the verification. That said, his figures are completely bogus - they ignore fuel costs, meaning the majority of those on his list have a negative cost to extraction, where he claims a profit. The word ' profit' is no where to be found in the data. It is simply the raw value of minerals the moon outputs per day. Sorry that F's up your narrative in trying to convince people to not enjoy the data or use it. No, no, I actually think that releasing a hilariously inflated figure whilst asking "Are you getting your share?" and bleating about FA finances is just a giant coincidence. Or in your words "Just though this info would be helpful right now considering the FA income questions going on right now".
Your doc lists "total regional income" - income is always considered the net financial gain from an endeavour, so your figures are willfully misleading at best, and straight-up fabrications at worst. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
flakeys
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2255
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Posted - 2014.06.19 16:28:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Interesting... Can someone confirm this info isn't fabricated? Test a random sample yourself, it's the only way you can trust the verification. That said, his figures are completely bogus - they ignore fuel costs, meaning the majority of those on his list have a negative cost to extraction, where he claims a profit. The word ' profit' is no where to be found in the data. It is simply the raw value of minerals the moon outputs per day. Sorry that F's up your narrative in trying to convince people to not enjoy the data or use it. No, no, I actually think that releasing a hilariously inflated figure whilst asking "Are you getting your share?" and bleating about FA finances is just a giant coincidence. Or in your words "Just though this info would be helpful right now considering the FA income questions going on right now". Your doc lists "total regional income" - income is always considered the net financial gain from an endeavour, so your figures are willfully misleading at best, and straight-up fabrications at worst.
Well normally it's the CFC -specifically goons- who play this type of game so i'm more ''surprised'' that this time it is being played the other way around.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
553
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Posted - 2014.06.19 16:35:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Netan MalDoran wrote:DOTLAN anyone? Incomplete and subject to player honesty when submitting information. They are of course free to copy the information I have here and complete their Fountain region so it is complete and up to date on the new additions of high end moons there.
I underlined the important part of what you said about your own information. |
Rhiannon Marius
Marius Family Enterprises Unlimited
26
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Posted - 2014.06.19 17:13:00 -
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Your doc lists "total regional income" - income is always considered the net financial gain from an endeavour, so your figures are willfully misleading at best, and straight-up fabrications at worst.[/quote]
This is not correct. Gross income is all income before expenses, net income is actual financial gain.
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5316
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Posted - 2014.06.19 18:14:00 -
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I will change the wording on Total Regional Income to Potential Gross of Region per Day. Will be later tonight before I can though. The Paradox |
Rhiannon Marius
Marius Family Enterprises Unlimited
27
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Posted - 2014.06.19 18:15:00 -
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Marlona,
You should probably re-label the the 'total regional income' on your spreadsheet to 'potential gross income'. Many of these moons do not have towers so you cannot count them as actual income, just potential. Your figures are before expenses and should reflect that thus 'gross'. While the spreadsheet can be useful, it would be more useful if it had actual towered moons listed to reflect real income. |
General Nusense
Not Posting With My Main
185
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Posted - 2014.06.20 00:03:00 -
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baltec wrote:cant wait for someone to create content for us since we dont have anythign to shoot due to our blue list and botlord.
FTFY.
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Serene Repose
1396
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Posted - 2014.06.20 10:55:00 -
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Posting to, seriously, one of the best titled posts I've ever seen titled. I have no clue what it means. It just reads good.
+1 for subject line I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
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ISD Atomic Dove
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
16
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Posted - 2014.06.20 12:43:00 -
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Good Evening,
I have removed an off topic post aimed at derailing the thread. Please remain civil in posts with each other.
Quote: 5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
22. Post constructively.
Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting.
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Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
404
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Posted - 2014.06.20 12:55:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Interesting... Can someone confirm this info isn't fabricated? Test a random sample yourself, it's the only way you can trust the verification..
Pretty much this. There are very easy statistical analysis which basically boils down to "The more you test and are accurate, the more likely it's legit". The more information that Marlona would, hypothetically, try to fudge, the more likely it would show up in your random testing. You just need to break whatever your confidence interval is. |
Evai Tsuki
Lom Corporation Brothers of Tangra
9
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:59:00 -
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You also have to take in account that alot of Alliances have no interest in R4-R16 moons.
For example, Brothers of Tangra policy allows corps to mine all R4-R32 moons in their rented systems, aside from Hafnium.
To me, this suggests that PL thinks that anything R32 and below is not worth their time to manage (since, in some systems, the profit from these moons alone will pay for the rent and then some).
Of course, I bet it varies amongst the alliances. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5320
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Posted - 2014.06.20 16:27:00 -
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There is a decent amount of systems that are heavy reaction farms. So they are mining everything. A good example is TEG-SD. If you look at that system you can see most of the moons there are towered. I didn't list if they had moon harvesters, but they are there.
Any tab/sheet that is color coded means two things. One the color represents the highest moon category in system. For example red means there is one or more r64 in the system. It also means I have listed which moons have towers and who they belong to along with any notes, like a jump bridge or capital ship assembly array.
Right now I only have about 40% of the systems done that way, but I'm debating on stopping. While flying around and identifying the towers and such is rather easy, the time I spend doing that I could easily be spending probing another region's moons.
Would you all prefer moor moon mineral data which is currently static information that never changes or tower information? The Paradox |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1128
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Posted - 2014.06.20 17:08:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:There is a decent amount of systems that are heavy reaction farms. So they are mining everything. A good example is TEG-SD. If you look at that system you can see most of the moons there are towered. I didn't list if they had moon harvesters, but they are there.
Any tab/sheet that is color coded means two things. One the color represents the highest moon category in system. For example red means there is one or more r64 in the system. It also means I have listed which moons have towers and who they belong to along with any notes, like a jump bridge or capital ship assembly array.
Right now I only have about 40% of the systems done that way, but I'm debating on stopping. While flying around and identifying the towers and such is rather easy, the time I spend doing that I could easily be spending probing another region's moons.
Would you all prefer moor moon mineral data which is currently static information that never changes or tower information?
If you do another region, please do Providence so we can have some data, be it real or not, about the narrative going on there. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5322
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Posted - 2014.06.20 18:47:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:If you do another region, please do Providence so we can have some data, be it real or not, about the narrative going on there. I don't have the patience to create fake data. Too much work. The Paradox |
Magnus Cortex
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
191
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Posted - 2014.06.20 19:24:00 -
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Was it worth it?
PS: somebody please invade Fountain |
Jen Takhesis
The Scope Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2014.06.20 19:29:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:Val'Dore wrote:What's the reason to release this information? Place the siphons. Place ALL of the siphons. Thousands per POS, every moon.
And set us up the bomb.
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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
566
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Posted - 2014.06.20 19:30:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Interesting... Can someone confirm this info isn't fabricated?
I can neither confirm nor deny that that is a moon and not a fully operational space station.
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5323
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Posted - 2014.06.20 23:44:00 -
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Magnus Cortex wrote:Was it worth it?
PS: somebody please invade Fountain Easily worth it. What region would you like to see next? The Paradox |
Marsha Mallow
1119
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Posted - 2014.06.21 00:00:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:What region would you like to see next? All of them. Come on, if you're going to do a job do it properly TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance
514
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Posted - 2014.06.21 11:59:00 -
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Syndicate, Outer Passage, Omist or any other region not in Dotlan.
If you're doing this to generate content then meh - it wont work - Slean & Paede or whoever published the full lowsec list years ago and it has no impact on fighting.
If you're doing this as an act of altruism then cool - fill in the blanks on the map and push CCP to actually improve the shoddy moon/POS/passive isk junk.
If you're feeding false info then meh, waste of everyone's time. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5326
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Posted - 2014.06.22 05:39:00 -
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All R8-64 moon towers owners have been identified. I thought about trying to do some math on which corps and alliances own what and total value, but I need a break from spreadsheets for a bit. I will tell you that if there is a tower on the R8-64 moon, it is being mined. Tower size varies, but every R64 was sporting a large tower.
Maybe I'll try and do the math in a few days when I can hack together some formula to figure it out somehow. The Paradox |
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