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Doreen Kaundur
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Posted - 2014.06.06 22:31:00 -
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I'm not looking at this in terms of employment numbers or layoffs.
I'm looking at this in terms of game content.
Maybe it's just me, maybe I just don't "get it," but I found the theme of WoD to be depressingly and pornographically grotesque.
Now, there will be the element of game playing society so desensitized by all the 'sickness' in the media and world that they will view my opinion as juvenile. "We are adults aren't we?" - is always the catch-all excuse for the proliferation of sick behavior today. "As long as no one gets hurt" -is the other one.
But looking at this for the first time, I see how this product would be hard to merchandise.
Who is your target audience? Blood and necrophilia fetishists?
Fantasy is fun. But it's just fantasy. There are no real Orcs among us. No magic casting wizards or cloaked rogues. No immortal capsuleers flying around in space. However, the behaviors in WoD are actually practiced by some very sick people in RL that remain under the radar.
This cuts to the very heart of mental illness under the guise of entertainment.
Good call CCP on canning this project. You have saved your reputation from future backlash. Had it been released, this project would have died anyway, sooner than you think. You can do better and I think you know it.
Rant over.
Flame away trolls.
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lanyaie
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exit Strategy..
973
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Posted - 2014.06.06 22:36:00 -
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And here we go again, I will grab my bucket. Hai |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1779
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Posted - 2014.06.06 22:38:00 -
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oh dear "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1985
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Posted - 2014.06.06 22:42:00 -
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Mankind has always been fueled by sex, greed, and violence. Games can work as an outlet for those desires to keep them in a fantasy setting, instead of spilling over into RL actions. There will always be sadistic crap in the world, there will always be those who can't separate fantasy from reality. However to avert your eyes from it is equally foolish, to try and over sensitise things especially entertainment will only cause those to seek it out. In the same way making something illegal can cause more people to be drawn to it, the forbidden fruit.
Ironic you chastise WoD theme while ignoring Eves, which plays on similar concepts just masked under Sci-Fi instead of fantasy. Lets not ignore that Eve in general promotes slavery, sex, drugs, and violence. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |
Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2014.06.06 22:45:00 -
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I will not judge the WOD concept and IP. It has its fans, and to each their own entertainment as long it does not encroach in other people's free will and freedoms.
Now, I have never been a big fan of CCP merging with White Wolf in the first place. I even wonder how much of it lead to the catastrophically misguided incarna project.... I am also glad to see CCP ditch this project and keep their focus on the Eve universe..
I have my reserves on DUST and Valkyries but at least they develop them within the EVE overarching universe, and certainly the last updates released for EVE have been showing that CCP has it's priorities in order and keep working on the spaceship game that in the first place built their reputation. "surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
solo? There is a new hope http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/2014/05/ok-now-im-betting-man.html |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
14061
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Posted - 2014.06.06 22:46:00 -
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This gon be good.
Someone pass the popcorn. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Graabeerd Khagah
ImaNicePirate.com
150
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Posted - 2014.06.06 22:49:00 -
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Doreen makes some very well founded points, I agree with her as far as CCP canning something that does not relate to internet spaceships (Eve) at all. The mistake as pointed out in the Guardian article was enough proof in the pudding, BUT it came with a price to pay in the end. The community lost those who worked on this were laid off or left voluntarily and I feel for those people as well.
What we are seeing tho is not just with CCP, rather it's going through the industry as a whole. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4982
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Posted - 2014.06.06 22:51:00 -
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WTF?
No but seriously
I dont even know where to begin
I really hope this is a troll thread, but if it is, Im very disappoint "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. |
Marsha Mallow
931
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Posted - 2014.06.06 22:52:00 -
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Erh, I'm pretty sure there is a market for ****-suckers-online.
What's wrong with a bit of necrophilia anyway? I class the over 40s as the undead. They definitely have circulatory problems. And cold feet. TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1820
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Posted - 2014.06.06 22:53:00 -
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Quote:However, the behaviors in WoD are actually practiced by some very sick people in RL that remain under the radar.
Vampires? When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues. http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18654
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Posted - 2014.06.06 22:53:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Indeed
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:This gon be good.
Someone pass the popcorn.
Here you go. Eve is an introduction to teamwork, paranoia, dealing with consequences, coping with loss, economics, long term planning, bartering, astronomy, and the theory of space submarine travel.
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
eFart
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.06.06 23:02:00 -
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did they have roflcoptor in game |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4985
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Posted - 2014.06.06 23:04:00 -
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Graabeerd Khagah wrote:Doreen makes some very well founded points, I agree with her as far as CCP canning something that does not relate to internet spaceships (Eve) at all. The mistake as pointed out in the Guardian article was enough proof in the pudding, BUT it came with a price to pay in the end. The community lost those who worked on this were laid off or left voluntarily and I feel for those people as well.
What we are seeing tho is not just with CCP, rather it's going through the industry as a whole.
THis is exactly what people were saying in 1994 when Magic the Gathering butchered the RPG industry overnight.
It came back, though its still not at the level it was in 1992 "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1985
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Posted - 2014.06.06 23:09:00 -
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Graabeerd Khagah wrote:Doreen makes some very well founded points, I agree with her as far as CCP canning something that does not relate to internet spaceships (Eve) at all. The mistake as pointed out in the Guardian article was enough proof in the pudding, BUT it came with a price to pay in the end. The community lost those who worked on this were laid off or left voluntarily and I feel for those people as well.
What we are seeing tho is not just with CCP, rather it's going through the industry as a whole.
The article had to do with poor management and lack of direction, not diverting into another genre.
Also the mentality for CCP to be a single IP company is also shortsighted and risky from a company standpoint. While WoD was a mistake for the fact that they were spread thin development wise, and didn't have a clear goal in mind for the game. The idea of branching out into the WoD series wasn't a mistake. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |
Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
400
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Posted - 2014.06.06 23:20:00 -
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I like my games with depressing and pornographic content. They distract me from how depressing and pornographic my real life is. Train Scout Drone Operation to V. Now. Or before June 3.
This public service announcement was brought to you by tears. Rivers and lakes of tears wept by people who were too busy griping about the changes to bother using them to their advantage. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
584
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Posted - 2014.06.06 23:35:00 -
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I'l disagree and feed the troll.
CCP trying to make WoD was brilliant at the time. Vampires were and still are huge. Even before twilight, the underworld and blade movies were big.
The problem, CCP spread its self WAY too thin. And they started looking at other ways to make money. If they had focused on EvE and WoD, and not splintered into Dust/whatever random hair brained idea they had to make money. the story would be different.
Right now a focus on eve is good. In a few years, if this new venture is successfully, they can still go back and relook at WoD and put some time into it.
Having all your eggs in one basket is risky. It is either going to pay off huge, or fail huge. We will see. 10 years of eve... yea i'm an addict |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1941
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Posted - 2014.06.06 23:40:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:This gon be good.
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I doubt it'll go anywhere. The recent blog post by DJ Funky Bacon really said it all. Might also read the Guardian article too if you haven't already.
FunkyBacon blogpost: http://funkybacon.blogspot.com/2014/06/double-whammy-musings-on-layoffs-and.html
Guardian article: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/05/world-of-darkness-the-inside-story-mmo-ccp-white-wolf "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
14071
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Posted - 2014.06.06 23:40:00 -
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There have been times in Eve when I have killed a much superior player, and have wished that I could eat their corpse in order to gain their power.
Id eat all the miner corpses, but I don't want to die of Entitlement poisoning. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1505
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Posted - 2014.06.06 23:41:00 -
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This reminds me of Doc Fury's sig. .. when everything else is gone .. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1152
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Posted - 2014.06.06 23:49:00 -
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Saisin wrote:I will not judge the WOD concept and IP. It has its fans, and to each their own entertainment as long it does not encroach in other people's free will and freedoms.
Now, I have never been a big fan of CCP merging with White Wolf in the first place. I even wonder how much of it lead to the catastrophically misguided incarna project.... I am also glad to see CCP ditch this project and keep their focus on the Eve universe..
I have my reserves on DUST and Valkyries but at least they develop them within the EVE overarching universe, and certainly the last updates released for EVE have been showing that CCP has it's priorities in order and keep working on the spaceship game that in the first place built their reputation.
They were using the WoD programmers to develop Eve, using the WoD code to develop Eve, pretty much nullifying your whole spiel. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
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Doreen Kaundur
433
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Posted - 2014.06.06 23:50:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Id eat all the miner corpses, but I don't want to die of Entitlement poisoning.
*ouch*
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Graabeerd Khagah
ImaNicePirate.com
151
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Posted - 2014.06.06 23:54:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:WTF?
No but seriously
I dont even know where to begin
I really hope this is a troll thread, but if it is, Im very disappoint
Pilot Ramona,
I like to draw your attention for a moment please. What we are dealing with is real people who worked on a project that would either made it or flounder and sink. This is reality, this is in no way a troll thread and I hate to say but you need to step in their shoes for a moment and realize things comes to an end when we don't expect it. If I stepped on your toes too hard I apologize.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4993
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Posted - 2014.06.06 23:56:00 -
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I dont understand what any of what you have said has to do with the OP "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
841
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Posted - 2014.06.06 23:59:00 -
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Dear OP, In the same way that a healthy person with a peaceful mind is invisible to psychology and seen as insipid to the carnival of vanity that passes for human life, so your concerns about the corrosive effect of concentrated horror as entertainment will be a non-starter. Take heart though, most people interested in this sort of thing are intelligent, bland suburbanites. The small amount of sick people attracted will always find something to focus their pathology on and are never indicative of the wider audience*. EvE already ticks all the boxes WoD had anyway, immortal elite powerful demigods vying for dominance under endless night, yep sounds like Placid FW lowsec to me.
* Except Slipknot fans, i wouldn't use that crowd to fertilise my lawn.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
59
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Posted - 2014.06.07 00:05:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:They were using the WoD programmers to develop Eve, using the WoD code to develop Eve, pretty much nullifying your whole spiel. Was that before Incarna? I do not have insider knowledge, so this is indeed speculation from my part. Thanks for the insight! "surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
solo? There is a new hope http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/2014/05/ok-now-im-betting-man.html |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1935
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Posted - 2014.06.07 00:05:00 -
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My mind... psssshhhh I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1985
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Posted - 2014.06.07 00:20:00 -
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Saisin wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:They were using the WoD programmers to develop Eve, using the WoD code to develop Eve, pretty much nullifying your whole spiel. Was that before Incarna? I do not have insider knowledge, so this is indeed speculation from my part. Thanks for the insight!
They were used for Apocrypha, and possibly another expansion. However the basis for Incarna development was primarily done by WoD staff. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |
Neesa Corrinne
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2014.06.07 00:22:00 -
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I completely disagree with your moralizing on this topic. There are those of us who have been playing Vampires and Werewolves since V:TM was created, and we lead perfectly normal, well adjusted lives in the real world.
As for CCP dropping it, I'm extremely disappointed in that aspect. I did NOT believe in Incarna in any shape or form. I DID wish and hope for the WoD MMO as a way to continue my WoD adventures with friends and family that I can't play pen and paper with anymore.
Incarna bad.
WoD good.
I wish killing one hadn't meant killing the other. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6802
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Posted - 2014.06.07 00:26:00 -
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You do know that vampires are just make-believe, right? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1985
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Posted - 2014.06.07 00:30:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:You do know that vampires are just make-believe, right?
So is Eve, your point?
CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |
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