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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2014.06.02 00:34:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:y
Even your old hunting area of HED-GP, in terms of nullsec, has masses of fighting going on because Hero Coalition are there. They are constantly fighting and Brave Newbies will take on anyone, no matter whether they will win or lose.. Kind of neat, you are the second person in this thread I do not know referring to my old gaming habits. Go figure... Anyway, you are right. I roamed HED allot and here is what we got. We rammed our ships into the camp on the HED gate whenever it was there. It went two ways, one we got completely creamed by a blob (especially on the weekends) and two we cleared the gate only to be creamed by the response blob. To avoid the response blob we would roam deeper into Catch as far as we could go in every direction, encountering nothing until we reached a local or two filled with ratters who remained docked. After which, we then contended with the response blob. Sure, there were fights to be had there but they are following the same pattern. We just flew around until that gigantic blob from hell found us, and the rest of the time we practiced avoiding them in order to get back to high sec. So if there are now "brave noobs" who will fight anyone whether they win or lose down there, they were not there when I was playing. So excuse me if I do not just take your word at face value. But I will go down there and see for myself this weekend.
OK I looked over the threads. Props to the OP for being able to reign in trolling and demand a debate instead of trolling back. That's a skill to learn around here.
About Catch-Stain and HED - yeah I can vouch for this "change" being written about. I was moving a covops will a hold full of blue prints to deep stain for Hub Zero and came up to a system right at the border of Catch and Stain where Brave Collective appears to be in a bit of a threesome. I give them credit. Trying to find a hole in the killing there did not pan out. If you are not travel fit (covop with a low full of stabs) you are not going to get through. I don't think 1v1s will be found in that environment. At the least they get credit for bringing the Pee to PVP in that area.
From looking at the concept that some will only fight when the cards are in their favor, I get the feeling that the stacking of the cards starts long before the attempt at tipping an engagement. That is, the RR/OGB elements are simply an extension of the engagement, not a trap or trick. They would not be out there trying it if they didn't have these assets. What does get dicey is when "leet" PVPers bail from obsession over stats. I've seen larger gangs run off simply because they could not guarantee the engagement, which they already had the upper hand in, would go well for them "as individuals" meaning that yes their fleet will win, but they individually could still lose their ship and that could be bad for their own personal stats. So individual stat-obsession makes them collective chickens. We can say that perhaps kiillboards are to blame but it's more likely the players to could bear the brunt of blame as it is the only measure of performance. If other stats were possible or included, this could change. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
casanover
The Reformed
0
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Posted - 2014.06.02 00:52:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Now if you would be so kind as to actually address the topic, I would be interested in what you have to say. I already did address the topic, right back in my original reply and in a couple of the subsequent ones. But for simplicity: My experience is totally opposite to the complaint you have made. There is no "no fight" culture in EvE and it is easy to find fights if you go looking for them. Get out of highsec, which is where finding fights can sometimes be difficult unless you gank. Lowsec has constant fighting going on in the factional warfare systems. Many pirate Corps and both Galmil and Calmil pilots will engage, even if the odds are only 50:50. When they are close to their home systems, they'll often engage, lose, go reship and get back into the fight. You can fight in anything from frigates to cruisers easily. Even your old hunting area of HED-GP, in terms of nullsec, has masses of fighting going on because Hero Coalition are there. They are constantly fighting and Brave Newbies will take on anyone, no matter whether they will win or lose. Where I live in Syndicate is fairly constant for fighting in some of the systems. EZA (Eve-Uni), 6-c, 6E-, MHC and others. Ineluctable are there and will engage anyone (and hotdrop them in the process, which is always fun). Fleets run logistics, but many don't, though they'll often bring e-war if they don't have logistics. However solo fights can be found relatively easily and taking fights slightly outnumbered opens up even more fights, especially in low and null. I have seen nothing to indicate a "no fight" culture in this game.
All i keep seeing is you trolling, im interested in the ops post and the valid views being put forward.
Your post sare starting to anger me, i think thats what a troll aims for correct me if im wrong.
Do me a favoure and shut up. i think you made your point. not that i see it! |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6647
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Posted - 2014.06.02 01:00:00 -
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casanover wrote: All i keep seeing is you trolling, im interested in the ops post and the valid views being put forward.
There aren't any valid views. The OP is a gigantic hypocrite, as he revealed several pages ago.
Quote: Your post sare starting to anger me, i think thats what a troll aims for correct me if im wrong.
While I imagine that it's a coincidence, I also imagine it's a happy one. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1768
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Posted - 2014.06.02 01:02:00 -
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casanover wrote:All i keep seeing is you trolling! In what way am I trolling? Is it not valid to have an opinion, even if that opinion differs from the OP? My experience is different to his and he asked from my views. Why is it wrong to express them?
Specifically in relation to the post you quoted, what's trolling about it? It just states my experience of the ease with which fights can be found in this game. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4693
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Posted - 2014.06.02 01:05:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:casanover wrote:All i keep seeing is you trolling! In what way am I trolling? Is it not valid to have an opinion, even if that opinion differs from the OP? My experience is different to his and he asked from my views. Why is it wrong to express them? Specifically in relation to the post you quoted, what's trolling about it? It just states my experience of the ease with which fights can be found in this game.
Just report him for personal attacks. Apparently, having an opinion that differs fromt he OP is trolling, and only his view is "valid", whatever the F that means. "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6648
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Posted - 2014.06.02 01:07:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:casanover wrote:All i keep seeing is you trolling! In what way am I trolling? Is it not valid to have an opinion, even if that opinion differs from the OP? My experience is different to his and he asked from my views. Why is it wrong to express them? Specifically in relation to the post you quoted, what's trolling about it? It just states my experience of the ease with which fights can be found in this game.
Because he cannot tolerate disagreement. Disagreement makes him mad, and him being mad means that you must be trolling... because reasons.
Haven't you been keeping up? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1135
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Posted - 2014.06.02 01:35:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
From looking at the concept that some will only fight when the cards are in their favor, I get the feeling that the stacking of the cards starts long before the attempt at tipping an engagement. That is, the RR/OGB elements are simply an extension of the engagement, not a trap or trick. They would not be out there trying it if they didn't have these assets. What does get dicey is when "leet" PVPers bail from obsession over stats. I've seen larger gangs run off simply because they could not guarantee the engagement, which they already had the upper hand in, would go well for them "as individuals" meaning that yes their fleet will win, but they individually could still lose their ship and that could be bad for their own personal stats. So individual stat-obsession makes them collective chickens. We can say that perhaps kiillboards are to blame but it's more likely the players to could bear the brunt of blame as it is the only measure of performance. If other stats were possible or included, this could change.
Hello wolf, good to see recognizable names around here after so long. You might actually be the only one so far, but I have not angered Tippa or Akita yet so I don't know if they are still here.
Thank you for the kind words, and a post that is actually relevant to the thread.
I do agree that card stacking does occur long before the engagement, and I too have seen PVP "bigdawgs" turn into pansies at the first sign of real trouble. I admit I have looked at my own Killboard and wondered if I wanted to lose my ratio after it started climbing up and It is not even something to write home about in terms of kills. It's a definite temptation.
It is also good to hear (or perhaps not so good) that HED has not really changed much. I did not have a chance to get out there this weekend but after so many years I highly doubt that it has suddenly been magically filled with brave 1v1 fighting noobs as Mr Scipio Artelius here claims.
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There are fights that you cannot win, like if I was in a raven and the other guy was in a Megathron... it's a sure death on my end. So like anyone else in the game under those circumstances I would not fight. But that being said, I would get out of that Raven and hop into another megathron, or a dominix or a typhoon and try my hand at it. I mean... why not?
But when you get a culture of forum warriors who will not as much as go onto the test server to fight you in a frigate just to shut you up, then I think that it starts to be about something else.
Because there is a chance... A chance... that I can beat them.
And if I did beat them, how could they then come back here and continue to mouth off about how awesome they are? And I think that is the root of it. They can't really bare to chance that... to chance someone actually being able to prove that they can get the better of them. I believe that is the keystone right there.
If I lose i say good fight, can I see your build and that's the end of it. I move onto the next guy. But if a guy like Lee or some of these other tools here loses, they lose allot more then just that one fight. Some people build their entire game careers on the illusion of their supremacy over others. They would not know what to do if they did not have that anymore.
This is true not only here in black and white text, but in game as well.
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casanover
The Reformed
2
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Posted - 2014.06.02 02:18:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:casanover wrote:All i keep seeing is you trolling! In what way am I trolling? Is it not valid to have an opinion, even if that opinion differs from the OP? My experience is different to his and he asked from my views. Why is it wrong to express them? Specifically in relation to the post you quoted, what's trolling about it? It just states my experience of the ease with which fights can be found in this game.
You are indeed entitled to your opinion,
My point is that you seem to have an axe to grind with the op. i would like to see some serious debate with regards to the ops original post without yet anoughter thread being locked,
"Simples"
You digress often you atack often, and you post a hell of a lot of codswallop not related to the original post.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6648
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Posted - 2014.06.02 02:20:00 -
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casanover wrote: You are indeed entitled to your opinion,
My point is that you seem to have an axe to grind with the op. i would like to see some serious debate with regards to the ops original post without yet anoughter thread being locked,
Considering the entire thread is trolling, arguably based on the premise of a personal attack?
I doubt that will happen. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Felicity Love
It Was the Year 3030
1842
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Posted - 2014.06.02 02:31:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote: Will eve forever be filled with carebears who don't want to fight and "PVP carebears" who pretend like they do but in reality, won't undock without a sure win in their favor?
Well, yeah, at least until this whole neutral logi thing is well and truly nerfed and who really wants to beat their epeen raw if their favourite "killer death ship" has even the slightest chance of getting it's paint scratched ?
The shame of actually losing in a fair fight... it's many [alleged] PVP'ers worst nightmare.
"HTFU ! " -á--- -áKatee Sackhoff, aka "The F-Bomb Queen of EVE" ! !-á
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1769
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Posted - 2014.06.02 02:49:00 -
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casanover wrote:My point is that you seem to have an axe to grind with the op. i would like to see some serious debate with regards to the ops original post without yet anoughter thread being locked,
I dont know the OP from Adam. He started a discussion and I originally assumed he was looking for discussion, not just +1s on his opening post.
The only issues I've addressed other than the topic of the thread have been in response to being attacked first.
However, it seems that the best thing to do is to just bow out of this thread again as the discussion of the topic has changed to who is the biggest troll, which is hardly original or helpful. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1137
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Posted - 2014.06.02 02:49:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote: Will eve forever be filled with carebears who don't want to fight and "PVP carebears" who pretend like they do but in reality, won't undock without a sure win in their favor? Well, yeah, at least until this whole neutral logi thing is well and truly nerfed and who really wants to beat their epeen raw if their favourite "killer death ship" has even the slightest chance of getting it's paint scratched ? The shame of actually losing in a fair fight... it's many [alleged] PVP'ers worst nightmare.
In my own opinion at least, I am not getting that neut guardians are to blame. Remove logistics ships all together and then neut rr will simply come in the form of dominix's and your typical wambulance triage carrier. I mean, don't get me wrong they don't help. But killing the overpowered guardian (that contains no stacking penalty) won't compel loud mouth's to actually undock and put their money where their mouth is anymore than they do today.
If anything at all... it might actually make even more people cower in a hole and put their head in the ground like a scared ostrich.
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1137
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Posted - 2014.06.02 02:53:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote: The only issues I've addressed other than the topic of the thread have been in response to being attacked first..
Never did I attack first... I never do.
Unless you think this is some kind of an attack. "You are supposed to infer information based upon a single example and presume that the author is referencing that experience in order to explain a much larger phenomena, of which he has been experiencing."
In which I invite you to find a different game, because in eve you will need a thicker skin.
But you did make claims about Catch that another person's recent and objective experiences contradicted. What he describes is the exact same Catch and neighboring regions that I have always known. So this discussion is better off without you.
Bai now, and don't come back.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1769
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Posted - 2014.06.02 03:06:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:But you did make claims about Catch that another person's recent and objective experiences contradicted. I assume your referring to Wolf's post. Maybe i missed it, but in what way was my claim that there is a lot of fighting going on in HED-GP contradicted?
You may see that as off-topic or something, i dont know. I'm not on this forum to troll. I actually like this community and try to be as constructive as possible whenever I can. Clearly that seems to have been poorly executed in this thread, but I'm always open to understanding why so I can avoid it in future. So any help you can provide so I can see how my statement was contradicted would be greatly appreciated. Then I'll just bow out of your discussion all together. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Jegrey Dozer
Ruatha Holdings
11
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Posted - 2014.06.02 03:32:00 -
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High sec people do not want to be bothered. Most of them do not have the time to play but still make time to do so.
Nullsec sounds boring. The allure of lots of ISK with barely anything to do outside of a blob. It does not sounds so fun. I would imagine that adventure seekers would find more solace in lowsec.
Lowsec is where the last frontier really lies. Those are people who have the time and ISK to PvP to do stupid and fun things. Doesn't mean they wont blob, but they have the freedom to do whatever they want. There is no sovereignty mechanic to chain you down.
But, these are just my opinions. My experience is not yours. OP, I would just make the claim that you have grown tired of the game and are either inventing or recognizing flaws that fuel your perception. |
Vince Prince
BLACK DRAGONS CORPERATION
0
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Posted - 2014.06.02 03:44:00 -
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Pvp in eve has changed from the days when i first started playing, i'm not saying thats a bad thing But! i have noticed how hard it is to get a good old fashioned fight in this game now. almost 10 out of 10 i can see how a fight will go before i engage. solo pvp is now like a fart in the wind, it was momentarily fragrant now gone forever.
I do find it hard to get people to engage with me in "solo pvp", and when i do i tend to find the cards are always stacked against me. dont get me wrong ill look at the situation and see if it's worth a punt. But more often than not sadly it's really not. Solo pvp is dead to me personally. No one fights with honor like in the old days. theres is always a gang or logic or hot drop waiting for you to make an engagement and royalty shaft you once you do.
I **** you not i was hotdroped not so long ago by 30 plus and i was only in a drake?
I think the point you are all missing is its all about the isk these days! and that is the truth of it.
isk is king and plex feeds it, i'm truly sad at that.
i honestly thought i would play eve forever now i'm not so sure. :( I do love eve and i loved the relationship the players used to have with ccp. that's now gone to sadly,
That was down to trolls who almost destroyed ccp For REAL almost made em go bust. furthermore what happened to all the players. all i ever see is hate being spewed on these forums. It truly makes me feel sad.
Op starts a truly interesting topic only to get flamed from the get go why?
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1426
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Posted - 2014.06.02 05:24:00 -
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GÇ£If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.GÇ¥ -John Steinbeck |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
439
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Posted - 2014.06.02 09:05:00 -
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OP, if you want solo pvp, come to black rise.
Not sure about cruisers and up (haven't tried yet), but if you undock a frig or dessy you'll get plenty of fights.
If you're good (both game and meta-game), you'll kill more than you lose. In any case you'll have fun.
You'll find plenty of 1v1s, but it's fun and challenging to take on1v many too. |
Marcus Gord
Stormcrows
54296
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Posted - 2014.06.02 09:05:00 -
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the first rule of no fight culture, is you do not talk about no fight culture.
the second rule of no fight culture is YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT NO FIGHT CULTURE You can't take the sky from me
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
439
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Posted - 2014.06.02 10:07:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:OP, if you want solo pvp, come to black rise. I'll add just a small example.
Yesterday I was solo roaming in a brawler Merlin, fit for maximum gank + tank. I had no scram/point on it.
I engage a Comet, hit him pretty hard while not taking much damage myself. He warps out in 20% structure, since I had no scram/point.
But he comes back a couple of minutes later!
I assume he must have changed either fit, ammo choice or tactics, because this time I take much more damage.
I manage to prevail anyway, this time he doesn't warp off even though he knew perfectly well he wasn't scrammed, I win but end up in 20% structure myself. A fun and satisfying fight indeed!
Just a small example of the 'fight' culture that I personally notice every time I solo roam. |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4709
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Posted - 2014.06.02 10:39:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote: Why? do you do wardecs in exchange for forum smack on your main?
What's a wardec?
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Oh well, it was worth a shot.
Says the man in the NPC corp
"A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1138
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Posted - 2014.06.02 12:32:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:GÇ£If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.GÇ¥ -John Steinbeck
Or.... Alternatively....
Quote:GÇ£There is no dishonor in losing the race. There is only dishonor in not racing because you are afraid to lose.GÇ¥
(or)
Quote: GÇ£I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live up to what light I have.GÇ¥ GÇò Abraham Lincoln
(or)
Quote: GÇ£The greatest way to live with honour in this world is to be what we pretend to be.GÇ¥ GÇò Socrates, Essential Thinkers - Socrates
You see Sibyyl, your philosophy is not the only one in the world. Nor is it the only philosophy that has won battles and emerged victorious through wars. It is however the easiest philosophy for cowards to hide behind
And that is why we see ONLY YOUR type of philosophy on these forums so often, even though there are so many others to choose from.
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1962
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Posted - 2014.06.02 12:39:00 -
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Wow, you're just as bad as all the other people around here. "try not to be such a worthless forum dwelling piece of ****. Nobody needs to hear your worthless 2 cents." - Priestess Lin, per mail.
What an upstanding human being, isn't she? :) |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1138
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Posted - 2014.06.02 12:45:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Wow, you're just as bad as all the other people around here.
Maybe you should try posting something relevant to the topic of this thread, then you won't blend in so well with everyone else either.
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1138
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Posted - 2014.06.02 12:45:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:OP, if you want solo pvp, come to black rise.
Not sure about cruisers and up (haven't tried yet), but if you undock a frig or dessy you'll get plenty of fights.
If you're good (both game and meta-game), you'll kill more than you lose. In any case you'll have fun.
You'll find plenty of 1v1s, but it's fun and challenging to take on1v many too.
I will keep that in mind.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6574
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Posted - 2014.06.02 12:55:00 -
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I barely read the OP, but the gist of it seems to be that this guy is wondering why people don't just walk out in front of his guns so he can shoot them.
The answer is simple: walking/flying out in front of someone's guns is stupid gameplay. Most people aren't stupid. It has next to nothing to do with cowardice or bravery. Preventing loss while making other people lose is THE name of the game not only in any game's pvp, but in any real life conflict as well. You can go and die for your country, I'm gonna live for mine lol.
You want fights, make them fight. Trick them into fighting. Bait them into fighting. But whatever you do stop complaining about your inability to compel a fight. |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1138
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Posted - 2014.06.02 12:56:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:I barely read the OP, but the gist of it seems to be that this guy is wondering why people don't just walk out in front of his guns so he can shoot them.
That is far from the gist of it, maybe you should read a little more.
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Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3272
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Posted - 2014.06.02 13:02:00 -
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While we're on the subject of quoting....
Valor is of no service, chance rules all, and the bravest often fall by the hands of cowards. ~Tacitus
Risk aversion pervades all of EVE. High, low, nul, wh, all of it. There are many factors at play here, not the least of which are hubris, experience, cynicism, underlying attitude, and pride. Personally, I come out to fight whenever possible. The older players run away and hide from me more than the newer ones, unless they have reams of backup and a confirmed victory before trying anything. We, at RIGID, have ways of making things look like victory is more confirmed than it is for players like that, which often results in flying spittle and a long list of excuses.
Here's what I know: there is a trend, that I have witnessed, and observed closely, over the two years that I have played this game. New players that haven't yet been enthralled by the captive embrace of some highsec scrublord with a mining corp who just wants to extort taxes out of other players will usually be more willing to try their hand at exciting PVP than older players who just assume everything is a trap. This is not entirely unjustified, however, I assure you that in doing so, they are missing out on many a good fight. I fought a Myrmidon today with a wartarget that wanted to 1v1 me. I had no idea he was bringing a Myrmidon, I prepared for a possible trap by having alliance friends standing by and camping his only escape if he tried anything silly, and I waited for him on the sun in my Ishkur. When he landed, I can't say I didn't **** myself a little, but I fought him anyway.
He, along with a few other wartargets, have been joining us in our public channel, where we've been giving them PVP and fitting tips to perform better. As a result, they may become interested in joining us. They may not. At the very least, they are demonstrating a keen enthusiasm for PVP the likes of which I rarely see from vets. The Myrmidon pilot is a 2014 toon, by the way, and already knew enough to go after my drones, and give me one helluva fight. I admit, there were a few moments in that fight where I thought he'd kill me. And I didn't care, because the fight itself was fracking awesome.
And I think that's the crux of the issue, really - when did people stop enjoying the fight? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1962
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Posted - 2014.06.02 13:13:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Wow, you're just as bad as all the other people around here. I just like the PVP war in forum form. I mean, why back down and let people like this get away with their manipulating of facts and ideologies for their own agendas? Don't people here get tired of that? I see you edited the post. I like this one much better.
People mostly don't seem to realize what they are doing. People speak in opinions much more than in observable facts and possibilities. That's why this thread is as pointless as 99% of all threads.
Even if somebody talks about observable reality, they still misjudge it as opinion.
Trying to point out observable reality is like dropping a bucket of clean water into an oil infested ocean. And to make matters worse, the worst of these people ... like IZ, Erotica and many others ... ... will not stop trying to manipulate people for their own liking to create the reactions and opinions they want.
They can't be beaten this way. Forums are bad for learning something, as soon as too many people participate and lack discipline.
The truth (observable reality) will always drown in irrelevancy. (opinions) "try not to be such a worthless forum dwelling piece of ****. Nobody needs to hear your worthless 2 cents." - Priestess Lin, per mail.
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Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2276
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Posted - 2014.06.02 13:19:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:
Forums are bad for learning something, as soon as too many people participate and lack discipline.
edi - oh wait, there's an extraCR/LF in there ... kinda changes the whole gist of what you said.
Yeah, agreed that there's (in general) too much postulating and politics throughout the forums. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
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