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Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.11.17 13:54:00 -
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From what they're saying, CCP has nerfed the torpedos right out of the Naga, rendering it solely a gunboat now. Personally, my only interest in it was as a torpedo platform... with this change I personally have completely lost interest in the ship. This isn't a whine or complaint... it simply isn't a direction I wish to go in.
How about the rest of you... you prefer the Naga as solely a gunboat, or are your dreams of a torpedo launcher now as dead as your interest in the ship? Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
40
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Posted - 2011.11.17 13:55:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:From what they're saying, CCP has nerfed the torpedos right out of the Naga, rendering it solely a gunboat now. Personally, my only interest in it was as a torpedo platform... with this change I personally have completely lost interest in the ship. This isn't a whine or complaint... it simply isn't a direction I wish to go in.
How about the rest of you... you prefer the Naga as solely a gunboat, or are your dreams of a torpedo launcher now as dead as your interest in the ship? i have no monacle.... so... i see no problem here |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
80
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Posted - 2011.11.17 13:58:00 -
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Naga. Naga!? I have no Naga. |
BuckStrider
Hardcore p0wnography Cascade Probable
2
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Posted - 2011.11.17 13:59:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:From what they're saying, CCP has nerfed the torpedos right out of the Naga, rendering it solely a gunboat now. Personally, my only interest in it was as a torpedo platform... with this change I personally have completely lost interest in the ship. This isn't a whine or complaint... it simply isn't a direction I wish to go in.
How about the rest of you... you prefer the Naga as solely a gunboat, or are your dreams of a torpedo launcher now as dead as your interest in the ship?
I hear the Rokh is kinda fun |
Terminal Entry
New Fnord Industries
6
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Posted - 2011.11.17 14:04:00 -
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There are four weapon systems (not counting drones), Hybrids, Lasers, Projectile and Missiles, it would be nice to have one of them a Missile boat, as it stands now two of them will be Hybrid based.
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Nyio
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
254
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Posted - 2011.11.17 14:10:00 -
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When I first heard about the new ships I didn't think much about it, except that the Naga would probably be a cool missile/shield ship and the Gallente version for drones/armor. Now that I've seen them both I can only note that these new ships are not meant for me nor my playstyle.
Tl;Dr: Not excited. F&ID: Skill Training, Agent Finder What is CCP Guard gonna do with that grenade? |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off Coalition of the Unfortunate
75
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Posted - 2011.11.17 14:10:00 -
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Missile skills take a significant amount of SP investment for Caldari pilots, what with most Caldari ships focusing on them.
It would have been better had the Naga remained with the option for torpedos. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
184
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Posted - 2011.11.17 14:13:00 -
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I am looking forward to a better rail platform. My understanding was that it has enough bonuses right now to make it a good rail platform...and I really miss my rails. Support our boobies!-áLINKY! |
DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
336
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Posted - 2011.11.17 14:16:00 -
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It may be a better ship now, but it isn't as exciting. |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
436
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Posted - 2011.11.17 14:18:00 -
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I wish it got real Weapons. =/ |
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
188
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Posted - 2011.11.17 14:44:00 -
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They could not nerf Naga it was never on TQ |
Sam Bowein
Sense Amid Madness
17
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Posted - 2011.11.17 14:53:00 -
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I think CCP chose the easiest way to deal with the Naga.
Making a viable missile t3 BC would mean fixing cruise and torps |
Jenshae Chiroptera
191
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Posted - 2011.11.17 14:53:00 -
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Naga + cruise missiles would be nice. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
Ripperljohn
Ore Mongers
10
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Posted - 2011.11.17 14:55:00 -
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With bonuses atm Naga will deal around 700 dps@ 70km.
wanted torps at start, but this will be funnier.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
300
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Posted - 2011.11.17 16:23:00 -
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With all the other tweaks that are going in, I think it was wise to focus the Naga on one weapons system or the other. I can see a case for either weapons system, but frankly there are viable platforms for missiles already... there really isn't one (commonly recognized) as being a good rail platform.
When you consider the nature of Rails, which are frankly better at ranges where you can use your more damaging short/mid range ammo while every body else is using their long range ammo to return fire, the Naga 's realtive speed and agility make it a good choice as a rail boat. It can do the sniper role from "extreme" range when necessary, but that would be a waste of the weapons system and the capabilities of the ship itself.
All and all I think the most interesting choice. We'll have to see how it stacks up against a rail outfitted Talos, as it would be a shame if the Talos made the Naga redundant with it's primariy weapons system.
What are the new bonuses? I haven't checked them out yet. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Nyio
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
254
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Posted - 2011.11.17 16:52:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:What are the new bonuses? I haven't checked them out yet.
The Naga is a Tier 3 Battlecruiser that sacrifices durability for the ability to fit large (Battleship-grade) weapons.
Traits Battlecruiser Skill bonus per level: 5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage 10% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret optimal range
Role Bonus: 95% reduction in the powergrid need of Large Hybrid Turrets 50% reduction in the CPU need of Large Hybrid Turrets 50% reduction in the capacitor need of Large Hybrid Turrets
Development The Naga was designed in YC 109 by Corporate Police Force as an anti-Guristas ship, sacrificing the usual robust Caldari Navy standards in favor of supporting battleship-class weaponry. It was rejected by Hyasyoda management for being overspecialized.
The Naga design remained in the Hyasyoda archives, forgotten (save for a cameo in the Gallente holo-series CPF Blue). In YC 113 the Caldari Navy entertained contracts for a new tier of gunboat battlecruiser. Hyasyoda quickly submitted and won with the Naga, underbidding both Kaalakiota and Ishukone.
The Naga is effective in any campaign where fast, mobile firepower is required. F&ID: Skill Training, Agent Finder What is CCP Guard gonna do with that grenade? |
Havegun Willtravel
Mobile Alcohol Processing Units
4
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Posted - 2011.11.17 17:05:00 -
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As it stands now it's a very nice gun boat, but honestly I don't think that was what anyone wanted.
Every race has a few ships that have a launcher high or 2 but it truly is Caldari's main weapon system.
The simple question is this. How many Caldari pilots have torp's or cruise 5 trained vs large hybrid 5 ? Every other race got to play to their main weapon systems strengths except the Caldari.
As it stands I can see the Naga being more popular with Galente pilots than Caldari. |
Opertone
Signal 7
10
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Posted - 2011.11.17 17:08:00 -
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Ok, CPP, this is how you treat us?
I will not come before the patch, nor after... You promised you'd give it. |
OT Smithers
Buccaneer's Den
11
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Posted - 2011.11.17 22:24:00 -
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Sam Bowein wrote:I think CCP chose the easiest way to deal with the Naga. Making a viable missile t3 BC would mean fixing cruise and torps
Yep.
So much for CCP's new direction. This BS tells you all you need to know about that. |
OT Smithers
Buccaneer's Den
11
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Posted - 2011.11.17 22:27:00 -
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Havegun Willtravel wrote:As it stands now it's a very nice gun boat, but honestly I don't think that was what anyone wanted.
Every race has a few ships that have a launcher high or 2 but it truly is Caldari's main weapon system.
The simple question is this. How many Caldari pilots have torp's or cruise 5 trained vs large hybrid 5 ? Every other race got to play to their main weapon systems strengths except the Caldari.
As it stands I can see the Naga being more popular with Galente pilots than Caldari.
Obviously. It's not even a Caldari ship. It's a second Gallente BC. The typical Gallente pilot, even assuming they lacked any Caldari ship command skills at all, could be flying this baby maxed out in a week. The typical Caldari pilot, having no hybrid skills or gunnery skills to speak of, is looking at five or six months to use this ship properly. It's ridiculous. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1537
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Posted - 2011.11.17 22:28:00 -
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It's still the best-looking of the tier-3s, so yesGǪ GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Augustus Royal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.17 22:43:00 -
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(I doubt this post will have any weight on this thread and it might make delicious troll bait... but)
As a relatively new EVE player (read tons about the game for a few years before trying), and as a pilot that focuses on Missiles...
I am disappoint :( |
Super Chair
Hell's Revenge Flatline.
29
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Posted - 2011.11.17 22:56:00 -
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Naga is everything a hybrid boat should be, shield tanked, damage bonus, range bonus. |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
116
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:00:00 -
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Rail Naga - 700 DPS at 100 km. Deal with it, pathetic whingeing Caldari carebears. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
208
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:01:00 -
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Super Chair wrote:Naga is everything a hybrid boat should be, shield tanked, damage bonus, range bonus.
I think the problem is a lot of mission bears were looking forward to an 8 torp platform to farm missions with.
In CCP's mind, this would have been the ONLY ship in game that fielded 8 torps (don't talk about the state raven or whatever it is theres like 4 left in game, all likely locked in an unsubbed hangar).
The DPS output from 8 torp launchers would have unbalanced so much that they decided not to do it, or if they did the ship would have needed to be seriously gimped in its fitting ability, so much so that people would have whined about that instead.
So, you get the Rokhs little brother instead of the ship that outclasses the Raven and Golem in every way.
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Archare
SKEET ELITE
2
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:02:00 -
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Havegun Willtravel wrote:As it stands now it's a very nice gun boat, but honestly I don't think that was what anyone wanted.
Every race has a few ships that have a launcher high or 2 but it truly is Caldari's main weapon system.
The simple question is this. How many Caldari pilots have torp's or cruise 5 trained vs large hybrid 5 ? Every other race got to play to their main weapon systems strengths except the Caldari.
As it stands I can see the Naga being more popular with Galente pilots than Caldari.
As a Gallente pilot I for one am more excited about the Naga than the Talos, and by excited I mean... meh. |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
119
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:06:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:Rail Naga - 700 DPS at 100 km. Deal with it, pathetic whingeing Caldari carebears. You keep posting everything I intend to before me.
Damnit. |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
119
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:14:00 -
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OT Smithers wrote:. The typical Caldari pilot, having no hybrid skills or gunnery skills to speak of, is looking at five or six months to use this ship properly. It's ridiculous.
And who's fault is that?
Caldari have been using Hybrids since the game started.
Every ship any noob has encountered has presented the race as both missiles and hybrids- not secondary, but both equal in terms of use in space.
This is not like it is with Minmatar and missiles, rails are and always have been just as important to Caldari as missiles. The ONLY reason that you haven't seen them trained is because CCP has ignored hybrids for going on 3 years... until now.
Since the Rokh, Caldari has received nothing but missile bonused ships. Golem. Scorpion Navy Issue. Tengu.
The motherfucking Tengu.
The Caldari T3 ship is a missile ship.
Shut the **** up you have a goddamned Tengu. Whining bitches.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
81
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:16:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Since the Rokh, Caldari has received nothing but missile bonused ships. Golem. Scorpion Navy Issue. Tengu. The motherfucking Tengu. The Caldari T3 ship is a missile ship. Shut the **** up you have a goddamned Tengu. Whining bitches. Doesn't the Tengu have a hybrid subsystem? |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
208
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:17:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: Doesn't the Tengu have a hybrid subsystem?
Its pretty underwhelming, and it wouldn't surprise me to find out it was the least used sub system in game.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1539
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:26:00 -
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OT Smithers wrote:The typical Caldari pilot, having no hybrid skills or gunnery skills to speak of, is looking at five or six months to use this ship properly. It's ridiculous. Eh, what?
Assuming we use T2 as some silly (and rather incorrect) measure of GǣproperlyGǥ, that'sGǪ
Small, Medium, Large hybrids, Gunnery, Motion Prediction and Sharpshooter to V (14 ranks, 3.6M SP) Small, Medium, and Large Blaster/Rail spec to IV (32 ranks, 1.5M SP) The remaining support skills to IV (13 ranks, 0.6M SP)
That 5.6M SP total to train, which can be done in less than 90 days. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
87
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:34:00 -
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To be fair, it was terrible as a missile boat.
Oops I moved, sorry, your 8 torps just caused 60 damage to my Claymore. Anastasia -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á Dominique-á-á Mashie -á-á Monica |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
89
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:47:00 -
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I'll be getting one of each for hangar decor, hopefully they are also worth flying. |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
250
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:50:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:From what they're saying, CCP has nerfed the torpedos right out of the Naga, rendering it solely a gunboat now. Personally, my only interest in it was as a torpedo platform... with this change I personally have completely lost interest in the ship. This isn't a whine or complaint... it simply isn't a direction I wish to go in.
How about the rest of you... you prefer the Naga as solely a gunboat, or are your dreams of a torpedo launcher now as dead as your interest in the ship?
Agreed!
Why are there TWO blaster boats when CCP Tallest says that Blaster still aren't fixed ...
I REALLY wanted a TORP boat! Repair Drones should be able to repair anyone ... really, they should. -áThink of them as the first targetable subsystem if you're worried about PvP and for missions if someone wants Rep drones over a flight of Hobs, who cares. -áThere is no reasonable objection here other than it's always been that way (so was RR until recently). |
Just Lilly
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:51:00 -
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Put a SB with scan res script and a AB on you raven and you'll have a Ranaga |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
143
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:54:00 -
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Thank you CCP for officially recognizing that torpedoes suck.
As I'm currently in a Hurricane (I spent about 2 weeks training all T1 turrets plus gunnery skills to 4), I'm more likely to be in a Tornado than a Naga now. |
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
88
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Posted - 2011.11.18 00:27:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Thank you CCP for officially recognizing that torpedoes suck.
As I'm currently in a Hurricane (I spent about 2 weeks training all T1 turrets plus gunnery skills to 4), I'm more likely to be in a Tornado than a Naga now. I'm glad that you finally have seen the light. Anastasia -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á Dominique-á-á Mashie -á-á Monica |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
184
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Posted - 2011.11.18 00:34:00 -
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10 bucks says those things would have been bigger lagtastics than Drakes and that's the real reason why they yanked the missiles launchers.
It would take too long to gank Hulks with them.
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Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
120
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Posted - 2011.11.18 00:57:00 -
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Doesn't the Tengu have a hybrid subsystem?[/quote] not even worth mentioning.
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Amsterdam Conversations
Cheesecake Starshine
59
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Posted - 2011.11.18 01:03:00 -
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I was having great fun with it having torps on. You could literally fit anything to it, 2 jammers, web+scram, tracking disruptor... But oh well. |
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Shivus Tao
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
58
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Posted - 2011.11.18 01:06:00 -
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Naga has a spinning radar. It is officially one of the best ships in the game. |
Kietay Ayari
Monopoly Money Operations
45
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Posted - 2011.11.18 01:29:00 -
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I was sad that it lost its torpedoes and I would have hoped it got a full bonus for both weapon systems. But if it is between split bonuses or the pure rail platform it is now... I will take what it is now! :D Ferox #1 |
Cambarus
Clearly Compensating
29
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Posted - 2011.11.18 02:19:00 -
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ITT a bunch of people complain that the naga got a boost that makes it arguably the best sniping ship in the game. |
St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
150
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Posted - 2011.11.18 05:22:00 -
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But I wanted selectable damage typessss Q_Q (Also I already had T2 Torps trained! My brilliant plans have been foiled!) |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
336
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Posted - 2011.11.18 06:33:00 -
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As it is right now the Naga can put out the same amount of DPS the Rokh can, with less mags. And nearly as far as the Rokh as well.
Oh, and its a RAIL platform. The talos, afaik, is a BLASTER platform. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Written Word
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
130
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Posted - 2011.11.18 06:39:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:As it is right now the Naga can put out the same amount of DPS the Rokh can, with less mags. And nearly as far as the Rokh as well.
Oh, and its a RAIL platform. The talos, afaik, is a BLASTER platform.
Because the Rokh is the DPS yardstick that all of EVE compares itself too. Right?
Right?
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Onictus
Legendary Knights Vorpal's Edge
32
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Posted - 2011.11.18 06:43:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:As it is right now the Naga can put out the same amount of DPS the Rokh can, with less mags. And nearly as far as the Rokh as well.
Oh, and its a RAIL platform. The talos, afaik, is a BLASTER platform.
Oddly it'll still be a better blaster ship than Talos will, something about an added 10km with blasters over its Gallente counterpart.
If is was going to use rails (lol yeah right) Id use Talos for that, tracking + damage is superior for big rails that can hit to lock with short range ammo anyway.
However, I'm a split Gallente/Matar pilot, so I'll be in a Tornado if I'm in any tier 3.....only way to be sure. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
336
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Posted - 2011.11.18 06:45:00 -
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Written Word wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:As it is right now the Naga can put out the same amount of DPS the Rokh can, with less mags. And nearly as far as the Rokh as well.
Oh, and its a RAIL platform. The talos, afaik, is a BLASTER platform. Because the Rokh is the DPS yardstick that all of EVE compares itself too. Right? Right?
So you would say that would it be perfectly fine for me to compare the Naga with the Maelstrom? Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Trainwreck McGee
Ghost Ship Inc.
131
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Posted - 2011.11.18 06:46:00 -
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I could care less
TORNADO BABY CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Kietay Ayari
Monopoly Money Operations
45
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Posted - 2011.11.18 07:19:00 -
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I bet the Naga will beat all the others because it is Caldari engineering and I think we all know that means best engineering ;D Ferox #1 |
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
336
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Posted - 2011.11.18 07:43:00 -
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Kietay Ayari wrote:I bet the Naga will beat all the others because it is Caldari engineering and I think we all know that means best engineering ;D
Oh i see what you did there!
/me does House's "I see what you did there!" face. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Botleten
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2011.11.18 07:48:00 -
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If you want a missile boat for pve, theres already the drake, tengu, and raven which do the job more efficiently than the Naga would have anyways. If you want missiles for pvp, then you're an idiot because missiles are horrible for pvp. Im glad its a hybrid platform, as it may actually have some usefulness rather than being yet another missile boat thats not even as effective as the ones already available. |
Zions Child
Odyssey Inc SpaceMonkey's Alliance
133
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Posted - 2011.11.18 08:38:00 -
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You know what? I have more SP in gunnery skills than in missle skills, and I'm an '06 Caldari pilot, and I tend to fly just Caldari ships. I can't wait for the Naga, I'm going to have so much fun with a real rail platform. |
Kietay Ayari
Monopoly Money Operations
45
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Posted - 2011.11.18 08:57:00 -
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The Rokh will be good after the update too Zions ;D Teamwork is the Caldari way! Ferox #1 |
Written Word
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
131
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Posted - 2011.11.18 09:10:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Written Word wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:As it is right now the Naga can put out the same amount of DPS the Rokh can, with less mags. And nearly as far as the Rokh as well.
Oh, and its a RAIL platform. The talos, afaik, is a BLASTER platform. Because the Rokh is the DPS yardstick that all of EVE compares itself too. Right? Right? So you would say that would it be perfectly fine for me to compare the Naga with the Maelstrom?
Saying its almost as good as one of the worst DPS dealing battleships in the game isn't a point in the favor.
The Rokh is a terrible ship, and having a pocket sized one of those won't make it anything in this game better. The hybrid Naga won't deal the damage of the Talos, it won't have the damage projection of the Oracle/Tornado. If you are feeling stupid, I suppose you could try sniping in it, but with the lowest alpha and the current state of scan probing, do you really think this is a good idea?
With torps, you could have gotten a massive gank platform with decent range and changeable damage types. Easily the best anti-capital one of the bunch. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
224
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Posted - 2011.11.18 09:44:00 -
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Written Word wrote:
The hybrid Naga won't deal the damage of the Talos,
Its very close, and more agile than the talos, AND holds a better buffer tank while doing it.
Written Word wrote: it won't have the damage projection of the Oracle/Tornado.
The tornado is ****, put it out of your mind for damage projection, it struggles to even fit a full 1400 kit.
The Oracle holds about 500 dps at 170km, while the Naga holds nearly 600 dps at 190km, meaning its using a higher damage ammo at 170km and out dpsing the oracle at the same range as the oracles max
Written Word wrote: If you are feeling stupid, I suppose you could try sniping in it, but with the lowest alpha and the current state of scan probing, do you really think this is a good idea?
Yes, its literally the best sniper in the game right now, you load antimatter and shoot for anything under 130km.
If your only metric of what makes a long range ship good is alpha then you are sorely misinformed on what makes a ship good, the Naga is one of the better of the new BC's, its a split between the Naga and the Oracle right now.
You'd know that if you spent any time on the test server trying things but instead your on EVE O making terrible posts.
Written Word wrote:
With torps, you could have gotten a massive gank platform with decent range and changeable damage types. Easily the best anti-capital one of the bunch.
But it somehow missed your notice that there aren't any 8 torp launching platforms ANYWHERE in the game right now, and you don't see it as odd that the first one they might introduce was a battlecruiser?
They weren't going to make it better than the Raven or Golem, and it would have been had this change gone through, infact, it would have had the firepower greater than a navy raven with its old layout, and thats kinda broken in too many ways. |
Kietay Ayari
Monopoly Money Operations
45
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Posted - 2011.11.18 09:56:00 -
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I like your support of the Naga, Grath. But I have a question for you! Not that I am saying you are wrong I am just curious to why the Naga and Talos do not have exactly the same damage since they both use the same weapons and have a 5% damage bonus? :o
I want one sooo bad D: Ferox #1 |
Imajitaaltofanalt ofanalt
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.11.18 09:59:00 -
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Kietay Ayari wrote:I like your support of the Naga, Grath. But I have a question for you! Not that I am saying you are wrong I am just curious to why the Naga and Talos do not have exactly the same damage since they both use the same weapons and have a 5% damage bonus? :o
I want one sooo bad D:
talos does 1200 dps for me, naga 710, talos has crap tank, naga has good buffer. naga is faster, talos has drones.
Tbh, naga is a mean blaster boat... talos needs one less mid and one more low |
Foster Kincade
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.11.18 10:16:00 -
[59] - Quote
Trainwreck McGee wrote:I could care less
so are you saying that you actually care about this subject or do you intend to say you couldn't care less?
on topic, I neither care for or against this change. I will wait till they release on TQ with the final bonuses and give all four ships a try. |
Zoe Alarhun
The Proactive Reappropriation Corporation
54
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Posted - 2011.11.18 10:21:00 -
[60] - Quote
Mini Rokh - DO WANT. |
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Kietay Ayari
Monopoly Money Operations
45
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:03:00 -
[61] - Quote
Imajitaaltofanalt ofanalt wrote:Kietay Ayari wrote:I like your support of the Naga, Grath. But I have a question for you! Not that I am saying you are wrong I am just curious to why the Naga and Talos do not have exactly the same damage since they both use the same weapons and have a 5% damage bonus? :o
I want one sooo bad D: talos does 1200 dps for me, naga 710, talos has crap tank, naga has good buffer. naga is faster, talos has drones. Tbh, naga is a mean blaster boat... talos needs one less mid and one more low
Naga does 710 with rails while the Talos does 1200 with blasters or what? I don't want your DPS number D: I want it explained why two ships with the same weapons and the same number of those weapons and the same damage bonus will do different amounts of damage o_O
Thank you in advance! Ferox #1 |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
209
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:28:00 -
[62] - Quote
Kietay Ayari wrote:Imajitaaltofanalt ofanalt wrote:Kietay Ayari wrote:I like your support of the Naga, Grath. But I have a question for you! Not that I am saying you are wrong I am just curious to why the Naga and Talos do not have exactly the same damage since they both use the same weapons and have a 5% damage bonus? :o
I want one sooo bad D: talos does 1200 dps for me, naga 710, talos has crap tank, naga has good buffer. naga is faster, talos has drones. Tbh, naga is a mean blaster boat... talos needs one less mid and one more low Naga does 710 with rails while the Talos does 1200 with blasters or what? I don't want your DPS number D: I want it explained why two ships with the same weapons and the same number of those weapons and the same damage bonus will do different amounts of damage o_O Thank you in advance!
One is meant to dmg over time, one is meant to blow or die immediately
One is meant to shield tank and have good dps/tank, one is intended to armor tank but it's so crapy the only way you can make it work properly is to shield fit it, making the last one nothing interesting useful for other purpose than gank.
If this SISI build is the final one OC.
Edit: 1 TE 4 MFS in lows help a lot to get those 1200dps but you'll have less than 20K EHP before fleet bonus, implants, boosters. |
Songbird
38
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:28:00 -
[63] - Quote
Augustus Royal wrote:(I doubt this post will have any weight on this thread and it might make delicious troll bait... but)
As a relatively new EVE player (read tons about the game for a few years before trying), and as a pilot that focuses on Missiles...
I am disappoint :(
missiles have that effect on people - train gunnery for proper satisfaction. |
Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army
182
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:36:00 -
[64] - Quote
Damn, guess all I have left is the 100MN AB Tornado and the Sniper Oracle.
Poor Naga is ruined before its even released.
Heretic Army CEO Host of Frigfry Fridays
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Kietay Ayari
Monopoly Money Operations
45
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:39:00 -
[65] - Quote
Tanya Powers wrote:
One is meant to dmg over time, one is meant to blow or die immediately
One is meant to shield tank and have good dps/tank, one is intended to armor tank but it's so crapy the only way you can make it work properly is to shield fit it, making the last one nothing interesting useful for other purpose than gank.
If this SISI build is the final one OC.
Edit: 1 TE 4 MFS in lows help a lot to get those 1200dps but you'll have less than 20K EHP before fleet bonus, implants, boosters.
Sigh... I do not want to know what one has or what it does O_________________O What I want to know is why with the same weapons does one do more damage? Are you fitting more damage mods on the Talos? enough to increase its DPS by 500? What is the -reason- that the Talos does 500 more DPS when they have the same weapons and bonuses.
I do not know if I am not explaining this right or if someone just does not know the answer :|
Ferox #1 |
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
321
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:39:00 -
[66] - Quote
Is the Naga [x] dead to you [ ] still excited for it
Basically it's just a stealth boost to Gallente pilots that can already field battleships as training Caldari Cruiser IV is peanuts compared to training Large Railgun Specialization.
Many if not most Caldari pilots use autocannons instead of hybrids on some of their ships and/or have trained Amarr/Minmatar ships to get some versatility. |
crazy Maken
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:52:00 -
[67] - Quote
@Kietay
The reason why the Talos does more damage is because it is a blaster platform ie. short range, high damage. The naga is now a rail platform ie. long range, less damage. |
Kietay Ayari
Monopoly Money Operations
45
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Posted - 2011.11.18 12:06:00 -
[68] - Quote
Ok... so when people say the Talos does more damage its because they have blasters and not rails fitted to it -__- that is a ridiculous comparison. The Naga can fit Blasters as well :| Ferox #1 |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
210
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Posted - 2011.11.18 12:22:00 -
[69] - Quote
Kietay Ayari wrote:Ok... so when people say the Talos does more damage its because they have blasters and not rails fitted to it -__- that is a ridiculous comparison. The Naga can fit Blasters as well :|
Ship bonus? -slots layout?
You have to look at it has a whole, not just some eft/pyfa numbers.
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Feyrin
Contracts Inc Property Management Solutions
1
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Posted - 2011.11.18 13:46:00 -
[70] - Quote
Amarr pilot here, training large projectiles currently. Will start training large rails once complete for the naga. Cry all you want but the naga is excellent now for its intended role. At 100km you are still fairly safe from on grid probing and the sustained damage the naga deals is great. Sorry to the missile only caldari players but rails are your weapon system, be glad you have a new ship the can use them well. |
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FlameGlow
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2011.11.18 14:07:00 -
[71] - Quote
Cambarus wrote:ITT a bunch of people complain that the naga got a boost that makes it arguably the best sniping ship in the game.
Being best at something not used doesn't really amount to much, long range sniping was killed by probing, mid-range sniping is dominated by arties because alpha strike |
oldmanst4r
oldmanst4r's Corporation
25
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:00:00 -
[72] - Quote
Hi I am Naga fleet, I am cheap and do F**Ktons of dps. I am BETTR THAN DRAEK FLEET!!! |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
52
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:04:00 -
[73] - Quote
oldmanst4r wrote:Hi I am Naga fleet, I am cheap and do F**Ktons of dps. I am BETTR THAN DRAEK FLEET!!!
Hi Im a tornado , i have enough buddies to instapopp you anytime anywhere. |
m0cking bird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:09:00 -
[74] - Quote
So what!? Oracal (Tach) can insta pop sh!t too. |
TrollFace TrololMcFluf
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
45
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Posted - 2011.11.18 18:24:00 -
[75] - Quote
caldari tears aka carebear tears BEST TEARS |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
4
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Posted - 2011.11.18 19:15:00 -
[76] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: Doesn't the Tengu have a hybrid subsystem?
Its pretty underwhelming, and it wouldn't surprise me to find out it was the least used sub system in game.
You're right. I have NEVER seen a tengu with hybrids....ever. I've seen more tengus with tractor beems fitted. Maybe after Crucible I might see one or two on rare occassions. |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
129
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Posted - 2011.11.18 19:56:00 -
[77] - Quote
Sobaan Tali wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: Doesn't the Tengu have a hybrid subsystem?
Its pretty underwhelming, and it wouldn't surprise me to find out it was the least used sub system in game. You're right. I have NEVER seen a tengu with hybrids....ever. I've seen more tengus with tractor beems fitted. Maybe after Crucible I might see one or two on rare occassions. You know, with the hybrid changes, having a subsystem that gives 5% damage but 20%.. yes 20% optimal per level might be workable.
I'm at work so can't EFT this or whathaveyou:
[Tengrail] Supplemental Screening Dissolution Sequencer Power Core Multiplier Magnetic Infusion Basin Fuel Catalyst
That gives you 6/6/4, I'm not sure if you can fir 6 250s or if you'd need to use 200s. I'll find out when I get home. |
Liang Nuren
Perkone Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:08:00 -
[78] - Quote
Ingvar Angst wrote:From what they're saying, CCP has nerfed the torpedos right out of the Naga, rendering it solely a gunboat now. Personally, my only interest in it was as a torpedo platform... with this change I personally have completely lost interest in the ship. This isn't a whine or complaint... it simply isn't a direction I wish to go in.
How about the rest of you... you prefer the Naga as solely a gunboat, or are your dreams of a torpedo launcher now as dead as your interest in the ship?
Kinda excited... I was gonna use the Hype for sniping (8 turrets, 5% damage) but the Naga makes it obsolete. (8 turrets, 5% damage, 10% optimal). Probably the best sniper in the entire game.
-Liang |
Eva Blacklist
Tax Free Corporation II
0
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:11:00 -
[79] - Quote
For me,the excitement of the expansion was the Naga plus torpedoes. To be frank, if I wanted a gun-based boat it would be the Oracle (which is major sexy). It appears the management of CCP continues to be out-of-touch with a part of its player base. |
Cambarus
Clearly Compensating
30
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:29:00 -
[80] - Quote
Eva Blacklist wrote:For me,the excitement of the expansion was the Naga plus torpedoes. To be frank, if I wanted a gun-based boat it would be the Oracle (which is major sexy). It appears the management of CCP continues to be out-of-touch with a part of its player base. Quite the opposite, the naga was by far the worst tier 3 bc, now it isn't. People pointed out that the split weapon system was terrible, and CCP listened. |
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Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army
182
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:44:00 -
[81] - Quote
TrollFace TrololMcFluf wrote:caldari tears aka carebear tears BEST TEARS
Your logic is faulty.
I have never PVE'd once since playing this game, and I fly Caldari.
Caldari is the best race for PVP. Heretic Army CEO Host of Frigfry Fridays
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Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
130
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:46:00 -
[82] - Quote
Eva Blacklist wrote:For me,the excitement of the expansion was the Naga plus torpedoes. To be frank, if I wanted a gun-based boat it would be the Oracle (which is major sexy). It appears the management of CCP continues to be out-of-touch with a part of its player base.
The Naga is now competitive instead of another lolCaldari ship.
CCP has listened to a long neglected, much larger part of its playerbase and a huge part of Caldari/Gallente gameplay.
You don't know this because you started playing eve around the time hybrids became completely useless.
I don't know how to explain this.. it's like trying to explain life before the internet to a person under 20. There's a whole big part of Caldari and Gallente playstyles that has been left behind and finally brought to the forefront.
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Princess Cellestia
Friendship is Podding Test Alliance Please Ignore
99
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:49:00 -
[83] - Quote
Cambarus wrote:Eva Blacklist wrote:For me,the excitement of the expansion was the Naga plus torpedoes. To be frank, if I wanted a gun-based boat it would be the Oracle (which is major sexy). It appears the management of CCP continues to be out-of-touch with a part of its player base. Quite the opposite, the naga was by far the worst tier 3 bc, now it isn't. People pointed out that the split weapon system was terrible, and CCP listened.
Listened the wrong way though, should have stuck with torps. Sniping is dead, at 100 you're still well within range of arties and just a few shots and you're dead, way before you do any real damage to an enemy, past 100, you're still screwed because you'll get probed out. Bout the only place you'll see these is low sec gatecamps for sniping industrials. The torp naga was an awesome anti-battleship/anti-cap platform. As for the idea of using these things to do missions or to rat, good luck, the second you get hit with a scram/web frig you're dead, period. |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
130
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:51:00 -
[84] - Quote
Jude Lloyd wrote:TrollFace TrololMcFluf wrote:caldari tears aka carebear tears BEST TEARS Your logic is faulty. I have never PVE'd once since playing this game, and I fly Caldari. Caldari is the best race for PVP.
Quote:Combat record for Jude Lloyd
Favourite prey: Battlecruiser Favourite ship: Imperial Navy Slicer
Kills With:
Crow 5 Caldari Navy Hookbill 2 Imperial Navy Slicer 21 Thrasher 1 Cynabal 33
Okie dokie. Then use Caldari more. |
Christine Peeveepeeski
Rodents of Unusual Size
26
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Posted - 2011.11.18 21:00:00 -
[85] - Quote
Well, I went from being able to fly it with my caldari toon perfectly to not at all. Do I really care? Probably not because the torp raven I fly will do the same job as a torp naga but better (short of slower align).
I will miss flying the new ship just because it's new. May use one as my high sec taxi for a little while slow boat afking around. |
Cambarus
Clearly Compensating
30
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Posted - 2011.11.18 22:19:00 -
[86] - Quote
Princess Cellestia wrote:Cambarus wrote:Eva Blacklist wrote:For me,the excitement of the expansion was the Naga plus torpedoes. To be frank, if I wanted a gun-based boat it would be the Oracle (which is major sexy). It appears the management of CCP continues to be out-of-touch with a part of its player base. Quite the opposite, the naga was by far the worst tier 3 bc, now it isn't. People pointed out that the split weapon system was terrible, and CCP listened. Listened the wrong way though, should have stuck with torps. Sniping is dead, at 100 you're still well within range of arties and just a few shots and you're dead, way before you do any real damage to an enemy, past 100, you're still screwed because you'll get probed out. Bout the only place you'll see these is low sec gatecamps for sniping industrials. The torp naga was an awesome anti-battleship/anti-cap platform. As for the idea of using these things to do missions or to rat, good luck, the second you get hit with a scram/web frig you're dead, period. The effects of probing are lessened considerably by the fact that the tier 3 BCs align much quicker than BSs. What's more is that the whole torp idea was terrible to begin with, you're a shield tanked ship, made of paper, that has to get into megapulse optimal in order to hit anything...
And all this whining from people who fly caldari and don't have gunnery skills is hilarious. Not training hybrids as caldari is like not training drones as gallente. You don't get to whine because CCP boosted a caldari ship in a way that entails using hybrids over missiles. |
Jimmy Caldari
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi
0
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Posted - 2011.11.18 22:37:00 -
[87] - Quote
I can use both rails and torps, but i generally prefer missiles in my caldari, i cross trained minmatar for their guns when i realised how terrible hybrids were. In naga i was hoping for a fantastic torp glass cannon, but now all im gonna get is an eagle with big guns. Hybrids are going to be the domain of the talos, why make naga stick with them too?
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OT Smithers
Buccaneer's Den
19
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Posted - 2011.11.18 22:52:00 -
[88] - Quote
Jimmy Caldari wrote:I can use both rails and torps, but i generally prefer missiles in my caldari, i cross trained minmatar for their guns when i realised how terrible hybrids were. In naga i was hoping for a fantastic torp glass cannon, but now all im gonna get is an eagle with big guns. Hybrids are going to be the domain of the talos, why make naga stick with them too?
Answer: Because this was easier for CCP. And yes, they are (as usual) pretty much ******* Caldari pilots. |
Korg Tronix
Heretic Army
8
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Posted - 2011.11.18 22:56:00 -
[89] - Quote
Vincent Gaines wrote:Jude Lloyd wrote:TrollFace TrololMcFluf wrote:caldari tears aka carebear tears BEST TEARS Your logic is faulty. I have never PVE'd once since playing this game, and I fly Caldari. Caldari is the best race for PVP. Quote:Combat record for Jude Lloyd
Favourite prey: Battlecruiser Favourite ship: Imperial Navy Slicer
Kills With:
Crow 5 Caldari Navy Hookbill 2 Imperial Navy Slicer 21 Thrasher 1 Cynabal 33
Okie dokie. Then use Caldari more.
I think you should probably look a little deeper than the last month or so, fairly sure Jude has more kills in a Merlin than I have in total.
Anyway Caldari PVP is great, especially on the frigate level |
OT Smithers
Buccaneer's Den
19
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Posted - 2011.11.18 22:57:00 -
[90] - Quote
Jimmy Caldari wrote:I can use both rails and torps, but i generally prefer missiles in my caldari, i cross trained minmatar for their guns when i realised how terrible hybrids were. In naga i was hoping for a fantastic torp glass cannon, but now all im gonna get is an eagle with big guns. Hybrids are going to be the domain of the talos, why make naga stick with them too?
Answer: Because this was easier for CCP.
And yes, they are (as usual) screwing Caldari pilots. |
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Jacob Stov
3
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Posted - 2011.11.18 22:59:00 -
[91] - Quote
Well, it is more or less the Caldari ship I always wanted. Hybrid damage bonus on Caldari T1. But from the first second I saw this totally fugly piece of crap I knew I would never fly it.
Tornado looks better, shoots better, runs better. It could be the best torp boat ever, I would never touch it with a 5m pole. |
Korg Tronix
Heretic Army
8
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Posted - 2011.11.18 23:07:00 -
[92] - Quote
Jacob Stov wrote:Well, it is more or less the Caldari ship I always wanted. Hybrid damage bonus on Caldari T1. But from the first second I saw this totally fugly piece of crap I knew I would never fly it.
Tornado looks better, shoots better, runs better. It could be the best torp boat ever, I would never touch it with a 5m pole.
Tbh as much as I like it as a Hybrid boat, I am kinda sad about it no longer a torp boat....now I will actually need to train Large Hybrids to fit it. |
Jimmy Caldari
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi
0
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Posted - 2011.11.18 23:13:00 -
[93] - Quote
I can already fly talos, now i have virtually no reason at all to fly a naga, despite being really excited until now about it. |
vorneus
Hub2
2
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Posted - 2011.11.18 23:18:00 -
[94] - Quote
So the jist I'm getting from this thread is..
There are a handful of crying Caldari pilots, who only trained missiles despite their race specialising (read, having ships bonused to) both missiles and hybrids, who are complaining because the Naga uses rails. If only there were a way to train new skills :(
Another handful of crying Caldari pilots who like the way missiles look and wanted pretty torpedo explosions. Such a shame no other missile platforms are viable :(
A final handful of crying Caldari pilots who seem to be personally offended and think they're being "screwed" by CCP just because the Naga is a railgun platform, despite rails always being part of the race's armory (hybrid platform in every ship class, much?) No further sarcastic comment for this one :)
A bunch of sensible people happy that there is now a BC rail platform that performs well.
I'll join the last bunch. +1 for the new Naga (and I also happen to think it looks rather dashing).
-Ed |
Shivus Tao
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
62
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Posted - 2011.11.18 23:24:00 -
[95] - Quote
You forgot the group of people who lack taste in clean utilitarian design. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
237
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Posted - 2011.11.18 23:24:00 -
[96] - Quote
Princess Cellestia wrote:
Listened the wrong way though, should have stuck with torps. Sniping is dead, at 100 you're still well within range of arties and just a few shots and you're dead, way before you do any real damage to an enemy, past 100, you're still screwed because you'll get probed out.
Probe all you want, they can't warp in on your until your at 150km anyway, so that leaves a 50km buffer for you to operate in, outside the range of any standardized alpha fleets range.
Inside that 50km envelope the Naga will put out better DPS than any BC platform in the game, and as good as most BS platforms, while being able to maintain a non heated speed of 1800m/s+, with heat they approach vagabond speeds.
The complete lack of game mechanic knowledge in this thread is staggering, including the lolgoon who thinks alpha owns everything, tell me little Goon, when was the last time you were willing to engage an equal number of pulse abbadons with a same sized alpha fleet?
hint: The answer is you never have and you never will, any time the numbers have ever been close you get curb stomped. |
Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
8
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Posted - 2011.11.18 23:26:00 -
[97] - Quote
Korg Tronix wrote:Jacob Stov wrote:Well, it is more or less the Caldari ship I always wanted. Hybrid damage bonus on Caldari T1. But from the first second I saw this totally fugly piece of crap I knew I would never fly it.
Tornado looks better, shoots better, runs better. It could be the best torp boat ever, I would never touch it with a 5m pole. Tbh as much as I like it as a Hybrid boat, I am kinda sad about it no longer a torp boat....now I will actually need to train Large Hybrids to fit it.
That's the correct mentality, TBFH. If you can't fly something you like, you train for it, you don't come crying to the forums asking for mamma.
Btw, I can fly all combat ships under capitals, and I'm happy the naga is a decent hybrid platform. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
237
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Posted - 2011.11.19 02:21:00 -
[98] - Quote
Kietay Ayari wrote:I like your support of the Naga, Grath. But I have a question for you! Not that I am saying you are wrong I am just curious to why the Naga and Talos do not have exactly the same damage since they both use the same weapons and have a 5% damage bonus? :o
I want one sooo bad D:
Sorry, I saw this late, but its likely due strictly to how each ship was fit.
The Talos's 25m3 drone bay definitely makes up SOME of the difference but the rest HAS to be in the fit, because one gets a tracking bonus (Talos) and one gets an optimal bonus (Naga), and both get the 5% damage bonus as you've noted.
Every other difference is going to come from the fit + implants. I'm not exactly sure what he's doing to pump it up to1200 dps, i'll have to try some fits out and see whats what, he could be fitting rails and then blasters, because the numbers SHOULD be identical, he could also be using a fitting tool right now, which is dumb since none of them have accurate numbers on either ship.
I will say that the poster who said the Naga has a better tank is right. It can easily hold a 2x LSE tank whereas the Talos is only fitting a single 1600 plate plus rigs.
The nice thing about both ships is that the guns use virtually no cap when firing, so that even with EVERYTHING running you get 3 to 4 minutes out of either platform. |
Desudes
Federal Defence Union Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2011.11.19 02:44:00 -
[99] - Quote
I'd have left it able to field Torps; but I'd also fix torps & give bonuses (dmg + optimal for rails; ROF/dmg for torps I guess?) to fit.
Leaving the Naga with Rails for sniping and torps for brawling. I don't see the optimal range beating tracking + drones for close range though I haven't look at the tank differences due to fitting tools and stats changing around. Will be interesting when this stuff gets finalized. Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu? |
Lili Lu
34
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Posted - 2011.11.19 03:25:00 -
[100] - Quote
OT Smithers wrote: Answer: Because this was easier for CCP.
And yes, they are (as usual) screwing Caldari pilots.
OMG, you poor downtroden thing. You must really hate this game as much as CCP surely hates Caldari. I mean everyone should just self-destruct their Tengus, Drakes, Nighthawks, Vultures, . . .
Seriously, if you feel so depressed and oppressed stop playing now. You are not Caldari, investigate real life again.
And please stop whining about it not being a missile ship. Gallente is not THE hybrid race. They are a combo of hybrid and drone. Caldari are a combo of hybrid and missile. And there are even some Gallente ships with missile launchers and almost every Caldari ship has a small drone bay.
You have to train more than one weapon system in this game. Every race does. |
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Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.11.19 06:11:00 -
[101] - Quote
I am beyond thrilled.
I, as a Caldari, have an adequate hybrid platform. Unlike the Rokh, with it's false promises in it's flavor text.
I'm Caldari. I have gun skills. Why can't the rest of you just train gun skills? You don't have to use them. Stick with your terrible cruise missiles and torps. I'm going to be flaying my enemies into a fine, likely ionized molecular cloud with my 8x Ion Blaster Cannon II Naga. And maybe Electron Blaster Moa if it can ever get into a decent fleet. |
Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army
182
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Posted - 2011.11.19 06:22:00 -
[102] - Quote
Vincent Gaines wrote:Jude Lloyd wrote:TrollFace TrololMcFluf wrote:caldari tears aka carebear tears BEST TEARS Your logic is faulty. I have never PVE'd once since playing this game, and I fly Caldari. Caldari is the best race for PVP. Quote:Combat record for Jude Lloyd
Favourite prey: Battlecruiser Favourite ship: Imperial Navy Slicer
Kills With:
Crow 5 Caldari Navy Hookbill 2 Imperial Navy Slicer 21 Thrasher 1 Cynabal 33
Okie dokie. Then use Caldari more.
Lol my top used ships are the drake, rook, and merlin. Good intel m8
Heretic Army CEO Host of Frigfry Fridays
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
33
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Posted - 2011.11.19 06:57:00 -
[103] - Quote
Vincent Gaines wrote:OT Smithers wrote:. The typical Caldari pilot, having no hybrid skills or gunnery skills to speak of, is looking at five or six months to use this ship properly. It's ridiculous. And who's fault is that? Caldari have been using Hybrids since the game started. Every ship any noob has encountered has presented the race as both missiles and hybrids- not secondary, but both equal in terms of use in space.
Most of the people that have purely trained Caldari didn't put many SP into gunnery because the gunboats for the most part are worse than the missile boats. It is refreshing to see the Naga with a damage bonus though, it wouldn't have surprised me to see it come with 7 turrets and no damage bonus. Still I have not tried the ship on sisi and it makes me wonder if its like the other Caldari gunboats and lack the cap to even run its turrets, let alone any other mods. |
Soporo
Perkone Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.11.19 17:31:00 -
[104] - Quote
Quote:I think CCP chose the easiest way to deal with the Naga.
Making a viable missile tier3 BC would mean fixing cruise and torps
What this dude said. I'm just glad to not have a completely inadequately bonused torp ship. Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - H.L. Mencken |
Klown Walk
iCruiser.
1
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Posted - 2011.11.19 17:38:00 -
[105] - Quote
Don-¦t see the point of adding 2 hybrid ships. |
Eva Blacklist
Tax Free Corporation II
0
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Posted - 2011.11.19 18:10:00 -
[106] - Quote
Vincent Gaines wrote:Eva Blacklist wrote:For me,the excitement of the expansion was the Naga plus torpedoes. To be frank, if I wanted a gun-based boat it would be the Oracle (which is major sexy). It appears the management of CCP continues to be out-of-touch with a part of its player base. The Naga is now competitive instead of another lolCaldari ship. CCP has listened to a long neglected, much larger part of its playerbase and a huge part of Caldari/Gallente gameplay. You don't know this because you started playing eve around the time hybrids became completely useless. I don't know how to explain this.. it's like trying to explain life before the internet to a person under 20. There's a whole big part of Caldari and Gallente playstyles that has been left behind and finally brought to the forefront.
Dude, this is my 'baby' character, and I am confident I am a hell of a lot older than than you. I wanted a torpedo boat, but barring that I will stick with the Tornado or Oracle because I am skilled for those. Stop speaking to people you do not know as if you know something. f*u*cker. |
Smiling Menace
Star Nebulae Holdings Inc.
32
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Posted - 2011.11.19 19:44:00 -
[107] - Quote
Eva Blacklist wrote:Vincent Gaines wrote:Eva Blacklist wrote:For me,the excitement of the expansion was the Naga plus torpedoes. To be frank, if I wanted a gun-based boat it would be the Oracle (which is major sexy). It appears the management of CCP continues to be out-of-touch with a part of its player base. The Naga is now competitive instead of another lolCaldari ship. CCP has listened to a long neglected, much larger part of its playerbase and a huge part of Caldari/Gallente gameplay. You don't know this because you started playing eve around the time hybrids became completely useless. I don't know how to explain this.. it's like trying to explain life before the internet to a person under 20. There's a whole big part of Caldari and Gallente playstyles that has been left behind and finally brought to the forefront. Dude, this is my 'baby' character, and I am confident I am a hell of a lot older than than you. I wanted a torpedo boat, but barring that I will stick with the Tornado or Oracle because I am skilled for those. Stop speaking to people you do not know as if you know something. One more thing, unless you programmed with something before punch cards, STFU about the internet, assclown. /rant
Think you completely missed his point.
And he is right btw. Hybrids have long been neglected. I started EVE when they were the defacto standard for all turrets then it all went horribly wrong and I barely used Gal ships once they fell so badly behind Projectiles and Lasers. Web nerf was pretty much the last straw for blasters.
The guy was just trying to give an idea of how difficult it was to explain life when hybrids ruled until now. Totally no need for your baseless rant at him. It's assclowns like you that really make these forums suck.
Oh, one more point, how do you know that isn't his alt? You have no idea about him either but you are doing what you asked him not to. That makes you a hypocrite. |
Rico Rage
2
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Posted - 2011.11.19 22:53:00 -
[108] - Quote
Eva Blacklist wrote:Vincent Gaines wrote:Eva Blacklist wrote:For me,the excitement of the expansion was the Naga plus torpedoes. To be frank, if I wanted a gun-based boat it would be the Oracle (which is major sexy). It appears the management of CCP continues to be out-of-touch with a part of its player base. The Naga is now competitive instead of another lolCaldari ship. CCP has listened to a long neglected, much larger part of its playerbase and a huge part of Caldari/Gallente gameplay. You don't know this because you started playing eve around the time hybrids became completely useless. I don't know how to explain this.. it's like trying to explain life before the internet to a person under 20. There's a whole big part of Caldari and Gallente playstyles that has been left behind and finally brought to the forefront. Dude, this is my 'baby' character, and I am confident I am a hell of a lot older than than you. I wanted a torpedo boat, but barring that I will stick with the Tornado or Oracle because I am skilled for those. Stop speaking to people you do not know as if you know something. One more thing, unless you programmed with something before punch cards, STFU about the internet, assclown. /rant
Then post with your main. Hate it when people talk crap but then puss out and post on an alt character.
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Borun Tal
One More Corp
6
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Posted - 2011.11.20 01:28:00 -
[109] - Quote
How many mining lazors and warp core stabs can I fit on the Naga?
Oh, wait.... |
TS0
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.11.20 03:38:00 -
[110] - Quote
Gypsio III wrote:Rail Naga - 700 DPS at 100 km. Deal with it, pathetic whingeing Caldari carebears.
This is the feed back CCP is getting...from ppl who dont fly caldari ships.....and they are listening to them... =FAIL
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Zeerover
Wolfsbrigade
7
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Posted - 2011.11.20 06:30:00 -
[111] - Quote
TS0 wrote:Gypsio III wrote:Rail Naga - 700 DPS at 100 km. Deal with it, pathetic whingeing Caldari carebears. This is the feed back CCP is getting...from ppl who dont fly caldari ships.....and they are listening to them... =FAIL
I'm a caldari, who flies caldari ships, and I'm greatly looking forward to a proper rail platform:) [img]http://i.imgur.com/Qrwa2.png[/img] |
Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
9
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Posted - 2011.11.20 21:19:00 -
[112] - Quote
Zeerover wrote:TS0 wrote:Gypsio III wrote:Rail Naga - 700 DPS at 100 km. Deal with it, pathetic whingeing Caldari carebears. This is the feed back CCP is getting...from ppl who dont fly caldari ships.....and they are listening to them... =FAIL I'm a caldari, who flies caldari ships, and I'm greatly looking forward to a proper rail platform:)
Hello. I'm caldari, I fly rail boats and I approve the Naga. Thank you very much. |
Nezumiiro Noneko
Alternative Enterprises
14
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Posted - 2011.11.20 22:12:00 -
[113] - Quote
TS0 wrote:Gypsio III wrote:Rail Naga - 700 DPS at 100 km. Deal with it, pathetic whingeing Caldari carebears. This is the feed back CCP is getting...from ppl who dont fly caldari ships.....and they are listening to them... =FAIL
A decent BC class gun boat for caldari has been a gaping hole for years. CCP listened to that gripe. 2 choices in this realm. Lolrox or x-train amarr or minny (usually minny, easier x-train imo). Lolrox has been lacking, hell on paper it will still lack after hybid fix. NAga will be the gap filler here I'd put money on.
CCP listenend to caldari gunners who said thanks for the range but we want moar gun damage. 20-25% level dependent a good step in that direction. Powergrid fixes as well and it becomes clear ccp wants a caldari bc besides drake on the server (we all know lolrox ain't so popular....).
gun choice a good call imo. Might even clear up some canes off the server....most x-trains I know of like me went to that when drake got old. KNow I'll give her a go. Be nice if tracking was thrown in too...but you can't have everything. |
Adru
Brotherhood Cartel
0
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Posted - 2011.11.21 07:33:00 -
[114] - Quote
Yup, dissapointed. I hoped to take my missile skills and fleet with any Drake pilot (are there any out there?). I hoped the Naga could thus sail through difficult PVE cheaply enough to fly in nullsec. Combined arms concept after all.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
340
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Posted - 2011.11.21 12:44:00 -
[115] - Quote
Perhaps they can give it a big cargohold of say 1,000 cubic metres so i can use it as a transporter or salvager (with 8 turrets)?
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Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
9
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Posted - 2011.11.21 13:23:00 -
[116] - Quote
Jennifer Starling wrote:Perhaps they can give it a big cargohold of say 1,000 cubic metres so i can use it as a transporter or salvager (with 8 turrets)?
Oh my, maybe you could use a ship with bonuses to tractors and salvagers? With a good enough cargo bay? Could CCP dare to create a ship like that?
Oh, wait. They did... Noctis? |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
37
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Posted - 2011.11.21 14:36:00 -
[117] - Quote
TS0 wrote:Gypsio III wrote:Rail Naga - 700 DPS at 100 km. Deal with it, pathetic whingeing Caldari carebears. This is the feed back CCP is getting...from ppl who dont fly caldari ships.....and they are listening to them... =FAIL
Its not fail at all, its good to see a railgun platform that's not whacked with a nerfbat before it even hits the server. Maybe, just maybe CCP will fix the other Caldari gunboats to. |
Niko Takahashi
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2011.11.21 14:54:00 -
[118] - Quote
I approve of the Naga
Although I was reall hoping for a Torp ECM strength bonus combo :)
But a nice Freaking boat that will be long range fire support decent damage and range. AND cheap
Now Fix the Rokh |
Techno General
Bishop Intergalactic Ventures The Interstellar Contract Agency
0
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Posted - 2011.11.21 17:13:00 -
[119] - Quote
This is the exact reason I trained for ERRYTING :) T3 BC's with al T2 Weapons HERE I COME :) |
Mike Whiite
Progressive State
2
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Posted - 2011.11.22 13:53:00 -
[120] - Quote
I think it's a missed chance.
Let me try to explain, Due to it's affinety with missles the Caldari race is a very good race to start with in Eve.
In the rather steep learning curve Eve has, less is more in your early months. So not having to keep track of your speed, angle ect. ect. is a great plus.
Before you start to earn a little money and realy have a chance to see what this game is all about people usualy train to battlecruiser class, this is about the time when people make the decision to stay onboard and become paying members. The prospect of goodies right behind the door might be quite aluring and in your first weeks/months of EVE training time is seen different, 90 days is quite a long time when you're only 90 days online.
that said the hybrid ship might be nice for the players that play longer.
Nnot playing to long myself, I don-¦t expect to fly the Naga anytime soon. When putting time in gunnery, things like Projetiles and Artillery seem more alluring then Hybride. more new ships availible, which actualy have a use at frigate lvl above what I fly already. for a few days extra of learning Minmatar Frigate.
That said I think the Naga is going to do well for Gelante, since they can fly it in relative shorter time a lot of Caldari will need to invest in it. |
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Allaera
Avatar Dynasty RED.Legion
6
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Posted - 2011.11.22 14:21:00 -
[121] - Quote
Klown Walk wrote:Don-¦t see the point of adding 2 hybrid ships.
Why not? It's not like it's unprecedented.......Brutix and Ferox
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2011.11.22 16:53:00 -
[122] - Quote
Allaera wrote:Klown Walk wrote:Don-¦t see the point of adding 2 hybrid ships. Why not? It's not like it's unprecedented.......Brutix and Ferox Hyperion and Rokh also came in together |
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
2
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Posted - 2011.11.22 19:16:00 -
[123] - Quote
DarkAegix wrote:It may be a better ship now, but it isn't as exciting.
This.
Naga is gonna fill a nice gap that will make Caldari combined ops a challenge for opposing FCs
Bottom line is you can sit out at 120K and deal over 500 DPS. Or 620 at 93K Or 450 at 140K
Put a couple of them out there with a pair of rooks and a couple of cal navy caras and you can lay down HML fire and ECM over a hundred K in support of a fight on the gate( where you have your HAM Drakes and RocketBills to tackle and tank).
With a little imagination and the right friends this ship will be OK. Mr Naga wants to fly with Rooks and CNCs' and tear up enemy fleet support. This guy is gonna be an evil bastard sitting on a gate with proper support.
Bring in the torp Ravens, the Rokhs and the Logis once the fight is joined and decide the issue.Should be fun. |
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
2
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Posted - 2011.11.22 19:40:00 -
[124] - Quote
OT Smithers wrote:Havegun Willtravel wrote:As it stands now it's a very nice gun boat, but honestly I don't think that was what anyone wanted.
Every race has a few ships that have a launcher high or 2 but it truly is Caldari's main weapon system.
The simple question is this. How many Caldari pilots have torp's or cruise 5 trained vs large hybrid 5 ? Every other race got to play to their main weapon systems strengths except the Caldari.
As it stands I can see the Naga being more popular with Galente pilots than Caldari. Obviously. It's not even a Caldari ship. It's a second Gallente BC. The typical Gallente pilot, even assuming they lacked any Caldari ship command skills at all, could be flying this baby maxed out in a week. The typical Caldari pilot, having no hybrid skills or gunnery skills to speak of, is looking at five or six months to use this ship properly. It's ridiculous.
When you were a wee bitty Caldari Pilot, The first ship you got into worth a damn was the Merlin, which had rails. The next ship up was a Cormorant, which was a railgun platform. After that when you went cruiser, you saw the heavy cruiser was a hybrid platform. The first BC you could get was a Railboat. When you went BS you saw the Rokh staring at you at the end of the line, the culmination of Caldari weapons development.
So, the question is, WHY DIDN'T YOU TRAIN RAILS????
They have ALWAYS been a Caldari weapon, and noone elses, really. Learn how to fly something besides a Drake.... and I say that as a Caldari pilot who LOVES his Drakes.Just cause the lazy have pidgeonholed themselves is no reason to continue to neglect half the ships in the Cal Lineup.
Naga is a fine ship. Train heavy rails, and it's support skills, and lo and get hold, you will find you will then be able to fly most of the ships in the game within a month. |
Lord Calus
Nagrom Security Syndicate Flatline.
2
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Posted - 2011.11.22 19:57:00 -
[125] - Quote
Speaking as a Caldari pilot with no points yet into turret weaponry .... why would I not just spend < 60 days crosstraining into Mattar w/ projectile turrets and the OP Tornado?
Once again we get the bait and switch. Just take hybrids out, refund the SP so everyone who has not already trained projectiles can use them? Better yet, how many people have already trained projectiles and are using them on "hybrid" boats because hybrids are so sub par?
Caldari chars already have missile skills, and shield tanking skills ..... yep. Mattar it is. Nice try with the "diversity" CCP but I think I will just go in the direction of the broken weapon system. It isnt FOTM when it has been superior for over a year.
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Liang Nuren
Perkone Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2011.11.22 20:11:00 -
[126] - Quote
Lord Calus wrote:Speaking as a Caldari pilot with no points yet into turret weaponry .... why would I not just spend < 60 days crosstraining into Mattar w/ projectile turrets and the OP Tornado?
Once again we get the bait and switch. Just take hybrids out, refund the SP so everyone who has not already trained projectiles can use them? Better yet, how many people have already trained projectiles and are using them on "hybrid" boats because hybrids are so sub par?
Caldari chars already have missile skills, and shield tanking skills ..... yep. Mattar it is. Nice try with the "diversity" CCP but I think I will just go in the direction of the broken weapon system. It isnt FOTM when it has been superior for over a year.
While I admit I was looking forward to the Naga as a missile platform, I have to also admit that it was severely underwhelming and would've been a total waste. As it is now, the Naga is the only Tier 3 BC I'm actually looking forward to.
-Liang Looking for WH PVP corp.-á Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren |
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
350
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Posted - 2011.11.22 22:23:00 -
[127] - Quote
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:When you were a wee bitty Caldari Pilot, The first ship you got into worth a damn was the Merlin, which had rails. The next ship up was a Cormorant, which was a railgun platform. After that when you went cruiser, you saw the heavy cruiser was a hybrid platform. The first BC you could get was a Railboat. When you went BS you saw the Rokh staring at you at the end of the line, the culmination of Caldari weapons development.
So, the question is, WHY DIDN'T YOU TRAIN RAILS???? When I ws a Caldari pilot I noticed that even small frigates have double weapon setups which isn't exactly very newb friendly. So I found out a Kestrel is quite a perfect little missile ship. And requires way less skills so I could concentrate on better missile and support skills.
So I read the forums and reviews about ships. The performance of hybrid boats like the ugly Moa, Ferox and Rokh seemed to be rather underwhelming and Drakes, Tengus and Ravens were appreciated a lot more. Like a lot of other players I trained Amarr laser ships instead. Who in his/her right mind would tyrain hybrid boats unless you're Gallente? The question isn't WHY DIDN'T YOU TRAIN RAILS??, the question is WHY WERE RAILS SO BAD NO-ONE WOULD TRAIN THEM??
I agree that the Naga is more a Gallente boat than a Caldari boat. Many if not most Gallente pilots can already use T2 Large Hybrids, which takes over a month to train while Caldari Cruiser IV .. 4 days? |
Misanthra
Alternative Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2011.11.23 00:13:00 -
[128] - Quote
Lord Calus wrote:Speaking as a Caldari pilot with no points yet into turret weaponry .... why would I not just spend < 60 days crosstraining into Mattar w/ projectile turrets and the OP Tornado?
Once again we get the bait and switch. Just take hybrids out, refund the SP so everyone who has not already trained projectiles can use them? Better yet, how many people have already trained projectiles and are using them on "hybrid" boats because hybrids are so sub par?
Caldari chars already have missile skills, and shield tanking skills ..... yep. Mattar it is. Nice try with the "diversity" CCP but I think I will just go in the direction of the broken weapon system. It isnt FOTM when it has been superior for over a year.
I mix and match. your projectie rokh (soon naga if wanted) would be small pick up fleet setups. Fleet fit generally will be rails.
dependnig on application it doesn't even matter tbh. Shoot a pos...425 II rokh is fine. Its not arty alpha of doom. Like it mattera on large...the dps difference is not getting you and your 100 friends without momies support ref'ed or dead pos that much faster.
BS to BS pvp...rail are less dps but more range. don't land with the pests and kite. Rokh lived longer as only ship with a simialr optimal to use is.....a rokh. enemy pest on his optimals to kill your pests hits a rokh for less. lose sometning, gain something kind of thing. |
Alyssa Yotosala
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2011.11.23 01:48:00 -
[129] - Quote
The Naga is dead to me, and I lost all excitement I had when playing with it on SiSi before the Torp removal.
Hello Tornado. |
Netsuj
Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat
0
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Posted - 2011.11.23 04:59:00 -
[130] - Quote
Woohoo so we get a new Caldari ship that shoots........guns.....All I hear is that "Oh look you can jam" Caldari have great missile skills! For what.....Another huge miss from CCP. We have A ship, the Drake, that does decently in PVP but even that is a single fit the only one with missiles. Give me a free respec to guns.
Excitement zero for new naga |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
1228
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Posted - 2011.11.23 16:35:00 -
[131] - Quote
Netsuj wrote:Woohoo so we get a new Caldari ship that shoots........guns.....All I hear is that "Oh look you can jam" Caldari have great missile skills! For what.....Another huge miss from CCP. We have A ship, the Drake, that does decently in PVP but even that is a single fit the only one with missiles. Give me a free respec to guns.
Excitement zero for new naga
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Lili Lu
39
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Posted - 2011.11.23 17:01:00 -
[132] - Quote
Oh wow, Christmas and I just got a new toy!
Whaaaaaaaa! I don't have the tools to put my toy together, and Jimmy's toy is better !!
Love this thread. |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
54
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Posted - 2011.11.23 17:26:00 -
[133] - Quote
Increase base speed , lower signature , there is absolutly no reason why it should be slower/bigger than the others.
Oh and give more pg/cpu. |
Adonlude
ANZAC ACADEMY
0
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:09:00 -
[134] - Quote
I'll be getting a Naga. I went against the grain with my training. Im pure caldari with all t2 hybrids and only marginal missile skills. |
Liang Nuren
Perkone Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:12:00 -
[135] - Quote
Naomi Knight wrote:Increase base speed , lower signature , there is absolutly no reason why it should be slower/bigger than the others.
Oh and give more pg/cpu.
What fit do you believe should fit but doesn't?
-Liang Looking for WH PVP corp.-á Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren Recruit me: http://wp.me/p1WQ0O-R |
Maroxus
Strategic Syndicate
2
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Posted - 2011.11.23 19:21:00 -
[136] - Quote
Before Naga:
Non Faction:
Number of Caldari Turret ships: 10 Number of Caldari Missile ships: 14 Number of Caldari ECM ships: 7 Number of Caldari scout ships with Missile bonus: 2
Number of Caldari Faction Missile ships: 5 Number of Caldari Faction Turret ships: 0
Ibis included in Turret line up, hey it has a bonus. The Heron/Buzzard would add another 2 to the 14 Missile line up. Falcon goes into Turret and Rook goes into Missile, both are in ECM. None of the T1 ECM ships have a weapon bonus. Both of the T2 battleships are Missile, WTF? The Phoenix and Leviathan adds another 2 to Missiles if you want to include capitals.
To me the Naga is a good addition to strengthen Caldari's hybrid line up after the Faction missile ships *glares at Navy scorp and osprey* While Minmatar whine about split weapons, Caldari has a split ship line up divided by Missiles, Hybrids, and ECM
Why are most new Caldari pilots grow into Missiles? I blame the Merlin and Missile's easy use in missions. New players may end up picking the kestrel since the Merlin is split with 2 turrets and 2 launcher slots. Thus they end up skipping the cormorant, getting into the caracal, and so on ... |
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
355
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Posted - 2011.11.23 20:35:00 -
[137] - Quote
Maroxus wrote:Why are most new Caldari pilots grow into Missiles? I blame the Merlin and Missile's easy use in missions. New players may end up picking the kestrel since the Merlin is split with 2 turrets and 2 launcher slots. Thus they end up skipping the cormorant, getting into the caracal, and so on ... Indeed, splits weapon systems is everything but newb friendly. My path was Kestrel --> Drake --> Tengu.
Add to that the horrible reputation of hybrid ships and the extreme ugliness of the Moa. |
m0cking bird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2011.11.23 20:51:00 -
[138] - Quote
The ****** is good @ the moment. Think it's unfortunate missile users were not able to change things, but maybe next time (keep fighting!). The ship is in line with the Tornado. Minus damage selection. Fitting is not a serious issue and the ****** is very mobile, just like most tier 3 battle-cruisers.
Groups of these are in fact very deadly. I'm not sure how many have done fleet engagements of ****** (blasters) versus Tornado's (autocannons), but there is no clear winner. Often a up to target switching, logistics and mobility.
However, shield Oracal's are very hard to deal with. It would take alpha to engage them. Even with one shield extender and invulnerability field. The ship has more than enough hit-points and resistance to be repaired. Once you take Optimal into account. Damage application is insane! Capacitor is the only limit and maybe hit-points, but like I said. I saw no issue with hit-points, when logistics are on the field.
Shield blaster Talos. Has the range, to be useful in small engagements, but not on the same level as the ******, Oracal and Tornado.
These ships are designed for fleets and the only one that falls noticeable short is the Talos. |
Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
9
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Posted - 2011.11.23 21:02:00 -
[139] - Quote
Oh you new boys and girls. My path was: Ibis, condor, merlin, cormorant, osprey, caracal, moa, ferox and then raven, all of it fefore the introduction of Tier 3 BS. When I learned about the coming of the Rokh, I trained T2 rails and blasters beforehand. And I was happy. Better completion times than using that fat raven, and a funnier ship to fly. I only walked away from it because it doesn't have a damage bonus. But even without the damage bonus, my friends who flew ravens at the time were impressed with how fast I could kill stuff in missions. Even without a damage bonus. It took me almost 6 months to be able to buy my first battleship, and I used it with cruise missile and 425 rails.
Man, I'm talking like and old man... I even forgot what was the point I was trying to make...
Well, the Naga is here to stay. Fly it or keep the drake. It's simple. |
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
360
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Posted - 2011.11.25 12:45:00 -
[140] - Quote
Katabrok First wrote:Well, the Naga is here to stay. Fly it or keep the drake. It's simple. Then Tornado and Oracle it is.
Oh well .... |
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Dielax
Aliastra Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.11.25 21:53:00 -
[141] - Quote
works for me, i got caldari ship/shield skills and hybrid turrets.
however.... I also have some missile skills and am most disapointed. |
Grimmash
Chaos Theory Exploration
0
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Posted - 2011.11.25 22:18:00 -
[142] - Quote
I am disappointed to see the missiles go. Cladari = Missiles, so as others have said, this becomes a second Gallente hull. Boo. |
Duchess Starbuckington
Starbuckington Manor
24
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Posted - 2011.11.25 23:06:00 -
[143] - Quote
Grimmash wrote:I am disappointed to see the missiles go. Cladari = Missiles.
Oh, really? I guess I must've been hallucinating then, because I swear there was a ship or two called, oh now what was it... Merlin, Harpy, Raptor, Cormorant, Moa, Eagle, Ferox, Vulture, Rokh.
Let's face facts here: hybrids are (were?) the problem. If they had been buffed beforehand, nobody would be complaining that the Naga is hybrid focused. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.11.26 06:11:00 -
[144] - Quote
Katabrok First wrote: Better completion times than using that fat raven
Guess for an OLD player your missile skills suck. |
Mapets
Combinatul Chimic ROMANIAN-LEGION
2
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Posted - 2011.11.26 18:55:00 -
[145] - Quote
disapointed ...
rail Naga is fail for the same reasons rokh is so rarely used on bs fleets and eagle on sniping hacs fleets/gangs 1-> caldari ships are slow by default and never dictate range in a fight as it starts !! 2-> railguns (all sizes) lack the tracking and dps to hammer the target even at the range they are meant for (the hibrid wep buff comming with the new patch is`nt fixing that) 3-> by the time u make the optimal bonus of the ship get u the advantage u`re alwready at low cap since u nead to use mwd to get that range and after few shots a msg is displayed saying "capacitor is empty" :))
for y`all that say caldari are better off with a new rail platform over a missile boat that "only means 90 days of training" mind u spare us the few mils sp and spend the 3 days training for amarr / gallente / minmatar cruser skill to lvl 3 (or 4 whatever) and fly one of the other 3 races bc witch all focus on guns ?! |
Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
9
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Posted - 2011.11.26 23:48:00 -
[146] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:Katabrok First wrote: Better completion times than using that fat raven Guess for an OLD player your missile skills suck.
Well man, see for yourself...
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Katabrok_First
Kata |
Foofad
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
16
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Posted - 2011.11.27 05:09:00 -
[147] - Quote
Blaster Naga may not be the most useful thing in the world but boy does it put out some big damage numbers. It's fun to fly.
But the tank sucks, the signature sucks, the speed is okay at best, but it's fun to fly. I'll probably lose a **** load of them. Did I mention the signature sucks? You're gonna get hit way more often in the Naga than any of the others.
The Oracle is better in every way except speed. It actually has a half decent tank with the usual 3 slot tank/trimark loadout, the range on scorch is so good the speed doesn't matter, and I think the cap is better too. Don't even get me started on the Tornado. The only thing it doesn't have going for it is the fact that Tornado is really hard to blend with the word "win" in a way that sounds neat. Winnado? Tornawin? Meh.
Incidentally the fit I've been using is:
[Naga, Naga fit]
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
20km Blaster optimal with Null and Optimal scripts keeps you out of web range, with nearly 800DPS. 13k Void range with range scripts does the same but with less wiggle room by virtue of the 10km falloff. For maximum damage against a locked down target swap to tracking speed and you can get in under battleship guns fairly well, though your sig bloom from shield rigs etc sucks in that regard. |
Tau Dades
Even End of the Universe
0
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Posted - 2011.11.27 08:50:00 -
[148] - Quote
I returned to EvE after an extended vacation. Only after returning did I find out they pre nerfed the naga. The only way CCP can make it up to me is to deliver to my hangar a CN DRAKE!!!!!!!!! |
Tub Chil
Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos
1
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Posted - 2011.11.27 14:43:00 -
[149] - Quote
I don't have EFT that includes latest hybrid changes, but I guess new naga can do ~ 400 DPS at maximum locking range. not too bad. at least better than torp lolboat.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
130
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Posted - 2011.11.27 16:42:00 -
[150] - Quote
Mapets wrote: 2-> railguns (all sizes) lack the tracking and dps to hammer the target even at the range they are meant for (the hibrid wep buff comming with the new patch is`nt fixing that!
The Naga's 768 DPS at 80 km, or 700 DPS at 100 km, suggests that DPS at least won't be the problem... |
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Cromartie McCaal
Nocturnal Ascendancy Irrelevant.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.27 17:25:00 -
[151] - Quote
DAMN IT CCP! just fix it already! why you gotta KEEP crippling caldari, huh? i was all excited about torps on BC but then you switched to to railgun platform, i said, "ok you guys said you were fixing hybrids on expansion, so we'll see". so far YOU ARENT FIXING hybrids. youre still making the SAME MISTAKES. the reason the Naga would have been great is because you COULD fit a decent tank on it with DECENT damage from torps and DECENT speed (1km+/s) BUT NO, now its railgun platform, FORGET cap stability. you wont get the damage you want, the speed you want, the tank you want. compared to the other races, once again, caldari is falling short to those 3 specific areas. if the naga isnt going to be an EWAR platform, WHICH IS THE ONLY ADVANTAGE CALDARI HAS OVER OTHER RACES, then its another useless ship in the caldari fleet. WAY TO GO CCP, THE EFFING FAIL NEVER CEASES.
FFS BALANCE the ****ING GAME! |
ZephyrLexx
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.11.27 18:13:00 -
[152] - Quote
Cromartie McCaal wrote:DAMN IT CCP! just fix it already! why you gotta KEEP crippling caldari, huh? i was all excited about torps on BC but then you switched to to railgun platform, i said, "ok you guys said you were fixing hybrids on expansion, so we'll see". so far YOU ARENT FIXING hybrids. youre still making the SAME MISTAKES. the reason the Naga would have been great is because you COULD fit a decent tank on it with DECENT damage from torps and DECENT speed (1km+/s) BUT NO, now its railgun platform, FORGET cap stability. you wont get the damage you want, the speed you want, the tank you want. compared to the other races, once again, caldari is falling short to those 3 specific areas. if the naga isnt going to be an EWAR platform, WHICH IS THE ONLY ADVANTAGE CALDARI HAS OVER OTHER RACES, then its another useless ship in the caldari fleet. WAY TO GO CCP, THE EFFING FAIL NEVER CEASES.
FFS BALANCE the ****ING GAME!
despite the caps lock this man speaks the truth. why you gotta hate on caldari CCP? |
Cambarus
Clearly Compensating
33
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Posted - 2011.11.27 19:14:00 -
[153] - Quote
Tau Dades wrote:I returned to EvE after an extended vacation. Only after returning did I find out they pre nerfed the naga. The only way CCP can make it up to me is to deliver to my hangar a CN DRAKE!!!!!!!!!
Tub Chil wrote:I don't have EFT that includes latest hybrid changes, but I guess new naga can do ~ 400 DPS at maximum locking range. not too bad. at least better than torp lolboat.
Gypsio III wrote:Mapets wrote: 2-> railguns (all sizes) lack the tracking and dps to hammer the target even at the range they are meant for (the hibrid wep buff comming with the new patch is`nt fixing that!
The Naga's 768 DPS at 80 km, or 700 DPS at 100 km, suggests that DPS at least won't be the problem...
Now, can anyone explain, without whining about how they don't have hybrids trained, how this version is anything less than a stellar improvement over the split bonus version? |
Cambarus
Clearly Compensating
33
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Posted - 2011.11.27 19:15:00 -
[154] - Quote
I do love how after months of working on the forums, only to have to take them down because of a hilariously flawed security system, followed by another month or 2 of reworking the new forums, CCP still has the ability to produce something that is notably worse than the old forum.
"We're getting ganked!" indeed. |
Tau Dades
Even End of the Universe
5
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Posted - 2011.11.27 20:37:00 -
[155] - Quote
Cambarus wrote:Tau Dades wrote:I returned to EvE after an extended vacation. Only after returning did I find out they pre nerfed the naga. The only way CCP can make it up to me is to deliver to my hangar a CN DRAKE!!!!!!!!! Tub Chil wrote:I don't have EFT that includes latest hybrid changes, but I guess new naga can do ~ 400 DPS at maximum locking range. not too bad. at least better than torp lolboat.
Gypsio III wrote:Mapets wrote: 2-> railguns (all sizes) lack the tracking and dps to hammer the target even at the range they are meant for (the hibrid wep buff comming with the new patch is`nt fixing that!
The Naga's 768 DPS at 80 km, or 700 DPS at 100 km, suggests that DPS at least won't be the problem... Now, can anyone explain, without whining about how they don't have hybrids trained, how this version is anything less than a stellar improvement over the split bonus version?
hybrids suck, Caldari are a missile race. |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
60
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Posted - 2011.11.27 22:59:00 -
[156] - Quote
Tau Dades wrote: hybrids suck, Caldari are a missile race.
go back to lvl4 you are loosing isks while qqing on forum |
Cambarus
Clearly Compensating
34
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Posted - 2011.11.27 23:47:00 -
[157] - Quote
Tau Dades wrote: hybrids suck, Caldari are a missile race.
The rail naga outperforms the old one by a mile. Some numbers using 3 damage mods no range mods or rigs:
The old naga: 950 DPS out to 30km 1050 with rage (which never get used, for good reason) 740 dps out to 45km Note that you also have to knock off ~10% of that range for flight time, so it's more like 27 and 40km
The New naga: Blasters: 1070 dps at 7+13km 850 at 17+16 1200 DPS at 12+6 Note that guns also have much more range boosting options than missiles Rails: AM: 700 at 54+30 Spike: 400 at 194+30
Now, that means, without even looking at range increasing mods/rigs (which help the new naga MUCH more than the old one) we have:
Blaster naga has more dps out to about 15km, then the torp one pulls ahead until 45km (though only by 40 DPS compared to the rail fit) and past 45 the naga will do exactly 0 DPS.
That said, both the top naga and the blaster naga are kind of useless, because the ship is made of paper, so being within 45km (mega pulse optimal) is a bad idea.
The rail naga has literally the best damage projection in the game, and actually has some uses (albeit niche ones) compared to the torp naga, which had no uses at all.
Oh, and one last thing:
If you specced caldari, and didn't train hybrids, you didn't actually spec into caldari, you specced missiles. The naga is no less caldari-ish than it was when it had torps.
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Solinuas
Beyond Evil and Good
16
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Posted - 2011.11.28 00:23:00 -
[158] - Quote
^ what this guy said |
Gorefacer
STRAG3S THE UNTHINKABLES
0
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Posted - 2011.11.28 06:34:00 -
[159] - Quote
Eh, I thought it might give me a reason to use my torp spec 5. But instead giving me a reason to train rails up higher might be even better.
Either way I'm not that excited. I'll test it out and use it if I like it. |
Gorefacer
STRAG3S THE UNTHINKABLES
0
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Posted - 2011.11.28 06:34:00 -
[160] - Quote
double |
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Xiozor
League of Non-Aligned Worlds Nulli Tertius
8
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Posted - 2011.11.28 23:45:00 -
[161] - Quote
Do you remember when the Abaddon/Hyperion/Rokh/Maelstrom was released?
"Captain, sensors indicate a high level of deja vu coming from this thread."
I would have really, really loved for them to have released a shield tanking ship with a fat signature radius, 20k EHP that does 1000dps into the current metagame.
It would have been followed by a huge influx of "WAHHH NAGA IS BAD FOR LEVEL 4 MISSIONS!!!" and "WAHHH, NAGA FAILS BECAUSE FLYING IN PULSE RANGE IN A GLASS CANNON IS A BAD IDEA!!!" |
Shivus Tao
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
71
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Posted - 2011.11.28 23:53:00 -
[162] - Quote
ITT bads complain about naga losing torps because they can't play with guns. |
Xerxikc
Red Hand Defenders
0
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Posted - 2011.11.29 00:31:00 -
[163] - Quote
I was kinda hoping theyd make the naga cruise missile boat with good bonuses as cruise missiles arent really represented well and i have it well trained but alas its another rail boat. I already have a Rokh so got really turned off by them putting rails on that as well. Why cant we get something good for a change?
P.S: Also im so sick of seeing drakes it would have been nice to see something else with missiles for a change. |
Shivus Tao
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
71
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Posted - 2011.11.29 00:35:00 -
[164] - Quote
Cruise missiles aren't represented well because they're terrible. Adding a dedicated cruise missile ship won't change that. |
Xerxikc
Red Hand Defenders
0
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Posted - 2011.11.29 00:39:00 -
[165] - Quote
They are terrible because they dont have a good ship for them , this would have been an opportunity to make one which they failed to do. Something Interesting and different. |
Shivus Tao
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
72
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Posted - 2011.11.29 00:49:00 -
[166] - Quote
They're terrible because their entire strength is their obscene range, yet it takes near 30 seconds for them to reach targets at that range. When the only way to fix a missile is to give a ship penalties to missile flight time and massive bonuses to missile velocity that's a problem with the missile design. And it's not like anyone engages at ranges where cruise missiles could be exploited anymore. Extreme damage at the cost of range is viable as it's comparatively easier to get a warp in, or close the gap in small gang pvp than it is to will your cruise missiles to fly faster, meanwhile in large fleets, maelstroms and artybaddons are laying into the missile ships, killing them long before their first salvo even hits. |
Izida
EVE-EX Express Courier Service
0
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Posted - 2011.11.29 01:02:00 -
[167] - Quote
Im somewhat confused as well why they make tornado so good and Naga so bad. That said I got tech 2 rails trained but was hoping to be able to fly something other than Scorp with cruise missiles, so very dissapointed. Does anyone have a link to where devs said why they decided to make rokh mkII ? |
Lili Lu
45
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Posted - 2011.11.29 01:11:00 -
[168] - Quote
ZephyrLexx wrote:Cromartie McCaal wrote:DAMN IT CCP! just fix it already! why you gotta KEEP crippling caldari, huh? i was all excited about torps on BC but then you switched to to railgun platform, i said, "ok you guys said you were fixing hybrids on expansion, so we'll see". so far YOU ARENT FIXING hybrids. youre still making the SAME MISTAKES. the reason the Naga would have been great is because you COULD fit a decent tank on it with DECENT damage from torps and DECENT speed (1km+/s) BUT NO, now its railgun platform, FORGET cap stability. you wont get the damage you want, the speed you want, the tank you want. compared to the other races, once again, caldari is falling short to those 3 specific areas. if the naga isnt going to be an EWAR platform, WHICH IS THE ONLY ADVANTAGE CALDARI HAS OVER OTHER RACES, then its another useless ship in the caldari fleet. WAY TO GO CCP, THE EFFING FAIL NEVER CEASES.
FFS BALANCE the ****ING GAME! despite the caps lock this man speaks the truth. why you gotta hate on caldari CCP?
You know it's comments like these in this thread that make a lot of us laugh. Gypsio III is a Cadari booster. I usually butt heads with those, but he's an intelligent, competent, and respected one. He and others are telling you to stop whining. Listen to him.
Look at the molds that were broken. You got a damage bonus on hybrids! You got a gunship that is not split weapons (ok there is the Ferox but still)! You effectively got two damage bonuses. The range bonus makes your anti-matter reach out farther.
Really, all these ships are basically going to be cheap, weak hulled, quick strike and warp out harassment. They are not meant to tank and engage in a slug fest in any meaningful way. People are telling you, you would not want to be using torps on these things within AC falloff or pulse oiptimal. Also, too many of you I think are trying to construct one-on-ones between these ships and finding the Tornado to beat all. So what, solo duals are really rare in this game. You got a Caldari fleet ship in line with the others in class. Tornados and Nagas both shield tank, and the Talos can shield tank. If any of them is left out imo it's the Oracle with only 3 mids.
Tbh, I would not fly these things except for the Talos. Why? Talos got a drone bay. But it is amazing how many threads there are on the Naga. Nowhere near as many probably adding up all the threads on the other 3 ships.
You remind me of when I was a noob. I used to say that CCP hated Amarr (Amarr did suck back then, but I was wrong as to ascribing intent). CCP does not hate Caldari. You are a 3 yr old character. Have you not crosstrained any other race? Don't identify so much with one race in this game.
edit- and someone else already pointed out that if you have only trained missiles you are flying missiles, not caldari. 2nd edit- oh and cap stability You appear to have never flown Amarr. You learn with them to not place such importance on cap stabilty. It is not necessary, even in missions. And, btw, look at the hybrid changes, they use less cap now. |
Shivus Tao
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
72
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Posted - 2011.11.29 01:23:00 -
[169] - Quote
Izida wrote:Im somewhat confused as well why they make tornado so good and Naga so bad. That said I got tech 2 rails trained but was hoping to be able to fly something other than Scorp with cruise missiles, so very dissapointed. Does anyone have a link to where devs said why they decided to make rokh mkII ?
The naga is actually better than the rokh because it gets a damage bonus where the rokh does not. The tornado being good at everything can be chalked up to autocannons being good at everything. Rails on the Naga will be very good at ranged damage projection, blasters will be very good at up close up damage. The problem is that autocannons are good at both of those simultaneously. Amarr is good at both in a similar way except they have to use capacitor to shoot. |
Izida
EVE-EX Express Courier Service
0
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Posted - 2011.11.29 01:33:00 -
[170] - Quote
Wasnt the problem with Rokh not being seen in any fleets at all is that not only is its damage at range sub par to say aba or maelstrom but the warping on top of people with probes made sniping obsolete? So my thought was isnt it stupid making a new ship for war when the war isnt done at these kind of ranges any more. Otherwise youd actually see lots of rokhs in fleets. |
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Minas Maxima
0
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Posted - 2011.11.29 03:33:00 -
[171] - Quote
I think these are made for PVP mostly from the start and most people are correct slow flying torps would have been bad in most standoff fights or getting close to those lasers can be painful for a weak tank. But that being said unless they were wondering or worried about mission running melting time with 8 torps I am not sure why they didnt let people keep the torps. Obviously they had a reason for it and I doubt it was to pick on Caldari.
Once you have the gun skills though flying any of these ships is fairly straight forward since Cruise IV is easy enough and BC is non-racial skill. I have not seen the requirements but I would assume it is the same for other BC's.
Then again maybe the Naga can stand to run some missions and do it well, not Mach well or Tengu but at least a change and hopefully cheap enough as a hull to get out and do some other fun stuff. I am sure they will be expensive at first but hopefully not much more than their brothers in a month or so. Cheap guns cheap mods go out and blast something under a 100 million in cost would be cool. Getting Large IV is not hard and will get most pilots into a decent dps ship of course T2 will be the ultimate goal I would think. Of course I already have the gun skills so not a big issue with me but I can understand the dissapoint at having to train it all up if you don't. However that being said by the time the cost balances out most could have most of their gun skills working out if not max.
Guns are fun but unfortunately Hybrids don't really seem to be buffed that much but we shall see, I am 1 day from Med Arty Spec IV then the long drive to Large Projectile V which is the longest but I started training not very long ago. 12 days for Med Projectile and 6 or 8 for Small then about a week to Spec in both to IV. Anyway I am rambling but it is not as horrible as it seems if you can just train it and not worry over it. Now thankfully I was lucky to have been an Eagle pilot so all the support gun skills are already maxxed they can take a long time to get worked out. 3 to 6 months to be a really good gunner, training nothing but guns. As most already know guns have two branches Hybrid is Blaster/Rails and that is twice the cost to fly both. For many Caldari starting out that is a hell of a lot of training for something that may or may not pan out. It will be less painful for the older pilots who have great missile boat skills but a new pilot flying Caldari will be shocked at the time involvement for a single ship of the fleet when it takes away all that training in shield/missile etc. |
DarkJacena
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.11.29 22:19:00 -
[172] - Quote
Not to brag (lol) But I'm currently Caldari and have had hybrids training for awhile in hopes of a buff. Now I also have a ship that works perfectly with them. Thank you CCP! =) |
Joneleth Rein
Delta vane Corp. Nostradamus Effect
1
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:50:00 -
[173] - Quote
I'd say it feels weird. TBH I wanted the torps but this does't feel half-bad either. And mind you I'm a gallente that switched to flying caldari ships. Not that much of a hassle for me anyway. Spider Pig!-áSpider Pig! Does what a Spider Pig does.. Can he swing? From a web.. No he can't. He's a pig. |
zendalit
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 01:46:00 -
[174] - Quote
naga=very nice looking, sniper boat with some maneuverability! Cant understand what the problem is....A BC with large turrets, designed to snipe from afar?
Do you seriously need another missle boat? I can understand if you dont want to train a new skill and you are upset that u cant make use of a shiny new toy but seriously, stop being selfish and appreciate the naga for what it is.
And for what it is designed for its going to do that really well. As some have mentioned it might just be the best in the game at sniping.
Anywho great ship, looks like fun. |
Atomic Punx
Caldari Research and Technology The Phoenix Regime
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 06:44:00 -
[175] - Quote
Written Word wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:Written Word wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:As it is right now the Naga can put out the same amount of DPS the Rokh can, with less mags. And nearly as far as the Rokh as well.
Oh, and its a RAIL platform. The talos, afaik, is a BLASTER platform. Because the Rokh is the DPS yardstick that all of EVE compares itself too. Right? Right? So you would say that would it be perfectly fine for me to compare the Naga with the Maelstrom? Saying its almost as good as one of the worst DPS dealing battleships in the game isn't a point in the favor. The Rokh is a terrible ship, and having a pocket sized one of those won't make it anything in this game better. The hybrid Naga won't deal the damage of the Talos, it won't have the damage projection of the Oracle/Tornado. If you are feeling stupid, I suppose you could try sniping in it, but with the lowest alpha and the current state of scan probing, do you really think this is a good idea? With torps, you could have gotten a massive gank platform with decent range and changeable damage types. Easily the best anti-capital one of the bunch.
Agreed! As it stands to date Torpedo's have no ship to claim as its cream of the crop! This truly is disappointing! |
Berendas
Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE
20
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Posted - 2011.11.30 06:47:00 -
[176] - Quote
zendalit wrote:naga=very nice looking, sniper boat with some maneuverability! Cant understand what the problem is....A BC with large turrets, designed to snipe from afar?
Do you seriously need another missle boat? I can understand if you dont want to train a new skill and you are upset that u cant make use of a shiny new toy but seriously, stop being selfish and appreciate the naga for what it is.
And for what it is designed for its going to do that really well. As some have mentioned it might just be the best in the game at sniping.
Anywho great ship, looks like fun.
This tbh. Caldari players whine that their ships can't do enough in PVP. CCP gives them a viable sniping platform and they cry because it isn't another missile spammer |
Quinc4623
Borg Mining Collective Unimatrix 01 Legion. XIII
3
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Posted - 2011.11.30 06:52:00 -
[177] - Quote
This is funny, some people claiming it's horrible, others saying it's the best sniper evar! I definetely have to side with the second group though. The real objection seems to be to having to use hybrid weapons. However if the recent hybrid boost proves sufficient all these complaints will be moot. 700 DPS at over 100 KM you say? Yes that sounds pretty impressive frankly. Considering that all four Tier 3 BCs are faster than any other BC or BS this will be the ultimate ship for kiting. Avoid anything smaller than a cruiser and you'll have absolute control over the fighting range and be dealing decent damage the entire time. If you're worried about getting probed out, either stay aligned to something, or orbit at exactly 100km.
Obviously if hybrids continue to suck, hybrid boats will suck too, but that's why CCP is finally revising the hybrids. Hopefully they will take a third and fourth look at balance over the coming months. Without viable hybrid weapons, Caldari missile ships came to the fore-front. Even with the Gallente I usually hear discussions about Mymidons and Dominix. People of course associate the Caldari with missiles since they have the only dedicated missile ships in multiple categories, and again, the Hybrid ships have been nearly pointless for the last few years. So yeah, it all comes down to the new balance CCP strikes with the hybrids, let's hope they get it right. |
Real Poison
Aura of Darkness Nulli Secunda
66
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Posted - 2011.11.30 07:42:00 -
[178] - Quote
No offence to the player who designed the naga model.
But as a BC the naga is by far the most butt-ugliest of the pack.
would've worked as an ORE specialized ICE-Miner/Hauler or s.th. like that.
Engineer: "hey lets make this ships signature radius as huge as possible by putting giant walls left and right so everyone can hit us better!" |
Vrykolakasis
Trinity Operations Aurora Irae
4
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Posted - 2011.11.30 07:43:00 -
[179] - Quote
I just found out the Naga didn't have any missile slots - the first thought through my head was that my client was malfunctioning and I would need to petition it.
I find it completely absurd that the missiles were cut from the design, and I find it equally absurd that people are defending the choice. Yes, the Naga should be a valuable sniper ship, like it is, but it should also have some versatility, like the original design. A versatile ship isn't overpowered... it's just versatile. You can't be a sniper and a torpedo spammer at the same time, but you should be able to choose which one you are. That was one of the reasons the Naga was *going* to be so cool... you had options.
I think CCP should balance their decision on this one... listen, a little, to the players who want to keep it the way it is. Then listen to the players who want to change it to have missile slots as well. Then grow some freaking brains and give it missile slots.
I usually don't get so angry about dev decisions, but this is ridiculous. |
Onictus
Legendary Knights Vorpal's Edge
46
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Posted - 2011.11.30 07:52:00 -
[180] - Quote
Vrykolakasis wrote:I just found out the Naga didn't have any missile slots - the first thought through my head was that my client was malfunctioning and I would need to petition it.
I find it completely absurd that the missiles were cut from the design, and I find it equally absurd that people are defending the choice. Yes, the Naga should be a valuable sniper ship, like it is, but it should also have some versatility, like the original design. A versatile ship isn't overpowered... it's just versatile. You can't be a sniper and a torpedo spammer at the same time, but you should be able to choose which one you are. That was one of the reasons the Naga was *going* to be so cool... you had options.
I think CCP should balance their decision on this one... listen, a little, to the players who want to keep it the way it is. Then listen to the players who want to change it to have missile slots as well. Then grow some freaking brains and give it missile slots.
I usually don't get so angry about dev decisions, but this is ridiculous.
You were seriously excited to bring a ship with 25k eHP into TORP range?
Fly around a HAM/nano drake for a while with an empty mid-slot and see how that goes, I imagine it would be roughly the same experience.
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2011.11.30 08:06:00 -
[181] - Quote
Vrykolakasis wrote:I just found out the Naga didn't have any missile slots - the first thought through my head was that my client was malfunctioning and I would need to petition it.
I find it completely absurd that the missiles were cut from the design, and I find it equally absurd that people are defending the choice. Yes, the Naga should be a valuable sniper ship, like it is, but it should also have some versatility, like the original design. A versatile ship isn't overpowered... it's just versatile. You can't be a sniper and a torpedo spammer at the same time, but you should be able to choose which one you are. That was one of the reasons the Naga was *going* to be so cool... you had options.
I think CCP should balance their decision on this one... listen, a little, to the players who want to keep it the way it is. Then listen to the players who want to change it to have missile slots as well. Then grow some freaking brains and give it missile slots.
I usually don't get so angry about dev decisions, but this is ridiculous. missing the point
It could do either of those, but it could do neither of them particularly well...the other BC's walked all over it no matter how it was fitted.
As is, it's quite a respectable ship. |
TheMahdi
RennTech Fatal Ascension
3
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Posted - 2011.11.30 08:58:00 -
[182] - Quote
naga please |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 13:58:00 -
[183] - Quote
Katabrok First wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Katabrok First wrote: Better completion times than using that fat raven Guess for an OLD player your missile skills suck. Well man, see for yourself... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Katabrok_FirstKata
So I guess it's not the missile skills that suck. |
Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
11
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Posted - 2011.11.30 14:47:00 -
[184] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:Katabrok First wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Katabrok First wrote: Better completion times than using that fat raven Guess for an OLD player your missile skills suck. Well man, see for yourself... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Katabrok_FirstKata So I guess it's not the missile skills that suck. Not to sound like an old man, but how old are you my boy?
When the rokh launched, the usual fit for a Raven was with cruise missiles, and the dps using them wasn't stellar. I had better completion times using the rokh, so diferently from what you try to imply, the problem was not with my skills as player. I tried torps, and they were marginally good against BS, but what you won against them you'd lose against BCs and down. And if I recall correctly, it is necessary more skill to fly a gun boat than a missile boat, right? So, try not to be all smug and smart before you know the full history.
Cheers, Kata |
Vrykolakasis
Trinity Operations Aurora Irae
4
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Posted - 2011.11.30 16:59:00 -
[185] - Quote
My rage post is a good example of why to sleep before posting .
I'd still like to see missiles on it... but I suppose I don't actually care *that* much. |
Federigo Mondial
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.11.30 18:06:00 -
[186] - Quote
Guys don't get your panties in your bunch. Finally we got a 700 dps boat @ 100 km that is insta-hit....And you guys are whining ?
Come on. |
Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
19
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Posted - 2011.11.30 18:20:00 -
[187] - Quote
Federigo Mondial wrote:Guys don't get your panties in your bunch. Finally we got a 700 dps boat @ 100 km that is insta-hit....And you guys are whining ?
Come on.
72 days until t2 railguns.....
Worth it just for the Naga!
Naga please! |
Lady PimpStar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 18:23:00 -
[188] - Quote
Federigo Mondial wrote:Guys don't get your panties in your bunch. Finally we got a 700 dps boat @ 100 km that is insta-hit....And you guys are whining ?
Come on.
First time all Caldari toons would have unrestricted access to 8 torp ship like the State Raven. Weather or not the torps are crap doesn't matter it's the fact we could fit them even if it would be fail fit.
I don't want to lose the rail configuration but would at least like the fittings and hard points to be restored. |
Cambarus
Clearly Compensating
43
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Posted - 2011.11.30 18:58:00 -
[189] - Quote
Lady PimpStar wrote:Federigo Mondial wrote:Guys don't get your panties in your bunch. Finally we got a 700 dps boat @ 100 km that is insta-hit....And you guys are whining ?
Come on. First time all Caldari toons would have unrestricted access to 8 torp ship like the State Raven. Weather or not the torps are crap doesn't matter it's the fact we could fit them even if it would be fail fit. I don't want to lose the rail configuration but would at least like the fittings and hard points to be restored. 8 torps with no bonus is the same as 6 torps with the ROF bonus the raven has. The ship would have been terrible, CCP buffed it, and in doing so are encouraging caldari people to train hybrids (the fact that so few have is because there weren't many decent hybrid boats to begin with, so stop complaining that CCP introduced one) |
mavrick1
Siskiyou county mining llc
7
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:02:00 -
[190] - Quote
i do not like the naga but the talos is a good ship and i like it and i am still playing around with it for the most part i just do not like the lines on the naga but for the most part the talos is a very pretty lady |
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:39:00 -
[191] - Quote
Katabrok First wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Katabrok First wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Katabrok First wrote: Better completion times than using that fat raven Guess for an OLD player your missile skills suck. Well man, see for yourself... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Katabrok_FirstKata So I guess it's not the missile skills that suck. Not to sound like an old man, but how old are you my boy? When the rokh launched, the usual fit for a Raven was with cruise missiles, and the dps using them wasn't stellar. I had better completion times using the rokh, so diferently from what you try to imply, the problem was not with my skills as player. I tried torps, and they were marginally good against BS, but what you won against them you'd lose against BCs and down. And if I recall correctly, it is necessary more skill to fly a gun boat than a missile boat, right? So, try not to be all smug and smart before you know the full history. Cheers, Kata
Are you referring to my real age or my Eve age which you so parade around here? I get better completion times with my CNR with rigors compared to my Rokh and I don't agree with what you said. Maybe I can't fly a turret boat well. Maybe you can't fly a missile boat well. So if I don't agree with you you'd call me out on my age?Anyways,all I did say was your missile skills didn't suck and you STILL have a problem with it?
Anyways, not gonna reply further. Fly safe,old man. o7 |
Vel Jong
CMABR
1
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:50:00 -
[192] - Quote
Im disappointed, if i want fly a Turret Boat i take one of the others i realy wanted to have a Missile Boat here |
Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
20
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Posted - 2011.11.30 20:34:00 -
[193] - Quote
t2 naga with cruise and torp bonuses maybeh? |
xSynnx
Requiem of Shadows Bad Company Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 20:59:00 -
[194] - Quote
So much QQ about Naga...
If you ONLY have missiles trained as a caldari pilot... you havent been playing Eve long enough. When you reach the point of "Ok im within 2% of my max missile potential, what should i train next?" the obvious course of action (to me) would be to train the weapon system for the other half of my race's (Caldari) ships.
Granted, i admit you have to train a whole new set of primary/secondary/tertiary skills, but dont you at least want to fly your races ships? Having played for so long i dont claim any races ships as my own anymore, only to say that i dont like caldari. That being said i have trained all turret based weapons (T2) of all sizes and even Missiles, T2 up to Heavy and HAM's. As i said before i dont particularly care for Caldari boats.
As a Caldari player if your still QQ'ing about turrets... your still young.
-XS |
Tusen Takk
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund 31ST Reliables Division
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 21:03:00 -
[195] - Quote
im training hybrids just to fly the naga
check this out: http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f331/timmyjimmy1/Capture-63.png
forgot to put a midslot in but whatever |
Lady PimpStar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 21:11:00 -
[196] - Quote
Cambarus wrote:Lady PimpStar wrote:Federigo Mondial wrote:Guys don't get your panties in your bunch. Finally we got a 700 dps boat @ 100 km that is insta-hit....And you guys are whining ?
Come on. First time all Caldari toons would have unrestricted access to 8 torp ship like the State Raven. Weather or not the torps are crap doesn't matter it's the fact we could fit them even if it would be fail fit. I don't want to lose the rail configuration but would at least like the fittings and hard points to be restored. 8 torps with no bonus is the same as 6 torps with the ROF bonus the raven has. The ship would have been terrible, CCP buffed it, and in doing so are encouraging caldari people to train hybrids (the fact that so few have is because there weren't many decent hybrid boats to begin with, so stop complaining that CCP introduced one)
We are looking for the "Raven up close" that was marketed. Why do you want to force specialization? What a awesome idea to have a ship that could do both weapon systems only to find out it's just one now..
Maybe Navy Issue Naga 1200 + DPS torp power house will make up for it :p <-- Cross fingers |
Sophisto
Meteor Star
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 21:39:00 -
[197] - Quote
xSynnx wrote:So much QQ about Naga...
If you ONLY have missiles trained as a caldari pilot... you havent been playing Eve long enough. When you reach the point of "Ok im within 2% of my max missile potential, what should i train next?" the obvious course of action (to me) would be to train the weapon system for the other half of my race's (Caldari) ships.
Granted, i admit you have to train a whole new set of primary/secondary/tertiary skills, but dont you at least want to fly your races ships? Having played for so long i dont claim any races ships as my own anymore, only to say that i dont like caldari. That being said i have trained all turret based weapons (T2) of all sizes and even Missiles, T2 up to Heavy and HAM's. As i said before i dont particularly care for Caldari boats.
As a Caldari player if your still QQ'ing about turrets... your still young.
-XS
What he said.. except I happen to like flying Caldari and as such am grateful for anything CCP sends my way! |
Sophisto
Meteor Star
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 21:45:00 -
[198] - Quote
Lady PimpStar wrote:Cambarus wrote:Lady PimpStar wrote:Federigo Mondial wrote:Guys don't get your panties in your bunch. Finally we got a 700 dps boat @ 100 km that is insta-hit....And you guys are whining ?
Come on. First time all Caldari toons would have unrestricted access to 8 torp ship like the State Raven. Weather or not the torps are crap doesn't matter it's the fact we could fit them even if it would be fail fit. I don't want to lose the rail configuration but would at least like the fittings and hard points to be restored. 8 torps with no bonus is the same as 6 torps with the ROF bonus the raven has. The ship would have been terrible, CCP buffed it, and in doing so are encouraging caldari people to train hybrids (the fact that so few have is because there weren't many decent hybrid boats to begin with, so stop complaining that CCP introduced one) We are looking for the "Raven up close" that was marketed. Why do you want to force specialization? What a awesome idea to have a ship that could do both weapon systems only to find out it's just one now.. Maybe Navy Issue Naga 1200 + DPS torp power house will make up for it :p <-- Cross fingers
I can also appreciate this as I too was looking for the glass cannon. Right down to the screenshots from the contest art we see launchers but after reading the arguments of the Drake, Tengu, and Raven I think this was smart of CCP to offer something different in hybrids other then training 3 months for a Vulture, and then still only fitting medium turrets. |
Kiljaedenas
Blockade Breakers
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 21:57:00 -
[199] - Quote
I'm Caldari and personally the Naga is the only one of the new battlecruisers I'd be willing to try. I'm also surprised at how much hate there is on the Rokh, properly fitted it is a very good long range sniper that can hit farther, tank better and cost less than its Gallente counterpart the Megathron.
I can definitely see Nagas getting used a LOT in Nullsec in the future. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery Dead On Arrival Alliance
425
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Posted - 2011.11.30 22:22:00 -
[200] - Quote
Jesus, guys, SHUT UP!
It's got a rotating RADAR dish on it ... and you're looking for other reasons to fly it?
It rotates. Spins. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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hanzyfranzy
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.12.01 00:59:00 -
[201] - Quote
My tech II railguns have been waiting for this glorious day. |
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2011.12.01 01:19:00 -
[202] - Quote
Naga is in fact a Gallente ship....... When is Caldari going to make a BC? |
Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
11
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Posted - 2011.12.01 02:06:00 -
[203] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:Are you referring to my real age or my Eve age which you so parade around here? I get better completion times with my CNR with rigors compared to my Rokh and I don't agree with what you said. Maybe I can't fly a turret boat well. Maybe you can't fly a missile boat well. So if I don't agree with you you'd call me out on my age?Anyways,all I did say was your missile skills didn't suck and you STILL have a problem with it? Anyways, not gonna reply further. Fly safe,old man. o7
Ok, just to set the record straight, sorry if I appeared pedantic or the truth owner, it wasn't my intention. I'm not a native English speaker, so sometimes what I think in portuguese doesn't comes out good in english. What I meant to ask was how long you've been playing. Because in old times, a raven was expensive, and a CNR was the stuff of legend. We didn't had rigs then, and it was hard killing small stuff with cruises. We had to use our mids only for tank, so we didn't even fit target painters (no rigs, remember?). With the Rokh we could kill small stuff while they were approaching, faster than using cruise missiles. Today I agree, it is a subpar mission ship.
Was I clear? Really sorry man for the negative idea I passed.
Cheers, Kata
Ps.: I know you said you wouldn't reply anymore, but just tell me we are friends now. |
Khrage
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.01 05:45:00 -
[204] - Quote
Flurk Hellbron wrote:Naga is in fact a Gallente ship....... When is Caldari going to make a BC?
^troll/blind/forgetful
One of the most caldari ships out there is a BC, called the Drake. It's a better ship than the earlier version of the Naga would have been.
Though I have lost interest in the Naga since that many torps would be way too much fun (not necessarily good) - have not lost interest in the Tornado. That thing is just so much better than all the other T3 BCs.
Really looking forward to seeing more of all them out in space since they are going to make great fireworks. Of other ships and themselves. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery Dead On Arrival Alliance
426
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Posted - 2011.12.01 09:28:00 -
[205] - Quote
Flurk Hellbron wrote:Naga is in fact a Gallente ship....... When is Caldari going to make a BC? By your logic the Ferox is also Gallente. And the Rokh. And the Moa. And the Osprey. And the Merlin. And the Bantam. And the Cormorant. etc & navy variants.
No, people. This is wrong. Clearly the Naga is the first Caldari ship to use hybrids. Why would any Caldari pilots have any SP in hybrids / turrets? - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Mike Whiite
Progressive State
4
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Posted - 2011.12.01 09:49:00 -
[206] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Flurk Hellbron wrote:Naga is in fact a Gallente ship....... When is Caldari going to make a BC? By your logic the Ferox is also Gallente. And the Rokh. And the Moa. And the Osprey. And the Merlin. And the Bantam. And the Cormorant. etc & navy variants. No, people. This is wrong. Clearly the Naga is the first Caldari ship to use hybrids. Why would any Caldari pilots have any SP in hybrids / turrets?
I dare you to name a Caldari Navy Ship having a hybrid bonus or being made for hybrid , not unlike some Caldari players The Caldari Navy doesn't use hybrid turrets, making an even bigger case as to why missiles are a primairy weapon system to Caldari at least.
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Tanaka Hobbitus
Bureau of Astronomical Research and Development
0
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Posted - 2011.12.01 10:02:00 -
[207] - Quote
Quick query -
Has anyone tried one in PvP yet? or is this just commentary based on EFT and the fact that it got changed from its original design.
If CCP changed it, I would assume it was because they wanted to give some players something different.
If it is a mini Rokh then perhaps its designed to be an entry level version so that players can get used to the role of a sniper whilst buying a ship which is more than half the price of a Rokh (based on Jita pricing)?
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Inturist
FSB-ALFA RED.OverLord
1
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Posted - 2011.12.01 10:09:00 -
[208] - Quote
Well , i'm also expected Naga to be an 8 missile boat \o/ !!! i tested in on SISI , liked it !!! But after patch i noticed That ccp removed missiles :(
Well , let;s see : we have 8 slots for ( large weapons ) Autocanos , artillery , blasters , railguns , beam lasers , pulse lasers , but we don't have an 8 missile boat :( , well , we do have one , which is raven state issue which is only few in game and if u will be lucky and someone will decide to sell it - 150+bil ???!!!
I'm not complaining , but it would be lovely if CCP would consider to make an 8 missile slot ship . Atleast make it 8 cruise missile boat or something . |
Smabs
Higher Than Everest BricK sQuAD.
5
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Posted - 2011.12.01 10:28:00 -
[209] - Quote
The naga looks like a pretty nice ship.
It does really, really good damage at range. It's actually a decent caldari rail platform that will be viable in a small gang. Blasters go pretty nicely on it, too. |
Mike Whiite
Progressive State
4
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Posted - 2011.12.01 10:37:00 -
[210] - Quote
Tanaka Hobbitus wrote:Quick query -
Has anyone tried one in PvP yet? or is this just commentary based on EFT and the fact that it got changed from its original design.
I think it's more the lack of a missile platform than it's on the Naga it self. common responce to that is that missile suck in PVP.
What ever happens, I think someone at CCP should try to make clear what they want with the missile platform or keep it as a secondairy weapon systems people keep telling me it was once intended for.
are they going to fix it, are they going to sell it as a PVE weapon only, although heavies and rockets seem to do fine in PvP, or keep it as a secondairy weapon systems people keep telling me it was once intended for, though at the moment there are more Caldari missile platforms then there are Hybrid platforms.
Which explains the great number of relatively new players that are more specialiced in Missiles then hybrids.
When making the step to gunnery it usualy ends up more intresting to use an other platform then hybrids. projectile/artillery for example opens up ships that can be used better/ faster than the Caldari hybrid platforms. the only Caldari frigates I see (I'm in lowsec) are Hookbills sometimes a Merlin, a Hawk and sometimes a Harpy.
but opening Minmatar frigates opens up way more ships which are superior and al it takes is 4 a 5 days of extra training, about 1 day to puch it to Minmatar frigats to 4.
I don't know when this Caldari change to missiles as a so called primairy weapon came but with all easy and the not so "cookies" being missile platforms, it is there.
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Sunviking
The Shining Knights
0
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Posted - 2011.12.01 11:19:00 -
[211] - Quote
I have to say, that I am pleased with the Naga. I don't have one yet, but will soon.
It is a great way for CCP to showcase the Railgun boost, and gives me another reason to train Hybrids, which are already part of my skill training plan.
10% damage boost to Railguns, plus the 25% damage bonus the Naga has, makes it a truly fearsome ship at long range.
After all, Caldari are the long-range fighting race, and the Naga encourages players to really adopt that tactic, which is what we are supposed to be doing with Caldari anyway. |
Onictus
Legendary Knights Vorpal's Edge
51
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Posted - 2011.12.01 13:01:00 -
[212] - Quote
Flurk Hellbron wrote:Naga is in fact a Gallente ship....... When is Caldari going to make a BC?
Please, I'd rather fly a Naga to be honest, Talos simply doesn't impress me. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.12.01 13:34:00 -
[213] - Quote
Katabrok First wrote:Ok, just to set the record straight, sorry if I appeared pedantic or the truth owner, it wasn't my intention. I'm not a native English speaker, so sometimes what I think in portuguese doesn't comes out good in english. What I meant to ask was how long you've been playing. Because in old times, a raven was expensive, and a CNR was the stuff of legend. We didn't had rigs then, and it was hard killing small stuff with cruises. We had to use our mids only for tank, so we didn't even fit target painters (no rigs, remember?). With the Rokh we could kill small stuff while they were approaching, faster than using cruise missiles. Today I agree, it is a subpar mission ship. Was I clear? Really sorry man for the negative idea I passed. Cheers, Kata Ps.: I know you said you wouldn't reply anymore, but just tell me we are friends now.
I'm sorry about what happened in forums the other day. Looking back at what I wrote I could have also been a little more discerning concerning what I wrote. No need to apologise at all, it was as much my fault as anyone's .
I'm not very old in-game about eight months in. What you had to share about the game was very insightful and I didn't know about the CNR being that expensive. I guess 'm just spoilt now because the ISK is so easy!
Once again,really sorry about all the negative vibes. Hope there are no hard feelings.
o7 Jake
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Herring
Fork In Your Face LTD
6
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Posted - 2011.12.01 13:42:00 -
[214] - Quote
Personally I would have loved the torp spec naga. I can see the gunnery people needing some love, but it'd be nice to address the problems with BS sized missile systems also rather than sweeping them under the rug like they did.
If I flew any of them it'd probably be the oracle. |
Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
11
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Posted - 2011.12.02 00:23:00 -
[215] - Quote
Jake, no hard feelings and I'm glad we understood each other...
o7 Fly safe, Kata |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
85
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Posted - 2011.12.02 09:21:00 -
[216] - Quote
The Naga is fantastic, and in my opinion easily the "best" of the four for small gangs.
It can be used in a wide variety of forms, puts out respectable to insane damage at a large variety of ranges depending on fit and can actually have something which resembles a tank.
In short, naga; it's good (tm) |
Salvia Olima
FREE GATES HUN Reloaded
7
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Posted - 2011.12.02 09:44:00 -
[217] - Quote
IMHO Naga should have launcher hardpoints. Torps for brawling, bonused cruise for ranged attack. |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
72
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Posted - 2011.12.02 10:21:00 -
[218] - Quote
Salvia Olima wrote:IMHO Naga should have launcher hardpoints. Torps for brawling, bonused cruise for ranged attack. why? to make it useless?? |
Beshenui
The Versa-Ex Corp
0
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Posted - 2011.12.02 13:22:00 -
[219] - Quote
Naomi Knight wrote:Salvia Olima wrote:IMHO Naga should have launcher hardpoints. Torps for brawling, bonused cruise for ranged attack. why? to make it useless?? to make perfect!!!! cruise missile give huge range wich covers the main drawback - weak defences |
Smabs
Higher Than Everest BricK sQuAD.
5
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Posted - 2011.12.02 13:37:00 -
[220] - Quote
It already has huge range. Why would it be better with missile flight time and horrible explosion velocity on cruise missiles? |
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Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
619
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Posted - 2011.12.02 13:39:00 -
[221] - Quote
Riddle me this please...
Can it shoot a large POS with blasters?
Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Liam Mirren
27
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Posted - 2011.12.02 14:50:00 -
[222] - Quote
Tbh, looking forward to flying it in its rail config, it's really really REALLY good that way. Massive dps with massive range. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude. |
Alaric Faelen
Huge Midget Gynocology Research Bureau
10
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Posted - 2011.12.02 15:29:00 -
[223] - Quote
Dead to me.
I trained Torps just for SB flying (don't have BS skills yet) which I don't get to use enough as is. The idea of having another sub-BS ship that fired torps made my day...then they pulled it. So I still have one ship that uses the torps I spent training for.
However, given the Drake's already formidable capabilities, I don't know how they could have made a 'better' BC than that. The Drake is nearly a tier 3 BC as it is- making a better BC than Drake would just be a BS.
As much as I wanted the Naga to sport torps, I do understand how that would have either needed to be a total glass cannon to offset the firepower, or some other nerf to keep it from being little more than a BS-lite.
Purely for selfish reasons- the Naga died the moment they pulled the torps from them. |
IainG10
Lonetrek Trade and Industries The Irukandji
1
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Posted - 2011.12.02 15:33:00 -
[224] - Quote
xSynnx wrote:So much QQ about Naga...
If you ONLY have missiles trained as a caldari pilot... you havent been playing Eve long enough. When you reach the point of "Ok im within 2% of my max missile potential, what should i train next?" the obvious course of action (to me) would be to train the weapon system for the other half of my race's (Caldari) ships.
Granted, i admit you have to train a whole new set of primary/secondary/tertiary skills, but dont you at least want to fly your races ships? Having played for so long i dont claim any races ships as my own anymore, only to say that i dont like caldari. That being said i have trained all turret based weapons (T2) of all sizes and even Missiles, T2 up to Heavy and HAM's. As i said before i dont particularly care for Caldari boats.
As a Caldari player if your still QQ'ing about turrets... your still young.
-XS
All of my QQing about the loss of torps aside, the problem is how the Caldari have their hybrid bonuses. While the Gallente get a bonus to damage, the Caldari get a bonus to range, and with the ability to warp to probes range, sniping doesn't work in PvP. I would love nothing more than to fly the race I have skills for, but as part of a PvP coalition I have to crosstrain Amarr for fleet ops. I have all guided missile up to T2, and rails are T2 up to Mediums, and I'm training large T2 rails for the Naga, but I doubt I'll ever get to use it. |
IainG10
Lonetrek Trade and Industries The Irukandji
1
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Posted - 2011.12.02 15:35:00 -
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Alaric Faelen wrote:Dead to me.
I trained Torps just for SB flying (don't have BS skills yet) which I don't get to use enough as is. The idea of having another sub-BS ship that fired torps made my day...then they pulled it. So I still have one ship that uses the torps I spent training for.
However, given the Drake's already formidable capabilities, I don't know how they could have made a 'better' BC than that. The Drake is nearly a tier 3 BC as it is- making a better BC than Drake would just be a BS.
As much as I wanted the Naga to sport torps, I do understand how that would have either needed to be a total glass cannon to offset the firepower, or some other nerf to keep it from being little more than a BS-lite.
Purely for selfish reasons- the Naga died the moment they pulled the torps from them.
The Naga way out-dpsed the Drake agaist BS when the had torps, but it lacked the tank. And all it is now is a Pocket Rokh.
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Maroxus
Strategic Syndicate
2
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Posted - 2011.12.02 19:38:00 -
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IainG10 wrote:
The Naga way out-dpsed the Drake agaist BS when the had torps, but it lacked the tank. And all it is now is a Pocket Rokh.
It was a Pocket Raven with torps. Now its a faster Rokh with more dps, but no tank. Instead of being compared to other sniping BS and deemed useless with the lack of alpha, dps, and excessive range; the Naga can move around hitting at medium range with good dps using lower range ammo. |
xSynnx
Requiem of Shadows Bad Company Alliance
2
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Posted - 2011.12.02 19:51:00 -
[227] - Quote
IainG10 wrote:xSynnx wrote:So much QQ about Naga...
If you ONLY have missiles trained as a caldari pilot... you havent been playing Eve long enough. When you reach the point of "Ok im within 2% of my max missile potential, what should i train next?" the obvious course of action (to me) would be to train the weapon system for the other half of my race's (Caldari) ships.
Granted, i admit you have to train a whole new set of primary/secondary/tertiary skills, but dont you at least want to fly your races ships? Having played for so long i dont claim any races ships as my own anymore, only to say that i dont like caldari. That being said i have trained all turret based weapons (T2) of all sizes and even Missiles, T2 up to Heavy and HAM's. As i said before i dont particularly care for Caldari boats.
As a Caldari player if your still QQ'ing about turrets... your still young.
-XS All of my QQing about the loss of torps aside, the problem is how the Caldari have their hybrid bonuses. While the Gallente get a bonus to damage, the Caldari get a bonus to range, and with the ability to warp to probes range, sniping doesn't work in PvP. I would love nothing more than to fly the race I have skills for, but as part of a PvP coalition I have to crosstrain Amarr for fleet ops. I have all guided missile up to T2, and rails are T2 up to Mediums, and I'm training large T2 rails for the Naga, but I doubt I'll ever get to use it.
On the contrary snipping is all massive fleet pvp is. High alpha is a viable tactic even in small gangs, this is shown by mobile sniper HAC gangs. Yes there are down sides, you arent getting the damage bonus a Gallente ship is, or the massive alpha a Minnie ship is, but you'll be doing your damage at much further ranges, and more accurately resulting in better hits since you'll be hitting closer to or below your optimal while others are deep in falloff. This in itself will keep your dps on par with the others because while you'll be hitting perfectly they will be losing dps due to misses and glancing shots.
Do not despair good sir, you'll put your hybrid skills to good use. |
Masatoshi Hamada
The Unknown Bar and Pub
0
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Posted - 2011.12.02 23:46:00 -
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Caldari have already many missiles boats. What is that good they have Naga, so the hybrids people have a ship to fly. Imagine Gallente only with drones! |
Dielax
Aliastra Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.12.03 00:11:00 -
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tried the naga out the other night with a fleet doing lvl 4's. I couldn't hit diddly or sqaut.
I have someone decent hybrid skills. tried both t2 ammos. tried blasters as well for poop and giggles.
Not one hit. not even a glancing blow. nothing.
Love the look of the ship, and had pretty damn good shield out of it.... but the 0dps kinda kills it for me.
Please kindly inform me of what to actually do with this ship as far as setup goes. Cause I am lost.
On a side note: Wish this was a missile boat :( |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
86
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Posted - 2011.12.03 11:32:00 -
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Dielax wrote:tried the naga out the other night with a fleet doing lvl 4's. I couldn't hit diddly or sqaut.
I have someone decent hybrid skills. tried both t2 ammos. tried blasters as well for poop and giggles.
Not one hit. not even a glancing blow. nothing.
Love the look of the ship, and had pretty damn good shield out of it.... but the 0dps kinda kills it for me.
Please kindly inform me of what to actually do with this ship as far as setup goes. Cause I am lost.
On a side note: Wish this was a missile boat :(
You're doing it wrong. L2P. |
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
98
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Posted - 2011.12.03 15:53:00 -
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Tanaka Hobbitus wrote:Quick query -
Has anyone tried one in PvP yet? or is this just commentary based on EFT and the fact that it got changed from its original design.
If CCP changed it, I would assume it was because they wanted to give some players something different.
If it is a mini Rokh then perhaps its designed to be an entry level version so that players can get used to the role of a sniper whilst buying a ship which is more than half the price of a Rokh (based on Jita pricing)?
Works great for me. We blew up 4 BCs really freaking fast, and they had a curse just the other day. |
Baden Luskan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2011.12.03 20:50:00 -
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Maroxus wrote:IainG10 wrote:
The Naga way out-dpsed the Drake agaist BS when the had torps, but it lacked the tank. And all it is now is a Pocket Rokh.
It was a Pocket Raven with torps. Now its a faster Rokh with more dps, but no tank. Instead of being compared to other sniping BS and deemed useless with the lack of alpha, dps, and excessive range; the Naga can move around hitting at medium range with good dps using lower range ammo.
You do that and you will not have a ship very long.
With artilery bing the proven PvP standard right now, you have to make sure that any lightly armored ship either gets under their range or far beyond it. If you place a Naga at 75k range, that is right in the sweet spot for artilery. Your Naga will die faster than it took to lock you fighting that close.
The only way any of these sniping ships will last very long is by staying out of range of as many weapon systems as possible and making sure they are aligned and at 3/4 speed at a celestrial, so when they do scan you down and warp to you, you can warp away.
Best stragety is to have a main fleet, say maelstorms or abbadons, engaging the enemy fleet, and having your sniping fleet warp in shortly after, about 130k (or more) away from the enemy fleet and behind their main fleet. Once this happens, they MUST start to spread out (afterburners are best for this) and keep their range so that when they do start getting scanned down and warped to, they are not all sitting ducks. Seeing as most Abbadons and maelstorms engage around 70-80k, having this sniping fleet 50k behind their main fleet would allow the main fleet to still have range on the enemy fleet and engage.
I really can not thing of any other tactic that would allow for these sniping battlecruisers to be used in large fleet fights. The biggest arguement that you can have against the stragety above is; why not just put the pilots who are in sniper ships in maelstorms and/or abbadons so they rae more useful? |
Dielax
Aliastra Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.12.03 22:33:00 -
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Dielax wrote: Please kindly inform me of what to actually do with this ship as far as setup goes. Cause I am lost.
Helicity Boson wrote: You're doing it wrong. L2P.
Wow. Your powers of deduction are simply astounding. Thank you for your observation and your considerable help. |
Mira Stargazer
0
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Posted - 2011.12.03 23:21:00 -
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Dead? No, but maybe ORE ships will be dead soon with more competing mining ships from the Caldari State. The Rokh is an excellent miner, Naga is a cheaper alternative to it. Now we are just waiting for Caldari state to present the ship that will outperform the Hulk. Next expansion, CCP? |
Maroxus
Strategic Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2011.12.03 23:37:00 -
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I was comparing the Naga to the Rokh, not the Naga to sniping BS. I don't see the Naga being used in large fleets, but in gangs. I was pointing out the flaws of the Rokh on how it fails its intended role and I don't see the Rokh being used for anything else other then trying to be a blaster ship. The resistance bonus can make the Rokh a brick, but it fails at that against the Abbadon. Unlike the Rokh the Naga is fast, faster then a Hurricane. It has speed and long/medium range with solid dps at the cost of tank.
That is more useful then the Rokh or a faster Raven with no Tank. |
dethleffs
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
1
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Posted - 2011.12.04 03:24:00 -
[236] - Quote
Dielax wrote:Dielax wrote: Please kindly inform me of what to actually do with this ship as far as setup goes. Cause I am lost.
Helicity Boson wrote: You're doing it wrong. L2P. Wow. Your powers of deduction are simply astounding. Thank you for your observation and your considerable help.
so what is wrong exactly with a ship that goes as fast as a shield cane and has the dps of a shield cane at 60 km? I dont get you torp people. Try being minmatar if you think crosstraining to hybrids is hard.
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Tusen Takk
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund 31ST Reliables Division
0
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Posted - 2011.12.04 03:49:00 -
[237] - Quote
i used to hate the idea of guns and loved missiles because they were easy
and then i switched to guns and noticed craploads better damage projection/easier crosstraining to other types of guns, and 7mil in gunnery later, i hate missiles
tldr eff da missles |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
92
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Posted - 2011.12.04 09:37:00 -
[238] - Quote
Dielax wrote:Dielax wrote: Please kindly inform me of what to actually do with this ship as far as setup goes. Cause I am lost.
Helicity Boson wrote: You're doing it wrong. L2P. Wow. Your powers of deduction are simply astounding. Thank you for your observation and your considerable help.
If you can't "hit anything at all" (which I rather doubt to be completely honest) You are doing one of 3 things:
1) your tracking skill are truly abysmal 2) you are attempting to use rails at blaster ranges 3) you are using the incorrect ammo for the range you are at
Use a rail naga at around 60km and try again. |
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
11
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Posted - 2011.12.05 05:29:00 -
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I just finished Lrg Rail spec IV the week before patch came out and am now in the later stages of large proj 5, lg arty spec right after that, so I'm pleased as punch and will get Naga and Tornado at same time. Caldari pilot BTW, so shields skills go nicely with both.Don't undertsand how you can be a Cal pilot and not have rails trained.Like the man said, then you were a missile boat pilot, not a Caldari pilot.If you can put gunboats in your fleet then mebbe you wouldnt have such a hard time putting a balanced one together. |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
95
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Posted - 2011.12.05 07:20:00 -
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We took a fleet of sniper BC3s out, success was had!
http://shadowcartel.com/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=24765
Note that we had 3 of the 4 BC3s in gang (the talos is not so great as a sniper, so it was absent).
The nagas did great, they won't outdamage Oracles or Tornadoes on carrier killmails, but they sit firmly in the middle ground of alpha/dps. To boot, they easily have the best tank (or you can be crazy and fit an ewar module here and there).
All in all the new BCs are pretty fantastic in this role, and will probably soon be nerfed (5 guardians and a triage carrier couldn't stop us from popping abaddons, let alone if we fired on a guardian) |
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Khrage
0
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Posted - 2011.12.05 16:37:00 -
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Helicity Boson wrote:We took a fleet of sniper BC3s out, success was had! http://shadowcartel.com/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=24765Note that we had 3 of the 4 BC3s in gang (the talos is not so great as a sniper, so it was absent). The nagas did great, they won't outdamage Oracles or Tornadoes on carrier killmails, but they sit firmly in the middle ground of alpha/dps. To boot, they easily have the best tank (or you can be crazy and fit an ewar module here and there). All in all the new BCs are pretty fantastic in this role, and will probably soon be nerfed (5 guardians and a triage carrier couldn't stop us from popping abaddons, let alone if we fired on a guardian)
^this.
esspecially in the BC3 sniper gangs they won't be the ones primaried either when paired with the other races due to its better tank and simply because the Tornado right now is considered the most dangerous out of the bunch. quite frankly this thread should be asking whether gallente pilots are mad thier BC3 doesn't stack up to the other in the role they are best in. |
Foofad
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
16
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Posted - 2011.12.06 00:18:00 -
[242] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:We took a fleet of sniper BC3s out, success was had! http://shadowcartel.com/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=24765Note that we had 3 of the 4 BC3s in gang (the talos is not so great as a sniper, so it was absent). The nagas did great, they won't outdamage Oracles or Tornadoes on carrier killmails, but they sit firmly in the middle ground of alpha/dps. To boot, they easily have the best tank (or you can be crazy and fit an ewar module here and there). All in all the new BCs are pretty fantastic in this role, and will probably soon be nerfed (5 guardians and a triage carrier couldn't stop us from popping abaddons, let alone if we fired on a guardian)
How were the BC3s fit? |
dethleffs
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
2
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Posted - 2011.12.06 11:29:00 -
[243] - Quote
Foofad wrote:
How were the BC3s fit?
not telling oohhtrolololololo.
seriously, it's not hard to figure out since we already said "sniping" and "60km"..
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Cadava Mendosa
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.06 13:53:00 -
[244] - Quote
just how good IS the tank ? |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
0
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Posted - 2011.12.06 15:32:00 -
[245] - Quote
Its not brilliant, anything between 25 and 50k ehp depending on ship and specific fit IMO. They said they were going to be glass cannons and thats exactly what they are. |
Cipher Jones
130
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Posted - 2011.12.06 17:07:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:From what they're saying, CCP has nerfed the torpedos right out of the Naga, rendering it solely a gunboat now. Personally, my only interest in it was as a torpedo platform... with this change I personally have completely lost interest in the ship. This isn't a whine or complaint... it simply isn't a direction I wish to go in.
How about the rest of you... you prefer the Naga as solely a gunboat, or are your dreams of a torpedo launcher now as dead as your interest in the ship?
Naga please.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Absolom Hues
Gurista Saints Assassin Confederacy
0
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Posted - 2011.12.06 20:51:00 -
[247] - Quote
Since I am both Gallente & Caldari skilled... I compared the Naga to the Talos.. and IMHO the Naga is a better blaster ship than the Talos. My conclusion is based on the lows of the Talos are filled with armor tank modules, but the Naga can use the lows for Hybrid weapon enhancements. The results is the Naga can have a higher rated dps & tank. Talos does have drones that can be used on smaller ships... so it does have that advantage. Talos can also tackle a bit better using both warp scram & web which can result in better application of it's dps.
I do like having 20km optimal with the blaster fitted Naga. Take into consideration... I have not applied these fits to actual PvP yet. |
Zyella Stormborn
Vanguard Systems.
0
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Posted - 2011.12.06 23:55:00 -
[248] - Quote
Vincent Gaines wrote:Eva Blacklist wrote:For me,the excitement of the expansion was the Naga plus torpedoes. To be frank, if I wanted a gun-based boat it would be the Oracle (which is major sexy). It appears the management of CCP continues to be out-of-touch with a part of its player base. The Naga is now competitive instead of another lolCaldari ship. CCP has listened to a long neglected, much larger part of its playerbase and a huge part of Caldari/Gallente gameplay. You don't know this because you started playing eve around the time hybrids became completely useless. I don't know how to explain this.. it's like trying to explain life before the internet to a person under 20. There's a whole big part of Caldari and Gallente playstyles that has been left behind and finally brought to the forefront.
^^^^^^ This
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Dead On Arrival Alliance
32
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Posted - 2011.12.07 04:32:00 -
[249] - Quote
60km nagas are multiply shield extended, Invul II, sebo and 3 magstabs (and probably 350's). But you can also go a 425mm fit with full gank no tank and land 980DPS at 85km. Or 540DPS at 250km if you really want to be out of the danger zone in a nice snipers calm.
The sniper Naga is the ****. The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu
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Misanthra
Alternative Enterprises
4
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Posted - 2011.12.07 05:59:00 -
[250] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:All in all the new BCs are pretty fantastic in this role, and will probably soon be nerfed (5 guardians and a triage carrier couldn't stop us from popping abaddons, let alone if we fired on a guardian)
nah....logistics according to many was getting out of hand. Now more "portable" damage on hand to push beyond reps/transfers. Could be a good balance to that. Portable in that these move around a bit easier than a bs.
Less logi, more tier 3 bc counter fire all good. make eve a better place long run imo with more fighting and less repping. |
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
98
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Posted - 2011.12.07 10:02:00 -
[251] - Quote
Trinkets friend wrote:60km nagas are multiply shield extended, Invul II, sebo and 3 magstabs (and probably 350's). But you can also go a 425mm fit with full gank no tank and land 980DPS at 85km. Or 540DPS at 250km if you really want to be out of the danger zone in a nice snipers calm.
The sniper Naga is the ****.
Confirming i just took part in the killing of a bunch of BCs in amamake top belt with my naga doing over 10k damage on most of the KMs with a naga. So far its my fave of all the new BCs.
And one of the kills was a Tornado and another a Talos. |
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.12.10 01:34:00 -
[252] - Quote
Onictus wrote:Flurk Hellbron wrote:Naga is in fact a Gallente ship....... When is Caldari going to make a BC? Please, I'd rather fly a Naga to be honest, Talos simply doesn't impress me.
As you say, 2 Gallente boats............
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
136
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Posted - 2011.12.10 15:45:00 -
[253] - Quote
Flurk Hellbron wrote:Onictus wrote:Flurk Hellbron wrote:Naga is in fact a Gallente ship....... When is Caldari going to make a BC? Please, I'd rather fly a Naga to be honest, Talos simply doesn't impress me. As you say, 2 Gallente boats............
Two Caldari boats. |
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