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Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.11.17 13:54:00 -
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From what they're saying, CCP has nerfed the torpedos right out of the Naga, rendering it solely a gunboat now. Personally, my only interest in it was as a torpedo platform... with this change I personally have completely lost interest in the ship. This isn't a whine or complaint... it simply isn't a direction I wish to go in.
How about the rest of you... you prefer the Naga as solely a gunboat, or are your dreams of a torpedo launcher now as dead as your interest in the ship? Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
40
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Posted - 2011.11.17 13:55:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:From what they're saying, CCP has nerfed the torpedos right out of the Naga, rendering it solely a gunboat now. Personally, my only interest in it was as a torpedo platform... with this change I personally have completely lost interest in the ship. This isn't a whine or complaint... it simply isn't a direction I wish to go in.
How about the rest of you... you prefer the Naga as solely a gunboat, or are your dreams of a torpedo launcher now as dead as your interest in the ship? i have no monacle.... so... i see no problem here |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
80
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Posted - 2011.11.17 13:58:00 -
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Naga. Naga!? I have no Naga. |
BuckStrider
Hardcore p0wnography Cascade Probable
2
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Posted - 2011.11.17 13:59:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:From what they're saying, CCP has nerfed the torpedos right out of the Naga, rendering it solely a gunboat now. Personally, my only interest in it was as a torpedo platform... with this change I personally have completely lost interest in the ship. This isn't a whine or complaint... it simply isn't a direction I wish to go in.
How about the rest of you... you prefer the Naga as solely a gunboat, or are your dreams of a torpedo launcher now as dead as your interest in the ship?
I hear the Rokh is kinda fun |
Terminal Entry
New Fnord Industries
6
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Posted - 2011.11.17 14:04:00 -
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There are four weapon systems (not counting drones), Hybrids, Lasers, Projectile and Missiles, it would be nice to have one of them a Missile boat, as it stands now two of them will be Hybrid based.
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Nyio
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
254
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Posted - 2011.11.17 14:10:00 -
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When I first heard about the new ships I didn't think much about it, except that the Naga would probably be a cool missile/shield ship and the Gallente version for drones/armor. Now that I've seen them both I can only note that these new ships are not meant for me nor my playstyle.
Tl;Dr: Not excited. F&ID: Skill Training, Agent Finder What is CCP Guard gonna do with that grenade? |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off Coalition of the Unfortunate
75
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Posted - 2011.11.17 14:10:00 -
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Missile skills take a significant amount of SP investment for Caldari pilots, what with most Caldari ships focusing on them.
It would have been better had the Naga remained with the option for torpedos. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
184
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Posted - 2011.11.17 14:13:00 -
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I am looking forward to a better rail platform. My understanding was that it has enough bonuses right now to make it a good rail platform...and I really miss my rails. Support our boobies!-áLINKY! |
DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
336
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Posted - 2011.11.17 14:16:00 -
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It may be a better ship now, but it isn't as exciting. |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
436
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Posted - 2011.11.17 14:18:00 -
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I wish it got real Weapons. =/ |
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
188
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Posted - 2011.11.17 14:44:00 -
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They could not nerf Naga it was never on TQ |
Sam Bowein
Sense Amid Madness
17
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Posted - 2011.11.17 14:53:00 -
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I think CCP chose the easiest way to deal with the Naga.
Making a viable missile t3 BC would mean fixing cruise and torps |
Jenshae Chiroptera
191
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Posted - 2011.11.17 14:53:00 -
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Naga + cruise missiles would be nice. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
Ripperljohn
Ore Mongers
10
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Posted - 2011.11.17 14:55:00 -
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With bonuses atm Naga will deal around 700 dps@ 70km.
wanted torps at start, but this will be funnier.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
300
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Posted - 2011.11.17 16:23:00 -
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With all the other tweaks that are going in, I think it was wise to focus the Naga on one weapons system or the other. I can see a case for either weapons system, but frankly there are viable platforms for missiles already... there really isn't one (commonly recognized) as being a good rail platform.
When you consider the nature of Rails, which are frankly better at ranges where you can use your more damaging short/mid range ammo while every body else is using their long range ammo to return fire, the Naga 's realtive speed and agility make it a good choice as a rail boat. It can do the sniper role from "extreme" range when necessary, but that would be a waste of the weapons system and the capabilities of the ship itself.
All and all I think the most interesting choice. We'll have to see how it stacks up against a rail outfitted Talos, as it would be a shame if the Talos made the Naga redundant with it's primariy weapons system.
What are the new bonuses? I haven't checked them out yet. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Nyio
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
254
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Posted - 2011.11.17 16:52:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:What are the new bonuses? I haven't checked them out yet.
The Naga is a Tier 3 Battlecruiser that sacrifices durability for the ability to fit large (Battleship-grade) weapons.
Traits Battlecruiser Skill bonus per level: 5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage 10% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret optimal range
Role Bonus: 95% reduction in the powergrid need of Large Hybrid Turrets 50% reduction in the CPU need of Large Hybrid Turrets 50% reduction in the capacitor need of Large Hybrid Turrets
Development The Naga was designed in YC 109 by Corporate Police Force as an anti-Guristas ship, sacrificing the usual robust Caldari Navy standards in favor of supporting battleship-class weaponry. It was rejected by Hyasyoda management for being overspecialized.
The Naga design remained in the Hyasyoda archives, forgotten (save for a cameo in the Gallente holo-series CPF Blue). In YC 113 the Caldari Navy entertained contracts for a new tier of gunboat battlecruiser. Hyasyoda quickly submitted and won with the Naga, underbidding both Kaalakiota and Ishukone.
The Naga is effective in any campaign where fast, mobile firepower is required. F&ID: Skill Training, Agent Finder What is CCP Guard gonna do with that grenade? |
Havegun Willtravel
Mobile Alcohol Processing Units
4
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Posted - 2011.11.17 17:05:00 -
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As it stands now it's a very nice gun boat, but honestly I don't think that was what anyone wanted.
Every race has a few ships that have a launcher high or 2 but it truly is Caldari's main weapon system.
The simple question is this. How many Caldari pilots have torp's or cruise 5 trained vs large hybrid 5 ? Every other race got to play to their main weapon systems strengths except the Caldari.
As it stands I can see the Naga being more popular with Galente pilots than Caldari. |
Opertone
Signal 7
10
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Posted - 2011.11.17 17:08:00 -
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Ok, CPP, this is how you treat us?
I will not come before the patch, nor after... You promised you'd give it. |
OT Smithers
Buccaneer's Den
11
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Posted - 2011.11.17 22:24:00 -
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Sam Bowein wrote:I think CCP chose the easiest way to deal with the Naga. Making a viable missile t3 BC would mean fixing cruise and torps
Yep.
So much for CCP's new direction. This BS tells you all you need to know about that. |
OT Smithers
Buccaneer's Den
11
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Posted - 2011.11.17 22:27:00 -
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Havegun Willtravel wrote:As it stands now it's a very nice gun boat, but honestly I don't think that was what anyone wanted.
Every race has a few ships that have a launcher high or 2 but it truly is Caldari's main weapon system.
The simple question is this. How many Caldari pilots have torp's or cruise 5 trained vs large hybrid 5 ? Every other race got to play to their main weapon systems strengths except the Caldari.
As it stands I can see the Naga being more popular with Galente pilots than Caldari.
Obviously. It's not even a Caldari ship. It's a second Gallente BC. The typical Gallente pilot, even assuming they lacked any Caldari ship command skills at all, could be flying this baby maxed out in a week. The typical Caldari pilot, having no hybrid skills or gunnery skills to speak of, is looking at five or six months to use this ship properly. It's ridiculous. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1537
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Posted - 2011.11.17 22:28:00 -
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It's still the best-looking of the tier-3s, so yesGǪ GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Augustus Royal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.17 22:43:00 -
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(I doubt this post will have any weight on this thread and it might make delicious troll bait... but)
As a relatively new EVE player (read tons about the game for a few years before trying), and as a pilot that focuses on Missiles...
I am disappoint :( |
Super Chair
Hell's Revenge Flatline.
29
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Posted - 2011.11.17 22:56:00 -
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Naga is everything a hybrid boat should be, shield tanked, damage bonus, range bonus. |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
116
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:00:00 -
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Rail Naga - 700 DPS at 100 km. Deal with it, pathetic whingeing Caldari carebears. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
208
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:01:00 -
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Super Chair wrote:Naga is everything a hybrid boat should be, shield tanked, damage bonus, range bonus.
I think the problem is a lot of mission bears were looking forward to an 8 torp platform to farm missions with.
In CCP's mind, this would have been the ONLY ship in game that fielded 8 torps (don't talk about the state raven or whatever it is theres like 4 left in game, all likely locked in an unsubbed hangar).
The DPS output from 8 torp launchers would have unbalanced so much that they decided not to do it, or if they did the ship would have needed to be seriously gimped in its fitting ability, so much so that people would have whined about that instead.
So, you get the Rokhs little brother instead of the ship that outclasses the Raven and Golem in every way.
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Archare
SKEET ELITE
2
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:02:00 -
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Havegun Willtravel wrote:As it stands now it's a very nice gun boat, but honestly I don't think that was what anyone wanted.
Every race has a few ships that have a launcher high or 2 but it truly is Caldari's main weapon system.
The simple question is this. How many Caldari pilots have torp's or cruise 5 trained vs large hybrid 5 ? Every other race got to play to their main weapon systems strengths except the Caldari.
As it stands I can see the Naga being more popular with Galente pilots than Caldari.
As a Gallente pilot I for one am more excited about the Naga than the Talos, and by excited I mean... meh. |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
119
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:06:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:Rail Naga - 700 DPS at 100 km. Deal with it, pathetic whingeing Caldari carebears. You keep posting everything I intend to before me.
Damnit. |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
119
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:14:00 -
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OT Smithers wrote:. The typical Caldari pilot, having no hybrid skills or gunnery skills to speak of, is looking at five or six months to use this ship properly. It's ridiculous.
And who's fault is that?
Caldari have been using Hybrids since the game started.
Every ship any noob has encountered has presented the race as both missiles and hybrids- not secondary, but both equal in terms of use in space.
This is not like it is with Minmatar and missiles, rails are and always have been just as important to Caldari as missiles. The ONLY reason that you haven't seen them trained is because CCP has ignored hybrids for going on 3 years... until now.
Since the Rokh, Caldari has received nothing but missile bonused ships. Golem. Scorpion Navy Issue. Tengu.
The motherfucking Tengu.
The Caldari T3 ship is a missile ship.
Shut the **** up you have a goddamned Tengu. Whining bitches.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
81
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:16:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Since the Rokh, Caldari has received nothing but missile bonused ships. Golem. Scorpion Navy Issue. Tengu. The motherfucking Tengu. The Caldari T3 ship is a missile ship. Shut the **** up you have a goddamned Tengu. Whining bitches. Doesn't the Tengu have a hybrid subsystem? |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
208
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:17:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: Doesn't the Tengu have a hybrid subsystem?
Its pretty underwhelming, and it wouldn't surprise me to find out it was the least used sub system in game.
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