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Daald
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Posted - 2006.06.03 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: Hey You
I find it even funnier that people complaing aboiut the whole WCS, and they suck at PVP, whatever. Then why don't you uber PVPers kill them? And don't give me the whole "They always warp" BS. Get an inty(Stilleto, FTW), and fit it with a MWD and as many 2 scrams as you can, + whatever other ships. Not that hard. You just don't want to adapt.
BE better disband now. Armed with this information your lame WCS tactics will no longer work.
Rejoice people of Eve for the +2 scrambler will save us all from the tyrany that is BE. ___________________________________________ Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence. -Murphy |
Maximus Krysdam
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Posted - 2006.06.03 03:00:00 -
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Since 90% of the posters on this thread took this post the completly wrong way i'll join in.
I respect BE for the simple fact that so many people hate them. They use a perfectly legal module ingame (in wich there are many ways to beat) and tactics to exicute their wars. Yet they get soo much flame for it. (well i guess ppl have to flame about something)
Anywho.. back on topic. I totaly agree that greifers war 'decing every corp with the name "Miner" or "Industries" in it is pretty lame. But That's also how alliances are made. People get together to help eachother out and eventualy become good friends.
Everyone's gotta start somewhere.
Max
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.06.03 03:53:00 -
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So many bitter losers in a span of only 2 pages.
And yes, it's pretty lame to wardec miners and sit in jita 23/7 to gank them. I've tried it and it bored me to tears. --------------------------------------
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Droewa
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Posted - 2006.06.03 05:22:00 -
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First to all the lamers who are crying that BE are noobs and such because of the tactic they use, Get a life, quit crying and play the game. here is a little clue. interdictors. the WCS is a perfectly legit tactic. For every WCS that is fitted that is one less rep damage mod tracking mod hardeners or what ever else you might use. if you cannot counter it, YOU are the noob. Dark centuri has been fighting with BE from the formation of FIX and before. they are very good at what they do and get nothing but respect from me, even though i will kill them without thinking if given the chance.
Now on to topic. let the guys decing small empire carebear corps go right ahead and do it. i hate noobs, they all complain like the tossers crying in this thread.
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steveid
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Posted - 2006.06.03 06:23:00 -
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TBH if empire wars are your thing then i dont see a problem with sitting in jita if thats what gets you targets. If your target is so dumb as to keep coming there then good for you. if your talking 0.0 > empire war, then i'm sure most will agree. However for those of us flying ships without 4 WCS's and ecm multispecs, anything much more than slightly over even odds means your gonna die unless your enemy are morons. Empire wars limits the number of hostile targets, and with that limits the risk.
It also offers the possibility of ransoms and presents pvp in a "sanitised" way.
Its the differance between picking a fight on a saturday night in town, and engaging in a boxing match. Both have there place.
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Darth Kidd
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Posted - 2006.06.03 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: Darth Kidd on 03/06/2006 13:17:23 LOL...when I undock from 4,4 in jita....I see someone shoot another...but that pilot may have been just trying to pay tribute to the BE monument
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cpskatan
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Posted - 2006.06.03 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Hey You TBH, I used to think that BE was ***, and lame and stuff, but now I've come to a simple conclusion.
If you're doing your job enough to where your enemies result to insults on you/ship setups/whatever, then you're doing something right.
I find it even funnier that people complaing aboiut the whole WCS, and they suck at PVP, whatever. Then why don't you uber PVPers kill them? And don't give me the whole "They always warp" BS. Get an inty(Stilleto, FTW), and fit it with a MWD and as many 2 scrams as you can, + whatever other ships. Not that hard. You just don't want to adapt.
hehe you think people will fit there ships just to kill BE and be gimped otherswise. you relly think your special dont you |
Logan Williams
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Posted - 2006.06.03 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
I find a BE rep criticizing fighting styles to be the crowning pinnacle of irony.
QFT!
Also thanks. I liked this comment enough to quote it in my sig.......Well, once I get it there. |
Heinky
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Posted - 2006.06.03 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Daald
Originally by: Hey You
I find it even funnier that people complaing aboiut the whole WCS, and they suck at PVP, whatever. Then why don't you uber PVPers kill them? And don't give me the whole "They always warp" BS. Get an inty(Stilleto, FTW), and fit it with a MWD and as many 2 scrams as you can, + whatever other ships. Not that hard. You just don't want to adapt.
BE better disband now. Armed with this information your lame WCS tactics will no longer work.
Rejoice people of Eve for the +2 scrambler will save us all from the tyrany that is BE.
Be will always adapt.
We already have tech 2 stabs rdy incase they boost scramblers.
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Daald
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Posted - 2006.06.03 14:09:00 -
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Quote:
Be will always adapt.
We already have tech 2 stabs rdy incase they boost scramblers.
Damn it!!!
There goes the neighborhood again
And to stay on topic. Most of this game's PvP seems to be based around the gank tactic or seeking out the easy kills. Not many seek out fair battles so they can improve their skill. People want good kill ratios and the way to get that is to kill the loners and the stupid.
If two good PvP entities met each other and only sought out each other, the only kills they would score is when the other seriously messed up. If they used scouts/stabs/fought at extreme range and warped out when things didn't go their way, they would simply never get kills except the odd scout who walked into an interdictor here and there. It would very quickly get boring and they would seek easier targets. ___________________________________________ Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence. -Murphy |
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Sku1ly
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Posted - 2006.06.03 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Heinky blahblah stuff
Aren't you logged off in a pod at the moment?
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Heinky
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Posted - 2006.06.03 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sku1ly
Originally by: Heinky blahblah stuff
Aren't you logged off in a pod at the moment?
yes ?
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.06.03 14:15:00 -
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REALITY CHECK
I for one HAVE and WILL continue to attack an alliances haulers in empire.
The reason being is that there is no better way to demoralise a larger opponent than hitting his industrial base. Applying pressure to the people who think there safe is a good way of creating *****s in the alliance
See You In Space Cowboy -Capsicum If im flaming or not contributing, im sorry. But im trying to get into the [23] |
Heinky
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Posted - 2006.06.03 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Daald
Quote:
Be will always adapt.
We already have tech 2 stabs rdy incase they boost scramblers.
Damn it!!!
There goes the neighborhood again
And to stay on topic. Most of this game's PvP seems to be based around the gank tactic or seeking out the easy kills. Not many seek out fair battles so they can improve their skill. People want good kill ratios and the way to get that is to kill the loners and the stupid.
If two good PvP entities met each other and only sought out each other, the only kills they would score is when the other seriously messed up. If they used scouts/stabs/fought at extreme range and warped out when things didn't go their way, they would simply never get kills except the odd scout who walked into an interdictor here and there. It would very quickly get boring and they would seek easier targets.
Trust me we seek out fair battles, and if everyone would be wiling to give us that we would not use the tactics we use now.
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Daald
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Posted - 2006.06.03 14:18:00 -
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Trust me we seek out fair battles, and if everyone would be wiling to give us that we would not use the tactics we use now.
It doesn't work simply because everyone wants to gank man. That's the problem I'm pointing out. How many kills would BE get if BE fought a mirror of itself? ___________________________________________ Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence. -Murphy |
Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.06.03 14:24:00 -
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Weak pilots feel they need to further there training in combat by hitting targets that are easy. I mean it's only logical to become a great combat pilot from hitting fake targets.
I for one gank haulers but not in 1.0-0.5 systems. I like to gank haulers in 0.4-0. Then again I'm a pirate and that's what I like to gain ISK from and or be annoying to alliances moving items around.
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Plutoinum
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Posted - 2006.06.03 15:31:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 03/06/2006 15:32:36 Just an idea:
- allow alliance warfare everywhere - allow corp warfare only in low sec. (mutal wars may be the exception)
Should mean: If an entity (=corp or alliance) declares war on an alliance, the fighting can happen everywhere If an entity declares war on a single corp, unsanctioned fighting may only happen in low sec (mutual wars maybe the exception)
P.S.: Hope this thread isn't locked already because of off-topic stuff. edit: sorry for the spelling
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Plutoinum
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Posted - 2006.06.03 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 03/06/2006 16:27:49 *deleted, f***ing wrong button*
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Plutoinum
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Posted - 2006.06.03 16:25:00 -
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/edit I've put my idea into an extra thread in the features&ideas forum now: Linkage
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Crax McGee
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Posted - 2006.06.03 17:16:00 -
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I think that 0.0 is becoming less fun. Interdictor Bubbles, recon ships etc have made it really risky to go fly around solo in anything bigger than a Interceptor/Afterburner Cruiser. Vagabonds are getting more and more popular as you can travel around 0.0 and safely get away from Gatecampers with its speed. For someone who enjoys solo pvping in slower fatter ships its esier to do it in an empire war. beeing in 2 current empire wars i still prefere 0.0 combat as u usually get more intresting fights but its harder to go solo 'n stuff, u kno? If there spelling mistakes its cause im dyslexic \o/
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Mandrake Knight
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Posted - 2006.06.03 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: Mandrake Knight on 03/06/2006 19:00:56
Originally by: Lireil Crow and BTW you may go into the hart of any allance but YOU DO NOT FIGHT! you run and run and run and run and sooner or later when you run out of T2 ammo you get brave and go up 150 to 200k from your 250k out and then you may get a kill but so we the allance.
I dont think of BE as good at all, I think of you as noobs, you dont do what it takes to get the job done. You put a FULL RACK! of WCS in your lows 90% of the time. That to me and alot owners are NOOB ways.
Come fight like men and not like boys who ba.. hasnt droped yet.
I find this statement hilarious, especially the part about wcs, coming from a member of ASCN. -----------
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Crucifier
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Posted - 2006.06.03 19:47:00 -
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Hah, ASCN use even lamer tactics than burn eden, 350v2. At least Burn eden a positive kill ratio in 5vs100 fight =/
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Admiral Seafort
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Posted - 2006.06.03 20:11:00 -
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I've never seen ASCN do 350 v 2. I do know what you mean though; you are suggesting that outnumbering enemy forces is a "lamer" tactic than WCS. I'm not going to go arguing the WCS thing, it's pointless.
But the strength in numbers is by no means lame. If your home territory is invaded, you would issue a call to arms. You would gather as many men as possible. And you would defend your territory.
How this is lame is absolutely beyond me. Maybe I'm too dumb to get it...
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SolApathy
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Posted - 2006.06.03 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Lireil Crow Edited by: Lireil Crow on 02/06/2006 19:09:23 I dont think of BE as good at all, I think of you as noobs, you dont do what it takes to get the job done. You put a FULL RACK! of WCS in your lows 90% of the time. That to me and alot owners are NOOB ways.
Come fight like men and not like boys who ba.. hasnt droped yet.
ah come on atleast u know where u stand with BE sure they fit all stabs but its gotta be better than blob warfare.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.06.04 07:58:00 -
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Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 04/06/2006 08:00:52
Oh my has this thread turned into a bash BE thread? All leaders and all alliances should go through each of these posts and start kicking out every member who disrespected, trolled, and flammed this corp for the fact it's utter stupidity to slam a topic based on the thread holders corp.
You see that would never happen and you know why? Almost every single one of you posting, trolling, and flamming BE belong to alliances and corps that are a joke. That means your corp or alliance really means nothing to the point your own leaders don't care you break the forum rules and make there reputation look even more ignorant.
Now I don't care if I'm out of line here but yeah someone needs to say it. All you fools who belong to alliances bashing BE need to step back and look at the big picture. You're in a alliance for protection, carebearing, and easy mode. BE is one corp that maybe has 5 members on at once. They fight against your sheep alliances picking you off 1 by 1 daily. Sure they might die, like you never died... Sure they have some ego, they earned it playing EVE on hardmode. Sure they fit stabs while doing it, and? Fitting stabs and hiding behind blobs are one in the same. Some say blob to counter blobs and guess what BE does? WCS to counter blobs. Nothing wrong with that unless you're new to the galaxy. Using EVE tools and tactics behind them is not wrong. It's wrong new pilots in this thread smash it like you don't hide or fly in blobs in the mists of real combat.
So to BE I salute you. I'm not in any big alliances or play forum politics so this might not be comming from someone super cool as some BoB member or something but you all have my respect.
(This post was inspired by ignorant pilots such as Deja Thoris)
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Avoid
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Posted - 2006.06.04 08:19:00 -
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The choice is either, to kill mission runners whit faction loot. or get wtf pwned by an interdictor, whit 5 fighters assigned, and a falcon cloaked as support. And if you do tank the fighters, you can be sure you wont get a kill cause you need like -4 before you have a chance to hold them.
There is so much crap out there now, that its not funny to go do pwp in 0.0
The risk of getting owned by something new, kinky lame stuff is just too high in 0.0 space.
I dont know were ccp, got the idea to create all those new ship types. The thing i wanted from my day one in eve, was not 100 ship types, but more ships in each ship class. like 8 bs¦s for each race and not 2.
and yes burn eden setups are lame. but you know that a BE have stabs on by defualt, so its not a surprice to anny1.... As long as they dont have a cloaked falcon right besides them, i dont care.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.06.04 08:25:00 -
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So it's there fault they play to win. Like it's there fault it works and kills people... Yeah that's it, I'll remember that one when fleets roll up on someones door step out numbering the enemy 5 to 1. It's not fair waaahhhhh, man up and find a way to survive.
If you can't handle tactics in EVE, hit the door. Because all I'm hearing in every BE thread are people crying because they're not smart enough to out think BE's so called "lame" tactics. War is not won by winging it. It's won before it's even begun. Lame or not, your dead. It's like real life isn't it? Welcome to the jungle...
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Fitz Chivalry
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Posted - 2006.06.04 08:49:00 -
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Edited by: Fitz Chivalry on 04/06/2006 08:49:14 No wonder our alliance hates these forums. This thread is nothing whatsoever to do with BE. Maybe its in the wrong part of the forums but there is nothing wrong with a BE guy giving his view and asking for a debate.
Would it have been better if he had posted with an alt?
To my mind its not so much the war decs in empire that are the problem as it is the idiots convo spamming people then sticking in gang invites as well in the hopes that you acidentally press return at the wrong time and accept it so they can gank you.
Abuse of game mechanics 4tl. There is a world of difference between using game mechanics your advantage and what are effectively sploits.
The default response for convos and gang invites should be "no" so that there is far less chance of accidentally hitting the wrong key at the wrong momnt and getting your self ganked. Otherwise everyone will just stick autoreject on and that a sad state of affairs in a MMO where the whole thing is aed around communications and relationships.
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Grimster
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Posted - 2006.06.04 08:57:00 -
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Agreed before all the w***age happened here and the thread got derailed - regardless, the OP put up a topic for debate, and it is kinda worthy.
The only thing that concerns me is that valid 0.0 or lowsec war dec, not only concerns knocking the hell out of each other but undermining the ability for the enemy to restock and recouperate, in short you need to break their economy too. Although a lot of indy's probably do operate under noob corps - a lot don't. High sec is usually where you're gonna find this infrastructure too.
I guess it's a case of having your cake and eating it.
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