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E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:15:00 -
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Can you or someone explain how thse changes encourage supercaps to just form larger blobs rather than bring in a support fleet?
Can you explain how this change makes gangs without suppers some how less viable?
thanks.
We need more to do, not more to wear. Let me know when-áCCP has decent content a casual player can access in a 1-2h play period that is actually fun and contributes to long term personal and corp goals. |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
108
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:19:00 -
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E man Industries wrote:Can you explain how this change makes gangs without suppers some how less viable?
You need a good cheese with your suppers. I tend to eat Italian, and find a healthy mix of Romano and Provalone gives anything doused in Marinara just a little extra "kick."
Love it. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
825
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:29:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Andski wrote:Supercaps are ... absolutely screwed when it meets a bubble isn't a terribly exciting prospect for a lot of us. Bubbles interdict supers?
this, my friends, is why RAWR has lost two regions within five months |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
108
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:34:00 -
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Andski wrote:Vincent Gaines wrote:Andski wrote:Supercaps are ... absolutely screwed when it meets a bubble isn't a terribly exciting prospect for a lot of us. Bubbles interdict supers? this, my friends, is why RAWR has lost two regions within five months
Here I thought it was half of nullsec coming after us.. but I am the all and end all of an Alliance
But yes, I responded before I remembered that yes they can. |
IGNATIUS HOOD
Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T.
26
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:35:00 -
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xxxak wrote:Anyone who attempts to use Supercarriers for small hot drops, small scale structure bashes, or other such non-blob work will be caught with their pants down and dragged to to a bloody and gruesome death.
I may be wrong, but if you have no support brosef this in fact should be your fate. Super Carriers got their [IWIN] button taken away and every SCAP pilot needs to adjust accordingly.
Adjust or die. 'perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim'
Be patient and tough; some day this pain will be useful to you. |
Froz3nEcho Sarain
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
142
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:36:00 -
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The only good cheese is melted cheese......
COME AT ME BRO!!!1111!! ~ When everything fades away, an echo is the only sound that will remain ~ -á-á~ Chaos is a name for any order that produces confusion in our minds ~ |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
826
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:38:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Don;'t use em, so not sure but aren't supers immune to EWAR (which would include bubbles right?)?
No, supers are not immune to bubbles. If you're bubbled, you cannot enter warp or jump to a cyno - you're stuck unless you manage to take the bubble down with your smartbombs or by neuting out the HICs. |
Paragon Renegade
Solar Arbiters
98
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:39:00 -
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Babybell is clearly the best.
Oh, and OP, stfu. If someone ever says "Super Capital ships are underpowered!" in the game, I swear to god I'll suicide gank them "Man, you aren't actually trying to do this, right? Nobody is that stupid right?"
"How wrong you are" |
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
556
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:39:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:Zagam wrote:
Seriously though... CCP's changes aren't forcing bigger supercap blobs. They are forcing supercaps to require a *fleet* of support. Supercaps aren't designed to OMGWTFBBQ rats or subcaps. They are designed to be anti-capital ships.
Indeed. Not even in real-world navies do aircraft carriers operate without some kind of support, whether from the aircraft they carry with them or from other smaller ships in the fleet. Because of their immense size and relatively low moblity, and the fact that most of their guns are designed for long-range bombardment, rather than anti-aircraft fire, operating without support is pretty much suicide.
Hold the phone there Sparky. The only guns we had on our carrier that weren't attached to aircraft were the CIWS (close in weapons systems, affectionately known as "R2-D2 with a hard-on") designed to shoot down incoming planes and missile... nothing that was a threat at all to anything at range.
And yes, they serve cheese on aircraft carriers.
http://www.myspace.com/lil44_69/photos/25069865#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A25069865%7D (This is not me, btw...) Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
339
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:39:00 -
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YOu could fly out of a bubble unless the bubble moves!
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
826
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:44:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:YOu could fly out of a bubble unless the bubble moves!
you'll be out of the bubble in no time at the blazing fast speed of 66 m/s |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
39
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:51:00 -
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Andski wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Don;'t use em, so not sure but aren't supers immune to EWAR (which would include bubbles right?)? No, supers are not immune to bubbles. If you're bubbled, you cannot enter warp or jump to a cyno - you're stuck unless you manage to take the bubble down with your smartbombs or by neuting out the HICs. Thank you for the correction. |
Thomas Orca
Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League
15
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:54:00 -
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E man Industries wrote:Can you or someone explain how thse changes encourage supercaps to just form larger blobs rather than bring in a support fleet?
I believe his point is somewhere along the lines of "Supercarriers only need a minimal support fleet because of the Utility high slots they have allowing them to Remote rep each other easily, allowing them to not require carrier/logistics support, and their remote ECM bursts, allowing them to not require ECM support. Meaning the only real "support" a Supercarrier blob requires is tackle(Which can kind of be replaced by officer points) and "moar supers". These changes don't really nerf Supercaps abilities in a blob, but simply require more/better tackle to hold down smaller ships. These changes also make it so a single supercarrier is quite useless on its own, as it loses its main strength of near invincibility and sheer versatility of doing everything as good if not better than nearly every other ship, while maintaining all its downsides of being a massive target in every sense of the word, and getting absolutely ****** by bubbles."
Now, that seems to me like its working as intended.
That said, thanks to dread buffs, a Moros can actually do more damage than a Nyx with 25 Fighter bombers, so everything coming together may be a bit much for supercarriers.
Titans are still pretty dumb though. |
SMT008
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
211
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Posted - 2011.11.16 22:24:00 -
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I think that Supercarriers are a bit like tanks in Battlefield 3.
Powerfull, you have your main gun, you have the coaxial machinegun, you have the gunner's turret, you have the CITV station and all.
But if you roll too fast and without support in the ennemy base, what happens ? You'll get hit by 2 RPGs, your vehicle will be disabled, you won't be able to reverse to a safe place because you're too far from any kind of cover or friendly engineers who could repair you. And you'll die in a fire because you though you were driving an invincible behemoth.
(And it works the same with attack choppers. They kick metric tons of asses, but if they encounter too many AA Launchers or AA vehicles, you better get out fast. Ask your teammates to clean those up with regular tanks, then you'll be able to fly freely and destroy everything they have.)
Go alone and you'll die. Go with a support team, they won't break the tank because of friendly engineers, they'll get killed by the tank's machineguns, the tank will wreck any sort of cover if the ennemy is hiding. Epic win.
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Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises The Silent One's
102
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Posted - 2011.11.16 22:28:00 -
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xxxak wrote:. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly. Ibis can fit a Warp Disruption Field Generator now? |
mkint
346
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Posted - 2011.11.16 22:30:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:xxxak wrote:. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly. Ibis can fit a Warp Disruption Field Generator now? You missed the tone of the OP. He's never stuck around for a fight and always logoffski'd if he was losing or omgwtfbbqpwn'd everything else. Smells like an ebay account, doesn't it? |
Trainwreck McGee
Ghost Ship Inc.
128
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Posted - 2011.11.16 23:12:00 -
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I forgot a seriously serious important serious point..................
5 year old cheddar is perfect cheese CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
133
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Posted - 2011.11.16 23:18:00 -
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xxxak wrote:
The infinite log-off timer is another example of just how blunt and confused CCP's actions have become. Certainly logoffski was ridiculous with supers. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly.
What, you mean your ship can actually be destroyed?
Astrid Stjerna wrote:Zagam wrote:
Seriously though... CCP's changes aren't forcing bigger supercap blobs. They are forcing supercaps to require a *fleet* of support. Supercaps aren't designed to OMGWTFBBQ rats or subcaps. They are designed to be anti-capital ships.
Indeed. Not even in real-world navies do aircraft carriers operate without some kind of support, whether from the aircraft they carry with them or from other smaller ships in the fleet. Because of their immense size and relatively low moblity, and the fact that most of their guns are designed for long-range bombardment, rather than anti-aircraft fire, operating without support is pretty much suicide.
In real life, aircraft carriers are also manned by 5000 men, not one.
I live, I post, I slay. I am content. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2011.11.16 23:24:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:Minister of Death wrote:it's about cheese now?
one word: HAVARTI Havarti, absolutely. A fine cheese, that one.
Olomouck+¬ tvargle/tvar+»++ky .. far superior to any known cheeses.. |
Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
15
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Posted - 2011.11.16 23:31:00 -
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Chaos Incarnate wrote:
if only there were ships capable of killing the mighty ibis solo
Made me laugh irl. +1
Also, Mozzarella. Especially when melted on just about anything. Sharp Provolone is up there also. Sort of depends on the mood. |
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
342
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Posted - 2011.11.16 23:32:00 -
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Whats that cheese they use in lasanga alot? was it alfredo or something or fettuchini?
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mkint
346
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Posted - 2011.11.16 23:38:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Whats that cheese they use in lasanga alot? was it alfredo or something or fettuchini? Alfredo is a bechamel sauce with Parmesan in it. Fettuccine are the flat narrow noodles. Lasagna usually has mozzarella and ricotta.
Speaking of ricotta, I know this place that has amazing canolli's. He does a vanilla ricotta filling into chocolate dipped shells. Food of the gods, I tell you what. |
Paragon Renegade
Solar Arbiters
99
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Posted - 2011.11.16 23:48:00 -
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You can't not be Italian "Man, you aren't actually trying to do this, right? Nobody is that stupid right?"
"How wrong you are" |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
112
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Posted - 2011.11.17 00:24:00 -
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That sounds about right for lasagna in the US. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
93
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Posted - 2011.11.17 00:34:00 -
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xxxak wrote: The infinite log-off timer is another example of just how blunt and confused CCP's actions have become. Certainly logoffski was ridiculous with supers. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly.
You are a dumbass.
13 days. Hope you bought a coat. Winter is coming. |
Destru Kaneda
CTRL-Q
6
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Posted - 2011.11.17 00:42:00 -
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I like Jarlsberg. Music for robots, hackers, pirates, geeks and miscellaneous nerds. |
Aloe Cloveris
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
38
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Posted - 2011.11.17 00:54:00 -
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Supercarriers can't deploy 25 sentries/EV-900s (* number of supercarriers on grid) to effectively one-shot the Heavy Interdictors that were introduced to the game specifically to tackle untackleable ships? What a travesty. I am truley sorry for you're lots. |
Spurty
V0LTA VOLTA Corp
52
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Posted - 2011.11.17 00:58:00 -
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So torn, want to post about "end game" nonsense, but now I have to say that Wensleydale is quite nice eh Gromit?
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Altera Athosia
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.11.17 02:17:00 -
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Yeah, provolone is my favorite.
Also, there's this one cheese that I buy sometimes that I always forget the name of... Comes in blue wax, and it's really creamy... That stuff is good. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
342
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Posted - 2011.11.17 02:20:00 -
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Blue? Ones I get around here are in red or white waxes. I remember trying to eat the wax once though. Thought it was the worst cheese ever until I was corrected later that day.
Oh and yeah super carriers have little to no business screwing with sub caps they way they do today.
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