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Elmonky
Titans of The Short Bus
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Posted - 2014.05.13 12:44:00 -
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What's the general feeling with regards to using Comms in Corp?
Had a few mails bandied around corp recently where our more experienced lo/nullbear was getting frustrated in the lack of members on Comms despite having access. I'm in the process of getting some of the newer players to get on Comms without resorting to rage. I even had someone quit today because he though being on Comms was infantile.
*insert obligatory grr, hi sec carebear, lol noobs here*
I am of the opinion that Comms is a good thing but I am also a lazy so and so and rarely log in unless we are doing anything - bad mojo I know, and I am changing that myself.
is anyone in a Corp that has been successful WITHOUT Comms?
Thanks
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6034
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Posted - 2014.05.13 12:47:00 -
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If they don't want to bother being on comms, don't even give them time to quit, kick them from the corp. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
1131
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Posted - 2014.05.13 12:49:00 -
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I highly doubt doing stuff in Eve as a corp will be successful without comms. I have been in a few fleet engagements without comms in the past, and it sucked... couldn't relay the necessary information, such as who is primary or when to warp out and so on, quickly enough to be effective and we got our butts kicked every time. I think you need comms to be an effective corp. All the really good ones use it, so should you.
Also, comms lets you get closer as a corp, you get to know each other better than if you just type. Lets people know you're a real person and so on. Hard to rely on someone too much if you cannot even hear their voice. |
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues Aprilon Dynasty
59
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Posted - 2014.05.13 12:49:00 -
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All of the truely successful corps use comms, not including high sec bears and industrialists as comms really isn't much of a "thing" for them :P
Comms are important and if someone thinks communicating during a multiplayer game is "infantile" i suspect they should stick to single player games or things like CoD where comms isn't as important, in PvP comms are essential, trying to call targets in text is never going to work properly unless the game is at 100% tidi and you have a week to type out kill orders :P |
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues Aprilon Dynasty
59
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Posted - 2014.05.13 12:51:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:I highly doubt doing stuff in Eve as a corp will be successful without comms. I have been in a few fleet engagements without comms in the past, and it sucked... couldn't relay the necessary information, such as who is primary or when to warp out and so on, quickly enough to be effective and we got our butts kicked every time. I think you need comms to be an effective corp. All the really good ones use it, so should you.
Also, comms lets you get closer as a corp, you get to know each other better than if you just type. Lets people know you're a real person and so on. Hard to rely on someone too much if you cannot even hear their voice.
The ones that avoid comms completely usually have something to hide or are pretending/trying to hide the fact that they might be a girl, its been a long while since i was shocked by a girl playing EVE or a guy using a female avatar, its pretty much the norm here :) |
Ryder 'ook
Die..Brut
63
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Posted - 2014.05.13 12:53:00 -
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Elmonky wrote: is anyone in a Corp that has been successful WITHOUT Comms?
Nope.
We tried it a few times. Here in EvE as well as in other games. And it can work if your gang is running like a well-oiled machine and everybody knows each other really well. But that one slip, that one little misunderstanding, that one little placement / deployment error is so much harder to correct if you have to type it out... Your error margin basically drops to zero.
Won't work in the long run.
It's ok to not be on comms when everyone is doing his own thing or when you mission half-afk or some such. But the moment you are doing even remotely complex things you want voice communication. That is my personal experience, at least...
Cheers, Ryder Every atom in our bodies was forged in the furnace of ancient stars - it's time we return home. |
handige harrie
Hedion University Amarr Empire
248
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Posted - 2014.05.13 13:02:00 -
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if we're not doing any Corp stuff you're free to be on comms or not, since some like to listen to music or have to tend to crying kids/dogs/cats. For roams etc, comms are a necessity. Baddest poster ever |
Elmonky
Titans of The Short Bus
13
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Posted - 2014.05.13 13:09:00 -
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Thanks for all the replies.
I can send my corp mates here for clarification.
Free likes for all!
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Audrey UntzUntz
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2014.05.13 13:11:00 -
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You will ideally be such good friends that even in times of solo PVEing you are still on comms chatting it up. |
Kristalll
Valkyrie Professional Resources
254
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Posted - 2014.05.13 13:11:00 -
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If they aren't going to be on comms, why are they in the corp?
Maybe there is some reason, like it's an alt for a specific purpose and they don't care about the corp as an entity. Are you okay with that?
Certainly ensure you don't go help them with anything unless they get on comms. GÇ£Die tryingGÇ¥ is the proudest human thing. |
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Nakami Saans
Perkone Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2014.05.13 13:15:00 -
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I feel comms are important to PvP situations or some of the harder PvE areas like a 10/10. Low stress situations are more for chatter if you feel like it. Comms in null in my old corp was meant as a precautionary for when a nuet or red entered system but wasn't necessary until they joined Strange Brew, then it was a mandatory "Be on Comm at all times". I found that rather annoying and dictatorish but it's a personal opinion.
From a personal note, I always feel uneasy the first time I get on Comms because my voice is a bit more feminine for a male.
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Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
1244
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Posted - 2014.05.13 13:16:00 -
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Remember to teach your infant children how to use push to talk, so they can pick up the slack on comms when you're AFK. |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
403
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Posted - 2014.05.13 13:19:00 -
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Depends on the time and the purpose.
You wont have a successful fleet operation without comms, but if you are casually mining or missioning, or sorting market orders, I can definitely sympathise with not wanting to have to listen to the corp loudmouth or commwhore droning on for hours about every dreary element of their inflatedly self-important lives*.
Like every tool, it has a purpose, and as long as your members are not compromising operations by avoiding using it when it is necessary, there is no point driving away a few of the more reticent, but reliable guys by pushing them in to situations they aren't yet comfortable with, when it isn't truly important.
* Every corp has one, and if you don't think your corp does, you might want to consider it might actually be you. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4192
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Posted - 2014.05.13 13:19:00 -
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Elmonky wrote:What's the general feeling with regards to using Comms in Corp?
Its a useful tool
Typing "GET YOUR **** TOGETHER ****-SPANGLES! IF YOU LET THAT ******* CONDOR POINT YOU AGAIN ILL ******* POD YOU MYSELF" is :effort: "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4192
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Posted - 2014.05.13 13:19:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Remember to teach your infant children how to use the push to talk key, so they can pick up the slack on comms when you're AFK. 10 year olds screaming in rage is also what makes Xbox Live worht the -ú40 a year "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
213
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Posted - 2014.05.13 13:29:00 -
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You only need it for ops. No need to be on it all the time unless you just like to have a chat. Also you don't really need it for mining ops or mission ops, but for pvp ops you definitely need everyone to be at least able to listen in. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
856
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Posted - 2014.05.13 13:58:00 -
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I hope DHD won't mind if I quote him from the best reddit post on the topic
Quote:Step one: Set up your jabber. Seriously, set up your jabber. No, nobody gives a **** if setting up jabber is a barrel of pickled dicks you only have to do it once and then you're set for life or until your next IT admin genocides your services. Jabber is straight-up essential for nullsec alliances. Being able to send out a ping to thousands of nerds with fleet name, FC, doctrine, whether or not it's reimbursable, comms channel etc. cuts out so much time compared to joining fleet and going "WHERE ARE WE WHERE IS THIS WHAT DO I DO" a hundred people at a time. People aren't on EVE Online all the time. Spreading the word on an important fleet via in-game chat is cool but you need to have jabber open and idle if you don't want to be That Guy who's taking 10 minutes to get all his **** together because he didn't sign up for some terrible chat server to get all his information right away.
I think a lot of people may disagree but Mumble too is crucial for fleets. I couldn't log on the first couple days in BNI and I was constantly a couple of jumps behind my fleet and not following directions. I was more of a liability than an ally. Take solace knowing that even after the sun sets, and your sky is filled with darkness, that the sun is still shining. -D. Entervention Psychotic Monk joins BNI |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2656
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Posted - 2014.05.13 14:07:00 -
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If they don't want to be on comms, you're not going to get them on comms.
If you want them on comms and they won't get on comms, then kick them out or bar them from fleet ops. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
Elmonky
Titans of The Short Bus
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Posted - 2014.05.13 14:07:00 -
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We use TS3. Multiroomed and password protected.
I've never liked Mumble. Ventrilo would be my next choice :) |
Lisa Gentilette
The Scope Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2014.05.13 14:10:00 -
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And what if I can listen in with a headset but due to the "environment" I'm unable to speak? |
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SKINE DMZ
S U P R E M E - M A T H E M A T I C S A Band Apart.
469
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Posted - 2014.05.13 14:12:00 -
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Elmonky wrote:is anyone in a Corp that has been successful WITHOUT Comms? I don't like comms, I feel it breaks immersion and doesn't allow me to just do my thing for example while partner and me are chatting etc / watching some TV on the side. It's always been a tough one finding a corp in this situation, Stay Frosty is a pirate corp and does surprisingly well at this, I think it's because most are solo pvpers, most fleeting is done simply by chat, there is no FC and everyone hunts for targets / calls them out.
Scheduled OPS etc is a different story, as well for bigger fleets or groups that have one clear FC I understand it is pretty much necessary. I disagree
RAWR IM TOUGH |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
857
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Posted - 2014.05.13 14:12:00 -
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I've found it useful as a player to have both Mumble and TS3 set up and ready to go. Some corps prefer one or the other and no one should have to wait for you to install one of them to get going..
I haven't run into a corp using Ventrilo yet, though..
Lisa Gentilette wrote:And what if I can listen in with a headset but due to the "environment" I'm unable to speak? Listening is a lot more important. You can always type short sentences in fleet chat. Take solace knowing that even after the sun sets, and your sky is filled with darkness, that the sun is still shining. -D. Entervention Psychotic Monk joins BNI |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
539
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Posted - 2014.05.13 14:13:00 -
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handige harrie wrote:if we're not doing any Corp stuff you're free to be on comms or not, since some like to listen to music or have to tend to crying kids/dogs/cats. For roams etc, comms are a necessity.
We try to have people on comms even if they don't have a mic. As was said earlier its easier to relay information during fleets. Most don't have to speak but just need to hear the commands ie align, warp to, hold, primary and etc. |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2217
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Posted - 2014.05.13 14:14:00 -
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Lisa Gentilette wrote:And what if I can listen in with a headset but due to the "environment" I'm unable to speak?
Then at least you're on comms and can listen. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Shey Nabali
Collapsed Out Shadow Cartel
10
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Posted - 2014.05.13 14:44:00 -
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At any given time, usualy at least half of the people logged in are on TS, and most of those who arent are afk. Using comms is a huge lart of building a real community in a corp or alliance. Being loged jnto comms frequently (as in, pretty much anytime you are logged in and active) is one of the requirments we have for our trials. |
Commandante Caldari
Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes
8
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Posted - 2014.05.13 15:18:00 -
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In PvP without comms you will lose. But it all depends on the situation. A small gang killing one target don't need comms but it will be much easier with. Typing is a big handicap. A gang without comms fighting a gang with comms will lose. They are disorganised and orders are delayed. Carebearing don't need comms. But overall comms will be essential. It's great for the social strength of the corp. Personally I can't talk on comms all the time due to my RL but when it's important I just need to listen. In theory you just need one FC speaking. From this pov there's no reason not to be on comms. Fast communication is power in this game. |
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers SpaceMonkey's Alliance
447
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Posted - 2014.05.13 15:28:00 -
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Lisa Gentilette wrote:And what if I can listen in with a headset but due to the "environment" I'm unable to speak?
at least in my corp i say even if you are unable to speak for whatever reason i.e. vacuming in the background, kids on a rampage or folks are trying to sleep. i find the important thing is you can still listen to important information through comms.
just remember the time difference between typing "warp out now" and saying it is an ETERNITY in an PvP engagement time frame.
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Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
214
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Posted - 2014.05.13 16:55:00 -
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Lisa Gentilette wrote:And what if I can listen in with a headset but due to the "environment" I'm unable to speak? A decent fleet op will bar members, (or they will know when to shut up anyway), from speaking over comms unless they are the FC or for some other specific purpose. Most intel can be relayed through the fleet chat or fleet window. You don't want to hear someone screaming "I need armor reps! I've been Tackled! I'm going down!" every ten seconds.
So yes, listening in and simply relaying stuff over fleet chat is probably fine for most corp/alliances. |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1015
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Posted - 2014.05.13 17:10:00 -
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Elmonky wrote:What's the general feeling with regards to using Comms in Corp?
My corp, if you're not on voice comms, you're not in corp. (exceptions for certain times of day, like I don't talk on comms after wife goes to bed, but still listen on headset.)
Odds are, they don't want to be on comms because they are an alt, and are in comms on their main's corp.
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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
150
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Posted - 2014.05.13 17:13:00 -
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Lisa Gentilette wrote:And what if I can listen in with a headset but due to the "environment" I'm unable to speak?
Push-to-talk will keep background noise from bleeding through while you're not speaking. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Jamwara+DelCalicoe+Ashley |
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