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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
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Posted - 2014.05.23 09:45:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Its the D&D style method of damage calculation and application thats the problem, though the whole transversal etc is okay it needs to be made clearer or at least presented in an easier way for new players to grasp. The Tactical Overlay should be rejigged to be more useful I think, but Im waffling now. This is exactly what i meant by UI improvement! Semantics aside, I believe we're basically saying the same thing.
Yeah I think you are probably right
"A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
248
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Posted - 2014.05.23 14:53:00 -
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La Rynx wrote:Why not more Popular?
From what side? Lot of ppl here hate WoW and their players. So some of Eve players don't like what other ppl consider fun.
Well, no, I don't consider grinding scripted PvE encounters over and over again on the off chance that some piece of gear drops so that I can help my guild grind the encounter 0.5% faster the next 100 times we run it until everyone has their gear and we can move on to the next scripted PvE sequence to be very fun at all.
I also think that Twilight is terribly written literature followed by equally terribly acted movies, that McDonalds is bad for your health, and several other "controversial" opinions.
Just because a lot of people like something doesn't mean that thing is good.
La Rynx wrote:Would there be a more even distribution of "good and bad" more ppl could get attracted.
Sandbox? What Sandbox? Go Mining, get bunoed. play missions, get pirated. You have to do certain things and can't do certain other things.
I've never understood why people seem to think that sandbox = complete safety from other players. That's the OPPOSITE of a sandbox: you're imposing arbitrary rules and restrictions that keep interesting things from happening in the game. Of course, people who play the game to do the same scripted thing over and over again without interruption get upset at this, but then given that WoW already exists, I'm not too sympathetic to their plight.
You can always counter what the other person throws at you. But if you're angry about having to counter them in the first place, then EVE isn't for you. Sorry.
La Rynx wrote:You better have a Sado/Masochistic streak in you blood vessel tp play it. Or you dont give a ****, but why should you play it then?
It's called, "Not being an incredible weenie," you should try it sometime.
Seriously, it's a video game, the worst that can happen is you lose some internet space pixels. Take losses on the chin and figure out how you can keep them from happening again. Chances are that there's a way to counter the exact activity that's got your bum aching. "EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6547
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Posted - 2014.05.23 14:57:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Hey guys, why isn't licorice more popular?
Almost everybody hates it, but the people who do like it swear by it. We should make licorice more like every other candy out there, that way the people who do like it right now won't anymore, and "the rest of us" can have it, even though we already have every other kind of candy. Well what really irks people is that EVE isn't just licorice.. it's black licorice.
Militant voice:
Why the Licorice gotta be Black? And why no mention of oppressive White Licorice tryin to hold a man down (with diabeetus)
/Militant voice. |
Miss Masquerade
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.05.23 15:10:00 -
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There is no way to show off your mighty collection of purples outside of Jita.
Without the risk of losing it.
Thats why |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6490
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Posted - 2014.05.23 15:11:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Hey guys, why isn't licorice more popular?
Almost everybody hates it, but the people who do like it swear by it. We should make licorice more like every other candy out there, that way the people who do like it right now won't anymore, and "the rest of us" can have it, even though we already have every other kind of candy. Well what really irks people is that EVE isn't just licorice.. it's black licorice. Militant voice: Why the Licorice gotta be Black? And why no mention of oppressive White Licorice tryin to hold a man down (with diabeetus) /Militant voice.
Once again, my friend, you have caused me to have to clean off my monitor.
But I do agree, this thread needs more Wilford Brimley. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Neutrino Sunset
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2014.05.23 15:37:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Control Methods = perfectly functional for the task I disagree. Apart from PvE so crap as to be a joke I think the control system also seriously lets this game down.
You're flying along in an inty doing 5km/s. Having got to the desired range on your target you want to now orbit that target at your current range.
Do you:
a) Right click the target, select 'Orbit At Current'.
b) Right click the 'Orbit at' overview button, enter your current range, and then click the Orbit button or Orbit keyboard shortcut.
c) Press the 'Orbit at Current' shortcut key?
If 'a', the range you orbit at using the 'Orbit at Current' menuitem is the range you were at when you started opening the menu, _not_ the range you are at when you actually click the menuitem. So doing 5km/s you have to wait until you reach the range you want to be at, start opening the menu (during which time you are massively overshooting your intended orbit range), click the 'Orbit at Current' menuitem, at which point your ship then attempts to backtrack to your intended orbit range (assuming you didn't already get webbed/scrammed).
If 'b' then having to use both mouse and keyboard to enter the range manually is far too time consuming to have to do at 5km/s in a combat situation. This is aggravated by the way the keyboard shortcuts work, which mean you either have to use the mouse to select the target first and then click the keyboard shortcut (and risk the shortcut not working if the Overview loses focus), or click the target while holding the shortcut key down (and risk activating the command on the wrong target if the view moves or picking a target out of a tight cluster of objects).
If 'c' then you aren't playing Eve because it doesn't have this or various other really basic flight control keys, is never likely to, and even the ones it does have work so badly as to be practically useless. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6548
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Posted - 2014.05.23 15:39:00 -
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Galen Darksmith wrote:
I've never understood why some people seem to think that sandbox = complete safety from other players.
This is the sand box some people think they are in http://www.notimeforflashcards.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/50-outside-activities-for-kids-sandbox.jpg
This is the sandbox they are really in (EVE): http://i.imgur.com/vqrNk.jpg
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Galadriel Vasquez
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
229
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Posted - 2014.05.23 15:42:00 -
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Because of Pingu. I have tin foil hat trained to 5. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6548
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Posted - 2014.05.23 15:46:00 -
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Neutrino Sunset wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Control Methods = perfectly functional for the task I disagree. Apart from PvE so crap as to be a joke I think the control system also seriously lets this game down. You're flying along in an inty doing 5km/s. Having got to the desired range on your target you want to now orbit that target at your current range. Do you: a) Right click the target, select 'Orbit At Current'. b) Right click the 'Orbit at' overview button, enter your current range, and then click the Orbit button or Orbit keyboard shortcut. c) Press the 'Orbit at Current' shortcut key? If 'a', the range you orbit at using the 'Orbit at Current' menuitem is the range you were at when you started opening the menu, _not_ the range you are at when you actually click the menuitem. So doing 5km/s you have to wait until you reach the range you want to be at, start opening the menu (during which time you are massively overshooting your intended orbit range), click the 'Orbit at Current' menuitem, at which point your ship then attempts to backtrack to your intended orbit range (assuming you didn't already get webbed/scrammed). If 'b' then having to use both mouse and keyboard to enter the range manually is far too time consuming to have to do at 5km/s in a combat situation. This is aggravated by the way the keyboard shortcuts work, which mean you either have to use the mouse to select the target first and then click the keyboard shortcut (and risk the shortcut not working if the Overview loses focus), or click the target while holding the shortcut key down (and risk activating the command on the wrong target if the view moves or picking a target out of a tight cluster of objects). If 'c' then you aren't playing Eve because it doesn't have this or various other really basic flight control keys, is never likely to, and even the ones it does have work so badly as to be practically useless.
Talking about overthinking a problem. What you should have done was looked at your ship before undocking, noticed the range of whatever weapons and modules that would cause you to want to orbit at a certain range, undock and set your orbit range. 2 clicks (click on target ship, click 'orbit' on the overview) and done.
2 clicks in combat is too much for you?
Right now thousands of people are playing EVE orbitting things with no problem at all. Ever consider that it's not a problem with the flight controls, but with how you use them?
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Neutrino Sunset
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
59
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Posted - 2014.05.23 15:53:00 -
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That there are workarounds does not negate my actual point, which is that ship controls in Eve are woeful (actually worse than any other game I can recall). |
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1490
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Posted - 2014.05.23 15:58:00 -
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Neutrino Sunset wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Control Methods = perfectly functional for the task I disagree. .... i can only add constant spamming of mouse/buttons and lots of hand work in amy pvp operation (outside of F1 monkeying). It's not that bad itself but adding server ticks and network lags makes it all one big clickfest....
For little example: you gate camping someone with cloak. 1) target appears 2) you press "approach" and "lock" 3) target cloaks up 4) ... after some unpredictable time (because of server ticks and network lags) your ship drops speed and stops 5) to continue approaching you need to press button "+" on your HUD (or how is the name of that thing with capacitor and stuff inside your screen?). 6) ... but until ship starts to stop your "+" doesn't help. Result: you need to spam button "+" to make it do its job.
And these spams are EVERYWHERE. Are key spams good for the game like Eve Online? Not sure The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6492
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Posted - 2014.05.23 16:01:00 -
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Neutrino Sunset wrote:That there are workarounds does not negate my actual point, which is that ship controls in Eve are woeful (actually worse than any other game I can recall).
It's not a flight simulator. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1490
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Posted - 2014.05.23 16:07:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Neutrino Sunset wrote:That there are workarounds does not negate my actual point, which is that ship controls in Eve are woeful (actually worse than any other game I can recall). It's not a flight simulator. ... but it uses strange things like speed: linear, tracking, angular, etc... ... but it uses ranges...
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Neutrino Sunset
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
59
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Posted - 2014.05.23 16:21:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:d) None of the above. I set my desired orbit distance for my ship and fit before I undocked. I hold the orbit hotkey and click on my desired orbit target in the overview. I'm surprised you've never been caught out by the issue where holding down a hotkey and clicking in the overview can easily result in you performing the wrong action on the wrong object as the overview add/removes/resorts items. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
668
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Posted - 2014.05.23 16:23:00 -
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Neutrino Sunset wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:d) None of the above. I set my desired orbit distance for my ship and fit before I undocked. I hold the orbit hotkey and click on my desired orbit target in the overview. I'm surprised you've never been caught out by the issue where holding down a hotkey and clicking in the overview can easily result in you performing the wrong action on the wrong object as the overview add/removes/resorts items.
Uh... overview sorting locks while you're holding a hotkey. I've actually had the opposite issue on occasion with pods - I'll hold ctrl in anticipation of locking the pod, expecting it to show up at the top of the list based on range, and then it gets appended to the bottom because the sorting is locked. |
Tosawa Komarui
Useless Incorporated
2
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Posted - 2014.05.23 21:36:00 -
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the tutorial being as bad as it is is probably one of them, twice this year i have been unable to get a friend through the tutorial in one peice. of course i have no problem going out there and getting them sorted with the game and teaching them things, but if they did not have this help they would probably have given up on whatever various part of the tutorial broke this particular time and with that the game as well |
Neutrino Sunset
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
59
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Posted - 2014.05.24 11:55:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Uh... overview sorting locks while you're holding a hotkey. Well I never knew that, thanks for the tip.
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Silky Cyno
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2014.05.24 13:22:00 -
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I think the gear grind MMO players that move around alot from game to game, trying to turn every game into world of warcraft just can't handle EvE.
Its like going from playing Candyland to Axis and allies. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
320
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Posted - 2014.05.28 18:27:00 -
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Silky Cyno wrote:I think the gear grind MMO players that move around alot from game to game, trying to turn every game into world of warcraft just can't handle EvE.
Its like going from playing Candyland to Axis and allies.
They can't handle Eve because CCP set up a pet player base years ago any one joining now is at such a disadvantage that there is zero point. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
751
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Posted - 2014.05.28 18:29:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Silky Cyno wrote:I think the gear grind MMO players that move around alot from game to game, trying to turn every game into world of warcraft just can't handle EvE.
Its like going from playing Candyland to Axis and allies. They can't handle Eve because CCP set up a pet player base years ago any one joining now is at such a disadvantage that there is zero point.
Do you ever stop whining about favoritism that doesn't actually exist?
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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Bro Tatoe
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.28 19:36:00 -
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"Why Eve isn't more popular?"
Because EVE is s**t. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1710
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Posted - 2014.05.28 20:17:00 -
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Bro Tatoe wrote:"Why Eve isn't more popular?"
Because EVE is s**t. In what way?
Im fairly certain this would actually come back to, not EvE being s**t, but you being s**t at playing it. Its always easier to blame the game than it is to take responsibility for the way you play it. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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OffBeaT
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2014.06.01 02:28:00 -
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Neutrino Sunset wrote: Another thing that was mentioned in the article was that most players who play Eve leave almost immediately, of those that don't most play entirely solo for a while and then leave later, and that very few engage with other players at all, but the one that do engage with other players tend to be the ones that stay. Well if that's the case and you want to do something to encourage new players to engage with other players, then instead of having the new player experience being nothing more than an introduction on how to run missions by yourself, why not instead have a new player experience that focuses instead on player interaction?
Thats me alright staying for the team work, the trust in you all, the love for evryone of you.
PvE? |
Vivec Septim
The Bene Gesserit Sanctuary Pact
29
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Posted - 2014.06.01 02:33:00 -
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Some love and care from CCP on PvE would be oh so nice. <3 |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6620
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Posted - 2014.06.01 02:36:00 -
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Don't necro threads. This thread was finally resting in peace. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Vivec Septim
The Bene Gesserit Sanctuary Pact
29
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Posted - 2014.06.01 02:37:00 -
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That would be on Offbeat. I just responded lol. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6620
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Posted - 2014.06.01 02:39:00 -
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Vivec Septim wrote:That would be on Offbeat. I just responded lol.
Nor was my post directed at you. It just registered with the forum way after I posted it for some reason. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
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