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Angelus X
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Posted - 2006.05.21 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight don't know this Ethan person
And you probably don't want to..
He's the [CEO] of a fairly large corporation in [ASCN].
And he logs off his haulers while under attack to (try?) to save his ship/pod. Anyone can drop me a line ingame for FRAPS if they don't believe. -----
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Nikolai Tesla
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Posted - 2006.05.21 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine Tbh, i doubt our leaders care either way.
The Ethan guy in question is not set to positive by us, so he'll be shot if we see him. Same goes for the LeMuppet guy so all actually seems quite fine to me.
They cared enough to convo Arkflyer and threaten him about it, assuming that chatlog is real.
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Greme
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Posted - 2006.05.21 18:43:00 -
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That's also assuming arkflyer is telling the truth..........
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DeadProphet
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Posted - 2006.05.21 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Kuari Slaveblade In Conclusion, to those BoB members here who havent heard of this "blacklist", I would ask your leadership what the deal is, because at this time Ethan has repeatedly told us about his "relationships with the big alliances BoB and ASCN" and how he will use those to follow us wherever we may go.
"The deal is" that it's a load of old rowlocks. We don't know your corp, don't care about your corp, don't know this Ethan person and don't care about him either.
There's enough tinfoilasshattery on this forum as it is without dragging us into handbags at dawn over people we don't know.
on the plus side, it does rather seem that the person threatening folks with our name is asking for some 'political re-education' perhaps ;)
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2006.05.21 19:06:00 -
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Gotta admire the spirit
Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful |
Aldir Rundal
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Posted - 2006.05.21 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Aldir Rundal on 21/05/2006 19:32:19 Mmmmm, Mergers = Bad.
In Every merger I've ever been unfortunate enough to have participated in, it has ended badly. I am thus a ceo who will always endeavor to never merge with another corporation.
And before anyone asks, no It wasn't my fault.
In this case, because of political war mongering, the situation is amplified. However, if Blacklight doesn't know about it, then I have a feeling it's just your MM budies that have been messing with you. I've even been there, thankfully not for long.
Having the spirit to continue is what counts. You've got it.
Recruiting |
LeBob
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Posted - 2006.05.21 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Ah so you are the famous LeBoB everyone is talking about in alliance chat, alliance mail, alliance forums and every local chat in every ascn systems.
Why didnt you post with your main btw?
I blame the beer.
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Virida
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Posted - 2006.05.21 22:27:00 -
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Hahahaha good tread
Angering any alliance shouldnt really matter in an such game, even if it was truth in that story. I spent the first time of pvp with suicide runs against bob in imperium alliance, and ive been podkilled or attempting to attack evolution, black nova, and all the big bob corporations, and i still is an happy player ,who belong to an SMALL corps in 0.0 who is not afraid of bob
we ARE playing this game for fun, though. and shooting someone who is friends of someone, etc. Do it matter in the long run? its many alliances.
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Neyland
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Posted - 2006.05.21 22:59:00 -
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BoB members. We apologize for bringing your name up in this manner. I'm sure the OP only did so after being told of your supposed involvement by Ark Corp and others.
I am one of the Blacklisted people it seems. I'm a 37 yo software engineer with a wife and toddler daughter. I play roughly 2-3 days a week for 1-2 hours. We've been ingame now for roughly 4 months. The split with TheMM (about 12 players out of 100+) occured in the first 2.5 weeks of our EvE experience. Our new corp went to war with TheMM with 5 of it's members in full fledge newbie frigates. Many players in TheMM who lost ships during the war were reimbursed for their losses by older members of the new corp in an attempt to keep things from getting overly bitter.
Five of the offended are from a gaming community we've particpated in for many years now. We don't have an official presence in EvE. We're mostly friends and shall we say prefer a different leadership style than what we found in Ethan. As a whole, we play video games as a means of relaxation after a day of work and kids. We are not into trying to find things in a virtual enviroment that we can't find in our real lives. Life is stressful enough.
We have attempted to work this out with Ethan, but he refuses to talk to us. We're in the process of trying to work this out with Cyvok. Cyvok is a rather busy player in this game as I understand his organization is currently involved in a war on top of I'm sure the thousands of issues that come up when being the point man for such a large group of players. Natually, he is currently siding with his Alliance member. But, he has expressed an interest in listening. He informs us that this issue has garnered alot of discussion amongst themselves. Needless to say this continues to amaze us being so new to the game
You've heard mention that this is all about one person. Ethan has a hatred of one person. This person was an officer in TheMM and headed those who left. He has taken time to help train us, teach us about EvE, and help us earn money. Mind you those of us who left TheMM did so without stealing or attempting to any kind of sabatoge. Ethan basically feels that anyone associated with this player (old or new) will be a target of ASCN and BoB, that he has the power to send those associations against anyone he chooses. He has informed our community that if we publically apologize to him and promise never to associate with this one person that he will give us a pass in the game. Of course after this thread that may change LOL.
What we would like? Our names off the blacklist so we can actually try to join a good corporation and go on about our lives. But, we have a problem cowtailing to someone playing the part of a virutal bully. I only post this as it's now become public. Personally I would have kept it private until all other avenues have been exhausted. But, there are those that just feel that the time they have to play has become so frustrating that this is the way they wish to address it. I understand where they are and respect their choice in coming here even if I would have choosen another route.
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Kuari Slaveblade
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Posted - 2006.05.21 23:26:00 -
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Quote: Moral of Thread: Manic, paranoid, borderline schizophrenic people often seek and rise to positions of power. Also, it is unusual to see anyone remain in the position of CEO without being moderately stubborn.
Quick, to the popcorn!
OMG! Thank you so much for the best laugh I have had all week!
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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2006.05.21 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Neyland well written post
Welcome to Eve. Stop worrying about some fictional blacklist you assume you are on because some asshat nobody said you were. If a corp in acsn doesn't want you guys, find one in another allicance and be done with it, or just build your own.
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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Shirei
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Posted - 2006.05.22 00:00:00 -
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ASCN are about 1-2% of the playerbase controlling about 5-10% of 0.0 space. Being 'blacklisted' by some of them won't mean anything much, if you go somewhere else... at all. You will find that politics in other parts of space tend to be a little more relaxed quite often.
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Calisto Cody
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Posted - 2006.05.22 00:08:00 -
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a blacklist heh
just find a nice empire corp to mission with
The Black Swan Society
Berneh is not appropriate for the forums - |
Neyland
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Posted - 2006.05.22 00:41:00 -
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Thank you all for taking the time to welcome us and give us advice. As a whole, our community members are very secure in simply ignoring Ethan and going on about our business. Our concern is being removed from a non ASCN alliance corp because our 'supposed' listing. This corp was as mentioned before Ark Corp.
I feel we may have found a good home for Bob and Kauri as they are miners/industrialist. An old friend of mine from WWIIOnline has made a small organization here perfect for them. They are located in the Thelan.
The other 3 of us prefer combat and PvP. We'd like to stay closer to our community members, but it's not something that will define our game play. We prefer a more relaxed enviroment without all this... drama. We prefer more mature people who understand that to us, real life always comes first. We also prefer a CEO who doesn't manage by 'This is my corp and what I say goes, END OF STORY' mentality.
Once again, thanks for taking the time.
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2006.05.22 00:50:00 -
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When I read this thread I remembered the nickname we gave to TheMM in tundragons: the macro marines well, it was just a nickname
Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
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Sato Kurosawa
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Posted - 2006.05.22 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: Neyland
We also prefer a CEO who doesn't manage by 'This is my corp and what I say goes, END OF STORY' mentality.
Hmmmm if you manage to acomplish this let me know |
Drakma
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Posted - 2006.05.22 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: Angelus X
Originally by: Blacklight don't know this Ethan person
And you probably don't want to..
He's the [CEO] of a fairly large corporation in [ASCN].
And he logs off his haulers while under attack to (try?) to save his ship/pod. Anyone can drop me a line ingame for FRAPS if they don't believe.
Say "hi" to MexFX for me!
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Neyland
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Posted - 2006.05.22 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sato Kurosawa
Originally by: Neyland
We also prefer a CEO who doesn't manage by 'This is my corp and what I say goes, END OF STORY' mentality.
Hmmmm if you manage to acomplish this let me know
Well I'll admit, we're new to Eve, but not new to online gaming. Organizational structure typically isn't too different from game to game. There are those that feel a dictorial type of leadership is required to keep their members in line. Most of these type of people tend to act in a middle ages king type mentality. As long as their followers are doing as the king feels they should everything is good and the king is benevolent. As soon as someone starts raising questions or disagreeing with group direction the king is ready for people to line up at the gallows.
For many people this type of leadership is just what they want. It makes things simple and uncomplicated. They just do what they're told and everything 'works'. That's not the way our community has chosen to operate in games we do have an official presence in. We use a more membership driven type of leadership where leaders are granted their powers by the membership body. Leaders place the desires and opinions of the membership body over their own. It's worked well for us.
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Kuari Slaveblade
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Posted - 2006.05.22 03:25:00 -
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Quote: Well tbo this respect you have gained for cyvok would probably be returned more if you didnt make big post about it and just convo people ingame lol
Actually, I would hope that he understands that you dont "rule" over what your friends/collegues feel they must do. Although, like Neyland, I was not pursuing resolution in this manner (i am/was going directly to someone who could assist) I feel it important to lend my support to my fellow community member in his manner of resolution <shrug>
Also as Neyland stated, we would be happy to go about our way, but we dont want to have to "think" about allying with someone and then being booted out after hours wasted organizing and moving things around because someone "notifies" the other party that they will declared if they dont.
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Aldir Rundal
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Posted - 2006.05.22 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: Neyland We use a more membership driven type of leadership where leaders are granted their powers by the membership body. Leaders place the desires and opinions of the membership body over their own. It's worked well for us.
I have to agree. I also have to state that I know what you guys have gone through. Even if I haven't been on anyones blacklist before. A corp should be governed by a majority of it's members. Not by it's dictator.
Originally by: Kuari Slaveblade Also as Neyland stated, we would be happy to go about our way, but we dont want to have to "think" about allying with someone and then being booted out after hours wasted organizing and moving things around because someone "notifies" the other party that they will declared if they dont.
You shouldn't have to either. In a universe where 26 thousand people play at the same time, you shouldn't have to be worried about the implications of one player, or one hundred.
I really believe that you people really deserve a good place to go, if you do decide to go anywhere. Pick up and keep going. It's served me well in the past, that and keeping your wits about you.
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HostageTaker
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Posted - 2006.05.22 03:50:00 -
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LMAO!
Yay \o/
Another "Umlat" type running around scaring people...
EvE Online Wallpapers
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Odinatoo
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Posted - 2006.05.22 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Angelus X
Originally by: Blacklight don't know this Ethan person
And you probably don't want to..
He's the [CEO] of a fairly large corporation in [ASCN].
And he logs off his haulers while under attack to (try?) to save his ship/pod. Anyone can drop me a line ingame for FRAPS if they don't believe.
Ethan Kel Coldplay
Tribal Soul War? ASCN standards must have dropped even further these days or ASCN no longer needs its leaders to lead from the front ...
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Gothmog
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Posted - 2006.05.22 07:33:00 -
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WTF is wrong with ppl ???
some guy posts he on a blaclist that is said to exist. Guy who told him about it does not like him.
Now all post about how not to owrry about the Blacklist, dont let ppl run u from game, etc etc etc.
****s sake, a CEO of BOB posts here that he knows nothing about this. Can ppl not just see that the chatlog is just a lie by some sad muppet who trying to get a power trip and scare someone?
I am sure 2 big allience will be othered about black listing a few semi noob players...
Jeez... engage brain before you post ppl plz...
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.05.22 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight "The deal is" that it's a load of old rowlocks.
WTF??
*gets on Google*
Rowlock (noun) - a holder attached to the gunwale of a boat that holds the oar in place and acts as a fulcrum for rowing
oarlock, thole, tholepin, peg, pin
dinghy, dory, rowboat - a small boat of shallow draft with cross thwarts for seats and rowlocks for oars with which it is propelled
holder - a holding device; "a towel holder"
It's bad enough that I have to deal with the commie-talk of NSN and TC in alliance chat, but when I can't understand my own language... - I have lost my sig until I get home. Anyone got a temp I can borrow?
History of the MC movie! |
Lungorthin
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Posted - 2006.05.22 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Neyland Ethan basically feels that anyone associated with this player (old or new) will be a target of ASCN and BoB, that he has the power to send those associations against anyone he chooses. He has informed our community that if we publically apologize to him and promise never to associate with this one person that he will give us a pass in the game. Of course after this thread that may change LOL.
I have a big sense of deja vu here with what you describe.
There was once this low life do-no-good wanna-be-dictator called Umlat from Geeklab who acted simmilarily. (Could it be that Umlat is playing Ethan now?) He always pulled his strength from claiming that he had the backing from Evolution the Powerhouse of the time (now Evolution is part of BoB). Very very similar, same argumentation, to the situation you describe.
As a prophylactic measure I shall mark Ethan as -10 on my list.
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Padua
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Posted - 2006.05.22 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lungorthin
As a prophylactic measure I shall mark Ethan as -10 on my list.
Congratulations on being so easily manipulated into doing what the original poster wants people to do |
Lungorthin
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Posted - 2006.05.22 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Padua
Originally by: Lungorthin
As a prophylactic measure I shall mark Ethan as -10 on my list.
Congratulations on being so easily manipulated into doing what the original poster wants people to do
A valid point. Still I will give it the benifit of doubt until proven otherwise.
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Kuari Slaveblade
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Posted - 2006.05.22 12:26:00 -
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Edited by: Kuari Slaveblade on 22/05/2006 12:27:51
Quote: Congratulations on being so easily manipulated into doing what the original poster wants people to do
Actually the original poster wants no such thing...What he wants is for him and his friends to get validation that they are not on a blacklist by either association, and determine who is contacting people directly so that an alliance cant be made.
BoB leadership has confirmed this (I think that is what I was reading), the ASCN leadership has not. This was not some kind of forum troll to start a vandetta, it was an airing out of an issue so that the parties claimed to be involved (namely ASCN and BoB) could have a chance to, should they want to, let us know WTH is going on heh.
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Drakma
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Posted - 2006.05.22 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kuari Slaveblade Actually the original poster wants no such thing...What he wants is for him and his friends to get validation that they are not on a blacklist by either association, and determine who is contacting people directly so that an alliance cant be made.
BoB leadership has confirmed this (I think that is what I was reading), the ASCN leadership has not. This was not some kind of forum troll to start a vandetta, it was an airing out of an issue so that the parties claimed to be involved (namely ASCN and BoB) could have a chance to, should they want to, let us know WTH is going on heh.
Ok, I'll also add that I know of no such "order" or "list" that the individual may be on in ASCN. Does that clear things up?
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Kuari Slaveblade
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Posted - 2006.05.22 13:01:00 -
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Edited by: Kuari Slaveblade on 22/05/2006 13:03:10
Quote: Ok, I'll also add that I know of no such "order" or "list" that the individual may be on in ASCN. Does that clear things up?
For the most part, yes, now to find out who sent this information to the corp we were a part of!
Hindsite being 20/20, I'll just warn anyone we join with that this is something that has happened to us in the past and to be aware that there may be emails and to confirm with us first should any communications be recieved.
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