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Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
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Posted - 2014.04.24 11:18:00 -
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This needs to happen. The constant whining about AFK cloakers is hilarious. Imagine no local, having to watch gates & dscan. There's already a space like that in Eve & it doesnt even have moon spew.
Nerf 0.0 |
Dave Stark
5026
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Posted - 2014.04.24 11:25:00 -
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Adoris Nolen wrote:This needs to happen. wrong |
Gempei
Marvinovi pratele Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2014.04.24 11:25:00 -
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omg, not again! |
Dominic karin
Trojan Legion Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.04.24 11:26:00 -
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OH LOOK AN ORIGINAL IDEA POSTED IN THE CORRECT SECTION!!
Oh wait everything I just said was false.
*sips tea* |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
103
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Posted - 2014.04.24 11:28:00 -
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Filthy NPC corp alt forum po-oh wait you're in a corp my bad. |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1815
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Posted - 2014.04.24 11:29:00 -
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If it's hilarious then why do you want it to change? BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
Snagletooth Johnson
Snagle Material Services CAStabouts
132
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Posted - 2014.04.24 11:30:00 -
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Trademarked |
Ramone Ormand
Black Watch Syndicate Vitoc Health Services
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Posted - 2014.04.24 11:31:00 -
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You also posted this in the Features & Ideas Discussion area
You're looking for a response in that thread and to troll in this thread maybe? |
Ramone Ormand
Black Watch Syndicate Vitoc Health Services
28
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Posted - 2014.04.24 11:32:00 -
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you worded it absolutely horribly in the Features & Ideas Discussion thread though, so maybe just trolling in both threads |
Meytal
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
367
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Posted - 2014.04.24 12:04:00 -
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Ramone Ormand wrote:you worded it absolutely horribly in the Features & Ideas Discussion thread though, so maybe just trolling in both threads Haven't read that one, but based on his usual "suggestions" in the Wormholes forum, it was probably par for the course with his F&I post. |
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Salvos Rhoska
1171
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Posted - 2014.04.24 12:05:00 -
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Agreed, it needs to happen, and I am confident it will.
Null sec has no right to automatic local data.
I think after it is removed, it could however be made possible for Sov holders to "buy" local data service, as facilitated by some kind of physical installation. ------------ |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
6168
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Posted - 2014.04.24 12:10:00 -
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Adoris Nolen wrote:This needs to happen. The constant whining about AFK cloakers is hilarious. Imagine no local, having to watch gates & dscan. There's already a space like that in Eve & it doesnt even have moon spew. Nerf 0.0
Bolded that part that makes 0.0 not wormhole space.
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Salvos Rhoska
1171
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Posted - 2014.04.24 12:11:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Bolded that part that makes 0.0 not wormhole space.
Its not NPC space either.
Why should you get the data for free? Who is paying for it? ------------ |
Dave Stark
5026
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Posted - 2014.04.24 12:12:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Bolded that part that makes 0.0 not wormhole space.
Its not NPC space either. Why should you get the data for free? Who is paying for it?
you don't pay for it in npc space either, try again. |
Belt Scout
Forum alts make you mad
318
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Posted - 2014.04.24 12:13:00 -
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People that need local are just afraid of the dark. Having no local list of names in w-space works just fine. (Unless you're dumb enough, or new enough, to 'opt in' with a pubbie o7m8 in the window.)
Get rid of local in the entire game and balance it by pushing the dscan range up and adding a special 'Pilots' tab that will populate when you hit scan.
It'll never happen because the leet peeveepee'rs need their security blanket. EVE's only legitimate ISK halving service. I have 500Billion to not give away. It's easy for you to double my money. Just send me some isk, has to be 100Mil or higher, and I will send you back half. I can't lose. One guaranteed winner every round. Do it now. |
Salvos Rhoska
1171
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Posted - 2014.04.24 12:13:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Bolded that part that makes 0.0 not wormhole space.
Its not NPC space either. Why should you get the data for free? Who is paying for it? you don't pay for it in npc space either, try again.
The NPCs do. They run the space. They OWN the space.
Do you not understand the difference? Or is your false sense of carebear entitlment blocking your vision?
TRY AGAIN ------------ |
Dave Stark
5026
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Posted - 2014.04.24 12:21:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Bolded that part that makes 0.0 not wormhole space.
Its not NPC space either. Why should you get the data for free? Who is paying for it? you don't pay for it in npc space either, try again. The NPCs do. They run the space. They OWN the space. Do you not understand the difference? Or is your false sense of carebear entitlment blocking your vision? TRY AGAIN
npcs don't pay for anything, they're npcs. and it's irrelevant what they pay for, not that they pay for anything.
nobody pays for local. |
Meytal
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
367
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Posted - 2014.04.24 12:23:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Bolded that part that makes 0.0 not wormhole space.
Its not NPC space either. Why should you get the data for free? Who is paying for it? you don't pay for it in npc space either, try again. The NPCs do. They run the space. They OWN the space. Do you not understand the difference? Or is your false sense of carebear entitlment blocking your vision? TRY AGAIN Technically, in Sov space, the entity holding Sov is paying for that space.
If all things were ideal, one of two things would happen: either the Sov holder would set up dedicated equipment to maintain a communications presence in the system, such as communications relay satellites, POS mods or whatever, or the gates/stations/outposts themselves would report entry/exit/presence in the system.
In either case, if you do not communicate with the satellites/gates, you would not be able to participate in local communications. So for example, if you entered the system via wormhole connection, you wouldn't show up in Local but you also wouldn't see anyone in Local or be able to chat in Local either until you were on-grid with a gate, station, POS, or whatever communications device existed. In wormhole systems, there would be no Local communications at all.
CCP took the easy-to-code approach in favour of true realism. Can't fault them for that, no matter how much I dislike Local :) |
Salvos Rhoska
1171
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Posted - 2014.04.24 12:30:00 -
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Adding a separate Sov payed option of access to Local is not unreasonable. The assumption that it is a deserved "entitled" mechanic, however, is completely false.
There should be no Local in Null, without the Sov holders explicitly paying for that privilege and service, whether thtough constructed and maintained infrastructure, or by outsourcing it to the gate authorities for an ISK charge.
Make no mistake, post expansion, when Null can fairly be said to be more profitable, it is time to start re-evaluating and adjusting exactly what it is that Null is taking for granted. Be prepared to pay for every single inch of it.. ------------ |
Dave Stark
5028
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Posted - 2014.04.24 12:32:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Adding a separate Sov payed option of access to Local is not unreasonable. The assumption that it is a deserved "entitled" mechanic, however, is completely false.
There should be no Local in Null, without the Sov holders explicitly paying for that privilege and service.
which they already do; sov bills.
so we're agreed local shouldn't be removed. good. |
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Salvos Rhoska
1171
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Posted - 2014.04.24 12:36:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Adding a separate Sov payed option of access to Local is not unreasonable. The assumption that it is a deserved "entitled" mechanic, however, is completely false.
There should be no Local in Null, without the Sov holders explicitly paying for that privilege and service. which they already do; sov bills. so we're agreed local shouldn't be removed. good.
Lol.
Thanks for showing yourself to be a self-entitled carebear. How utterly disgusting.
Sov bills cover a license to run that space, not access to the additional Local service. Currently, it is "gratis". That has to change. ------------ |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
6170
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Posted - 2014.04.24 12:49:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Bolded that part that makes 0.0 not wormhole space.
Its not NPC space either. Why should you get the data for free? Who is paying for it? you don't pay for it in npc space either, try again. The NPCs do. They run the space. They OWN the space. Do you not understand the difference? Or is your false sense of carebear entitlment blocking your vision? TRY AGAIN
Please link proof of NPCs paying bills please/thanks.
Local exists as a playability function outside of the lore. The reason we have local everywhere except wormholes is because the mechanics of EVE online allows for opposing players to meet quickly (a target is just seconds away via warp) and because EVe Onlines main mode of player travel are these artificial choke points called gates. There is also the fast travel option known as jump bridges (delivered via cyno).
Without local in space that has easy access (gates/cynos) and stealth mechanics (cloaks), the balance shifts towards the aggressor way to much to have a balanced game. no one in their right minds would use gate/cyno connected space with no local .
Wormholes work with no local because of the increase difficulty of entering and leaving the space. Other than getting podded, the onyl way out of a wormhole is via probing (some has to probe the exit, even if it's not you) and THE only way in in the 1st place is to use probes, which is a lot slower than just clicking a gate icon and warping.
Even with the increase time/effort it takes to find entracnes and exits to wormholes, wormhole space STLL the most dangerous (per capita) place in EVE while being the least populated.
No local (or only "paid for SOV local) in null (unless you change the way gates, cynos, warping, D-scan and cloaks work ie re-write the whole game) would be a disaster. And not just for null, but for the rest of EVE as Null is the destruction engine that keeps null working as well as the source of most deadspace mods/ships that high sec relies on for PVE activities..
TL;DR We've been over this time and time again in F&I and the in game situation hasn't changed, there is just to much you'd have to do to EVE 1st to make no local in null work without screwing up so much other stuff.
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Dave Stark
5030
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Posted - 2014.04.24 12:53:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Adding a separate Sov payed option of access to Local is not unreasonable. The assumption that it is a deserved "entitled" mechanic, however, is completely false.
There should be no Local in Null, without the Sov holders explicitly paying for that privilege and service. which they already do; sov bills. so we're agreed local shouldn't be removed. good. Lol. Thanks for showing yourself to be a self-entitled carebear. How utterly disgusting. Sov bills cover a license to run that space, not access to the additional Local service. Currently, it is "gratis". That has to change.
point out people pay for the space you say they should be paying for.... and i'm an entitled carebear.
i'm sure that works in your world of bunnies and stupidity. |
Yim Sei
Watchers of Tartarus
132
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Posted - 2014.04.24 12:57:00 -
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I Love these threads for the pure fear it instills in the nullbear renter community.
In fact I would hazard a guess that most of the replies berating or insulting the OP are said bears quaking in their boots that their safe little nullsec bubble might burst XD.
It DOES make perfect sense with the current 'scare' of nerfing hi-sec. Imagine a far more profitable, but far more dangerous null.
...but seriously if this did happen, how it would decimate the nullsec renter alliances - lol.
Surely a massive cut in the profits of CFC, Tangra etc - and that capsuleers, is why (unfiotunately) it will never happen. Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts. |
Lancastor Dex
BLUE Regiment.
28
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Posted - 2014.04.24 12:57:00 -
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Adoris Nolen wrote:This needs to happen. The constant whining about AFK cloakers is hilarious. Imagine no local, having to watch gates & dscan. There's already a space like that in Eve & it doesnt even have moon spew. Nerf 0.0
Shut up |
Salvos Rhoska
1171
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Posted - 2014.04.24 13:08:00 -
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Look at the Nullbears crying.
My god, its disgusting. ------------ |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2014.04.24 13:09:00 -
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Talks about whining?
Stop whining....whiner... |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
6170
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Posted - 2014.04.24 13:12:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Look at the Nullbears crying.
My god, its disgusting.
That's why you always end up in flame wars, because you aren't interested in the truth of a matter (or other people's opinions on those matters). I for one explained to you why what you want to think is wrong. CCP has been explaining it for 10 years by not changing it lol.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3306
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Posted - 2014.04.24 13:13:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Adding a separate Sov payed option of access to Local is not unreasonable. The assumption that it is a deserved "entitled" mechanic, however, is completely false.
There should be no Local in Null, without the Sov holders explicitly paying for that privilege and service, whether thtough constructed and maintained infrastructure, or by outsourcing it to the gate authorities for an ISK charge.
Make no mistake, post expansion, when Null can fairly be said to be more profitable, it is time to start re-evaluating and adjusting exactly what it is that Null is taking for granted. Be prepared to pay for every single inch of it.. If this happened, it would just be paid for as standard. It would be nothing more than another isk sink. The game would not change, people wouldn't suddenly be flying around in giant wormholes screaming "wheeee" and nuking miners, there would just be 1 more thing to pay for, and 1 more hurdle for any group that isn't an enormous group trying to claim a part of null. The large groups would just pass the charge on through a distributed price rise on rental space, while smaller, more independent groups would have to figure out how to source the income elsewhere, so *shrug*.
That said, it's never going to happen. The force projection issues in null sec pretty much guarantee that. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3306
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Posted - 2014.04.24 13:14:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Look at the Nullbears crying.
My god, its disgusting. That's why you always end up in flame wars, because you aren't interested in the truth of a matter (or other people's opinions on those matters). I for one explained to you why what you want to think is wrong. CCP has been explaining it for 10 years by not changing it lol. Never mind him, he just assumes everything is tears so he has fap material for later.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
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