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cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
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Posted - 2006.05.10 06:06:00 -
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At the moment im thinking the Caldari or Gallente. But if you could only pick one which would it be?
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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.05.10 06:55:00 -
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Edited by: Alliaanna Dalaii on 10/05/2006 06:55:36 Are we talking tech cloaky ones or the Combat Recons ?
I can only use amarr ships lol so im biased, But the pilgrim is a sexy belt hunter against anything that doesn't have wracks of Launchers lol
Alliaanna
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maGz
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Posted - 2006.05.10 07:37:00 -
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Both Caldari Recons are awesome jammers, however I doubt that their damage-output is enough to break even a half-decent BS-tank.
I have no personal experience with Gallente Recon, however both ships bonii looks great on paper (sensor dampening @ 150km 4tl or long-range tackling). However I again doubt that they have the means damage-wise to be a real threat.
Amarr Recons however are a different history due to the bonii to nos/neut. A Curse is a mean ****** with 3 nosses and will ruin most tanks at some point. Damage output isn't amazing, but paired up with the nosses/neuts 5 medium drones hurt quite a bit...
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Je'hira Osiris
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Posted - 2006.05.10 09:22:00 -
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Amarr ones are the only ones for solo pirating. they have the tank - nos- and the drones can dish the dmg. I have killed hac BS's BC'c and AF and intys in mine there in nothing better than declocking on someone and boneing them. Tho i have learnt not to chase TS that are just sitting in belts :-) Respect can be found for your enemy.... its jus a case of how hard you wanna look...
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2006.05.10 10:22:00 -
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The Pilgrim, without a doubt.
Stealth it up to 5km of your target, drop 4 points of scram, a web, a tracking disruptor II, a Multipsec and the equivalent of several heavy NOS on them whilst pounding them with medium drones that hit like heavies.
It's ftw
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FAsA
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Posted - 2006.05.10 10:27:00 -
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Im with Ikvar, its sexeh !
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Sha Xian
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Posted - 2006.05.10 10:50:00 -
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Dude, you are amarr, go with Amarr... I'm dying for the day I can hop into a pilgrim, warp around pick my target, mosy on over to NOS range, unclock, scram, web, NOS, JAM and let drones do all the work, grab loot and cloak and be on your merry way...
Then u can always call me in when u need a helping hand ;)
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sgt spike
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Posted - 2006.05.10 11:03:00 -
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im thinkin about training amarr cruisers purely for this purpose
can you put a price on peace?
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ian666
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Posted - 2006.05.10 11:05:00 -
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Pilgrim, Pilgrim, Pilgrim, Pilgrim, Pilgrim, Rules !
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Nato Xemus
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Posted - 2006.05.10 13:18:00 -
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pilgrim.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.10 13:42:00 -
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gallente are useless.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.05.10 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN At the moment im thinking the Caldari or Gallente. But if you could only pick one which would it be?
Never told us which side you wanted? Covert Op or Not!
The cloaking Caldari Recon is just a good support ship. The dps on it is really bad and it has no drone bay. So I wouldn't use Caldari unless you plan on using non-cloaking recon. Then yes, it would be decent because ECM = Overpowering.
This also falls under the Gallente Recons with damp layouts. They do work very well but solo wise, I would rather have ECM so that leaves me back to the Non-Cloaking Caldari recon.
So what now Mr. Muffinman! Well we could take Ikvar's idea and do the typical mimic things he does however, I mean what happens if you get in a heavy spot? 1 Multspec is jut not enough. It does jam but 2 jams and a bunch of misses is just not good enough if I'm fighting off 2 people. I already gimped my DPS by using mostly drone damage and now my drones are dead!
Hrrm what to go? Rapier
3xAutcannon II 4xHypnos Multispec, Web, Scram 1x800/1600 plate, Medium Armor Rep, 2xUtility
4xMedium Tech II Drones/ECM drones are nice as well
Cripple your opponents with ECM, DPS, and Drones.
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Garreck
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Posted - 2006.05.10 14:59:00 -
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Pilgrim without a doubt.
Though the Gallente are quite nice for their extended scrambling capabilities. They just really lack stamina.
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TribalBleb
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Posted - 2006.05.10 15:12:00 -
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Pilgrim is probably best for solo, tho i think the arazu can also do a pretty good job with rails and dampers
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Commander Thrawn
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Posted - 2006.05.10 15:19:00 -
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why do ppl choose pilgrim over the curse
im training for a curse atm, should have it in 2 week once my electronic skills are up to par.
it has a nos range bonus, dosn't have to cloak bonus, but also has en extra mid and extra high slot
one less low, but if the target can't hit you you really don't need much of a tank
4nos, 1cloack AB, web, scramble, 2 disruptors, multi rep, plate, 2 nanos
seems like a win win setup
pilgrim 3nos 1cloak ab web, scramble, 1 disruptor?? not enough, he's gonna hit you. multi?? rep, plate, 2 nanos, thermal harder or 3 hardeners
anyways i find the curse easier to fit and cheaper
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Je'hira Osiris
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Posted - 2006.05.10 15:23:00 -
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DAM!!! dont worry about missled you can fit a hell of a tank on the pilgram and even if they manage to keep firing i.e they have 220 or missles then you have a tracking disruptor for the 220's and a cladair jamer for th missles ive killed 2x ferox and 2 x caracel in mine... LOVE THIS SHIP>
tho i have lost 2 :-S and its an expencive lost with the eqipment
CCP PLZ PLZ PLZ O PLZ DONT NURF IT!!! Respect can be found for your enemy.... its jus a case of how hard you wanna look...
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2006.05.10 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Thrawn why do ppl choose pilgrim over the curse
im training for a curse atm, should have it in 2 week once my electronic skills are up to par.
it has a nos range bonus, dosn't have to cloak bonus, but also has en extra mid and extra high slot
one less low, but if the target can't hit you you really don't need much of a tank
4nos, 1cloack AB, web, scramble, 2 disruptors, multi rep, plate, 2 nanos
seems like a win win setup
pilgrim 3nos 1cloak ab web, scramble, 1 disruptor?? not enough, he's gonna hit you. multi?? rep, plate, 2 nanos, thermal harder or 3 hardeners
anyways i find the curse easier to fit and cheaper
Curse cannot use a covert ops cloak, so cannot sneak up on people like the pilgrim can.
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Cerberal
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Posted - 2006.05.10 15:33:00 -
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No mentions about huginn?
Not only can you stay out of nos and web range of most any bc and lower (battleship is a different story), you can keep them immobile and shoot them down with artillery and heavy/assault missiles.
Id orbit at 16k, and laugh in most cases.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.10 15:49:00 -
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pilgrim all the way
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.05.10 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Thrawn why do ppl choose pilgrim over the curse
im training for a curse atm, should have it in 2 week once my electronic skills are up to par.
it has a nos range bonus, dosn't have to cloak bonus, but also has en extra mid and extra high slot
one less low, but if the target can't hit you you really don't need much of a tank
4nos, 1cloack AB, web, scramble, 2 disruptors, multi rep, plate, 2 nanos
seems like a win win setup
pilgrim 3nos 1cloak ab web, scramble, 1 disruptor?? not enough, he's gonna hit you. multi?? rep, plate, 2 nanos, thermal harder or 3 hardeners
anyways i find the curse easier to fit and cheaper
Crse cant fit a cloak, Pilgrim doesnt need an ab because it can warp and fly while cloaked. Cloaking = Major advantage.
Anyway, i like the Arazu, two of us killed a raven a while back, it took a while but he couldnt lock us or warp away so we had all the time in the world, plus the 30km warp scrambling range is handy.
3x 7.5km scram + 3x damp II = handy for keeping stuff with stabs in place, however since you do not have a web or ab this only works against slow targets. -------
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Jennifae
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Posted - 2006.05.10 18:34:00 -
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Are these recon ships that can warp the same ones with the bonuses to cynofield isotope consumption, etc?
Can these ships open a field whilst cloaked?
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Commander Thrawn
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Posted - 2006.05.10 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifae Are these recon ships that can warp the same ones with the bonuses to cynofield isotope consumption, etc?
Can these ships open a field whilst cloaked?
question 1, yes the ones that warp are the same that have the cynos bonus question 2: they are supposed to be able to but this is bugged out at to moment and you canot have a cloak at all it would seem whne a cyno is fitted whether its activated or not
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2006.05.10 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Well we could take Ikvar's idea and do the typical mimic things he does however
Oh, don't worry Famine, one day you'll be as cool as me and you'll be able to stop making yourself look stupid by furiously smacking me at every avaliable opportunity
Originally by: xsolarisx eve-online takes money out my credit card each month without my permission
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Shinnen
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Posted - 2006.05.10 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC gallente are useless.
Fo' ****z
Shinnen ------------------
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dailyhazard
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Posted - 2006.05.10 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ikvar
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Well we could take Ikvar's idea and do the typical mimic things he does however
Oh, don't worry Famine, one day you'll be as cool as me and you'll be able to stop making yourself look stupid by furiously smacking me at every avaliable opportunity
Oh, dont worry ikvar, one day you'll be as cool as me, and you'll stop making yourself look stupid by making posts saying your cool and smacking everyone who is just wanting to have sex with you
But she's hot, SHE MAY BE THE ONLY WOMAN I EVER HAVE - DAILY
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cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
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Posted - 2006.05.11 02:17:00 -
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People like pilgrim more then curse cause its soloing requires sneaky eaky. However can a pilgrim tank a raven pilot? Wouldnt only Falcon or The Arazu be able to kill it with ECM or Sensor Dampening? The Falcon would be the l33tist but cant deal crap for damage with only 2-220vulcan autos and 2med nos or med nos and 1 heavy launcher.
Can a curse rank a decent raven pilot?
btw talking about covert ops cloak recon cruisers to warp cloaked :D:D:D:D.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.05.11 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN Edited by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN on 11/05/2006 02:26:21 People like pilgrim more then curse cause its soloing requires sneaky eaky. However can a pilgrim tank a raven pilot? Wouldnt only Falcon or The Arazu be able to kill it with ECM or Sensor Dampening? The Falcon would be the l33tist but cant deal crap for damage with only 2-220vulcan autos and 2med nos or med nos and 1 heavy launcher.
Can a curse tank a decent raven pilot?
btw talking about covert ops cloak recon cruisers to warp cloaked :D:D:D:D.
Damps to me are good for a decently quick kill. You get in, you damp, and you prolong his locking on you so by the time lock is aquired the target is dead. This is not what a recon can do solo vs a battleship. Your only hope is prolonging the lock then shrinking the range where you can feel safe in while snaring your target. So then the only things to worrie about is breaking the tank and sustaining the crippling affect on your target so you stay safe. Simple on paper isn't it? =) (Remember damps work best when you aquire lock first. Cloaking = Recab time)
ECM is good and bad. 1 ECM can do the same tricks as damps. You can get a good jam on the first cycle which can give you enough time to get a great head start while the next might fail. Hence good tanks with low ECM count. It's not about fully target jamming every cycle but more about every other cycle to make you seem more stronger. It's effective yet it's not really as reliable in meaning to risky per fight. Sometimes it swings your way the next you get nothing. Is that really what you want? (Laughs at Ikvar)
Then you have setups like full complex EW platforms. Like the nice 6 mid slot recons where you can jam a lot of ECM's on. So you can always have a long nice jam almost every cycle with very few fails. Stuff that can be more reliable and more effective in combat to cripple your opponent.
Hope that helps some...
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