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Mr R4nd0m
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:11:00 -
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Please dont jsut make this yet another tweak and balance expansation, this will be a third in a row! I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:13:00 -
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Mmmkay.
Is your stuff spoken for? Because if not.... Dibs. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:15:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote: I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt
CCP Says;
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Teyr Schmitt
An Errant Venture
1
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:16:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:Please dont just make this yet another tweak and balance expansion, this will be a third in a row! I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt
It's a tweak and balance expansion, but the changes are HUGE!
Oh, wait, you're not an Industrialist?
You're screwed.
:P
You realize that it's because all CCP ever did was the big content expansions that were never revisited that their playerbase forced them to do all these tweak and balance expansions, right? |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5750
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:16:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:Please dont jsut make this yet another tweak and balance expansation, this will be a third in a row! I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt
I am willing to accept a one time transferring of now unneeded valuables that you may wish to be rid of.
CCp damn near died trying to give people "Jesus Features" that they would then go on to forget about (sure, CCPs gonna get around to finishing COSMOS one of these days, i just know it).
What we as a community told them is "fix the game, screw the big stuff" and that's what they've been doing. The game is soooo much better than it was in 2009 because of it. CCP should keep doing that. Oh how easily people forget the past.
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Mr R4nd0m
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:20:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:Please dont jsut make this yet another tweak and balance expansation, this will be a third in a row! I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt I am willing to accept a one time transferring of now unneeded valuables that you may wish to be rid of. CCp damn near died trying to give people "Jesus Features" that they would then go on to forget about (sure, CCPs gonna get around to finishing COSMOS one of these days, i just know it). What we as a community told them is "fix the game, screw the big stuff" and that's what they've been doing. The game is soooo much better than it was in 2009 because of it. CCP should keep doing that. Oh how easily people forget the past.
Well if thats your opinion then fine. But 3 expansions in a row of it and nothing decent otherwise is not good. and im sorry but when you played for many years, just tweaks doesnt really make the game feel any different or better. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3200
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:23:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:Please dont jsut make this yet another tweak and balance expansation, this will be a third in a row! I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt I am willing to accept a one time transferring of now unneeded valuables that you may wish to be rid of. CCp damn near died trying to give people "Jesus Features" that they would then go on to forget about (sure, CCPs gonna get around to finishing COSMOS one of these days, i just know it). What we as a community told them is "fix the game, screw the big stuff" and that's what they've been doing. The game is soooo much better than it was in 2009 because of it. CCP should keep doing that. Oh how easily people forget the past. Well if thats your opinion then fine. But 3 expansions in a row of it and nothing decent otherwise is not good. and im sorry but when you played for many years, just tweaks doesnt really make the game feel any different or better.
But... I dont want it to be different.
What would you change and add in the expansion if you were Mr Seeseepee? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Mr R4nd0m
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:26:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:Please dont jsut make this yet another tweak and balance expansation, this will be a third in a row! I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt I am willing to accept a one time transferring of now unneeded valuables that you may wish to be rid of. CCp damn near died trying to give people "Jesus Features" that they would then go on to forget about (sure, CCPs gonna get around to finishing COSMOS one of these days, i just know it). What we as a community told them is "fix the game, screw the big stuff" and that's what they've been doing. The game is soooo much better than it was in 2009 because of it. CCP should keep doing that. Oh how easily people forget the past. Well if thats your opinion then fine. But 3 expansions in a row of it and nothing decent otherwise is not good. and im sorry but when you played for many years, just tweaks doesnt really make the game feel any different or better. But... I dont want it to be different. What would you change and add in the expansion if you were Mr Seeseepee?
Improve FW Overhaul 0.0 - people have been crying out for this for ages Bring in new content add more nullsec npc space
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Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
2844
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:28:00 -
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eve needs balances and overhauls/reworks of current features far more than it needs a new race, land or power set, but it seems people don't think an expansion is 'big enough' without pandas in it? |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5750
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:29:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:Please dont jsut make this yet another tweak and balance expansation, this will be a third in a row! I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt I am willing to accept a one time transferring of now unneeded valuables that you may wish to be rid of. CCp damn near died trying to give people "Jesus Features" that they would then go on to forget about (sure, CCPs gonna get around to finishing COSMOS one of these days, i just know it). What we as a community told them is "fix the game, screw the big stuff" and that's what they've been doing. The game is soooo much better than it was in 2009 because of it. CCP should keep doing that. Oh how easily people forget the past. Well if thats your opinion then fine. But 3 expansions in a row of it and nothing decent otherwise is not good. and im sorry but when you played for many years, just tweaks doesnt really make the game feel any different or better.
I've been playing since June 2007 (Revelations II) and the last 3 expansions have added more enjoyment to the game than I ever had before.. Hell, having cheap t1 cruisers for pvp and t1 battleships for pve that don't suck magical ass is by itself worth the price of admission.
I was around when CCP added big features (faction warfare, Wormholes/T3, Incursions, Marauders, Black Ops) and I remember how unfinished it all was, on top of the laundry list of things that needed fixing that didn't get fixed because CCP was to busy doing 'big things'.
EVE is much better now. If you're bored of it that's a personal issue, not something that CCP needs to fix.
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Sarmatiko
1599
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:31:00 -
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Don't worry, CCP saved some interesting new stuff for summer (probably related to world news somehow ) -¥ |
Teyr Schmitt
An Errant Venture
1
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:33:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:Please dont jsut make this yet another tweak and balance expansation, this will be a third in a row! I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt I am willing to accept a one time transferring of now unneeded valuables that you may wish to be rid of. CCp damn near died trying to give people "Jesus Features" that they would then go on to forget about (sure, CCPs gonna get around to finishing COSMOS one of these days, i just know it). What we as a community told them is "fix the game, screw the big stuff" and that's what they've been doing. The game is soooo much better than it was in 2009 because of it. CCP should keep doing that. Oh how easily people forget the past. Well if thats your opinion then fine. But 3 expansions in a row of it and nothing decent otherwise is not good. and im sorry but when you played for many years, just tweaks doesnt really make the game feel any different or better. I've been playing since June 2007 (Revelations II) and the last 3 expansions have added more enjoyment to the game than I ever had before.. Hell, having cheap t1 cruisers for pvp and t1 battleships for pve that don't suck magical ass is by itself worth the price of admission. I was around when CCP added big features (faction warfare, Wormholes/T3, Incursions, Marauders, Black Ops) and I remember how unfinished it all was, on top of the laundry list of things that needed fixing that didn't get fixed because CCP was to busy doing 'big things'. EVE is much better now. If you're bored of it that's a personal issue, not something that CCP needs to fix.
To be fair, though, Wormholes were a damn good feature on launch. Arguably the most polished/have held up the best since their introduction feature in the game that I can remember in recent history.
Well, except for Incarna, obviously.
Nobody can deny that that was EVE's most successful expansion ever. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:34:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:Please dont jsut make this yet another tweak and balance expansation, this will be a third in a row! I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt I am willing to accept a one time transferring of now unneeded valuables that you may wish to be rid of. CCp damn near died trying to give people "Jesus Features" that they would then go on to forget about (sure, CCPs gonna get around to finishing COSMOS one of these days, i just know it). What we as a community told them is "fix the game, screw the big stuff" and that's what they've been doing. The game is soooo much better than it was in 2009 because of it. CCP should keep doing that. Oh how easily people forget the past. Well if thats your opinion then fine. But 3 expansions in a row of it and nothing decent otherwise is not good. and im sorry but when you played for many years, just tweaks doesnt really make the game feel any different or better.
The ship rebalances have provided more content than most of the other "big expansions" put together. We collectively flipped our **** to get these fixes and are very thankful for them. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Tyrendian Biohazard
Ubiquitous Hurt Exodus.
270
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:34:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Improve FW Overhaul 0.0 - people have been crying out for this for ages Bring in new content add more nullsec npc space
Calling CCP PullFeaturesOutOfMyButt
Most of these have been in discussion with the CSM per the minutes. Take a break, come back in 12-18 months and maybe you'll be happy. Otherwise it sounds like you are going to be quite depressed for the foreseeable future. My twitch stream to help new players: http://www.twitch.tv/biohazrd51
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Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
2844
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:35:00 -
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Teyr Schmitt wrote:Well, except for Incarna, obviously.
Nobody can deny that that was EVE's most successful expansion ever. i can honestly say that incarna holds as much interesting gameplay, mechanical depth and longterm interest as when it was first released |
Jallukola
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:35:00 -
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I prefer giving CCP well enough time, even further too if needed, to overhaul the legacy code or whatever it was called, to carry the game over to multicore operation. Mere support for it is coming to the end of its lifespan, and I have a mysterious feeling of dark forces that is not such a good thing. |
Teyr Schmitt
An Errant Venture
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:36:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Teyr Schmitt wrote:Well, except for Incarna, obviously.
Nobody can deny that that was EVE's most successful expansion ever. i can honestly say that incarna holds as much interesting gameplay, mechanical depth and longterm interest as when it was first released
Agreed. The ability to watch MLP on a big screen in-game while EVEing is awesome. |
Mr R4nd0m
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:40:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:Please dont jsut make this yet another tweak and balance expansation, this will be a third in a row! I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt I am willing to accept a one time transferring of now unneeded valuables that you may wish to be rid of. CCp damn near died trying to give people "Jesus Features" that they would then go on to forget about (sure, CCPs gonna get around to finishing COSMOS one of these days, i just know it). What we as a community told them is "fix the game, screw the big stuff" and that's what they've been doing. The game is soooo much better than it was in 2009 because of it. CCP should keep doing that. Oh how easily people forget the past. Well if thats your opinion then fine. But 3 expansions in a row of it and nothing decent otherwise is not good. and im sorry but when you played for many years, just tweaks doesnt really make the game feel any different or better. The ship rebalances have provided more content than most of the other "big expansions" put together. We collectively flipped our **** to get these fixes and are very thankful for them.
Im not here to play goons online. Also i guess a few thousand people that have unsubbed have a different opinion also then eh? i guess your opinion is the only one that matters? That's fine if you dont agree with me. Yes some of the major feature stuff was unfinished, so we should just stop doing them? Perhaps CCP should just do them properly perhaps?
Yes the balances have help like t1 ships but its also spoilt the game as now things like FW is just frig warfare mainly. Lots of the ships in the middle are not used in gangs like we used to. So its actually had a detrimental effect. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:50:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote: Im not here to play goons online. Also i guess a few thousand people that have unsubbed have a different opinion also then eh? i guess your opinion is the only one that matters? That's fine if you dont agree with me. Yes some of the major feature stuff was unfinished, so we should just stop doing them? Perhaps CCP should just do them properly perhaps?
PLEASE! Don't talk logic on EvE GD forum!
It's KNOWN that developers can EXCLUSIVELY produce EITHER tiny, well made patches OR terrible, unfinished, unplayable expansions.
NO WAY anyone in the industry ever managed to create an expansion that is actually good and finished
Don't dare to go against the groupthink, else you'll get angry bees on your ass!
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11041
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:50:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote: Im not here to play goons online. Also i guess a few thousand people that have unsubbed have a different opinion also then eh? i guess your opinion is the only one that matters? That's fine if you dont agree with me. Yes some of the major feature stuff was unfinished, so we should just stop doing them? Perhaps CCP should just do them properly perhaps?
Yes the balances have help like t1 ships but its also spoilt the game as now things like FW is just frig warfare mainly. Lots of the ships in the middle are not used in gangs like we used to. So its actually had a detrimental effect.
This game took its first and only hit to numbers when they gave us big new unfinished features. It wasn't goons that rioted, it was everyone. EVE is now growing in subs again after CCP changed their path and focused on fixing stuff.
I now see ships being used that never saw the light of day before. We used to use the same handful of ships all the time until they were either nerfed or something else was buffed to the point of being overpowered. Now I can pick damn near any ship and have success with it.
Not even the sub numbers agree with you. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:53:00 -
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You get what you pay for. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:54:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:Please dont just make this yet another tweak and balance expansion, this will be a third in a row! I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt
CCP is on a Five year plan to "Re-balance", So I wouldn't hope for a real expansion for another two years....
CCP: "We know what's best for the game, so you can't have any options....." |
Mr R4nd0m
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:55:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote: Im not here to play goons online. Also i guess a few thousand people that have unsubbed have a different opinion also then eh? i guess your opinion is the only one that matters? That's fine if you dont agree with me. Yes some of the major feature stuff was unfinished, so we should just stop doing them? Perhaps CCP should just do them properly perhaps?
Yes the balances have help like t1 ships but its also spoilt the game as now things like FW is just frig warfare mainly. Lots of the ships in the middle are not used in gangs like we used to. So its actually had a detrimental effect.
This game took its first and only hit to numbers when they gave us big new unfinished features. It wasn't goons that rioted, it was everyone. EVE is now growing in subs again after CCP changed their path and focused on fixing stuff. I now see ships being used that never saw the light of day before. We used to use the same handful of ships all the time until they were either nerfed or something else was buffed to the point of being overpowered. Now I can pick damn near any ship and have success with it. Not even the sub numbers agree with you.
Please stop with that eve growing in numbers BS. Its not and hasnt been for years. Basically its just vets get more accounts to do other stuff, like a super pilot or they are so frigging bored in nullsec they get a fw alt, not new players subbing and staying.
So tell me what happened to all the t2 gangs now? there arent any. its all T1 frigs and cruisers. BS gangs dont exist anymore either. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:01:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:
So tell me what happened to all the t2 gangs now? there arent any. its all T1 frigs and cruisers. BS gangs dont exist anymore either.
Confirming that Assault Frigs, Marauders, Interdictors, Stealth Bombers, Interceptors and HACs have gone out of use and their price has nose-dived.....
OH WAIT *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20531
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:03:00 -
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Teyr Schmitt wrote:To be fair, though, Wormholes were a damn good feature on launch. Arguably the most polished/have held up the best since their introduction feature in the game that I can remember in recent history. Outwards, maybe, but internally, Apocrypha apparently created huge technological dept for CCP and it took them years to catch up on the backlog of issues it had generated.
As for new big content additions, I really have to ask if the people who want them have already tried everything the game has to offer? For all intents and purposes, trying something new is just the same as having it added to the game. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
669
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:06:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:Please dont just make this yet another tweak and balance expansion, this will be a third in a row! I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt
Arent tweaks and suck in patches, not expansions? By definition, expansions should expand the game no?
Beekeeper Bob wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:Please dont just make this yet another tweak and balance expansion, this will be a third in a row! I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt CCP is on a Five year plan to "Re-balance", So I wouldn't hope for a real expansion for another two years....
To make up for the time spent on WiS? PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://i.imgur.com/N949bKU.jpg proving that Im a sociopathic ganker and all around scum of the game http://i.imgur.com/RX8oBRN.jpg |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
669
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:10:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:baltec1 wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote: Im not here to play goons online. Also i guess a few thousand people that have unsubbed have a different opinion also then eh? i guess your opinion is the only one that matters? That's fine if you dont agree with me. Yes some of the major feature stuff was unfinished, so we should just stop doing them? Perhaps CCP should just do them properly perhaps?
Yes the balances have help like t1 ships but its also spoilt the game as now things like FW is just frig warfare mainly. Lots of the ships in the middle are not used in gangs like we used to. So its actually had a detrimental effect.
This game took its first and only hit to numbers when they gave us big new unfinished features. It wasn't goons that rioted, it was everyone. EVE is now growing in subs again after CCP changed their path and focused on fixing stuff. I now see ships being used that never saw the light of day before. We used to use the same handful of ships all the time until they were either nerfed or something else was buffed to the point of being overpowered. Now I can pick damn near any ship and have success with it. Not even the sub numbers agree with you. Please stop with that eve growing in numbers BS. Its not and hasnt been for years. Basically its just vets get more accounts to do other stuff, like a super pilot or they are so frigging bored in nullsec they get a fw alt, not new players subbing and staying. So tell me what happened to all the t2 gangs now? there arent any. its all T1 frigs and cruisers. BS gangs dont exist anymore either.
Yeah, youre right, 300k subs to 500k subs isnt growth, EVE IS DYING after all. PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://i.imgur.com/N949bKU.jpg proving that Im a sociopathic ganker and all around scum of the game http://i.imgur.com/RX8oBRN.jpg |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11041
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:13:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Please stop with that eve growing in numbers BS. Its not and hasnt been for years. Basically its just vets get more accounts to do other stuff, like a super pilot or they are so frigging bored in nullsec they get a fw alt, not new players subbing and staying.
So tell me what happened to all the t2 gangs now? there arent any. its all T1 frigs and cruisers. BS gangs dont exist anymore either.
Just had a holiday in FW with the rest of BATs and we saw plenty of t2 frigates as well as a lot of faction. Plenty of cruisers kicking about too with several big powers using them as a primary fleet doctrine. As for battleships, look at my sig.
Also no, sub numbers are rising and by a lot in the last few years. Do you honsetly think us vets have bought 150,000-200,000 alts in the last few years? Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
274
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:15:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:Please dont jsut make this yet another tweak and balance expansation, this will be a third in a row! I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt I am willing to accept a one time transferring of now unneeded valuables that you may wish to be rid of. CCp damn near died trying to give people "Jesus Features" that they would then go on to forget about (sure, CCPs gonna get around to finishing COSMOS one of these days, i just know it). What we as a community told them is "fix the game, screw the big stuff" and that's what they've been doing. The game is soooo much better than it was in 2009 because of it. CCP should keep doing that. Oh how easily people forget the past. Well if thats your opinion then fine. But 3 expansions in a row of it and nothing decent otherwise is not good. and im sorry but when you played for many years, just tweaks doesnt really make the game feel any different or better. When you say there was no added content to the game, what you really mean is there was no added content that applies to YOU, as someone who does basically nothing in the game.
If you actually play the game, then there have been many game-changing features and balances added over the last three expansions which have made the game far more interesting in many ways. Psychotic Monk and DJ FunkyBacon for CSM! |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds Affirmative.
3975
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:16:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:baltec1 wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:Please dont jsut make this yet another tweak and balance expansation, this will be a third in a row! I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt I am willing to accept a one time transferring of now unneeded valuables that you may wish to be rid of. CCp damn near died trying to give people "Jesus Features" that they would then go on to forget about (sure, CCPs gonna get around to finishing COSMOS one of these days, i just know it). What we as a community told them is "fix the game, screw the big stuff" and that's what they've been doing. The game is soooo much better than it was in 2009 because of it. CCP should keep doing that. Oh how easily people forget the past. Well if thats your opinion then fine. But 3 expansions in a row of it and nothing decent otherwise is not good. and im sorry but when you played for many years, just tweaks doesnt really make the game feel any different or better. The ship rebalances have provided more content than most of the other "big expansions" put together. We collectively flipped our **** to get these fixes and are very thankful for them. Im not here to play goons online. Also i guess a few thousand people that have unsubbed have a different opinion also then eh? i guess your opinion is the only one that matters? That's fine if you dont agree with me. Yes some of the major feature stuff was unfinished, so we should just stop doing them? Perhaps CCP should just do them properly perhaps? Yes the balances have help like t1 ships but its also spoilt the game as now things like FW is just frig warfare mainly. Lots of the ships in the middle are not used in gangs like we used to. So its actually had a detrimental effect. So we will have had almost 2 years of just tweaks and balances and you think that will keep and bring more people to the game? Why dont you stop thinking about what you want, and think about that the game needs?
Whut?
You are telling people to stop talking about their personal interest in the game over the benefit of the entire game.
Yet, all you do is whine that CCP needs to address your own personal needs.
The last 3 expansions might not have been true expansions, i agree to that - an expansion should have added gameplay - but they were the 3 best ones in terms of making the game better. It fixed SO many broken things.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20534
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:20:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Arent tweaks and suck in patches, not expansions? By definition, expansions should expand the game no? The main problem with these discussions is that what expands a sandbox is vastly different from what expands a themepark. A sandbox expansion adds tools to create more content; a themepark adds more ready-made content to consume; and a lot of what counts for the former looks like GÇ£just tweaksGÇ¥ to people who are more familiar with the latter.
As mentioned, the ship tweaks that were tiercide created far more GÇ£contentGÇ¥ for EVE by virtue of giving the players twice as many tools for destruction as before, than almost all of the consumable-content patches put together. Apocrypha earned its reputation by doing both: it provided not just new toys, but also new rules and new arenas to play with them, with the focus being more on the latter. But then again, it did also create a lot of problems.
I don't think we've ever been told exactly what those problems were, but I'm willing to bet that they were chiefly in the many new mechanics needed to provide the consumption-content additions. They potentially laid the groundwork for similar additions in the future (cf. incursions and mission AI), but it's a hell of a lot more costly and a harder fit than the tool additions and tweaks that the players then grow into something new and interesting. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds Affirmative.
3975
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:21:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:baltec1 wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote: Im not here to play goons online. Also i guess a few thousand people that have unsubbed have a different opinion also then eh? i guess your opinion is the only one that matters? That's fine if you dont agree with me. Yes some of the major feature stuff was unfinished, so we should just stop doing them? Perhaps CCP should just do them properly perhaps?
Yes the balances have help like t1 ships but its also spoilt the game as now things like FW is just frig warfare mainly. Lots of the ships in the middle are not used in gangs like we used to. So its actually had a detrimental effect.
This game took its first and only hit to numbers when they gave us big new unfinished features. It wasn't goons that rioted, it was everyone. EVE is now growing in subs again after CCP changed their path and focused on fixing stuff. I now see ships being used that never saw the light of day before. We used to use the same handful of ships all the time until they were either nerfed or something else was buffed to the point of being overpowered. Now I can pick damn near any ship and have success with it. Not even the sub numbers agree with you. Please stop with that eve growing in numbers BS. Its not and hasnt been for years. Basically its just vets get more accounts to do other stuff, like a super pilot or they are so frigging bored in nullsec they get a fw alt, not new players subbing and staying. So tell me what happened to all the t2 gangs now? there arent any. its all T1 frigs and cruisers. BS gangs dont exist anymore either.
As a regular new player helper... There are actually more and more new players coming into EVE then pre Incursion expansion.
And about no T2 ships used, you clearly never leave your highsec system. 80% of the roams you see in null are interceptors and last time I checked my Crow's picture it had a nice yellow II triangle on it. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
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Yarda Black
Epidemic. Nulli Secunda
111
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:26:00 -
[33] - Quote
never mind.
Made a massive and very impressive post. Lost all of it trying to post it. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
669
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:29:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Arent tweaks and suck in patches, not expansions? By definition, expansions should expand the game no? The main problem with these discussions is that what expands a sandbox is vastly different from what expands a themepark. A sandbox expansion adds tools to create more content; a themepark adds more ready-made content to consume; and a lot of what counts for the former looks like GÇ£just tweaksGÇ¥ to people who are more familiar with the latter. As mentioned, the ship tweaks that were tiercide created far more GÇ£contentGÇ¥ for EVE by virtue of giving the players twice as many tools for destruction as before, than almost all of the consumable-content patches put together. Apocrypha earned its reputation by doing both: it provided not just new toys, but also new rules and new arenas to play with them, with the focus being more on the latter. But then again, it did also create a lot of problems. I don't think we've ever been told exactly what those problems were, but I'm willing to bet that they were chiefly in the many new mechanics needed to provide the consumption-content additions. They potentially laid the groundwork for similar additions in the future (cf. incursions and mission AI), but it's a hell of a lot more costly and a harder fit than the tool additions and tweaks that the players then grow into something new and interesting.
meant to say "such" by the way
just a clarification
Also; youre arguing what would be knows as "patch content" in other games IS what is "expansion content" in this game?
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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
1156
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:34:00 -
[35] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Please stop with that eve growing in numbers BS. Its not and hasnt been for years. Basically its just vets get more accounts to do other stuff, like a super pilot or they are so frigging bored in nullsec they get a fw alt, not new players subbing and staying.
So tell me what happened to all the t2 gangs now? there arent any. its all T1 frigs and cruisers. BS gangs dont exist anymore either.
Just had a holiday in FW with the rest of BATs and we saw plenty of t2 frigates as well as a lot of faction. Plenty of cruisers kicking about too with several big powers using them as a primary fleet doctrine. As for battleships, look at my sig. Also no, sub numbers are rising and by a lot in the last few years. Do you honsetly think us vets have bought 150,000-200,000 alts in the last few years?
Really? Sub numbers continue to rise? While daily average is dropping to it's lowest level since September? That says either people are dropping out at a high rate, or a huge number of alts are logged off due to lack of a major war....
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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
507
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:36:00 -
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Teyr Schmitt wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:Please dont just make this yet another tweak and balance expansion, this will be a third in a row! I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt It's a tweak and balance expansion, but the changes are HUGE! Oh, wait, you're not an Industrialist? You're screwed. :P You realize that it's because all CCP ever did was the big content expansions that were never revisited that their playerbase forced them to do all these tweak and balance expansions, right?
But we want stuff and things no matter how unbalanced and upside down it makes the game right? |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
509
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:38:00 -
[37] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Tippia wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Arent tweaks and suck in patches, not expansions? By definition, expansions should expand the game no? The main problem with these discussions is that what expands a sandbox is vastly different from what expands a themepark. A sandbox expansion adds tools to create more content; a themepark adds more ready-made content to consume; and a lot of what counts for the former looks like GÇ£just tweaksGÇ¥ to people who are more familiar with the latter. As mentioned, the ship tweaks that were tiercide created far more GÇ£contentGÇ¥ for EVE by virtue of giving the players twice as many tools for destruction as before, than almost all of the consumable-content patches put together. Apocrypha earned its reputation by doing both: it provided not just new toys, but also new rules and new arenas to play with them, with the focus being more on the latter. But then again, it did also create a lot of problems. I don't think we've ever been told exactly what those problems were, but I'm willing to bet that they were chiefly in the many new mechanics needed to provide the consumption-content additions. They potentially laid the groundwork for similar additions in the future (cf. incursions and mission AI), but it's a hell of a lot more costly and a harder fit than the tool additions and tweaks that the players then grow into something new and interesting. meant to say "such" by the way just a clarification Also; youre arguing what would be knows as "patch content" in other games IS what is "expansion content" in this game? Yes, Im being simplistic, no Im not arguing against what you said, Im just trying to TLDR it XD
Player Vs Player is what makes the majority of the content in the game. But I'm sure the OP knew this already. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1867
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:39:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Please stop with that eve growing in numbers BS. Its not and hasnt been for years. Basically its just vets get more accounts to do other stuff, like a super pilot or they are so frigging bored in nullsec they get a fw alt, not new players subbing and staying.
So tell me what happened to all the t2 gangs now? there arent any. its all T1 frigs and cruisers. BS gangs dont exist anymore either.
Truth hurts doesn't it buddy? I'm sure someone will be a long to post the graph of the sub numbers and rub it in your face. The only things you got right was death2allsupercaps and nerf highsec.
E: You are yet another in the encyclopedia of examples why npc alts shouldn't be allowed to post.
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds Affirmative.
3976
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:39:00 -
[39] - Quote
Beekeeper Bob wrote:baltec1 wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Please stop with that eve growing in numbers BS. Its not and hasnt been for years. Basically its just vets get more accounts to do other stuff, like a super pilot or they are so frigging bored in nullsec they get a fw alt, not new players subbing and staying.
So tell me what happened to all the t2 gangs now? there arent any. its all T1 frigs and cruisers. BS gangs dont exist anymore either.
Just had a holiday in FW with the rest of BATs and we saw plenty of t2 frigates as well as a lot of faction. Plenty of cruisers kicking about too with several big powers using them as a primary fleet doctrine. As for battleships, look at my sig. Also no, sub numbers are rising and by a lot in the last few years. Do you honsetly think us vets have bought 150,000-200,000 alts in the last few years? Really? Sub numbers continue to rise? While daily average is dropping to it's lowest level since September? That says either people are dropping out at a high rate, or a huge number of alts are logged off due to lack of a major war....
Please, point out on the chart where you see significant drops in the last year?
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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
509
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:40:00 -
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Yarda Black wrote:never mind.
Made a massive and very impressive post. Lost all of it trying to post it.
Select and copy is your friend. |
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Doppleganger
Federated Holdings Libera Alliance
4
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:48:00 -
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Teyr Schmitt wrote:
I disagree.
We need the fifth playable race that CCP announced last April.
New Eden will FINALLY have Aliens!
It be nice if CCP went back and delivered what was orginally promised when the released the game in 2003....... in early beta news they said there would be 5 playable races and Jovian was listed as one.
One of the reasons I started with this game was one day to be able to play as a jovian. After playing for over 11 yrs (including Beta) it would be nice if they finally made them a playable race. I think they could make the entrance to being a jovian something really high like you need to have a certain amount of SP to be able to even be one but the catch could be you need to give up all your sp and start from scratch just to become one.
I would give up my 200+ mil sp for the chance to become Jovian and have access to their tech.
p.s. yes anyone that looks back at my posts over the last 11 yrs will see I have harped about this for many many many yrs
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Grape Juice
Missing Clones Syndicate The.Spanish.Inquisition
0
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:50:00 -
[42] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:This game took its first and only hit to numbers when they gave us big new unfinished features. It wasn't goons that rioted, it was everyone. EVE is now growing in subs again after CCP changed their path and focused on fixing stuff.
I'm 99.9% certain you're referring to Red Moon Rising.
Worst. Patch day. Ever.
Server was bouncing up and down for literally a whole week. But hey, we got a whole bunch of new shiny, right? |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
302
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:56:00 -
[43] - Quote
EvE is currently on an expantion arc. This arc will lead to new space, which will bring in 'new and dynamic game play' Instead of dumping this huge game changer on us, they are guiding us in slowly. While i will agree that the last 3 expantions have been lack luster in the expanding new gameplay dept, as a vet who has been here since Castor (or maybe Second genesis, i forget) there have been HUGE improvements on how the expantions are handled. I'll give you some exsamples of past WTF's.
1) The big feature of Exodus was PoS' and Alliances, as well as Dreads. The sov system was quickly to shown to suck, pos management sucked. CCP said 'oh we will fix things np..." Then they jumped onto the next expantion (either RMR or Cold War, i always mix them up) and ignored issues.
2) Titans came in i think RMR (or Cold War) They said 'oh we know xxx is over powered, don't worry we will fix it) it took them 2 years to make titans not move after DD'ing and then another 2 or so years to change the DD.
3) FW, this came out in Empeyan age... i think... yea that sounds right. It was buggy, and sucked. Hardly anyone played. It took CCP 3 years to even address ANY issues on it.
4) PI we were promised PI would be one way, and that it would tie into this new game ccp is developing in china called Dust (Dust was announced way before 2010 for thouse who don't know) But PI will let you do nice things, this is just the first set of interaction, trust us we will improve it. 5 years or so later... its still a click fest annoying hunk of crap. (i hate PI, i hate all the stupid clicking...)
5) Sov.... oh dear lord... We went from 1 pos gets you sov in 24 hours. To the most pos' get you sov in 7 days. To Each pos has a special weight, small = 1, med = 5 small, 1 large = 7 med (or some ****) To.. oh btw if you own 51% of the systems in a constalation with 3 outpost you can make a system invulernable to all attack! Don't worry we will add more tools to constalation sov, just you wait.. To.. yea scratch that constalation sov crap, here is Domion! with new upgrades! We will add more upgrades later just you see!!!!
6) Incursions... yea they promised to add more...
7) COSMOS... yea... see above.
8) WiS we were told one thing, and given a steaming pile of dog crap for another.
Patches used to be like this....
DT for expantion will be 4 hours... no wait 8.. no wait 12... crap sorry 24... ok up.. no down... no up... patch... down.. up... hotfix... down... up... unstable... reboot... hotfix...hotfix....hotfix... unstable...down...up..patch... stable... patch patch patch fix.
Compaired to:
DT 1 hour... opps 30 min... up... hotfix....reboot...up...stable...up.
I like the new ccp, finish your broken crap, give us new stuff that works from the get go. Big jesus feature will come, once you see what all the little stuff ties to, you will go 'oh snap!' is my guess |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
302
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:00:00 -
[44] - Quote
Grape Juice wrote:baltec1 wrote:This game took its first and only hit to numbers when they gave us big new unfinished features. It wasn't goons that rioted, it was everyone. EVE is now growing in subs again after CCP changed their path and focused on fixing stuff. I'm 99.9% certain you're referring to Red Moon Rising. Worst. Patch day. Ever. Server was bouncing up and down for literally a whole week. But hey, we got a whole bunch of new shiny, right?
I disagree, Exodus was the worse(unless i mixed it up with coldwar.. or rmr i really need to memorize what was kali...), the server was down for 24 freaking hours, it was so bad ccp gave everyone two free days of game time. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
302
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:02:00 -
[45] - Quote
Doppleganger wrote:Teyr Schmitt wrote:
I disagree.
We need the fifth playable race that CCP announced last April.
New Eden will FINALLY have Aliens!
It be nice if CCP went back and delivered what was orginally promised when the released the game in 2003....... in early beta news they said there would be 5 playable races and Jovian was listed as one. One of the reasons I started with this game was one day to be able to play as a jovian. After playing for over 11 yrs (including Beta) it would be nice if they finally made them a playable race. I think they could make the entrance to being a jovian something really high like you need to have a certain amount of SP to be able to even be one but the catch could be you need to give up all your sp and start from scratch just to become one. I would give up my 200+ mil sp for the chance to become Jovian and have access to their tech. p.s. yes anyone that looks back at my posts over the last 11 yrs will see I have harped about this for many many many yrs
Yea, back when the jovenan ambassador came to new eden and promptly exploded due to a jump drive malfunction, i swore that was gonna be the start of us being able to interact with jove, but aside form the body parts... the jove went into hiding. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4301
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:03:00 -
[46] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:Please dont just make this yet another tweak and balance expansion, this will be a third in a row! I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt
I'm sure you have all of CCP on pins and needles in anticipation of whether or not they can meet your vague demands and requirements.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20536
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:23:00 -
[47] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Also; youre arguing what would be knows as "patch content" in other games IS what is "expansion content" in this game?
Yes, Im being simplistic, no Im not arguing against what you said, Im just trying to TLDR it XD In a sense, yes. More specifically, I'm saying that a lot of the GÇ£where's the GÇÿexpansionGÇÖ?GÇ¥ complaints against the EVE expansions seem to come from a position that only themepark-style consumable content counts, or at least that it is the expected form for expansion content. People are familiar with that style of expansion from games centred on content consumption.
So when they come to EVE, massive content additions like tiercide gets brushed off as mere tweaks and minute content additions like Incarna get hailed as proper expansions. They don't spot the revolution in gameplay that a few critical tweaks can generate, but then again, neither do the devs or the players GÇö it's something that evolves over time so it's perhaps more accurate to see it as an inexperience on the theme-parker's side with the scope of changes that can come out of mere tweaks. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
949
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:26:00 -
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I'd be content with industry batch jobs and an interface that remembers at least a few of my last selections. But that's probably more a reflection of how bad the current industry interface is rather than how good such an expansion would be.
Or maybe I'm just shallow and have small dreams. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Grape Juice
Missing Clones Syndicate The.Spanish.Inquisition
1
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:27:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:I disagree, Exodus was the worse(unless i mixed it up with coldwar.. or rmr i really need to memorize what was kali...), the server was down for 24 freaking hours, it was so bad ccp gave everyone two free days of game time.
I mean, when RMR came out the servers were technically up. Didn't know a single person that was actually able to log in and play.
In any case, CCP has gotten a LOT better at Patch Day. I don't feel like I'm opening an Xmas present from Robot Santa anymore. |
Desivo Delta Visseroff
Cataclysmic Paradox
201
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:39:00 -
[50] - Quote
As a very casual player that is feeling might contrarily, I for one hope that it is. Those expansions lead to the best threadnaughts.
Be honest, most everyone here love the Threadnaughts more than logging in. Not me of course. I like everything the others don't like and don't like everything I do like |
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Mr R4nd0m
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
169
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:42:00 -
[51] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Also; youre arguing what would be knows as "patch content" in other games IS what is "expansion content" in this game?
Yes, Im being simplistic, no Im not arguing against what you said, Im just trying to TLDR it XD In a sense, yes. More specifically, I'm saying that a lot of the GÇ£where's the GÇÿexpansionGÇÖ?GÇ¥ complaints against the EVE expansions seem to come from a position that only themepark-style consumable content counts, or at least that it is the expected form for expansion content. People are familiar with that style of expansion from games centred on content consumption. So when they come to EVE, massive content additions like tiercide gets brushed off as mere tweaks and minute content additions like Incarna get hailed as proper expansions. They don't spot the revolution in gameplay that a few critical tweaks can generate, but then again, neither do the devs or the players GÇö it's something that evolves over time so it's perhaps more accurate to see it as an inexperience on the theme-parker's side with the scope of changes that can come out of mere tweaks.
Now this is your opinion, and I have mine. My gamplay and expectations is not the same of yours. So please don't assume that what you want is not what everyone else wants.
Yes the tweaks are good, however you tweak one thing you hurt another. So in some cases the tweaks helped but in other they killed off things. So lets take a look at what these 'tweaks killed'
Incursions - not like they used to be at all, people hardly do them, just because people complained about the ISK. So what. It generated lots of content and lots of people got involved.
Stuff they rebalanced actually killed off a lot of ships. How much do you see BS gangs now? How much do you see command ships on the field after the CS change? How many T2 small/med gangs do you see? How many electronic warfare ships do you see in fleets? (kitsunes etc). You dont. So where they made T1 buffs they killed others. FW is just frig warfare now and some cruisers but that's it.
Solo pvp is pretty much dead now. Unless your willing to multibox 5 characters and hunt around forever. Or as above you have to just fight in frigs!
0.0 no longer have the 30-50 man roaming gangs anymore, its just completely blob warfare, and supers and caps now.
Please dont think that all the tweaks have actually made a huge difference they havent. People also want to see new stuff, new content, new features its been 2 years now and nothing major has been released. Sorry for me as a vet I need to see and have new content to play with, because everything else I have done. I want to do or try something different.
If you are happy with the tweaks then fine, happy for you. But I am also entitled to want something else also.
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Mr R4nd0m
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
169
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:44:00 -
[52] - Quote
La Nariz wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Please stop with that eve growing in numbers BS. Its not and hasnt been for years. Basically its just vets get more accounts to do other stuff, like a super pilot or they are so frigging bored in nullsec they get a fw alt, not new players subbing and staying.
So tell me what happened to all the t2 gangs now? there arent any. its all T1 frigs and cruisers. BS gangs dont exist anymore either.
Truth hurts doesn't it buddy? I'm sure someone will be a long to post the graph of the sub numbers and rub it in your face. The only things you got right was death2allsupercaps and nerf highsec. E: You are yet another in the encyclopedia of examples why npc alts shouldn't be allowed to post. E2: V
I am happy to be corrected. Please show me the stats, the graph looks pretty much the same if not less than 5 years ago. Please check my history numb nuts instead of trying that npc alt crap. Its boring. |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
278
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:46:00 -
[53] - Quote
Yarda Black wrote:never mind.
Made a massive and very impressive post. Lost all of it trying to post it. I feel you. I frequently spend an hour or longer on my posts on the forums, and I have made it a habit to always copy my entire post to notepad before pressing the "Post" button just in case CCP decided to end my session without saving the draft. Psychotic Monk and DJ FunkyBacon for CSM! |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5331
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Posted - 2014.04.07 21:16:00 -
[54] - Quote
Caviar Liberta wrote:Yarda Black wrote:never mind.
Made a massive and very impressive post. Lost all of it trying to post it. Select and copy is your friend.
Or, install the free Lazarus add on (Firefox) and forget to EVER lose any form in your life again. Including EvE posts. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5331
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Posted - 2014.04.07 21:21:00 -
[55] - Quote
I am still waiting that CCP implements a Market history interface worth of its name or a T2 invention / POS interface that actually deserves such a name. They focus on tweaking ships that the rest of the game is slowly rotting around them. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1250
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Posted - 2014.04.07 21:30:00 -
[56] - Quote
Benny Ohu wrote: but it seems people don't think an expansion is 'big enough' without pandas in it?
**** the pandas **** them with TNT
If ccp can actually manage to solve the POS, SOV, nul-sec industry & drone things, they WILL have basically created new content imho. I'd much rather have fixed old stuff than broken new stuff.
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
302
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Posted - 2014.04.07 22:00:00 -
[57] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I am still waiting that CCP implements a Market history interface worth of its name or a T2 invention / POS interface that actually deserves such a name. They focus on tweaking ships that the rest of the game is slowly rotting around them.
They are overhauling mining, and refining (mostly refining) this time around, and kinda hinted that science and research could be there too. So you might actually get your wish on some of this. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4692
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Posted - 2014.04.07 22:27:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote: Im not here to play goons online. Also i guess a few thousand people that have unsubbed have a different opinion also then eh? i guess your opinion is the only one that matters? That's fine if you dont agree with me. Yes some of the major feature stuff was unfinished, so we should just stop doing them? Perhaps CCP should just do them properly perhaps?
Yes the balances have help like t1 ships but its also spoilt the game as now things like FW is just frig warfare mainly. Lots of the ships in the middle are not used in gangs like we used to. So its actually had a detrimental effect.
This game took its first and only hit to numbers when they gave us big new unfinished features. It wasn't goons that rioted, it was everyone. EVE is now growing in subs again after CCP changed their path and focused on fixing stuff. I now see ships being used that never saw the light of day before. We used to use the same handful of ships all the time until they were either nerfed or something else was buffed to the point of being overpowered. Now I can pick damn near any ship and have success with it. Not even the sub numbers agree with you.
Some people will say that tiericide was a bad thing. I'm not sure. On one side, variety was good. On the other, we had too much "ship of the month". I remember a time when it was missile drakes as far as the eye (or the grid) could see.
But then they do something like make interceptors bubble-immune or create a mining ship with +2 warp core strength right out of the box. I'm thinking that the bigger the ship, the more tiericide we will see in the direction of generalization and core bonus. But the smaller the ship, we'll see more of these "White Ravens". The bubble-immune intie for one, a shuttle that does 22 AU stock for another.
Yes things could get interesting.
We'll see what happens. T3 nerfs, they say, are also coming. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Jacabon Mere
Capital Storm. The Storm Collective
70
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:24:00 -
[59] - Quote
Kitty Bear wrote:Benny Ohu wrote: but it seems people don't think an expansion is 'big enough' without pandas in it? **** the pandas **** them with TNT If ccp can actually manage to solve the POS, SOV, nul-sec industry & drone things, they WILL have basically created new content imho. I'd much rather have fixed old stuff than broken new stuff.
Yet after 5 years CCP still have no clue how to go about fixing either. Capital Storm is recruiting Aussies for Lowsec pvp and money making. Join "Capital Storm Pub" channel ingame. www.capitalstorm.net |
Tesco Ergo Sum
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:26:00 -
[60] - Quote
CCP might give us a bonus... room... |
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PrettyMuch Always Right
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:35:00 -
[61] - Quote
OP, imagine you have 2 scoops of Mint Chocolate Chip Ice Cream but there's hairs and dirt in it. Would you prefer the store gives you an extra scoop of Cookies n' Cream, or removes the hairs and dirt? |
Nariya Kentaya
Phoenix funds
1178
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Posted - 2014.04.08 00:09:00 -
[62] - Quote
PrettyMuch Always Right wrote:OP, imagine you have 2 scoops of Mint Chocolate Chip Ice Cream but there's hairs and dirt in it. Would you prefer the store gives you an extra scoop of Cookies n' Cream, or removes the hairs and dirt? I'd rather they replace the ice cream for a new one, tossing the old one away. That way I can obtain a fresher, more easily edible form of POS management, I mean Ice Cream. After all, no matter how many hairs and dirt are cleaned out, it was still **** coding, i mean dirty ice cream, to begin with. |
Tarpedo
Incursionista
1308
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Posted - 2014.04.08 00:25:00 -
[63] - Quote
Perhaps if we stop calling these patches "an expansion" CCP will start to create actual expansion?... |
Winchester Steele
892
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Posted - 2014.04.08 00:52:00 -
[64] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:Please dont jsut make this yet another tweak and balance expansation, this will be a third in a row! I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt I am willing to accept a one time transferring of now unneeded valuables that you may wish to be rid of. CCp damn near died trying to give people "Jesus Features" that they would then go on to forget about (sure, CCPs gonna get around to finishing COSMOS one of these days, i just know it). What we as a community told them is "fix the game, screw the big stuff" and that's what they've been doing. The game is soooo much better than it was in 2009 because of it. CCP should keep doing that. Oh how easily people forget the past. Well if thats your opinion then fine. But 3 expansions in a row of it and nothing decent otherwise is not good. and im sorry but when you played for many years, just tweaks doesnt really make the game feel any different or better.
Tiericide was one of the biggest changes ever made to Eve. The complete revitalization of the frig/cruiser line up added incredible gameplay value and is worth at least 10 "Jesus Features" (lol incarna).
Eve is a sandbox. CCP is busy refining the tools we use to play in the sandbox. This is a good thing.
If that doesn't sit well with you, well I've heard that Star Citizen is nothing but "jesus features". . .
... |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1869
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Posted - 2014.04.08 01:15:00 -
[65] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:La Nariz wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Please stop with that eve growing in numbers BS. Its not and hasnt been for years. Basically its just vets get more accounts to do other stuff, like a super pilot or they are so frigging bored in nullsec they get a fw alt, not new players subbing and staying.
So tell me what happened to all the t2 gangs now? there arent any. its all T1 frigs and cruisers. BS gangs dont exist anymore either.
Truth hurts doesn't it buddy? I'm sure someone will be a long to post the graph of the sub numbers and rub it in your face. The only things you got right was death2allsupercaps and nerf highsec. E: You are yet another in the encyclopedia of examples why npc alts shouldn't be allowed to post. E2: V I am happy to be corrected. Please show me the stats, the graph looks pretty much the same if not less than 5 years ago. Please check my history numb nuts instead of trying that npc alt crap. Its boring.
One of them is literally in the post right below mine hence E2. You are an npc alt which means you are completely worthless and should not be allowed to post, I do not care what explanation you have for this. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Felicity Love
Whore and Peace
1662
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Posted - 2014.04.08 02:25:00 -
[66] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:Please dont just make this yet another tweak and balance expansion, this will be a third in a row! I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt
... T2 Titans... you wanted big.
Or maybe new freighter cans with windows on them so you can ZOOOOOOOOOOM in and see what's floating inside...
... and I was just saying the other day, "Damn, I miss Soundwave"....
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11051
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Posted - 2014.04.08 04:15:00 -
[67] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:Tippia wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Also; youre arguing what would be knows as "patch content" in other games IS what is "expansion content" in this game?
Yes, Im being simplistic, no Im not arguing against what you said, Im just trying to TLDR it XD In a sense, yes. More specifically, I'm saying that a lot of the GÇ£where's the GÇÿexpansionGÇÖ?GÇ¥ complaints against the EVE expansions seem to come from a position that only themepark-style consumable content counts, or at least that it is the expected form for expansion content. People are familiar with that style of expansion from games centred on content consumption. So when they come to EVE, massive content additions like tiercide gets brushed off as mere tweaks and minute content additions like Incarna get hailed as proper expansions. They don't spot the revolution in gameplay that a few critical tweaks can generate, but then again, neither do the devs or the players GÇö it's something that evolves over time so it's perhaps more accurate to see it as an inexperience on the theme-parker's side with the scope of changes that can come out of mere tweaks. Now this is your opinion, and I have mine. My gamplay and expectations is not the same of yours. So please don't assume that what you want is not what everyone else wants. Yes the tweaks are good, however you tweak one thing you hurt another. So in some cases the tweaks helped but in other they killed off things. So lets take a look at what these 'tweaks killed' Incursions - not like they used to be at all, people hardly do them, just because people complained about the ISK. So what. It generated lots of content and lots of people got involved. Stuff they rebalanced actually killed off a lot of ships. How much do you see BS gangs now? How much do you see command ships on the field after the CS change? How many T2 small/med gangs do you see? How many electronic warfare ships do you see in fleets? (kitsunes etc). You dont. So where they made T1 buffs they killed others. FW is just frig warfare now and some cruisers but that's it. Solo pvp is pretty much dead now. Unless your willing to multibox 5 characters and hunt around forever. Or as above you have to just fight in frigs! 0.0 no longer have the 30-50 man roaming gangs anymore, its just completely blob warfare, and supers and caps now. Please dont think that all the tweaks have actually made a huge difference they havent. People also want to see new stuff, new content, new features its been 2 years now and nothing major has been released. Sorry for me as a vet I need to see and have new content to play with, because everything else I have done. I want to do or try something different. Even if they dont create complete new stuff then start making the current stuff more interesting, more interactive. For example missions are boring as hell, npcs are just pictures with text, why cant we have actual voice overs and interaction? That would make a huge difference to missions. If you are happy with the tweaks then fine, happy for you. But I am also entitled to want something else also. Im sorry but 2 years of tweaks is imo pretty poor.
Incursions are just as popular, CCP showed the stats in a dinsdale ragenoght about matauders.
t2 frigs and cruisers are widely used, you can even find solo sentinels in low sec with assault frigs and cepters used everywhere and bombers get used everywhere from solo hunting to alliance strat ops.
Small roaming gangs are everywhere in null, we lose several hundred ships to them every month.
Battleships are the primary ship for frontline work in near all powerblocks. They are also good for both small gangs and solo work. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4496
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Posted - 2014.04.08 04:22:00 -
[68] - Quote
Themepark players want themepark expansions, what else is new? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Webvan
State Protectorate Caldari State
374
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Posted - 2014.04.08 04:42:00 -
[69] - Quote
tweak and balance ftw |
Regan Rotineque
Arch Angels Assault Force The Kadeshi
285
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Posted - 2014.04.08 05:00:00 -
[70] - Quote
Time to lower expectations OP
You cannot be disappointed if you think every release is going to be Incarna
Just pretend that is what is coming....when it is not as hideous as that you can rejoice. |
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Rastafarian God
62
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Posted - 2014.04.08 05:12:00 -
[71] - Quote
I dont recall doing anything added from a true expansion since wormholes came out. To this day I have not ran an incursion, or even used a hacking module.
I have mixed ships up and bought an alt a Mission Kronos when they changed the marauders and started balancing ships though. Was the first time any expansion changed the way I do anything. To the patches and small changed have effected me more then the big colorful expansions.
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
273
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Posted - 2014.04.08 05:43:00 -
[72] - Quote
I concur with most others here. The current lists of features/designs/systems/mechanics, etc., need as much polish and help as they can get. Some are fine, some need some more work, some serious overhauling. Ask any player who has been around the block once or twice and they can give you quite a comprehensive list of items. You may call these "expansion packs" merely over-sized patches and content-less bug and tweak crusades if you wish, it makes no difference in the long run...much of what they bring to Eve is, in many cases, desperately needed.
I honestly hope CCP keeps at it. There are plenty of things CCP can work on already in-game that would make any seasoned player breath a sigh of relief that "it is finally getting looked at". Imagine if hybrids still sucked. Imagine if CCP didn't commit tiericide. Imagine if the U.I. still looked like something from the 90's (it still does in many places, but it is getting better in others at least). I won't claim to agree with everything CCP has done over the last few expansions (hey, no one's perfect), but I can't really disagree with the direction they're going in either. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1229
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Posted - 2014.04.08 06:08:00 -
[73] - Quote
Tarpedo wrote:Perhaps if we stop calling these patches "an expansion" CCP will start to create actual expansion?... You mean one of those WOW expansions that adds entire new land masses and monsters, new classes & skills
Of course the cost of those land masses is that every single item you own is now useless. Every single build now needs reworking. Every single Raid Comp needs a new design. And doing any of the already existing content becomes useless.
So WOW style expansions actually normally shrink the game, not expand it because they make more & more content obsolete. EVE tries to keep all content relevant so the addition of a single item which doesn't destroy others is actually a larger expansion than anything WOW or any theme park has ever released because every existing content piece is still relevant. |
Prince Kobol
1636
|
Posted - 2014.04.08 06:24:00 -
[74] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:Tippia wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Also; youre arguing what would be knows as "patch content" in other games IS what is "expansion content" in this game?
Yes, Im being simplistic, no Im not arguing against what you said, Im just trying to TLDR it XD In a sense, yes. More specifically, I'm saying that a lot of the GÇ£where's the GÇÿexpansionGÇÖ?GÇ¥ complaints against the EVE expansions seem to come from a position that only themepark-style consumable content counts, or at least that it is the expected form for expansion content. People are familiar with that style of expansion from games centred on content consumption. So when they come to EVE, massive content additions like tiercide gets brushed off as mere tweaks and minute content additions like Incarna get hailed as proper expansions. They don't spot the revolution in gameplay that a few critical tweaks can generate, but then again, neither do the devs or the players GÇö it's something that evolves over time so it's perhaps more accurate to see it as an inexperience on the theme-parker's side with the scope of changes that can come out of mere tweaks. Now this is your opinion, and I have mine. My gamplay and expectations is not the same of yours. So please don't assume that what you want is not what everyone else wants. Yes the tweaks are good, however you tweak one thing you hurt another. So in some cases the tweaks helped but in other they killed off things. So lets take a look at what these 'tweaks killed' Incursions - not like they used to be at all, people hardly do them, just because people complained about the ISK. So what. It generated lots of content and lots of people got involved. Stuff they rebalanced actually killed off a lot of ships. How much do you see BS gangs now? How much do you see command ships on the field after the CS change? How many T2 small/med gangs do you see? How many electronic warfare ships do you see in fleets? (kitsunes etc). You dont. So where they made T1 buffs they killed others. FW is just frig warfare now and some cruisers but that's it. Solo pvp is pretty much dead now. Unless your willing to multibox 5 characters and hunt around forever. Or as above you have to just fight in frigs! 0.0 no longer have the 30-50 man roaming gangs anymore, its just completely blob warfare, and supers and caps now. Please dont think that all the tweaks have actually made a huge difference they havent. People also want to see new stuff, new content, new features its been 2 years now and nothing major has been released. Sorry for me as a vet I need to see and have new content to play with, because everything else I have done. I want to do or try something different. Even if they dont create complete new stuff then start making the current stuff more interesting, more interactive. For example missions are boring as hell, npcs are just pictures with text, why cant we have actual voice overs and interaction? That would make a huge difference to missions. If you are happy with the tweaks then fine, happy for you. But I am also entitled to want something else also. Im sorry but 2 years of tweaks is imo pretty poor. Incursions are just as popular, CCP showed the stats in a dinsdale ragenoght about matauders. t2 frigs and cruisers are widely used, you can even find solo sentinels in low sec with assault frigs and cepters used everywhere and bombers get used everywhere from solo hunting to alliance strat ops. Small roaming gangs are everywhere in null, we lose several hundred ships to them every month. Battleships are the primary ship for frontline work in near all powerblocks. They are also good for both small gangs and solo work.
Whilst this is all somewhat true, I always thought one of the major points of all the ship rebalancing was to try and remove a lot of "ship of the month" thing.
Yet that really hasn't happened.
Going off what I have seen (not going to claim numbers) the Crow followed by the Stiletto is by far the most popular interceptor, FW appears to be mainly alts flying around in multiple stabbed ships and battleships, well you only ever tend to see the Apoc, Mega and Rokh being used and drone ships like the ishtar are favoured above all other ships in their class.
Now I am not saying that the ship rebalancing has been bad, god it was needed but once it is over and done with if we are still left with the situation where only a few select ships are being used in each class then can you call it a success?
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
596
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Posted - 2014.04.08 08:21:00 -
[75] - Quote
To be honest I would be in favor of CCP skipping an expansion after this and dedicating that entire year of EVE dev time to a single thing; break open the legacy code, fix every single damn thing that wasn't able to be fixed because of it, then put the legacy code on a hard drive and throw it into Eyjafjallaj+¦kull with a helicopter. A seat on the helicopter would cost 100 PLEX and the honor of throwing the hard drive would cost 250 PLEX (includes a nice little badge on your character bio; killer of the legacy!).
EVE would be fixed for the foreseeable future and new content is created at the same time. Hurrah.
(Totally serious about this, Devs. Do it!) My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
Varg Altol
Kill-Switch Engage
7
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Posted - 2014.04.08 09:16:00 -
[76] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:Please dont jsut make this yet another tweak and balance expansation, this will be a third in a row! I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt I am willing to accept a one time transferring of now unneeded valuables that you may wish to be rid of. CCp damn near died trying to give people "Jesus Features" that they would then go on to forget about (sure, CCPs gonna get around to finishing COSMOS one of these days, i just know it). What we as a community told them is "fix the game, screw the big stuff" and that's what they've been doing. The game is soooo much better than it was in 2009 because of it. CCP should keep doing that. Oh how easily people forget the past. Well if thats your opinion then fine. But 3 expansions in a row of it and nothing decent otherwise is not good. and im sorry but when you played for many years, just tweaks doesnt really make the game feel any different or better.
I can only assume you have some sort of mental issue. The tweaks they have made have radically altered the game and the sips everyone flys. Not to mention all the news ships, modules, deployables and mechanics they added in along side them. Do you pay any attention to patch notes at all?
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Prince Kobol
1636
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Posted - 2014.04.08 09:23:00 -
[77] - Quote
Varg Altol wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:Please dont jsut make this yet another tweak and balance expansation, this will be a third in a row! I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt I am willing to accept a one time transferring of now unneeded valuables that you may wish to be rid of. CCp damn near died trying to give people "Jesus Features" that they would then go on to forget about (sure, CCPs gonna get around to finishing COSMOS one of these days, i just know it). What we as a community told them is "fix the game, screw the big stuff" and that's what they've been doing. The game is soooo much better than it was in 2009 because of it. CCP should keep doing that. Oh how easily people forget the past. Well if thats your opinion then fine. But 3 expansions in a row of it and nothing decent otherwise is not good. and im sorry but when you played for many years, just tweaks doesnt really make the game feel any different or better. I can only assume you have some sort of mental issue. The tweaks they have made have radically altered the game and the sips everyone flys. Not to mention all the news ships, modules, deployables and mechanics they added in along side them. Do you pay any attention to patch notes at all?
I wouldn't go so far to say they have radically altered anything, not even close. |
Prince Kobol
1636
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Posted - 2014.04.08 09:25:00 -
[78] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote:To be honest I would be in favor of CCP skipping an expansion after this and dedicating that entire year of EVE dev time to a single thing; break open the legacy code, fix every single damn thing that wasn't able to be fixed because of it, then put the legacy code on a hard drive and throw it into Eyjafjallaj+¦kull with a helicopter. A seat on the helicopter would cost 100 PLEX and the honor of throwing the hard drive would cost 250 PLEX (includes a nice little badge on your character bio; killer of the legacy!).
EVE would be fixed for the foreseeable future and new content is created at the same time. Hurrah.
(Totally serious about this, Devs. Do it!)
The problem with this is that many people have lost faith in CCP to deliver anything of this magnitude, their past record of delivering major expansions isn't what you call great.
Also what would the reaction of the playerbase be if after a year they are not able to deliver?
I suspect it would more of less kill Eve. |
Jeremiah Saken
State Protectorate Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2014.04.08 09:58:00 -
[79] - Quote
Quote:The problem with this is that many people have lost faith in CCP to deliver anything of this magnitude, their past record of delivering major expansions isn't what you call great.
Hard to blame players. I think there's a misunderstanding with Devs plans and players expectations.
There were some statements about space colonization last fanfest (CCP Seagull's vision). Maybe it would be good to show what that mean? Maybe its time to set priorities? Do we need pirates ships balance or do we need bring CCP Seagull vision closer? What will keep me in game?
Quote:I suspect it would more of less kill Eve.
Maybe not kill, this game is really unique, but will slow its developement. "I am a leaf on the wind - watch how I soar" "Cry baby cry make, your mother sigh" "Dear Buddha, please bring me a pony and a plastic rocket..." |
Balshem Rozenzweig
Akademia Milicyjna The North is Coming
40
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Posted - 2014.04.08 10:28:00 -
[80] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Tarpedo wrote:Perhaps if we stop calling these patches "an expansion" CCP will start to create actual expansion?... You mean one of those WOW expansions that adds entire new land masses and monsters, new classes & skills Of course the cost of those land masses is that every single item you own is now useless. Every single build now needs reworking. Every single Raid Comp needs a new design. And doing any of the already existing content becomes useless. So WOW style expansions actually normally shrink the game, not expand it because they make more & more content obsolete. EVE tries to keep all content relevant so the addition of a single item which doesn't destroy others is actually a larger expansion than anything WOW or any theme park has ever released because every existing content piece is still relevant.
And bosses still do the same thing only the area/damage/timer changes. WoW is about learning to dodge in proper moment, and pushing buttons in correct order. What makes WoW look like it is actually a game is the fact that people manage to fail on both numerous times in a row. And then they rage because the fight is too hard (imo - not playing is the easiest way to not encounter problems in game).
I'm fairly new player, but I'm content with what they are doing. I also think eve has a niche on the market and will generally attract new people.
They should however improve the tutorials because they do not cover many parts of the game. Singature Radius 48 m |
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Masuka Taredi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
68
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Posted - 2014.04.08 10:45:00 -
[81] - Quote
Personally I'm glad they are working on fixes before adding more content. It is great to see bugs getting squashed and meaningful balances rolled out. Whilst all this gets done they can throw ideas about how to make future content meaningful for the playerbase also whilst complimenting what is already in game. |
Mr R4nd0m
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
171
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Posted - 2014.04.08 10:47:00 -
[82] - Quote
Nariya Kentaya wrote:PrettyMuch Always Right wrote:OP, imagine you have 2 scoops of Mint Chocolate Chip Ice Cream but there's hairs and dirt in it. Would you prefer the store gives you an extra scoop of Cookies n' Cream, or removes the hairs and dirt? I'd rather they replace the ice cream for a new one, tossing the old one away. That way I can obtain a fresher, more easily edible form of POS management, I mean Ice Cream. After all, no matter how many hairs and dirt are cleaned out, it was still **** coding, i mean dirty ice cream, to begin with.
this |
Mr R4nd0m
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
171
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Posted - 2014.04.08 10:49:00 -
[83] - Quote
La Nariz wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:La Nariz wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Please stop with that eve growing in numbers BS. Its not and hasnt been for years. Basically its just vets get more accounts to do other stuff, like a super pilot or they are so frigging bored in nullsec they get a fw alt, not new players subbing and staying.
So tell me what happened to all the t2 gangs now? there arent any. its all T1 frigs and cruisers. BS gangs dont exist anymore either.
Truth hurts doesn't it buddy? I'm sure someone will be a long to post the graph of the sub numbers and rub it in your face. The only things you got right was death2allsupercaps and nerf highsec. E: You are yet another in the encyclopedia of examples why npc alts shouldn't be allowed to post. E2: V I am happy to be corrected. Please show me the stats, the graph looks pretty much the same if not less than 5 years ago. Please check my history numb nuts instead of trying that npc alt crap. Its boring. One of them is literally in the post right below mine hence E2. You are an npc alt which means you are completely worthless and should not be allowed to post, I do not care what explanation you have for this.
Oh dear. I have no words for you. I saw 'dont care' and my view of your opinion just diminished, thanks for your input however |
Jovian Engineer
Into the Ether Nulli Secunda
0
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Posted - 2014.04.08 10:50:00 -
[84] - Quote
Biomass legacy code, kthxbai. |
Mr R4nd0m
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
171
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Posted - 2014.04.08 10:52:00 -
[85] - Quote
Balshem Rozenzweig wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Tarpedo wrote:Perhaps if we stop calling these patches "an expansion" CCP will start to create actual expansion?... You mean one of those WOW expansions that adds entire new land masses and monsters, new classes & skills Of course the cost of those land masses is that every single item you own is now useless. Every single build now needs reworking. Every single Raid Comp needs a new design. And doing any of the already existing content becomes useless. So WOW style expansions actually normally shrink the game, not expand it because they make more & more content obsolete. EVE tries to keep all content relevant so the addition of a single item which doesn't destroy others is actually a larger expansion than anything WOW or any theme park has ever released because every existing content piece is still relevant. And bosses still do the same thing only the area/damage/timer changes. WoW is about learning to dodge in proper moment, and pushing buttons in correct order. What makes WoW look like it is actually a game is the fact that people manage to fail on both numerous times in a row. And then they rage because the fight is too hard (imo - not playing is the easiest way to not encounter problems in game). I'm fairly new player, but I'm content with what they are doing. I also think eve has a niche on the market and will generally attract new people. They should however improve the tutorials because they do not cover many parts of the game.
Yes you are a fairly new player and you are still learning, seeing many parts of the game. For people that have played for many years, we need new content to keep us interested. Sorry but tweaks or a rebalance the interest factor lasts for the first few days, then its just you flying the same ship you always have. |
Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution Nullsec Ninjas
277
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Posted - 2014.04.08 10:53:00 -
[86] - Quote
I've been playing for 18 months, and I'm so boooored.
It's all I can do to log in for 5 minutes, check skill que to confirm that whatever it is I am training for is still going to take weeks, then ship spin for 5 minutes and log off and play Planetside 2 or World of Tanks.
If I do actually quit, then yes I will give my stuff away. Don't Panic.
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Jovian Engineer
Into the Ether Nulli Secunda
0
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Posted - 2014.04.08 10:57:00 -
[87] - Quote
Speedkermit Damo wrote:I've been playing for 18 months, and I'm so boooored.
It's all I can do to log in for 5 minutes, check skill que to confirm that whatever it is I am training for is still going to take weeks, then ship spin for 5 minutes and log off and play Planetside 2 or World of Tanks.
If I do actually quit, then yes I will give my stuff away.
Contract it my way pwetty please. |
Talia Prime
Imperial Militia
17
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Posted - 2014.04.08 10:57:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Im not here to play goons online. Also i guess a few thousand people that have unsubbed have a different opinion also then eh? i guess your opinion is the only one that matters? That's fine if you dont agree with me. Yes some of the major feature stuff was unfinished, so we should just stop doing them? Perhaps CCP should just do them properly perhaps?
Yes the balances have help like t1 ships but its also spoilt the game as now things like FW is just frig warfare mainly. Lots of the ships in the middle are not used in gangs like we used to. So its actually had a detrimental effect.
So we will have had almost 2 years of just tweaks and balances and you think that will keep and bring more people to the game? Why dont you stop thinking about what you want, and think about that the game needs?
Talk about hypocritical. TLDR: It's not about what you want, it's about what I want......
Mr R4nd0m wrote:Improve FW Overhaul 0.0 - people have been crying out for this for ages Bring in new content add more nullsec npc space
So 50% of what you're asking for is tweaks and rebalancing? O_o |
Ms Kat
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2014.04.08 11:03:00 -
[89] - Quote
I hear its going to be industry based this "expansion" |
King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
29
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Posted - 2014.04.08 11:23:00 -
[90] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Well if thats your opinion then fine. But 3 expansions in a row of it and nothing decent otherwise is not good. and im sorry but when you played for many years, just tweaks doesnt really make the game feel any different or better.
You have only played for 4 months. Maybe you could consider leaving the starter corp and tutorial missions and try playing the game instead?
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Elmonky
Titans of The Short Bus
8
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Posted - 2014.04.08 11:28:00 -
[91] - Quote
Been playing on and off for a good six (?) years with some good gaps in between subs. Being away from the game and playing other MMO (Rift, GW2, WoW, EQ2 etc etc) and then re-subbing each time feels like a new game.... I still don't feel like i've begun to touch on all aspects of the game (Still not done an incursion, FW or even lo sec ops and i still haven't sampled PI).
However I recently took a foray into the world of industry. Hardly anything has changed in all that time. Hi Sec Industry admittedly, but the interface feels exactly the same.
Just some examples
Orders on the Market give wallet blinks when bought - but still show in the orders screen Selecting a Blueprint AND finding a free installation feels like an absolute ballache Required Minerals and Extra Minerals isn't clear enough - showing as one total for both columns.
I can only think of one other company that went back and repaired some of the messy expansions they released (SOE with PS2 and EQ).
I am glad that CCP listen to the important things , and not necessarily nerf things because the EZmoders QQ'd too hard. Although i have heard this happened on a few occasions. |
Mr R4nd0m
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
176
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Posted - 2014.04.08 11:46:00 -
[92] - Quote
King Fu Hostile wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Well if thats your opinion then fine. But 3 expansions in a row of it and nothing decent otherwise is not good. and im sorry but when you played for many years, just tweaks doesnt really make the game feel any different or better.
You have only played for 4 months. Maybe you could consider leaving the starter corp and tutorial missions and try playing the game instead?
lol, perhaps look at the employment history first before posting a comment that clearly is incorrect and makes you look stupid |
Mr R4nd0m
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
176
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Posted - 2014.04.08 11:49:00 -
[93] - Quote
Talia Prime wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Im not here to play goons online. Also i guess a few thousand people that have unsubbed have a different opinion also then eh? i guess your opinion is the only one that matters? That's fine if you dont agree with me. Yes some of the major feature stuff was unfinished, so we should just stop doing them? Perhaps CCP should just do them properly perhaps?
Yes the balances have help like t1 ships but its also spoilt the game as now things like FW is just frig warfare mainly. Lots of the ships in the middle are not used in gangs like we used to. So its actually had a detrimental effect.
So we will have had almost 2 years of just tweaks and balances and you think that will keep and bring more people to the game? Why dont you stop thinking about what you want, and think about that the game needs?
Talk about hypocritical. TLDR: It's not about what you want, it's about what I want...... Mr R4nd0m wrote:Improve FW Overhaul 0.0 - people have been crying out for this for ages Bring in new content add more nullsec npc space So 50% of what you're asking for is tweaks and rebalancing? O_o
Yes 50% and the other is new content, so your point is? My point is that the expansions ae pretty much all tweaks. Im all for 50% tweaks 50% new content..
So.....you point is? |
Oxide Ammar
91
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Posted - 2014.04.08 12:01:00 -
[94] - Quote
They fix POS code then we can discuss new content after. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11054
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Posted - 2014.04.08 12:04:00 -
[95] - Quote
Oxide Ammar wrote:They fix POS code then we can discuss new content after.
Dont forget sov. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Jeremiah Saken
State Protectorate Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2014.04.08 12:06:00 -
[96] - Quote
Quote: Im all for 50% tweaks 50% new content..
Define what do you mean by new content.
Rubicon: ghost sites, paint jobs, mobile structures, sisters ships, ISIS -> new content. Warp changes, ships rebalancing -> tweaks.
"I am a leaf on the wind - watch how I soar" "Cry baby cry make, your mother sigh" "Dear Buddha, please bring me a pony and a plastic rocket..." |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4516
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Posted - 2014.04.08 12:07:00 -
[97] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Oxide Ammar wrote:They fix POS code then we can discuss new content after. Dont forget sov.
And drones. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11057
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Posted - 2014.04.08 12:12:00 -
[98] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:baltec1 wrote:Oxide Ammar wrote:They fix POS code then we can discuss new content after. Dont forget sov. And drones.
I'm itching to try these new changes. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4516
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Posted - 2014.04.08 12:12:00 -
[99] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:baltec1 wrote:Oxide Ammar wrote:They fix POS code then we can discuss new content after. Dont forget sov. And drones. I'm itching to try these new changes.
Likewise, but I hardly think the job's done just yet.
[Edit: There's still the hideous UI, for starters. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
2673
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Posted - 2014.04.08 12:16:00 -
[100] - Quote
When broken things are fixed it is like they are better than new; right? |
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5764
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Posted - 2014.04.08 12:21:00 -
[101] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:baltec1 wrote:Oxide Ammar wrote:They fix POS code then we can discuss new content after. Dont forget sov. And drones. I'm itching to try these new changes.
I'm just itching period, must have been that weekend in Vegas (apparently, "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" only applies to your money and your dignity, not...other things).
In addition to the drones, I'm very much waiting for the end of the week when Rise said we can expect the Pirate Battleship rebalance thread in F&I. That one's going to be...interesting way more interesting than the Pirate Frig and Cruiser threads because Pirate BSs are a cornerstone of High Sec PVE.
As soon as I see it's up, I'm going to type INB4DPPDoHSboNSC (in Before Dinsdale Pirrahna Predicts Death of High Sec because of Null Sec Cartels). |
Prince Kobol
1636
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Posted - 2014.04.08 12:23:00 -
[102] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:baltec1 wrote:Oxide Ammar wrote:They fix POS code then we can discuss new content after. Dont forget sov. And drones.
and the corp management interface,
and the science and industry interface,
and drone management interface,
and capital ships
and the whole its easier and safer to earn more isk in HS then in low and null sec for the grunts |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4517
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Posted - 2014.04.08 12:26:00 -
[103] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote: As soon as I see it's up, I'm going to type INB4DPPDoHSboNSC (in Before Dinsdale Pirrahna Predicts Death of High Sec because of Null Sec Cartels).
Too late. He beat you to it last night.
Always one step ahead of everyone... but the nullsec cartels. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
147
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Posted - 2014.04.08 12:26:00 -
[104] - Quote
I'm waiting for the pirate bs changes to see if i have to sell the Machariels asap. The patchexpansion is coming, i can feel it. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5766
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Posted - 2014.04.08 12:31:00 -
[105] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: As soon as I see it's up, I'm going to type INB4DPPDoHSboNSC (in Before Dinsdale Pirrahna Predicts Death of High Sec because of Null Sec Cartels).
Too late. He beat you to it last night. Always one step ahead of everyone... but the nullsec cartels.
Damn it, foiled again lol. That guy is like clock work. I suspect bot. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11057
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Posted - 2014.04.08 12:31:00 -
[106] - Quote
And I will have a very keen interest for one of my beloveds. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Abigail Sagan
Skeleton Liberation Front
52
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Posted - 2014.04.08 13:05:00 -
[107] - Quote
Jeremiah Saken wrote:Quote: Im all for 50% tweaks 50% new content..
Define what do you mean by new content. Rubicon: ghost sites, paint jobs, mobile structures, sisters ships, ISIS -> new content. Warp changes, ships rebalancing -> tweaks.
That is your view. Here is mine:
Rubicon features ( http://www.eveonline.com/rubicon/ ) - Paint jobs: new skin for a ship / avatar is just painting old stuff with fresh color. Not new content. Also, clumsily done, but that is beside the point. (Tweak) - Mobile structures: Clearly new content. Some of them are even useful by most people. Some literally suck (siphons), some might see some use in some hands. (Content) - Sisters of Eve Faction Ships: Clearly new content. Two of the three are even useful. (Content) - Rebalancing and roles: Tweak by definition. Very important part of the game. Mostly very well done. (Tweak) - Additional features: Gameplay/graphics/usability changes. I haven't noticed some of those, even though I have tried to look hard for them. (Tweak) - Encounter Surveillance System: A mobile structure, that was for some reason given it's own entry in features. It is not worth the title Content, I judge this as Marketing Trick, making Rubicon appear to have more features than it really has (Marketing Trick) - Guerilla-style warfare: namely Siphon units that are already part of Mobile Structures. (Marketing Trick) - High Sec Customs Offices: Spreading old feature from low/null to high (Tweak) - Warp Changes: Bug fix (Tweak) - ISIS: a part of Certificate overhaul (below). It is in the page for the same reason as Guerilla-style warfare (Marketing Trick) - Certificate system overhaul: Upgrade for the old (&useless) certificate system. (Tweak) - Ghost sites: Actual new content. (Content) - Character Screen Update: New login character selection window (Tweak) - Stream and Share: Twitch integration eh? New feature? Hardly. (Marketing Trick) - Orbital bombardment: Wasn't this supposed to be in EVE already - not that I know anyone who actually does this (Marketing Trick)
Total count - Content: 3 - Tweak: 7 - Marketing Trick: 5
Because the size and importance of those Tweaks and Contents is difficult to estimate, I won't do more math about the matter.
Disclaimer: This post is just simple math and opinions. Your opinions might differ. However, everyone must agree that my opinion is superior to everyone elses. ;)
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Qen Tye
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
45
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Posted - 2014.04.08 13:09:00 -
[108] - Quote
Have to say that after I revoked my account A LOT of new stuff has arrived.
Ships, faction / t2 gear, implant sets and whatnot.
Hell even a n00b ORE beginner mining vessel; Venture has come. /GREAT addition btw (mined in a freaking bestower once)
So at least for me great new stuff and skills to do/learn.
unsub if you are not enjoying the game anymore /fixed
Games are to have fun and socialize with corp mates; Not to mutter and be annoyed. Two possibilities exists: Either we are alone in the universe-áor we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1875
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Posted - 2014.04.08 13:13:00 -
[109] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:La Nariz wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:La Nariz wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Please stop with that eve growing in numbers BS. Its not and hasnt been for years. Basically its just vets get more accounts to do other stuff, like a super pilot or they are so frigging bored in nullsec they get a fw alt, not new players subbing and staying.
So tell me what happened to all the t2 gangs now? there arent any. its all T1 frigs and cruisers. BS gangs dont exist anymore either.
Truth hurts doesn't it buddy? I'm sure someone will be a long to post the graph of the sub numbers and rub it in your face. The only things you got right was death2allsupercaps and nerf highsec. E: You are yet another in the encyclopedia of examples why npc alts shouldn't be allowed to post. E2: V I am happy to be corrected. Please show me the stats, the graph looks pretty much the same if not less than 5 years ago. Please check my history numb nuts instead of trying that npc alt crap. Its boring. One of them is literally in the post right below mine hence E2. You are an npc alt which means you are completely worthless and should not be allowed to post, I do not care what explanation you have for this. Oh dear. I have no words for you. I saw 'dont care' and my view of your opinion just diminished, thanks for your input however
Again you are a worthless NPC alt posting a whine thread.
This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Jeremiah Saken
State Protectorate Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2014.04.08 13:21:00 -
[110] - Quote
Quote:This post is just simple math and opinions. Your opinions might differ. However, everyone must agree that my opinion is superior to everyone elses. ;)
Basically its not the amount of new content features that matters the most. Quality is the word here.
Like Sisters of EvE vs paint jobs. Like one of CSM wrote, don't expect another apocrypha.
Fanfest will come, we will get more info. I hope. "I am a leaf on the wind - watch how I soar" "Cry baby cry make, your mother sigh" "Dear Buddha, please bring me a pony and a plastic rocket..." |
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Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution Nullsec Ninjas
278
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Posted - 2014.04.08 13:42:00 -
[111] - Quote
La Nariz wrote:Again you are a worthless NPC alt posting a whine thread.
The only thing more worthless than posting in a whine thread, is whining about NPC alts, and whine threads in a whine thread.
Don't Panic.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11059
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Posted - 2014.04.08 14:18:00 -
[112] - Quote
Speedkermit Damo wrote:La Nariz wrote:Again you are a worthless NPC alt posting a whine thread.
The only thing more worthless than posting in a whine thread, is whining about NPC alts, and whine threads in a whine thread.
You be whining about whining about whining. Dare we go deeper? Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
647
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Posted - 2014.04.08 14:40:00 -
[113] - Quote
In my belief it will be sorta vapor sprinkled with stuff like since apocrypha.
one of big deals is shooting miners that tells a lot... http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Mr R4nd0m
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
177
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Posted - 2014.04.08 14:44:00 -
[114] - Quote
Abigail Sagan wrote:Jeremiah Saken wrote:Quote: Im all for 50% tweaks 50% new content..
Define what do you mean by new content. Rubicon: ghost sites, paint jobs, mobile structures, sisters ships, ISIS -> new content. Warp changes, ships rebalancing -> tweaks. That is your view. Here is mine: Rubicon features ( http://www.eveonline.com/rubicon/ ) - Paint jobs: new skin for a ship / avatar is just painting old stuff with fresh color. Not new content. Also, clumsily done, but that is beside the point. (Tweak) - Mobile structures: Clearly new content. Some of them are even useful by most people. Some literally suck (siphons), some might see some use in some hands. (Content) - Sisters of Eve Faction Ships: Clearly new content. Two of the three are even useful. (Content) - Rebalancing and roles: Tweak by definition. Very important part of the game. Mostly very well done. (Tweak) - Additional features: Gameplay/graphics/usability changes. I haven't noticed some of those, even though I have tried to look hard for them. (Tweak) - Encounter Surveillance System: A mobile structure, that was for some reason given it's own entry in features. It is not worth the title Content, I judge this as Marketing Trick, making Rubicon appear to have more features than it really has (Marketing Trick) - Guerilla-style warfare: namely Siphon units that are already part of Mobile Structures. (Marketing Trick) - High Sec Customs Offices: Spreading old feature from low/null to high (Tweak) - Warp Changes: Bug fix (Tweak) - ISIS: a part of Certificate overhaul (below). It is in the page for the same reason as Guerilla-style warfare (Marketing Trick) - Certificate system overhaul: Upgrade for the old (&useless) certificate system. (Tweak) - Ghost sites: Actual new content. (Content) - Character Screen Update: New login character selection window (Tweak) - Stream and Share: Twitch integration eh? New feature? Hardly. (Marketing Trick) - Orbital bombardment: Wasn't this supposed to be in EVE already - not that I know anyone who actually does this (Marketing Trick) Total count - Content: 3 - Tweak: 7 - Marketing Trick: 5 Because the size and importance of those Tweaks and Contents is difficult to estimate, I won't do more math about the matter. Disclaimer: This post is just simple math and opinions. Your opinions might differ. However, everyone must agree that my opinion is superior to everyone elses. ;)
all pretty useless bar a few |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
174
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Posted - 2014.04.08 15:13:00 -
[115] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:Please dont just make this yet another tweak and balance expansion, this will be a third in a row! I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt
That's all they have.
Devs for most games do ongoing tweaks to their game. CCP has nothing new to offer, so they change a few stats, that should be an ongoing processes, and call it an expansion. It's really kinda sad.
They could fix the suxor sov system, but that would take imagination, or simple adopting one of the many suggestions they have already been presented with.
So the big news is changes to mining barges, lol. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5770
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Posted - 2014.04.08 15:26:00 -
[116] - Quote
This thread is an example of the extreme entitlement many players demonstrate.
Other game companies CHARGE for expansions that (at best) give players a few dozen extra hours of new content. CCP provides FREE expansions (and they are free, they don't ask for a single extra dime above our subs to provide them) with 'content' (or rather, sandbox tools) that provide infinite amounts of gameplay. And all some of you can do is ***** lol...***** about a game company giving you free stuff.
I could never be a part of CCP. Within 5 minutes of working there I'd book a flight to London just for the pure pleasure of pulling the plug on the server just to give these whiners something real to whine about. And no refunds either (EULA 4 life). |
Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
2853
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Posted - 2014.04.08 15:29:00 -
[117] - Quote
Arsine Mayhem wrote:They could fix the suxor sov system, but that would take imagination, or simple adopting one of the many suggestions they have already been presented with. the wise man builds his house on stone, not sand. the refining changes are, i think, the first step to laying the foundation |
Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
1089
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Posted - 2014.04.08 15:39:00 -
[118] - Quote
Abigail Sagan wrote:- Warp Changes: Bug fix (Tweak)
OK, so here's the thing about a sandbox: the apparent size of the feature doesn't correlate to either the amount of work that went into designing it or to its impact on game play. You can say, well they just changed this one formula. That's true. But they changed a forumla that impacts a part of the game that almost everyone does almost all the time. Before they made the change, they had to figure out what the intent of the change was. Then they had to go over every ship class and a bunch of modules and rigs and make sure that the change would have the intended effect, without any terribly broken side effects.
And sure enough, the warp speed change had the significant effect of catching the actual game up with the lore, which holds that cruisers are the ship class of choice. It also makes that part of the game more accessible to new players.
So yes, you can say it was a tweak, but it was a tweak to the New Eden equivalent of a physical law. If you tweak the equation for gravity just a little bit, what happens in RL? Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries
404
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Posted - 2014.04.08 16:31:00 -
[119] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:baltec1 wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote: Im not here to play goons online. Also i guess a few thousand people that have unsubbed have a different opinion also then eh? i guess your opinion is the only one that matters? That's fine if you dont agree with me. Yes some of the major feature stuff was unfinished, so we should just stop doing them? Perhaps CCP should just do them properly perhaps?
Yes the balances have help like t1 ships but its also spoilt the game as now things like FW is just frig warfare mainly. Lots of the ships in the middle are not used in gangs like we used to. So its actually had a detrimental effect.
This game took its first and only hit to numbers when they gave us big new unfinished features. It wasn't goons that rioted, it was everyone. EVE is now growing in subs again after CCP changed their path and focused on fixing stuff. I now see ships being used that never saw the light of day before. We used to use the same handful of ships all the time until they were either nerfed or something else was buffed to the point of being overpowered. Now I can pick damn near any ship and have success with it. Not even the sub numbers agree with you. Please stop with that eve growing in numbers BS. Its not and hasnt been for years. Basically its just vets get more accounts to do other stuff, like a super pilot or they are so frigging bored in nullsec they get a fw alt, not new players subbing and staying. So tell me what happened to all the t2 gangs now? there arent any. its all T1 frigs and cruisers. BS gangs dont exist anymore either. Interceptor gangs, Hac gangs, and t3 fleets no longer exist? I guess I'll have to tell some of my friends to stop using them! I wonder how that will change wormholes... New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Hoshi Sorano
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2014.04.08 18:00:00 -
[120] - Quote
DaReaper wrote:EvE is currently on an expantion arc. This arc will lead to new space, which will bring in 'new and dynamic game play' Instead of dumping this huge game changer on us, they are guiding us in slowly. While i will agree that the last 3 expantions have been lack luster in the expanding new gameplay dept, as a vet who has been here since Castor (or maybe Second genesis, i forget) there have been HUGE improvements on how the expantions are handled. I'll give you some exsamples of past WTF's.
1) The big feature of Exodus was PoS' and Alliances, as well as Dreads. The sov system was quickly to shown to suck, pos management sucked. CCP said 'oh we will fix things np..." Then they jumped onto the next expantion (either RMR or Cold War, i always mix them up) and ignored issues.
2) Titans came in i think RMR (or Cold War) They said 'oh we know xxx is over powered, don't worry we will fix it) it took them 2 years to make titans not move after DD'ing and then another 2 or so years to change the DD.
3) FW, this came out in Empeyan age... i think... yea that sounds right. It was buggy, and sucked. Hardly anyone played. It took CCP 3 years to even address ANY issues on it.
4) PI we were promised PI would be one way, and that it would tie into this new game ccp is developing in china called Dust (Dust was announced way before 2010 for thouse who don't know) But PI will let you do nice things, this is just the first set of interaction, trust us we will improve it. 5 years or so later... its still a click fest annoying hunk of crap. (i hate PI, i hate all the stupid clicking...)
5) Sov.... oh dear lord... We went from 1 pos gets you sov in 24 hours. To the most pos' get you sov in 7 days. To Each pos has a special weight, small = 1, med = 5 small, 1 large = 7 med (or some ****) To.. oh btw if you own 51% of the systems in a constalation with 3 outpost you can make a system invulernable to all attack! Don't worry we will add more tools to constalation sov, just you wait.. To.. yea scratch that constalation sov crap, here is Domion! with new upgrades! We will add more upgrades later just you see!!!!
6) Incursions... yea they promised to add more...
7) COSMOS... yea... see above.
8) WiS we were told one thing, and given a steaming pile of dog crap for another.
Patches used to be like this....
DT for expantion will be 4 hours... no wait 8.. no wait 12... crap sorry 24... ok up.. no down... no up... patch... down.. up... hotfix... down... up... unstable... reboot... hotfix...hotfix....hotfix... unstable...down...up..patch... stable... patch patch patch fix.
Compaired to:
DT 1 hour... opps 30 min... up... hotfix....reboot...up...stable...up.
I like the new ccp, finish your broken crap, give us new stuff that works from the get go. Big jesus feature will come, once you see what all the little stuff ties to, you will go 'oh snap!' is my guess
I've always been of the opinion that it might be best for CCP to only put out one major expansion each year. In place of the second expansion, they could put out a major update (tweaks, bugfixes etc.), which could primarily be focused on fixing whatever damage the most recent expansion caused.
Nevyn Auscent wrote:You mean one of those WOW expansions that adds entire new land masses and monsters, new classes & skills Of course the cost of those land masses is that every single item you own is now useless. Every single build now needs reworking. Every single Raid Comp needs a new design. And doing any of the already existing content becomes useless.
Funny, I already feel like that's been the case with quite a number of EVE's expansions. |
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Sarah McKnobbo
McKnobbo Universal Traders
151
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Posted - 2014.04.08 19:51:00 -
[121] - Quote
I hope it isn't as bad as your spelling and grammar. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
552
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Posted - 2014.04.08 20:37:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:Please dont just make this yet another tweak and balance expansion, this will be a third in a row! I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt I was just hoping for not another terrible boring forum post.. but too late... -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1253
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Posted - 2014.04.08 20:41:00 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:Please dont just make this yet another tweak and balance expansion, this will be a third in a row! I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt That's all they have. Devs for most games do ongoing tweaks to their game. CCP has nothing new to offer, so they change a few stats, that should be an ongoing processes, and call it an expansion. It's really kinda sad. They could fix the suxor sov system, but that would take imagination, or simple adopting one of the many suggestions they have already been presented with. So the big news is changes to mining barges, lol.
Yeah, mining barges that have previously been rebalanced that most people were happy with.
CCP are just keeping us busy with tweaks whilst they work on other products.
Eve as games go is complete you won't see anything other than small tweaks, balance passes and modules ever again. Meanwhile all our subscriptions are getting spent on metrosexual vampires, dust, Facebook rift and phone apps. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3242
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Posted - 2014.04.08 20:43:00 -
[124] - Quote
Little Dragon Khamez wrote: metrosexual vampires
Hey! You have to have these before you have hypersexual werewolves to rip them in half
IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN
*** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
282
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Posted - 2014.04.08 20:51:00 -
[125] - Quote
Don't hold your breath waiting for new content or innovation. The Jita statue shooters and bittervets killed all that and scared CCP out of their minds after the fiasco surrounding Incarna. All we'll get for the foreseeable future is tweaks and bug fixes thrown together and labeled as something that expands the game.
I don't see why ongoing iteration on older content, bug fixes, balancing and fresh content can't co-exist. I understand there are limited resources but developers smaller than CCP seem to be able to manage this. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1253
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Posted - 2014.04.08 20:54:00 -
[126] - Quote
Nick Bete wrote:Don't hold your breath waiting for new content or innovation. The Jita statue shooters and bittervets killed all that and scared CCP out of their minds after the fiasco surrounding Incarna. All we'll get for the foreseeable future is tweaks and bug fixes thrown together and labeled as something that expands the game.
I don't see why ongoing iteration on older content, bug fixes, balancing and fresh content can't co-exist. I understand there are limited resources but developers smaller than CCP seem to be able to manage this.
It's because CCP are spread too thin, wod, valkyrie, dust, phone apps and eve. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
131
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Posted - 2014.04.08 21:14:00 -
[127] - Quote
I for one, am mostly happy with what CCP has been doing. I hate the sensor overlay being on by default and not having a way to turn it off (inb4 lol it cycles once and remains off), but outside of that I'm fine with most of what has come.
I like not having to spend 120m isk on a BC to have fun at pvp, when a simple 8m frigate will do the job just fine.
I would like more WH content and a bit of eye candy for WH space as a whole, but I'm fine the way I am. This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165 |
Tweek Etimua
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2014.04.08 23:29:00 -
[128] - Quote
Just my opinions.
The last expansions have got me thinking, How many people work at CCP? How many did it take to fix the maths(or what ever programers do to re-balance ships)? It's very odd when any development team produces what I perceive as dull content. Now yes as a gamer I'm use to seeing map packs/new mission in new expansions and things like weapons balancing are merely updates. So my natural position is, where's the beef? It would be nice to see something as game changing as I've heard Titans were. Siphons are nice. but there not universe altering, Black hole filling or even earth shattering. Its just...meh.
It would be nice to see CCP implement something new that changes the game in it's entirety. |
Jen Takhesis
The Scope Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2014.04.08 23:30:00 -
[129] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote: What would you change and add in the expansion if you were Mr Seeseepee?
It'd be awesome if we could, like, walk around in stations and meet people and stuff like that. |
Freakdevil
Aliastra Gallente Federation
108
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Posted - 2014.04.08 23:39:00 -
[130] - Quote
Jen Takhesis wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: What would you change and add in the expansion if you were Mr Seeseepee?
It'd be awesome if we could, like, walk around in stations and meet people and stuff like that.
But we do. Its' called Real Life. Best expansion ever. Well except when you realize you have a loose thread. Not fun.
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masternerdguy
State Protectorate Caldari State
1557
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Posted - 2014.04.08 23:46:00 -
[131] - Quote
Lets just roll back to Apocrypha and go from there. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Dr Techenstein Techsalt
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.04.09 05:12:00 -
[132] - Quote
I have just started Eve, I come from dust. |
masternerdguy
State Protectorate Caldari State
1558
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Posted - 2014.04.09 05:13:00 -
[133] - Quote
Dr Techenstein Techsalt wrote:I have just started Eve, I come from dust.
You have ascended to a higher plane of existence my friend. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Kyperion
218
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Posted - 2014.04.09 05:16:00 -
[134] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:Please dont just make this yet another tweak and balance expansion, this will be a third in a row! I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt tweak and balance is fine, but if they're messing with my Sentry Drones, they could at least update the graphics and have cooler pew pew effects! |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1876
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Posted - 2014.04.09 05:21:00 -
[135] - Quote
Dr Techenstein Techsalt wrote:I have just started Eve, I come from dust.
If you go and suicide gank a miner or some other highsec scum I'll give you some newbie starting isk. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Kyperion
218
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Posted - 2014.04.09 05:23:00 -
[136] - Quote
Nick Bete wrote:Don't hold your breath waiting for new content or innovation. The Jita statue shooters and bittervets killed all that and scared CCP out of their minds after the fiasco surrounding Incarna. All we'll get for the foreseeable future is tweaks and bug fixes thrown together and labeled as something that expands the game.
I don't see why ongoing iteration on older content, bug fixes, balancing and fresh content can't co-exist. I understand there are limited resources but developers smaller than CCP seem to be able to manage this. Played EVE off and on for a while, and I think quality of life in this game is getting better and better, minus the aforementioned bittervets turned psychotic high security 'content creators'... all of these bug fixes n' tweaks were needed... but some ground breaking stuff is long overdue, as are things like ship painting, which needs to be quickly brought out on a massive scale. And there needs to be more ships added to the game, many more ships... and they need to just add space, Worm-hole space, Null-sec space... need to just start dumping new systems for people to explore. |
Kyperion
219
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Posted - 2014.04.09 05:32:00 -
[137] - Quote
La Nariz wrote:Dr Techenstein Techsalt wrote:I have just started Eve, I come from dust. If you go and suicide gank a miner or some other highsec scum I'll give you some newbie starting isk. If you Awox a goon or all of the bastards, I'll triple whatever that douchebag wants to give you |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4549
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Posted - 2014.04.09 05:34:00 -
[138] - Quote
Oh, look, Kyperion got unbanned. Welcome back. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kyperion
219
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Posted - 2014.04.09 05:42:00 -
[139] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Oh, look, Kyperion got unbanned. Welcome back. LMAO, you thought I got banned? ... WoW dude, you really are bass ackwards.
Nope, been taking in some beautiful mountain vistas with the in-laws, while wating for a few longer skill ques to complete, branching out from just T2 drones. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4553
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Posted - 2014.04.09 05:51:00 -
[140] - Quote
Kyperion wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Oh, look, Kyperion got unbanned. Welcome back. LMAO, you thought I got banned? ... WoW dude, you really are bass ackwards. Nope, been taking in some beautiful mountain vistas with the in-laws, while wating for a few longer skill ques to complete, branching out from just T2 drones.
Nailed it. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Jeremiah Saken
State Protectorate Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2014.04.09 05:51:00 -
[141] - Quote
Quote:And there needs to be more ships added to the game, many more ships...
I don't think its good idea. More ships, more work to balance them. EvE will become Game of Balance. "I am a leaf on the wind - watch how I soar" "Cry baby cry make, your mother sigh" "Dear Buddha, please bring me a pony and a plastic rocket..." |
Kyperion
220
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Posted - 2014.04.09 05:55:00 -
[142] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kyperion wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Oh, look, Kyperion got unbanned. Welcome back. LMAO, you thought I got banned? ... WoW dude, you really are bass ackwards. Nope, been taking in some beautiful mountain vistas with the in-laws, while wating for a few longer skill ques to complete, branching out from just T2 drones. Nailed it. MMHHMM, sure ya did |
Kyperion
220
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Posted - 2014.04.09 05:57:00 -
[143] - Quote
Jeremiah Saken wrote:Quote:And there needs to be more ships added to the game, many more ships... I don't think its good idea. More ships, more work to balance them. EvE will become Game of Balance. Every MMO is game of balance.... and generally even the best of them fail in at least some areas.
More choices and skins to look at = always good, regardless of balancing impact. |
Jeremiah Saken
State Protectorate Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2014.04.09 06:41:00 -
[144] - Quote
Quote:More choices and skins to look at = always good, regardless of balancing impact.
Yep, now we have good looking ship - Nestor. Hulls must be build for certain roles otherwise it's waste of resources. I assume Nestor, will be not look at until black ops balancing. Which is in distant future. Where's the point of introducing it? Content?
or
you just want new skins of current ships? AF Harpy with same stats on different looking hulls? "I am a leaf on the wind - watch how I soar" "Cry baby cry make, your mother sigh" "Dear Buddha, please bring me a pony and a plastic rocket..." |
Jallukola
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.04.09 07:19:00 -
[145] - Quote
Kyperion wrote:Jeremiah Saken wrote:Quote:And there needs to be more ships added to the game, many more ships... I don't think its good idea. More ships, more work to balance them. EvE will become Game of Balance. Every MMO is game of balance.... and generally even the best of them fail in at least some areas. More choices and skins to look at = always good, regardless of balancing impact. Every MMO indeed is a game of balance, but not every MMO disregard balance throught humongous injections of concretical content. I for one prefer CCP taking their time with balancing and repairing. |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
261
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Posted - 2014.04.09 07:41:00 -
[146] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:Please dont just make this yet another tweak and balance expansion, this will be a third in a row! I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt
Mr R4nd0m wrote:Improve FW Tweak and Balance Overhaul 0.0 - people have been crying out for this for ages Tweak and Balance Bring in new content Well that's nice and specific... add more nullsec npc space Why?
So what was it you wanted again? |
Frank Pannon
105
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Posted - 2014.04.09 08:34:00 -
[147] - Quote
Op are you just whining or do you actually have a point. |
Abigail Sagan
Skeleton Liberation Front
53
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Posted - 2014.04.09 10:04:00 -
[148] - Quote
Dersen Lowery wrote:Abigail Sagan wrote:- Warp Changes: Bug fix (Tweak) OK, so here's the thing about a sandbox: the apparent size of the feature doesn't correlate to either the amount of work that went into designing it or to its impact on game play. You can say, well they just changed this one formula. That's true. But they changed a forumla that impacts a part of the game that almost everyone does almost all the time. Before they made the change, they had to figure out what the intent of the change was. Then they had to go over every ship class and a bunch of modules and rigs and make sure that the change would have the intended effect, without any terribly broken side effects. And sure enough, the warp speed change had the significant effect of catching the actual game up with the lore, which holds that cruisers are the ship class of choice. It also makes that part of the game more accessible to new players. So yes, you can say it was a tweak, but it was a tweak to the New Eden equivalent of a physical law. If you tweak the equation for gravity just a little bit, what happens in RL?
I am not saying Warp Change was an easy thing to achieve or meaningless thing to have. In fact my opinion about it is quite the opposite; it appeared to be difficult to achieve and it is quite meaningful to boot. All I ment was, that it was a change to an existing mechanic and thus a "tweak" and therefore it was not "new content". I believe this discussion is about importance of content vs tweaks in expansions of EVE.
Imo tweaks are not expanding EVE, but they can have their important purpose (like rebalancing). Some tweaks on the other hand have no importance (paint jobs and new clothes), but on the other hand some content has no importance either (nestor being the easy example). Maybe "importance" is close approximation to "quality" here.
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Dr Techenstein Techsalt
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.04.09 11:27:00 -
[149] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:Dr Techenstein Techsalt wrote:I have just started Eve, I come from dust. You have ascended to a higher plane of existence my friend.
Thank you. Dust was released on a machine inhabited by cod scum, the types who have never even heard of ultima online and other decent games, therefore for every post that is good for dusts direction and integration into eve, there's 200 more of dust only types who want to be something more than what they are, a lowly clone scumbag. Naturally the same goes for players, most of the beta players are allied up, others like myself went a tried our own thing, new players have no clue, they are console only types mostly remember lol.
My corp, called Swamp Marines at the time had an experienced Eve pilots who is ex goon. We were building with the dust/eve link solely in mind, each new patch simply confirmed that this is a waste of time unless dropping orbitals and talking a lot is what one would consider immersion and integration. Also in dust, people like me who buy aurum constantly would destroy the market the moment it would be introduced.
Dust was great when the potential was believable but its obvious that CCP Reykjavik needs to work on dust, not shanghai, I'm positive that the guys in shanghai has no vision at all BUT they are good in the art department. I'll still play dust, I'll try to get my mercs to join eve. The big problem with dust is the end game, it really doesnt work in an fps on a machine with less RAM than my phone and again, its lowly merc scum playing empires when really it should be Eve players that control the surface infrastructure, clone transport and logistics. If you say that, you get 100 cod kid scum screaming how boring dust would be or they don't like it, so fk dusts potential, the majority idiot vote wins EVERYTIME. I am certain it will never be more than a lobby shooter.
I am a seibiestor winmatar scumbag and I definitely want to drop OBS in factional warfare on mercs I know lol. Anyway I hope that was as interesting to read as it was for me to semi rant.
*drinks quafe* |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
380
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Posted - 2014.04.09 11:33:00 -
[150] - Quote
Its pretty easy to work out what the OP is saying, he is asking about something that catches the imagination and gets you keen to log in and play, something that makes the average player go wow, however what the OP has failed to work out is the the average Eve player goes wow when they have either scammed someone, culled some tears or made someone have a rage induced heart attack in some sort of debased bonus room on teamspeak, that is the average Eve players wow moment... Don't be a turd and follow the herd Instead be a Hero at Hub Zero |
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Dr Techenstein Techsalt
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.04.09 11:47:00 -
[151] - Quote
I would just like to add that an eve pilot technically does run the end game and by force anyway lol, gg kain o7. |
Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution Nullsec Ninjas
279
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Posted - 2014.04.09 12:11:00 -
[152] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Speedkermit Damo wrote:La Nariz wrote:Again you are a worthless NPC alt posting a whine thread.
The only thing more worthless than posting in a whine thread, is whining about NPC alts, and whine threads in a whine thread. You be whining about whining about whining. Dare we go deeper?
Doh! Don't Panic.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1880
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:34:00 -
[153] - Quote
Dr Techenstein Techsalt wrote:I would just like to add that an eve pilot technically does run the end game and by force anyway lol, gg kain o7.
So how about that offer then? Suicide gank a miner or other highsec scum for newbie isk. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
205
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:40:00 -
[154] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:Please dont jsut make this yet another tweak and balance expansation, this will be a third in a row! I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt I am willing to accept a one time transferring of now unneeded valuables that you may wish to be rid of. CCp damn near died trying to give people "Jesus Features" that they would then go on to forget about (sure, CCPs gonna get around to finishing COSMOS one of these days, i just know it). What we as a community told them is "fix the game, screw the big stuff" and that's what they've been doing. The game is soooo much better than it was in 2009 because of it. CCP should keep doing that. Oh how easily people forget the past. Well if thats your opinion then fine. But 3 expansions in a row of it and nothing decent otherwise is not good. and im sorry but when you played for many years, just tweaks doesnt really make the game feel any different or better. But... I dont want it to be different. What would you change and add in the expansion if you were Mr Seeseepee? Improve FW Overhaul 0.0 - people have been crying out for this for ages Bring in new content add more nullsec npc space
improve sov sounds like tweaking as sov already exists overhaul 0.0 sounds like tweaking as 0.0 already exists bring in new content doesnt specify anything, do you want resto shammys and dragons? thats theoretically "content" add more nullsec npc space, I havent heard much about nullsec npc but from what i have heard, nullsec is in general barren. But as i havent heard anything specific maybe that just means player conquerable null?
basically the only suggestion you have which might be adding something new may not even need it because i've never heard specifics between npc and non npc null in regards to "empty" or not status |
Berendas
The Learning Curve. The Marmite Collective
865
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Posted - 2014.04.09 16:00:00 -
[155] - Quote
"Stop releasing useless features, CCP! Fix what is broken!" -2009 "Stop fixing broken things, CCP. We want more half-baked new features!" -2011 onwards
There is no pleasing some people. CCP is on the right track, EVE is in its best state in years. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
856
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Posted - 2014.04.09 18:04:00 -
[156] - Quote
Well arguably if 21 million wasn't written off and DUST killed we might see more meaningful EvE releases. Would you like to know more? |
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
184
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Posted - 2014.04.09 18:44:00 -
[157] - Quote
Meanwhile, Eve Offline's weekly average graph (at 2014-04-03) shows almost 5000 less connected accounts compared to the same date a year before.
Is Eve still growing? |
M1k3y Koontz
Thorn Project Surely You're Joking
566
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Posted - 2014.04.09 19:36:00 -
[158] - Quote
@OP Oh noes, CCP is working on fixing horribly broken things! Must not let that happen, lets add Titan Supercarriers! Supercarriers with doomsdays, moar Jesus features!!!1!
Seriously, I'd rather they fix things rather than add more broken ****. How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
Mr R4nd0m
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
185
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:41:00 -
[159] - Quote
M1k3y Koontz wrote:@OP Oh noes, CCP is working on fixing horribly broken things! Must not let that happen, lets add Titan Supercarriers! Supercarriers with doomsdays, moar Jesus features!!!1!
Seriously, I'd rather they fix things rather than add more broken ****.
i think you have missed my point completely. I never ever said dont do tweaks and fix things, i am all for that, however this will be the third expansion - so nearly 2 years that its just been mainly about rebalancing, tweaks and hardly any big features. Its about time we started doing both. Have some tweaks plus new features.
I wouldnt say overhauling 0.0 is a tweak by the way! thats a major change.
if you are happy with how CCP are tweaking stuff and thats it, then fine thats your choice, but not for me. For us long term players that have done everything, we need to see more new content coming out for us to play with to keep us interested. I dont think i am asking too much am i for the subs im paying.
Its all fine, i mean i have the option to unsub and come back , when things do get better, right?
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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
648
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Posted - 2014.04.09 21:10:00 -
[160] - Quote
Berendas wrote:"Stop releasing useless features, CCP! Fix what is broken!" -2009 "Stop fixing broken things, CCP. We want more half-baked new features!" -2011 onwards
There is no pleasing some people. CCP is on the right track, EVE is in its best state in years.
Don't think anyone is arguing about not releasing useless features lol
Also fixing things via patches is nice
But Expansion is not 90% fixes and 10% something.
Saying we don't need more than monocolor tv because it isn't broken(and we will fix it when it does) after 60years is ridiculous argument yes?
yes. http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Winchester Steele
909
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Posted - 2014.04.09 21:16:00 -
[161] - Quote
Mina Sebiestar wrote:Berendas wrote:"Stop releasing useless features, CCP! Fix what is broken!" -2009 "Stop fixing broken things, CCP. We want more half-baked new features!" -2011 onwards
There is no pleasing some people. CCP is on the right track, EVE is in its best state in years. Don't think anyone is arguing about not releasing useless features lol Also fixing things via patches is nice But Expansion is not 90% fixes and 10% something. Saying we don't need more than monocolor tv because it isn't broken(and we will fix it when it does) after 60years is ridiculous argument yes? yes.
Yes. That is an absolutely ridiculous argument. Luckily it has no bearing on the topic at hand, and thus may be dismissed with a wave of the hand.
/waves hand. ... |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3293
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Posted - 2014.04.09 21:18:00 -
[162] - Quote
Mina Sebiestar wrote: monochrome tv
Fixed *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Kyperion
226
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Posted - 2014.04.10 04:51:00 -
[163] - Quote
Missioning, and Mining need complete overhauls... Period.
The new ship skin thing, is LONG overdue, and they need to go full speed ahead with it.
There needs to be new, as in completely new, never before seen space added to the game... they need to open the EVE gate or some such, open up the entire universe to the playerbase, so the map is big enough that exploration can literally be exploring, not just some half assed hacking dumbshit. |
Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
2860
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Posted - 2014.04.10 05:09:00 -
[164] - Quote
Kyperion wrote:There needs to be new, as in completely new, never before seen space added to the game... they need to open the EVE gate or some such, open up the entire universe to the playerbase, so the map is big enough that exploration can literally be exploring, not just some half assed hacking dumbshit. this 'exploring' would last like fifteen minutes before it was mapped, documented, min-maxed and no longer exciting
consumable content is not good for eve |
Cheng Musana
Purple Space Ponys AAA Citizens
65
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Posted - 2014.04.10 05:29:00 -
[165] - Quote
Expansion? More like a collection of bug fixes and thats about it. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11095
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Posted - 2014.04.10 05:58:00 -
[166] - Quote
Cheng Musana wrote:Expansion? More like a collection of bug fixes and thats about it.
Yet these last three updates have added more content than any of the other "big content addons". Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1342
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Posted - 2014.04.10 06:01:00 -
[167] - Quote
What's better, adding 3 shiny new ships or making 20 previously useless ship actually viable?
Recall that in 2011 huge swathes of T1 cruisers were pretty much total garbage. |
Jallukola
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2014.04.10 06:02:00 -
[168] - Quote
Cheng Musana wrote:Expansion? More like a collection of bug fixes and thats about it. Yes, and? Do you honestly prefer smashing in forced content, when there is plenty enough already, majority of which is even player created? In-game assets aren't the only form of content you know.
CCP has been doing great job so far, and I think they've catched up quite well from the mistakes of Incarna, despite Incarna's goals were good willed. Like I said, that legacy code thingy should be the absolute priority for now, but then again, that's only my opinion. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
649
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Posted - 2014.04.10 13:10:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Missioning, and Mining need complete overhauls... Period.
The new ship skin thing, is LONG overdue, and they need to go full speed ahead with it.
There needs to be new, as in completely new, never before seen space added to the game... they need to open the EVE gate or some such, open up the entire universe to the playerbase, so the map is big enough that exploration can literally be exploring, not just some half assed hacking dumbshit.
Agreed and it is no brainer if we talk about expansion not patch .
but one thing is certain with no game mechanic change for how u manage and maintain null space blue doughnut would transform in blue pretzel pretty fast, and blocking null cartels doing that via another WH space isn't best solution.imo. http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
1164
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Posted - 2014.04.10 13:12:00 -
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Cat emoticons for the chat client. |
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Prince Kobol
1644
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Posted - 2014.04.10 13:39:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:What's better, adding 3 shiny new ships or making 20 previously useless ship actually viable?
Recall that in 2011 huge swathes of T1 cruisers were pretty much total garbage.
The question is have they made 20 previously useless ship actually viable?
If at the end of the rebalancing we are still seeing a couple of each ship in class being used well above others then has been worth while?
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JC Anderson
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1073
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Posted - 2014.04.10 14:00:00 -
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Been playing since 05 and IMHO the last 3 expansions have been some of the best updates EVE has seen. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
2354
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Posted - 2014.04.10 14:06:00 -
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After Incarna, we as a community told CCP that we would much rather see elements currently in the game be fixed rather than adding more broken elements. The game has been getting better and more popular since then.
We don't need a new race, 100 new star systems, some new ISK printer, or a goddamn dress maker. New ships and modules? Wonderful, keep them coming. As we have seen the last 4 years, properly developed small updates are much better than massive, work in progress updates. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
184
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Posted - 2014.04.10 16:48:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Mina Sebiestar wrote: monochrome tv Fixed I really miss the green and orange ones, tbh.
There were some awesome ascii games like, castle adventures, that looked perfect with orange hue.
When I tried it again in the more modern era........ grey. It was a downer.
Still love the game, though. It's hardcore.
"Castle Adventure".
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Zondrail
Formic Hive
24
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Posted - 2014.04.10 17:55:00 -
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These last few releases have done much more to improve my game experience than the much older and larger releases have. The current direction is far superior, in my opinion. |
Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
362
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Posted - 2014.04.10 18:02:00 -
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God I hope this isn't going to be another boring terrible thread.
Oh wait. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
Andall Combat Tournaments - on hiatus. Contact for more information. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
739
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Posted - 2014.04.10 19:03:00 -
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I would also like expansions that brought things like wormholes and incursions to New Eden on a regular basis.
Sadly its just not feasible so the next best thing on my list is fix broken sh!t, which is what they are trying to do.
On a semi-related note... does Iceland and/or CCP operate on the 40 hour work week? Not today spaghetti. |
Revman Zim
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
241
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Posted - 2014.04.10 19:17:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:Please dont jsut make this yet another tweak and balance expansation, this will be a third in a row! I honestly hope there are big stuff happening because i just cant sub again if there isnt I am willing to accept a one time transferring of now unneeded valuables that you may wish to be rid of. CCp damn near died trying to give people "Jesus Features" that they would then go on to forget about (sure, CCPs gonna get around to finishing COSMOS one of these days, i just know it). What we as a community told them is "fix the game, screw the big stuff" and that's what they've been doing. The game is soooo much better than it was in 2009 because of it. CCP should keep doing that. Oh how easily people forget the past. Well if thats your opinion then fine. But 3 expansions in a row of it and nothing decent otherwise is not good. and im sorry but when you played for many years, just tweaks doesnt really make the game feel any different or better. But... I dont want it to be different. What would you change and add in the expansion if you were Mr Seeseepee? Improve FW Overhaul 0.0 - people have been crying out for this for ages Bring in new content add more nullsec npc space
You do realize that the top 2 things on your list are fixes and NOT new content.
Dumba$$ |
Kyperion
228
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Posted - 2014.04.11 11:17:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:After Incarna, we as a community told CCP that we would much rather see elements currently in the game be fixed rather than adding more broken elements. The game has been getting better and more popular since then.
We don't need a new race, 100 new star systems, some new ISK printer, or a goddamn dress maker. New ships and modules? Wonderful, keep them coming. As we have seen the last 4 years, properly developed small updates are much better than massive, work in progress updates. No, we don't need 100 more systems.... we need TEN THOUSAND new systems...
This is a space game, space is supposed to be vast, and a expotential increase in nullsec systems would go a long way to curb the blue donut for a while, if not forever... you make it big enough and just like the empires of old, they just won't be able to project power far enough. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
2165
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Posted - 2014.04.11 11:28:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:After Incarna, we as a community told CCP that we would much rather see elements currently in the game be fixed rather than adding more broken elements. The game has been getting better and more popular since then.
We don't need a new race, 100 new star systems, some new ISK printer, or a goddamn dress maker. New ships and modules? Wonderful, keep them coming. As we have seen the last 4 years, properly developed small updates are much better than massive, work in progress updates. No, we don't need 100 more systems.... we need TEN THOUSAND new systems... This is a space game, space is supposed to be vast, and a expotential increase in nullsec systems would go a long way to curb the blue donut for a while, if not forever... you make it big enough and just like the empires of old, they just won't be able to project power far enough. You underestimate the lameness of the Goon. Add 10,000 systems the Goon will add 20 thousand more people to its already bloated coalition.
Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |
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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1559
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Posted - 2014.04.11 11:28:00 -
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90% of the people that threaten to leave if the next expansion "sucks" end up staying (except for the Incarna fallout. That was brutal). And for every one of the 10% that actually does leave for good, 2 more new players join within days, and a lot of them stay.
In short..... bye. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
S'No Flake
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
34
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Posted - 2014.04.11 12:15:00 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:Quote: Im all for 50% tweaks 50% new content..
Define what do you mean by new content. Rubicon: ghost sites, paint jobs, mobile structures, sisters ships, ISIS -> new content. Warp changes, ships rebalancing -> tweaks.
Ghost sites ... you can barely find... and you don't even have to scan them ... (Almost) useless paint jobs ('almost' because the police comet ... err... the cylons are cool) Mobile structures - probably the only good thing in the last years Sister ships - The BS sux big time, the frig and cruiser have cov ops but with delay ... wtf? ISIS ... ahh, the eye candy thing ... content ... right here! Warp changes .. kinda cool ... for frigs ... not so much when it takes 3 times more to move *** around in anything bigger instead of you know ... playing the game.... Ships re-balancing => new FOTM ... hurrah for content... |
lilol' me
Comply Or Die Retribution.
26
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Posted - 2014.04.11 12:22:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:90% of the people that threaten to leave if the next expansion "sucks" end up staying (except for the Incarna fallout. That was brutal). And for every one of the 10% that actually does leave for good, 2 more new players join within days, and a lot of them stay.
In short..... bye.
But your wrong, he 2 people that come on are alts or 2nd/3rd accounts of existing players! The new player base do not stay very long. Please check the stats for the past 5 years its either dipped or stayed the same on average. So i guess eve is bringing in 1000s of new players a year... errr not. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
649
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Posted - 2014.04.11 13:38:00 -
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Game of alts
we need is boxer expansion, better integration and functionality . http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1561
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Posted - 2014.04.11 18:46:00 -
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lilol' me wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:90% of the people that threaten to leave if the next expansion "sucks" end up staying (except for the Incarna fallout. That was brutal). And for every one of the 10% that actually does leave for good, 2 more new players join within days, and a lot of them stay.
In short..... bye. But your wrong, he 2 people that come on are alts or 2nd/3rd accounts of existing players! The new player base do not stay very long. Please check the stats for the past 5 years its either dipped or stayed the same on average. So i guess eve is bringing in 1000s of new players a year... errr not. proof or stfu - http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility32K ish players in 2009 peakish - 32K ish players in 2014 - Yep eve is growing!
I didn't say "new accounts", I said "new players". My statistic is accurate. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
887
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Posted - 2014.04.11 19:09:00 -
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Lets fix bounty hunting.
Would you like to know more? |
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