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D'onryu Shoqui
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Posted - 2006.05.07 20:26:00 -
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Guestimator II says 120,000 billion
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Kari Moltov
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Posted - 2006.05.07 20:35:00 -
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I'm always curious about this, including the Eve economy as a whole.
I have no doubt that this is an every expanding economy, although I'm also fairly sure that this game is fairly unique in that there is the ability to actually make the isk flow shrink. Given heavy periods of war I do wonder if the Eve economy actually suffers.
I also wonder if anyone has ever asked CCP to study the Eve economy. Some economists / university researchers would be very interested. A small self composed economic system working with detailed supporting data, I know if I was still studying Economics I would love to review the last three year's data!
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Haniblecter Teg
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Posted - 2006.05.07 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Sid You don't make money on insurance, therefor it's an ISK sink, especially when it runs out and you haven't blown up your ship.
This is why I don't normally insure.
Whoa.
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Benglada
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Posted - 2006.05.07 21:02:00 -
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Edited by: Benglada on 07/05/2006 21:02:52
Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui Guestimator II says 120,000 billion
lol my corp has more then 120b and i know several people with over 30b in cash.
Edit: saw it was thousends of billions, why the hell do people say thousends of billions as opposed to saying trillions, and thousends of millions as opposed to saying billions? ---------------------------
Originally by: Wrangler Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote..
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Galifardeua
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Posted - 2006.05.07 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Benglada Edit: saw it was thousends of billions, why the hell do people say thousends of billions as opposed to saying trillions, and thousends of millions as opposed to saying billions?
I know that the english way of expressing quantities is: million 1.000.000 billion 1.000.000.000 trillion 1.000.000.000.000
But in some other languages (i.e. spanish) the quantities are: million 1.000.000 thousand millions 1.000.000.000 billion 1.000.000.000.000 thousand billions 1.000.000.000.000.000 trillion 1.000.000.000.000.000.000
In other words, for some a billion is a million of millions, and a trillion is a million of billions. More info here in the Wikipedia.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2006.05.07 22:05:00 -
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200k subscribers(might be an old figure?) * 1billion isk per person(low average) = 200 trillion isk!
Also going by timecard prices 100mill isk = $15 Therefore the EVE economy is worth around $30,000,000 ................. |
dalman
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Posted - 2006.05.07 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Galifardeua
Originally by: Benglada Edit: saw it was thousends of billions, why the hell do people say thousends of billions as opposed to saying trillions, and thousends of millions as opposed to saying billions?
I know that the english way of expressing quantities is: million 1.000.000 billion 1.000.000.000 trillion 1.000.000.000.000
But in some other languages (i.e. spanish) the quantities are: million 1.000.000 thousand millions 1.000.000.000 billion 1.000.000.000.000 thousand billions 1.000.000.000.000.000 trillion 1.000.000.000.000.000.000
In other words, for some a billion is a million of millions, and a trillion is a million of billions. More info here in the Wikipedia.
Indeed. That wikipedia side about 'long scale' and 'short scale' explains it. And it is rly confusing as a big part of the playerbase comes from countries using the 'long scale' while EVE with english as language then use the 'short scale'.
On the topic, this would have to depend on if you mean 'value of all assets' or 'isk'.
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Arkanor
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Posted - 2006.05.07 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: fmercury
Originally by: Lord Sid This is a question for the devs. I'm curious roughly how much ISK is distributed in the eve-verse. I know it must constantly be changing.
Also how much is lost each day through ISK sinks? Like taxes, insurance, and clones?
Insurance is not an isk sink. In fact, it is quite the opposite
Lack of insurance is an isk sink. If there was no insurance and people lost ships at the same rate we'd see major deflation. ________________________________________________
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.05.07 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Galifardeua
Originally by: Benglada Edit: saw it was thousends of billions, why the hell do people say thousends of billions as opposed to saying trillions, and thousends of millions as opposed to saying billions?
I know that the english way of expressing quantities is: million 1.000.000 billion 1.000.000.000 trillion 1.000.000.000.000
But in some other languages (i.e. spanish) the quantities are: million 1.000.000 thousand millions 1.000.000.000 billion 1.000.000.000.000 thousand billions 1.000.000.000.000.000 trillion 1.000.000.000.000.000.000
Ahem. The AMERICAN way of expressing things is, 1billion = 1,000 million. In English, a billion is a million million. ________________________________________________
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.05.08 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
Originally by: lofty29
OooOooOoo wrangler got burned!
Nah, I was just proving a point, most posts giving any figures here are just uneducated guesses. Meaning people take numbers from nothing and post them, which doesn't really serve any purpose. If someone would post their reasoning it would probably be a guess at best, maybe an educated guess. But I doubt it, considering they would at least need a lot of statistics only available to CCP. And if you had access to those statistics, you'd probably know more exactly anyway.
No no, hes right, you did get burned.
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2006.05.08 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui Guestimator II says 120,000 billion
So, so low.
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mazzilliu
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Posted - 2006.05.08 00:22:00 -
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maximum value of isk is the number of characters created multiplied by the maximum possible value of the amount of ISK in the wallet on the database
minimum is 0
it is somewhere between there --------- Sig removed BEFORE the mods got to it bahaha -mazzilliu But we can play with it after. ~kieron that should be considered an exploit >[ -mazzilliu Exploit, what explot - Xorus |
Alessandra Grey
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Posted - 2006.05.08 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu maximum value of isk is the number of characters created multiplied by the maximum possible value of the amount of ISK in the wallet on the database
minimum is 0
it is somewhere between there
Thats actually wrong. Maximum amount of ISK is the number of characters created multiplied by the maximum amount of ISK you can have in the wallet, added to the maximum number of rats/npcs of value and their individual reward, added to the total amount of all mission bounties in the game, added to the amount of ISK offered by NPC market buyers for every item in every station in the game, and so on...there are a million other ways to compound the maximum amount of ISK eve can have in circulation, ergo, the thread is unanswerable. _______________________ ...Greetings, Starfighter. You have been recruited by the Star League to defend the frontier against Xur and the Kodan Armada... |
sableye
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Posted - 2006.05.08 00:38:00 -
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dam its got to be alot of isk
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.05.08 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: Alessandra Grey
Originally by: mazzilliu maximum value of isk is the number of characters created multiplied by the maximum possible value of the amount of ISK in the wallet on the database
minimum is 0
it is somewhere between there
Thats actually wrong. Maximum amount of ISK is the number of characters created multiplied by the maximum amount of ISK you can have in the wallet, added to the maximum number of rats/npcs of value and their individual reward, added to the total amount of all mission bounties in the game, added to the amount of ISK offered by NPC market buyers for every item in every station in the game, and so on...there are a million other ways to compound the maximum amount of ISK eve can have in circulation, ergo, the thread is unanswerable.
No its not.
Just run a database query at downtime.
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Alessandra Grey
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Posted - 2006.05.08 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Alessandra Grey
Originally by: mazzilliu maximum value of isk is the number of characters created multiplied by the maximum possible value of the amount of ISK in the wallet on the database
minimum is 0
it is somewhere between there
Thats actually wrong. Maximum amount of ISK is the number of characters created multiplied by the maximum amount of ISK you can have in the wallet, added to the maximum number of rats/npcs of value and their individual reward, added to the total amount of all mission bounties in the game, added to the amount of ISK offered by NPC market buyers for every item in every station in the game, and so on...there are a million other ways to compound the maximum amount of ISK eve can have in circulation, ergo, the thread is unanswerable.
No its not.
Just run a database query at downtime.
Depends on if the database query accounts for ISK in the wallets of suspended accounts, because technically, thats still valid money. _______________________ ...Greetings, Starfighter. You have been recruited by the Star League to defend the frontier against Xur and the Kodan Armada... |
mazzilliu
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Posted - 2006.05.08 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Alessandra Grey
Originally by: mazzilliu maximum value of isk is the number of characters created multiplied by the maximum possible value of the amount of ISK in the wallet on the database
minimum is 0
it is somewhere between there
Thats actually wrong. Maximum amount of ISK is the number of characters created multiplied by the maximum amount of ISK you can have in the wallet, added to the maximum number of rats/npcs of value and their individual reward, added to the total amount of all mission bounties in the game, added to the amount of ISK offered by NPC market buyers for every item in every station in the game, and so on...there are a million other ways to compound the maximum amount of ISK eve can have in circulation, ergo, the thread is unanswerable.
thats all unclaimed isk though. might as well tack on umclaimed insurance policies too?
the value in the wallet is the only real liquid asset of isk. everything else is "do this and you get X isk" --------- Sig removed BEFORE the mods got to it bahaha -mazzilliu But we can play with it after. ~kieron that should be considered an exploit >[ -mazzilliu Exploit, what explot - Xorus |
Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.05.08 10:10:00 -
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I'm just a minor Billionaire. 1,093,557,726.78 ISK in my wallet atm.
loaned out 145 mil to a friend...meh
~Eximius Josari, President of the E.A.R.T.H. Federation |
Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.05.08 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Arkanor
Originally by: fmercury
Originally by: Lord Sid This is a question for the devs. I'm curious roughly how much ISK is distributed in the eve-verse. I know it must constantly be changing.
Also how much is lost each day through ISK sinks? Like taxes, insurance, and clones?
Insurance is not an isk sink. In fact, it is quite the opposite
Lack of insurance is an isk sink. If there was no insurance and people lost ships at the same rate we'd see major deflation.
Why's that?
If you lose a ship even with no insurance, 40m ISK still gets added to the game.
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Splagada
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Posted - 2006.05.08 11:04:00 -
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there must be close to 50 billions on ebay, so i guess the real number is in the hundreds of trillions? one trillion would mean 1/20 of this ends on ebay ! -
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Plague Black
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Posted - 2006.05.08 11:27:00 -
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Quadrillion gazillion
/emote gets his white shirt on
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Lorette
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Posted - 2006.05.08 11:36:00 -
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An average of 1bill per account is probably what id start estimating at.
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Lord Sid
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Posted - 2006.05.08 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Sid on 08/05/2006 15:52:54
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Arkanor
Originally by: fmercury
Originally by: Lord Sid This is a question for the devs. I'm curious roughly how much ISK is distributed in the eve-verse. I know it must constantly be changing.
Also how much is lost each day through ISK sinks? Like taxes, insurance, and clones?
Insurance is not an isk sink. In fact, it is quite the opposite
Lack of insurance is an isk sink. If there was no insurance and people lost ships at the same rate we'd see major deflation.
Why's that?
If you lose a ship even with no insurance, 40m ISK still gets added to the game.
I see your point. That is ISK coming from nowhere essentially. Makes a good case for player run insurance with contracts. Which does fit this thread. But the thing you are not taking into consideration is that the minerals for that ship were essentially bought by CCP for a very discounted rate. That and 40m is BS and higher(don't get the newbie's hopes up).
I'm not looking for an exact number, maybe just 2 or 3 signifigant digits. -=Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds=- |
Psyrex
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Posted - 2006.05.08 16:01:00 -
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tell you what... everyone send me your ISK and i'll count it up.
Yes???? No????
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2006.05.08 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Sid Edited by: Lord Sid on 07/05/2006 17:59:08 It fits the exact idea of insurance.
You pay ISK to insure that you are compensated if your ship is blown in a time period. If your ship doesn't blow up you don't get that isk back.
You pay money for term life insurance and if you don't die in that term you, nor your family, will get that money.
Insurance is a scam RL and ingame. It's to protect(READ: take advantage of) people who are too short sighted to provide for themself.
Set your corp up right and pvp a lot and you do indeed make manoy not take a loss.
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MuffinsRevenger
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Posted - 2006.05.08 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Elisabeth Cant help myself the answer is "42"
This man speaks the truth
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Jobie Thickburger
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Posted - 2006.05.08 17:16:00 -
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I'd Have to go with the 200k (players) * 1bil = 200Tril Estimate as well. There's a ton of newbies (like Myself) who haven't seen 100mil yet, but on the otherhand, there's also a ton of people who have multi-billions in their personal wallet, as well as corps with thens of billions to spare, And just imagine how much a corp like Goonfleet/waffe has from taxes alone, Or an alliance like BoB.
Has anyone tried contacting the HAC cortel? Just take what they have handy, Multiply by 5, and you should get about the average....
Remember! 50.3% of all percentiles are made up!*
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.05.08 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Hllaxiu on 08/05/2006 17:36:01
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Ahem. The AMERICAN way of expressing things is, 1billion = 1,000 million. In English, a billion is a million million.
You might want to change the wikipedia article that says your government uses the short scale exclusively then...
More on topic (wild guessing thread?) I'd say many trillions. I bet everyone I personally know in game have more than one trillion in isk, so its got to be quite a bit more than that. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
Bristoll
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Posted - 2006.05.08 17:36:00 -
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Life begins @ 1,000,000,000 Iskies... There's a lot of us billionares out there.
I'd guess that total wealth in EVE would be in the 50-100 trillion mark pretty easily. And I'm not counting things like stations and what not... Don't mind me... I'm just a pigment of your imagination. |
Shaelin Corpius
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Posted - 2006.05.08 18:53:00 -
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I for one think it is alot less than the average postings have stated.
You have to remember that the billions that are made are passed around to make other people billionaires. So money was neither made nor destroyed.
I would prolly bet that it is around 30 trillion or less. The amount of true billions, talking isk in wallet at all times is a small portion of the eve economy.
I would easily state that %50-60 of eve accounts hold 200m or less each. About %20-30 hold between 200m-2b. And %10 hold 2b+ at all times.
That sounds a bit more reasonable. And the economic inflation grows everday.
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