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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2011.11.14 18:47:00 -
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seany1212 wrote:Kalmanaka wrote:Eve is based on conflict. Whether it's fighting in ships, scamming, or competing in the market, it's conflict that makes the game what it is. Anything done to remove conflict, or make it possible to avoid conflict, ruins the game. Whats worse is that if you teach new players that they should be upset at a war, you're doing nothing but ruining the entire game experience for them. Instead of being excited at the idea of combat, they get all emo and whine about it. Instead of the game being fun, it brings misery and disappointment.
There's a thousand games out there with no real loss. A thousand games where you can die and magically reappear with all your stuff. Turning Eve into one of those games will destroy the entire concept of a "cold, dark, harsh place." I think with the recent changes to wardec immunity rules, Eve finally crossed that line where it can no longer claim to be a cold, dark, harsh place. This and only this. The uni is indeed full of carebears, and will probably grow fuller of them due to a virtually guaranteed Dec-shield, they have fielded rather large fleets no different to many null sec alliances and along with news that there CEO plays killboard padding games despite the fact they're supposed to be commited to newbie training makes me wonder how many active noobs they train. EVE is what a single person makes of it, if they're going to stick around they'll most likely do it at there own conclusion. I know many who've never been through eve uni and to be honest they're probably better players for it as they discovered themselves how to play their game, not told how to Could not agree more with Kalmanaka and Seany1212.
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Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2011.11.14 18:56:00 -
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Look Poetic. I'm sorry that the CEO of Eve University never called you back after that night of drunken sex.
He's just not that into you. |
Iosue
UV Heavy Industries STR8NGE BREW
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Posted - 2011.11.14 19:05:00 -
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Here's an idea, why don't you start your own University instead of continually ragging on EUNI?? That way you can show all of New Eden how a real teaching organization should be run.
TLDR; put up or shut up.
That is all. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2011.11.15 04:09:00 -
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Iosue wrote:Here's an idea, why don't you start your own University instead of continually ragging on EUNI?? That way you can show all of New Eden how a real teaching organization should be run. Or they can finally decide if they want to be a carebear organization, harbouring year-old mission and incursion runners ... of if they'd like to actually be a training organization. I support the latter, I do not support the former.
My work is done.
Most posts, in recent weeks, on the forums and in blogs that discuss CCP's diminishing of PvP in highsec now also mention E-Uni in the same breath. That's a win in my books. People connect the two. As it should be.
As quick example: http://madhaberdashers.wordpress.com/2011/11/14/blog-banter-30-finally-our-long-interstellar-nightmare-is-over/
What of the 1000 dedicated, long-time industrialist carebears still in the Uni? (Only 500 members are teachers, mentors and students.) The majority membership in the Uni has no role whatsoever in teaching. They are miners and haulers and mission runners, running with 500M - 1B ISK incursion ships. Hardly the trappings of a newbie organization.
I think it's about time the Uni returned to their roots, became a teaching corporation again. A thousand current Unistas need to be kicked to the curb and form into corporations that serve their specific purpose. A training corporation (if that is what the Uni really wants to be) is not the place for them. EVE Online: Incarna - New Coke EVE Online: Winter Expansion - Coke Classic |
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
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Posted - 2011.11.15 04:12:00 -
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Waa waaa some people play the game differently than me! Make them stop CCP! |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2011.11.15 04:16:00 -
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Teamosil wrote:Waa waaa some people play the game differently than me! Make them stop CCP! People can play the game however they choose. The Uni, though, does not get to lobby CCP for highsec/PvP changes on the pretense that they are a training organization, when any imbecile who examines their membership can see that ~1000 members are very much not trainees, nor do they participate in training. EVE Online: Incarna - New Coke EVE Online: Winter Expansion - Coke Classic |
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
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Posted - 2011.11.15 04:34:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:People can play the game however they choose. The Uni, though, does not get to lobby CCP for highsec/PvP changes on the pretense that they are a training organization, when any imbecile who examines their membership can see that ~1000 members are very much not trainees, nor do they participate in training.
If you honestly believe that CCP misunderstands what Eve-U is about, you've certainly more than done your part to clear that up for them. It seems to me like you're not just interested in alerting CCP to what you believe to be misrepresentation. I'm sure that CCP knows exactly what Eve-U is like. They let folks stick around and carebear or whatever else after they aren't really in training anymore. That's no secret. I don't think Eve-U pretends otherwise, do they? Training and providing a welcoming environment for new players is their angle, that doesn't mean that it is like unethical to let those players hang around longer if they want. If you think they're like tricking CCP into believing that they are exclusively about training new players and that that gives them some undue influence, alerting CCP to your views should suffice, no?
As I side note, I just read through your circumnavigation blog posts. Good stuff. I'm always on the wormhole/null fence, so it was a good perspective. |
Jovan Geldon
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
166
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Posted - 2011.11.15 04:40:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:This will be my last Uni post for quite awhile
If only |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
293
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Posted - 2011.11.15 05:31:00 -
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Teamosil wrote: I don't think Eve-U pretends otherwise, do they? Sure they do. Scroll up through this thread, or other threads. They complain about anyone wanting to "attack a newbie corporation", or what pleasure do people get "wardeccing a training corporation." They actively further the notion that they are a corporation full of newbies/trainees. That is most definitely not the case. They lobby CCP on the pretense that by helping the Uni they are helping newbies. In fact newbies are a minority in the Uni, what is being protected are ~1000 industrialists and mission runners. Again, 500M-1B ISK ships are hardly indicative of a newbie corporation.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.15 05:38:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Elyssa MacLeod wrote:pics or it didnt happen O.o Here. :P
yeah cause you taking a pic of youself totally proves you play,,,
you couldnt have logged in for the purpose of that pic or anything lol
hey wait its not even a pic, just a blog lol https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2011.11.15 05:42:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Elyssa MacLeod wrote:pics or it didnt happen O.o Here. :P yeah cause you taking a pic of youself totally proves you play,,, you couldnt have logged in for the purpose of that pic or anything lol There is a pic with a lot of dots. So many dots, I must play. :)
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Elyssa MacLeod
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.15 05:50:00 -
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Michael Holmes Holmes wrote:This is yet another thread that I fail to understand.
Yeah, lets just start whining about a corp that trains new players in a environment that might just make them want to play the game a bit longer.
I mean, heavens forbid, why would we ever want new players to feel like they have anything to contribute to the game other than a steady supply of tears for gankers. Why would you ever want new players to feel welcome when we can have all these bittervets complain about how useless they are.
These posts are getting more and more boring.
Thats what Poetic does. Im fairly certain he/she doesnt actually play the game for all the time spent on the forum qqing about EVE Uni.
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Elyssa MacLeod wrote:pics or it didnt happen O.o Here. :P yeah cause you taking a pic of youself totally proves you play,,, you couldnt have logged in for the purpose of that pic or anything lol There is a pic with a lot of dots. So many dots, I must play. :)
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/buddahcjcc/kills.png
hey look, picture, lots of dots, must mean I logged in right?
nope. GM Homonoia: Suicide ganks are a valid and viable tactic in EVE.
Where is your God now carebear? |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2011.11.15 05:55:00 -
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Elyssa MacLeod wrote:hey look, picture, lots of dots, must mean I logged in right? A lot of them are yellow. So, yes.
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Elyssa MacLeod
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2011.11.15 06:05:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Elyssa MacLeod wrote:hey look, picture, lots of dots, must mean I logged in right? A lot of them are yellow. So, yes.
Funny given I got it from Google and uploaded it to a photobucket account.
your evidence proves nothing. Still GM Homonoia: Suicide ganks are a valid and viable tactic in EVE.
Where is your God now carebear? |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
294
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Posted - 2011.11.15 06:08:00 -
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Elyssa MacLeod wrote:Funny given I got it from Google and uploaded it to a photobucket account. vOv
Feel free to think that I don't play. :P Your personal fascination with my logged in hours has nothing at all to do with my fascination with the integrity of this game.
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Elyssa MacLeod
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2011.11.15 06:09:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Elyssa MacLeod wrote:Funny given I got it from Google and uploaded it to a photobucket account. vOv Feel free to think that I don't play. :P Your personal fascination with my logged in hours has nothing at all to do with my fascination with the integrity of this game.
Funny you felt you had to try and prove it yourself though. Well more telling than funny. GM Homonoia: Suicide ganks are a valid and viable tactic in EVE.
Where is your God now carebear? |
Mara Villoso
Big Box
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Posted - 2011.11.15 16:27:00 -
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You've become quite boring. The endless threads approach only works if other people jump on the band wagon. You're just diluting your message and destroying your "brand."
Instead of whining, how about you start Stanziel University? All the energy you put into this could be better used to train new players the "right" way.
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
394
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:44:00 -
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Less Pox-like. EVE University is making some positive changes. Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.02 04:13:00 -
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No organization in EVE should get special in-game advantages from CCP (whether it's goons because Soundwave is a goon or whether it's EVEUni because CCP thinks they help retain players or whatever.)
As long as that line isn't crossed (or they're not cheating exploit-abusers like AHARM) then calling out corps is lame. If you don't like how EVEUni works, compete with them and do it better. |
Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
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Posted - 2011.12.03 01:06:00 -
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When I was a young and budding newb, as opposed to the older, cynical newb I am now... I thought it would be smart to join E-UNI to learn the game.
I was taught:
1. Don't use rigs on your rifter because it looks bad on a killboard when you die. 2. Don't leave station during war unless you're in a blob, because it looks bad on a killboard when you die. 3. If your killboard looks bad, bad things happen. 4. When you're so paranoid that you treat everyone like a spai, calling yourself a newb instruction corp and inviting the world to join isn't exactly productive. 5. Cheetahs are the most expensive ship you can possibly fly and must be defended at all costs.
Then I went out on an op: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvVGtD8-HAU
...and I learned what it's like to be WTF podded through no fault of your own. (FC warped us to 0 on a SB blasting Domi) I learned that one guy could kill 100 if it's an E-UNI blob.
Later I would find myself on the other side of the coin. I learned that E-UNI pilots cry floods of tears and get all bent out of shape when they think your blue for some stupid reason. I learned that they like to throw threats around and freak out over overview glitches instead of saying ****-it, it's a game.
"LAST CHANCE!!!! LAST CHANCE!!!!"
The next day I learned that a 40 man gang can take on 200 E-UNI pilots and wipe them out when they came back to teach us a lesson. I also learned that E-UNI has unlimited man-power and that this is their one and only asset when two more fleets of similar size arrived to do what 200 of them couldn't....make us sit in the station and laugh at them (previously we were blowing them up and laughing).
I learned that sitting there like dumbshits on the gate, relying on 40% ewar composition, doesn't help you when you're being sniped from 100k.
All in all, I'd say that E-UNI has taught me a lot and provided me with many lols. EvE simply wouldn't be the same place without them. |
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Weiland Taur
Taur Industries
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Posted - 2011.12.04 02:58:00 -
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Can you explain in detail where the "Carebear" touched you and how it learned this nefarious behavior from Eve Uni?
On a serious note since this last expansion seems to be mainly to the benefit of gankers and gun miners, both high and null sec, exactly what is the damage all these carebears are doing? They seem to be providing appropriate targets for ganking. They cry sufficiently. Do you want them to call you back after a gank? Start paying for the Gank? Your reliance on the "DOOM TO THE CAREBEAR" soap box is getting not only stale but downright boring.
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First Lieutenant Dan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2011.12.04 03:55:00 -
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I can ruin this thread for you if you guys wish my expertise on the matter to be brought to light. |
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