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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
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Posted - 2014.05.10 05:46:00 -
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Far Wanderer wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote:This is some Gevlon-level spin (snip) Who is Gevlon? Elizabeth Norn wrote:I really am wasting my breath though, when you can avoid questions from Hexxx and RAW23 like that you must have some seriously devoted investors. They're some good people, and a pleasure to do business with.
Gevlon is a trader who really doesn't like Goons and comes up with colourful ways to warp reality to his own narrative. When I said devoted, I meant like a cultist is to their leader - feel free to quote that .
All this fuss over 500m is pretty ridiculous though, I've made that in a single click. I predict that the full reserve fluff will be dropped soon, with the spin being that it was limiting growth and soon after the amount of investor slots/ISK will be increased.
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RAW23
793
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Posted - 2014.05.10 05:54:00 -
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Koniforous wrote:She apparently likes the publicity, and not without grace: While my banking policies are exceptionally detailed, I receive much less activity on my thread, and we constantly see BFAR at the top of forums.
I really wouldn't worry too much about being at the top of the forum. All bad offering end up there for a while and I can assure you that if you want to grow as a business being steady and reliable is the way, not trying to court controversy. If all you want is to deal in pocket change then a little notoriety may serve as a compensation for limited business success but if you want to actually be able to exploit the investment market as a valuable source of isk for major business ventures then the people you need to appeal to and keep happy are not those who will invest in something like Far Wanderer's offering just because it is more visible. Those kinds of investors tend not to have that much isk to invest or, if they do they tend not to have it for very long
There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
Far Wanderer
Bank of Far
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Posted - 2014.05.10 06:41:00 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:Gevlon is a trader who really doesn't like Goons and comes up with colourful ways to warp reality to his own narrative. Thank you for answering our question. I really am wasting my breath though, when you can avoid questions from Hexxx and RAW23 like that you must have some seriously devoted investors. --Elizabeth Norn |
Hexxx
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2014.05.10 11:46:00 -
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Far Wanderer wrote:
Detailing how, when and why we sometimes bend or break our own rules in order to meet our commitment to generate a return for our customers seems a bit much.
Which is to say the full description of how a bank works doesn't need to be written out.
And in fact it shouldn't. EvE is all about risk.
This is why we like our customers so much, because they're willing to take that risk.
This sums things up fairly well. |
RAW23
798
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Posted - 2014.05.10 12:17:00 -
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Hexxx wrote:Far Wanderer wrote:
Detailing how, when and why we sometimes bend or break our own rules in order to meet our commitment to generate a return for our customers seems a bit much.
Which is to say the full description of how a bank works doesn't need to be written out.
And in fact it shouldn't. EvE is all about risk.
This is why we like our customers so much, because they're willing to take that risk.
This sums things up fairly well.
Not sure if you are endorsing this position or not There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
143
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Posted - 2014.05.10 14:23:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:Hexxx wrote:Far Wanderer wrote:
Detailing how, when and why we sometimes bend or break our own rules in order to meet our commitment to generate a return for our customers seems a bit much.
Which is to say the full description of how a bank works doesn't need to be written out.
And in fact it shouldn't. EvE is all about risk.
This is why we like our customers so much, because they're willing to take that risk.
This sums things up fairly well. Not sure if you are endorsing this position or not
I believe the summary is "I AM GOING TO ROB YOU" |
Hexxx
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
62
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:11:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:Hexxx wrote:Far Wanderer wrote:
Detailing how, when and why we sometimes bend or break our own rules in order to meet our commitment to generate a return for our customers seems a bit much.
Which is to say the full description of how a bank works doesn't need to be written out.
And in fact it shouldn't. EvE is all about risk.
This is why we like our customers so much, because they're willing to take that risk.
This sums things up fairly well. Not sure if you are endorsing this position or not
Oh, I'm not.
He's basically said he doesn't follow his own rules because he can't be bothered to. There are other snips that detail suspicion on his motives and intent. Standard stuff easily referenced in the event of an expansion. In the future, should he expand, this particular snip summarizes his management style quite well to potential investors.
This thread is done. |
RAW23
798
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:43:00 -
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Hexxx wrote:RAW23 wrote:Hexxx wrote:Far Wanderer wrote:
Detailing how, when and why we sometimes bend or break our own rules in order to meet our commitment to generate a return for our customers seems a bit much.
Which is to say the full description of how a bank works doesn't need to be written out.
And in fact it shouldn't. EvE is all about risk.
This is why we like our customers so much, because they're willing to take that risk.
This sums things up fairly well. Not sure if you are endorsing this position or not Oh, I'm not. He's basically said he doesn't follow his own rules because he can't be bothered to. There are other snips that detail suspicion on his motives and intent. Standard stuff easily referenced in the event of an expansion. In the future, should he expand, this particular snip summarizes his management style quite well to potential investors. This thread is done.
Phew - I was really hoping that was what you meant!
I thought I remembered from a conversation years ago you endorsing a slightly 'imperialist' political view and was wondering if that had merged somehow with your deep knowledge of the history of banking to birth the unholy offspring of patrician/dictatorial investments
There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
Far Wanderer
Bank of Far
60
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:54:00 -
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Interesting bit of history.
I really am wasting my breath though, when you can avoid questions from Hexxx and RAW23 like that you must have some seriously devoted investors. --Elizabeth Norn |
RAW23
799
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Posted - 2014.05.10 16:05:00 -
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Far Wanderer wrote:Interesting bit of history.
That thread was just one of the many in the EBANK closure saga. If memory serves just the main threads amounted to over 200 pages of discussion. Whilst I can't recommend spending the days it would take to read them all you might find them worth glancing through as they provide a record of some of the approaches to investing that have led MD to where it is today. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
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Far Wanderer
Bank of Far
60
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Posted - 2014.05.10 18:15:00 -
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Hexxx wrote:This thread is done. Oh not at all, not at all.
We're just getting started. I really am wasting my breath though, when you can avoid questions from Hexxx and RAW23 like that you must have some seriously devoted investors. --Elizabeth Norn |
Naya Sky
Serra Industries
26
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Posted - 2014.05.15 23:07:00 -
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Far Wanderer wrote:Hexxx wrote:This thread is done. Oh not at all, not at all. We're just getting started.
Contrary to your belief there is in fact such a thing as bad publicity here on MD. People are not stupid and nobody will invest any serious amount of ISK in your 'operation'. I don't know what your end goal is but you are not fooling anyone with your happy attitude and monthly reports, which by the way are not earning you any 'MD rep points'. What you are doing is running some role-playing 'bank' (which is not a bank at all as others have pointed out) with trivial amounts of ISK.
In addition to all this you have proven to be untrustworthy, you break your own rules when it suits you. You ignore valid questions and concerns and you troll reputable MD posters.
So again, what is your end goal?
1.) If you are trying to scam people then go ahead and continue what you are doing. I'm sure there are a bunch of other people or your alts who will be more than happy to give you their 100M. Just don't get your hopes up too much - you won't get billions out of this.
2.) If you are trying to run a legitimate operation - why don't you stop acting like a scammer? A good start is to actually talk to people who are asking you valid questions and stop ignoring them. Although you've dug yourself quite a big hole already. |
Far Wanderer
Bank of Far
64
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Posted - 2014.05.16 06:19:00 -
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Naya is a pretty name.
Naya Sky wrote: Contrary to your belief there is in fact such a thing as bad publicity here on MD. The word "publicity" doesn't show up in the thread until the 116th post.
For those just tuning in: we never said, "There is no such thing as bad publicity on MD."
Your statement would be better written as, "Bad publicity can be bad for business on MD. Don't discount it. Better yet, don't court it."
Naya Sky wrote: What you are doing is running some role-playing 'bank' (which is not a bank at all as others have pointed out) with trivial amounts of ISK. Your logic runs counter to itself: you call for us to answer people's questions, which implies we're a financial institution, but in the same breath declare we're not a financial institution because roleplaying.
Which is it? I really am wasting my breath though, when you can avoid questions from Hexxx and RAW23 like that you must have some seriously devoted investors. --Elizabeth Norn |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
176
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Posted - 2014.05.16 16:11:00 -
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There is no contradiction in her statements. I will unpack them slowly for you.
1. You are not actually a bank.
2. If you want people to take you seriously, answer serious questions.
Getting people to take you seriously would probably also involve turning your business model into a real bank, but the two statements are not contradictory. |
Far Wanderer
Bank of Far
64
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Posted - 2014.05.16 16:44:00 -
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Well, Naya? I really am wasting my breath though, when you can avoid questions from Hexxx and RAW23 like that you must have some seriously devoted investors. --Elizabeth Norn |
Naya Sky
Serra Industries
28
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Posted - 2014.05.16 22:23:00 -
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Far Wanderer wrote:Your statement would be better written as, "Bad publicity can be bad for business on MD. Don't discount it. Better yet, don't court it."
Sorry for not expressing my opinion in a more poetic way.
Far Wanderer wrote:Your logic runs counter to itself: you call for us to answer people's questions, which implies we're a financial institution
So because I tell you to answer questions that implies that you are a financial institution? Are you serious?
If a teacher tells a student to answer questions, does that make the student a financial institution? Or in any way validate his claims - whatever they may be?
Far Wanderer wrote:but in the same breath declare we're not a financial institution because roleplaying.Which is it?
Role-playing has nothing to do with it. It's because of your business model.
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Far Wanderer
Bank of Far
64
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Posted - 2014.05.17 01:04:00 -
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Hello Naya,
Naya Sky wrote: Sorry for not expressing my opinion in a more poetic way. There's no need to apologize.
Naya Sky wrote: So because I tell you to answer questions that implies that you are a financial institution? We think so, certainly.
Why would you ask questions about the business model of a corp that's, by your own description, roleplaying a bank as opposed to running a bank?
Naya Sky wrote: If a teacher tells a student to answer questions, does that make the student a financial institution? Or in any way validate his claims - whatever they may be? Your question implies a level of authority exists on MD that doesn't actually exist.
We're all equals here.
Naya Sky wrote:Role-playing has nothing to do with it. It's because of your business model. We're really not sure why you brought up the point about roleplaying, then.
The remainder of your statement suggests we need to change our business model.
We'll point out that we have five customers (for which it was our goal to acquire, over time) and five on a wait list. If we're maxed out on customers, the customers are receiving their payouts on time and their are no complaints beyond one customer suggesting we modify our terms as we go along (based on feedback and experience running the operation), then how does it follow we need to change our model?
The preceding paragraph should answer your question, "What's your end goal?" I.e., our goal is to do what we set out to do.
It's our observation that one of the traits of MD is its ability to outthink itself.
I really am wasting my breath though, when you can avoid questions from Hexxx and RAW23 like that you must have some seriously devoted investors. --Elizabeth Norn |
RAW23
809
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Posted - 2014.05.17 09:36:00 -
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@Naya - The business model makes sense now and we can see that he wasn't roleplaying. The reason it looked like he was was just that he had been lying about what he was doing with the isk and breaching the security procedures he claimed to have put in place. The OP eventually admitted that he is just running a normal trade operation after several weeks of evasion so the issue now is quite simple: the OP is dishonest, has openly stated that he does not feel bound to act on commitments he makes in public and, thus, cannot be trusted. But at least he came to see that his publicly stated business plan was nonsensical. So he's got that going for him.
@OP - You keep trying to analyse people's 'logic'. As someone who works with logic for a living let me say that what you are using is 'sophistic reasoning' not logic. The holes in your arguments are big enough to drive a coach and horses through and your attempts to misrepresent those who ask you questions are transparently unconvincing. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
Far Wanderer
Bank of Far
64
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Posted - 2014.05.17 17:36:00 -
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Naya? I really am wasting my breath though, when you can avoid questions from Hexxx and RAW23 like that you must have some seriously devoted investors. --Elizabeth Norn |
Far Wanderer
Bank of Far
67
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Posted - 2014.05.27 04:03:00 -
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Far Wanderer wrote:Koniforous wrote: Dropping the full reserve policy, entirely, is probably the best choice here. You can still allow yourself to use a full reserve insurance division, but without a policy promise, you are not forced to maintain it or modify its uses. Let me think on it. After thinking on it, we've decided to make some changes to section 4 of the Prospectus.
It makes no sense to label it "Deposit Insurance" in the Prospectus, then refer to it as a "Reserve" in the thread and treat it as such while going about our business.
A Reserve's function is to allow for instant processing of withdrawal requests, protect against a run on the bank and allow for the bank to capitalize on market opportunities as they occur.
It can't do these things and also act as insurance against loss of deposits on the market.
Thus, section 4 is revised from this:
Quote:4. DEPOSIT INSURANCE 4.1 BFAR maintains a separate wallet division with an ISK ballance equal to the sum total of all customer deposits. 4.2 BFAR does not service more accounts than it is capable of insuring with this wallet division.
to this: Quote:4. RESERVE 4.1 BFAR maintains a separate wallet division with an ISK ballance equal to the sum total of all customer deposits.
We've made some additional changes to Sections 5 and 7 to better reflect our current status vis-a-vis the number of customer accounts we service and to allow for possible expansion of our activities and customer base (hopefully in July or August of this year). I really am wasting my breath though, when you can avoid questions from Hexxx and RAW23 like that you must have some seriously devoted investors. --Elizabeth Norn |
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RAW23
819
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Posted - 2014.05.27 04:51:00 -
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I like your new terms:
Far Wanderer wrote:7.2 BFAR reserves the right to revise or delete the terms of the Prospectus at any time. 7.3 In the event of extraordinary circumstances, BFAR reserves the right to ignore the terms of the Prospectus.
Or in plainer langauge:
Quote: Nothing I say can be relied upon and I am free to ignore any of the conditions you thought you were investing under, as I have done in the past. I know I have said I will pay you back but please note that I am free to ignore that obligation if I choose to do so.
Edit
Quote: Q. Will BFAR ever allow deposits beyond one hundred million ISK? A. REVISED 5/26/2014: at this time BFAR is looking into the possibility of a July or August expansion based on new account types.
And so it begins. A change from 'I will never take any more deposits' to 'I will take as many deposits as I like and anyone who formed a risk assessment on the basis of my previous claims of limited exposure can go hang'.
As I said some time ago, investments such as this one simply cannot be pursued on a rational basis as it is impossible to form a risk assessment involving someone who feels no obligation to do what they had said they would. Anyone who invests in such a scheme is investing irrationally and any success they have can only be attributed to luck rather than judgement. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
Far Wanderer
Bank of Far
67
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Posted - 2014.05.27 05:46:00 -
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For nobody else gave me a thrill With all your faults, I love you still It had to be you, wonderful you It had to be you
Frank Sinatra - It Had To Be You
RAW23, That song spun up in my mind as soon as I read your post.
Let's have some fun, shall we?
RAW23 wrote:Or in plainer langauge: Quote: Nothing I say can be relied upon and I am free to ignore any of the conditions you thought you were investing under, as I have done in the past. I know I have said I will pay you back but please note that I am free to ignore that obligation if I choose to do so.
That about sums it up.
RAW23 wrote: A change from 'I will never take any more deposits' to 'I will take as many deposits as I like and anyone who formed a risk assessment on the basis of my previous claims of limited exposure can go hang'. Ooh, now you're making things up.
Anyone who made the decision ("formed a risk assessment" is just too wordy) to deposit funds with BFAR can withdraw those same funds.
Further, the type of expansion and the rate of same (read: number of additional accounts we take on) has yet to be determined.
We have the remainder of May, June and (likely) July to generate returns for our customers, consider our comfort level and our market position, and ponder just how we'd like to expand while preserving a consistent rate of return for our First Five accounts.
It's fine for you to assume we'll go with an unlimited expansion--we're not in charge of what you think.
But please, don't put words in our mouth.
RAW23 wrote:As I said some time ago, investments such as this one simply cannot be pursued on a rational basis as it is impossible to form a risk assessment involving someone who feels no obligation to do what they had said they would. That last part is subjective. It's a conclusion you've made, certainly, but it's still too soon for you--or anyone--to say what our exact pattern of deviation is.
In fact, we're still figuring it out ourselves. As we progress we'll continue to modify the terms of the Prospectus to suit our play/banking style.
RAW23 wrote:Anyone who invests in such a scheme is investing irrationally and any success they have can only be attributed to luck rather than judgement. You have a gift for turning unimaginative thinking into pretty sentences. Regardless, we were advised recently to sift through the dross to find the golden grains, so we'll listen to what you have to say.
Regarding your statement: anyone who makes a deposit is taking a risk. We look forward to continued business with capsuleers who're willing to take risks and have ISK sitting in their wallets not doing anything to help grow their ISK pile higher.
Speaking of business: we're estimating an ROI in the range of 150m to 200m for the month of May.
Things may yet turn sour, but that's OK. April taught us that we hate paying out the minimum, but it's better to pay it out than to go through herculean efforts (and deviate in the most significant way we could from the Prospectus) in order to generate a higher return. I really am wasting my breath though, when you can avoid questions from Hexxx and RAW23 like that you must have some seriously devoted investors. --Elizabeth Norn |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
282
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Posted - 2014.05.27 05:47:00 -
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Far Wanderer wrote:[quote=Far Wanderer]A Reserve's function is to allow for instant processing of withdrawal requests, protect against a run on the bank and allow for the bank to capitalize on market opportunities as they occur.
It can't do these things and also act as insurance against loss of deposits on the market.
It also can't allow for instant processing of withdrawal requests or protect against a run on the bank if it is being used to capitalize on market opportunities as they occur (you know, like all of a trader's ISK should be if they want it to grow).
Although as I've said before, you wouldn't have to worry about withdrawals, a run or paying interest if you simply didn't accept other people's ISK, at least you admit to using it now. I know you like to make up your own rules, but just call this an uncollateralized bond already. .
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Far Wanderer
Bank of Far
67
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Posted - 2014.05.27 05:53:00 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:[quote=Far Wanderer][quote=Far Wanderer]A Reserve's function is to allow for instant processing of withdrawal requests, protect against a run on the bank and allow for the bank to capitalize on market opportunities as they occur. Not necessarily.
We limit withdrawals to the first ten days of the month.
From the 11th to the end of the month, their exists a window of time for us to utilize the Reserve if and only if we see something that's too good to pass up.
Now for the month of May that hasn't been the case.
We do like talking about when we deviate from the Prospectus, so if we do utilize the Reserve we'll likely post something about it here. I really am wasting my breath though, when you can avoid questions from Hexxx and RAW23 like that you must have some seriously devoted investors. --Elizabeth Norn |
Koniforous
Tauren Transit
66
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Posted - 2014.05.27 13:28:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:I like your new terms: Far Wanderer wrote:7.2 BFAR reserves the right to revise or delete the terms of the Prospectus at any time. 7.3 In the event of extraordinary circumstances, BFAR reserves the right to ignore the terms of the Prospectus. Or in plainer langauge: Quote: Nothing I say can be relied upon and I am free to ignore any of the conditions you thought you were investing under, as I have done in the past. I know I have said I will pay you back but please note that I am free to ignore that obligation if I choose to do so.
Edit Quote: Q. Will BFAR ever allow deposits beyond one hundred million ISK? A. REVISED 5/26/2014: at this time BFAR is looking into the possibility of a July or August expansion based on new account types.
And so it begins. A change from 'I will never take any more deposits' to 'I will take as many deposits as I like and anyone who formed a risk assessment on the basis of my previous claims of limited exposure can go hang'. As I said some time ago, investments such as this one simply cannot be pursued on a rational basis as it is impossible to form a risk assessment involving someone who feels no obligation to do what they had said they would. Anyone who invests in such a scheme is investing irrationally and any success they have can only be attributed to luck rather than judgement.
I'm glad to see you're taking some of my advice, Far. I really think you should delete sections 7.2 and 7.3, though. Try to think of the circumstances that would warrant these sections, and then clarify the steps you would take during those circumstances, and place them in their own sections. There's no real point in having a prospectus if you have a section that says the prospectus might be ignored, changed and/or deleted at anytime. I like to issue 30 day notices for any changes to my policies, because it's what I would appreciate if someone else had my funds. Consider changing 7.2 to reflect some sort of time frame for changes to take effect so that clients who dislike the changes have an opportunity to withdraw their funds before those changes happen. Anytime you think of something new that might invoke sections 7.2 and 7.3, put it and BFAR's response in your prospectus.
With only ~60mil more to go before I start seeing a profit from your bank, I hope I've got luck on my side here, as RAW puts it.
Goodluck with your expansions. I hope you can develop a structure for those new accounts that is both attractive to investors and does not draw further RAWing of your thread. TAUTX Bank: 12.5% of profits paid to investors monthly. More info: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=322582&find=unread |
Scion Lex
Tungsten Carbonide Asset Management
66
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Posted - 2014.05.28 23:12:00 -
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Far Wanderer wrote:Scion Lex wrote:Yet, I find that the most successful organizations are the one that remember this is a game. A place I personally come to relax and enjoy. I don't want grind just to maintain a presence and I don't want my friends to either. This is the same philosophy we have taken with the game. It governs our banking activities and our play style in general. We know from experience how much of an enjoyment killer it is to grind out ISK in order to satisfy customers and other commitments, and that's not something we're interested in repeating. Scion Lex wrote:Another thing that effected my investment style was when I realized I wasn't going anywhere. I have loved and hated this damn game for 8 yrs. I finally just admitted this was my main hobby and started thinking long term. 5 yr plan and all. A true five year plan? Color us curious (and impressed). By any chance do you review your plan on a yearly basis, and have you made any significant revisions since you've been underway?
Pls don't be impressed. Like any adult I have hobbies im passionate about. I simply don't suffer from a short-timer's mentality. I understand how much energy I am willing to spend here and I am willing to spend that amount of energy/time/money until I die. Therefore, it only made since to make a plan. I feel the same way about sharp shooting, mountain bikes, strippers and drinking.....you should always have a plan when doing any of these things. |
Far Wanderer
Bank of Far
67
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Posted - 2014.05.29 05:54:00 -
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Scion Lex wrote: I feel the same way about sharp shooting, mountain bikes, strippers and drinking.....you should always have a plan when doing any of these things. I can't speak all that much to sharp shooting, mountain bikes or strippers, but I agree with you 100% on drinking.
My New Year's Resolution a few years back was to visit the neighborhood bar every day for a calendar year.
Best drinking plan I ever made.
I really am wasting my breath though, when you can avoid questions from Hexxx and RAW23 like that you must have some seriously devoted investors. --Elizabeth Norn |
Far Wanderer
Bank of Far
68
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Posted - 2014.06.04 05:08:00 -
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What are your thoughts on savings accounts in EvE?
What sort of monthly interest rate would you want?
What minimum amount would you want to invest to make it worth your while?
Would a cap on deposits (but not accrued interest) turn you off?
Do you plan to play the game long enough for compound interest to be something you would consider taking advantage of? I really am wasting my breath though, when you can avoid questions from Hexxx and RAW23 like that you must have some seriously devoted investors. --Elizabeth Norn |
Lord LazyGhost
The Bastards The Bastards.
356
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Posted - 2014.06.04 14:00:00 -
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Far Wanderer wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:I think this is a fabulous idea, and you should open up additional investment. Thank you for the compliment and the suggestion, Erotica 1. That's very nice of you to say.
well as soon as you see Erotica saying its a good idea in a Post. your feet should be smoking the speed you should be running in the other direction |
Far Wanderer
Bank of Far
70
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Posted - 2014.06.08 04:17:00 -
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Lord LazyGhost wrote:well as soon as you see Erotica saying its a good idea in a Post. your feet should be smoking the speed you should be running in the other direction Even in death(?), Erotica1 has power.
Not exactly He Who Shall Not Be Named status, but close.
Interesting, the notoriety some capsuleers achieve.
EDIT: And still interested in responses to the questions posted (two posts) above this one. I really am wasting my breath though, when you can avoid questions from Hexxx and RAW23 like that you must have some seriously devoted investors. --Elizabeth Norn |
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