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Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
2612
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Posted - 2014.03.06 18:45:00 -
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Eccon Dustwaver wrote:However I never said that what I said was justification. your language suggested otherwise vOv |
Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2014.03.06 19:08:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:
If someone gets mad in real life over the events that took place in a videogame, whether in 'context' or not, then they are probably not enjoying the game, in which case they should try another.
In the case of EVE, though, there is no 'context' or 'in-game narrative' but that which the players create. This is the purpose of a sandbox.
If someone gets mad IRL due to other players-¦actions which were meant to make him mad, harvest his tears, generate hate mail, I will agree that he-¦s unfortunately giving them what they want.
The confusion between RL and ingame universe really lies in the will of said players not to enjoy the game as a game, with an ingame narrative and character development, but to use it as an online platform to get what they can-¦t obtain IRL, because of the Law, that punishes people who go out of their way to emotionally harm other people.
To make it crystal clear: there are some kids who come to the sandbox to build castles, and destroy other kids-¦ castles, all in good fun, creating stories around that and wanting to share joy, being happy to play with other kids.
And there are kids who come to the castle not to play with other kids, but to annoy them, ruin their storytelling, make them mad, and make sure nobody has fun except them. Their fun is had in making other kids mad, and if they can make them cry, it makes their day.
I guess anybody can understand which kids see the sandbox as a fictional universe in which to create stories, and which kids consider the sandbox not as fictional at all, but as a place to traumatize others, taking advantage of their naive wish to play pretend. |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
191
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Posted - 2014.03.06 20:22:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:Maybe its because we are all bad people?
Maybe whoever is DDOSsing us somehow lost an officer fit NRI....twice and is now seeking justice?
Wow, this dude is gonna be famous from now on isn't he? Like the guy that got popped with 130 PLEXs or something. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1060
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Posted - 2014.03.06 20:37:00 -
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Those DDoS attacks are boring me. Why would someone be so stupid and do such thing with his free time? _¦Å-æ-»¦Ñ¦¼-Ä_-¢-å¦ä_-½-»-å¦ÿ-ò-û¦¦ |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2213
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Posted - 2014.03.06 20:51:00 -
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Mandarine wrote:
Well, there are people who are really giggling when some random eve player gets mad IRL because of their actions, and it does not fit any ingame narrative, nor their character development. Simply put, they don-¦t care about their character, it-¦s only a means to an end (making people mad, collecting hate mail, tears etc).
Otherwise, why would they create and biomass ganking alts when they reach negative sec status?
You will herp "but thats frwned upon by ccp". Well yes, and maybe accounts used to alt gank and recycle said alts are sometimes banned: which is good for business, because then, gankers will buy another one.
And you can verily play any online game out of context, if you pursue results that are outside the "magic circle", that is, the game universe and ingame narrative. Once again, aiming at making people mad IRL, not playing the game to play pretend being a pod pilot and feeling elation at your character-¦s epic adventures, but merely using said game and character as a means to make people mad IRL, the goal being, feeling good about your RL self having been the source of a random player-¦s disarray, this fits no ingame narrative at all. It-¦s not play pretend, it-¦s being an online jerk.
Much like highschoolers trolling their classmates on facebook, or people DDOSing servers,
Do you apply the same logic in chess?
"WAAA MUMMY HE KILLED MY ROOK, THIS GAME IS UNFAIR!" (throws tantrum and overturns board) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318489 - Proposal for a new type of tech 2 Destroyer If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Real Serious PVPer
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2014.03.06 20:53:00 -
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Maybe someone thought the PVP wasn't serious enough?
-áSerious about being serious- Putting the "P "into PVP one fight at a time. Available for consultations or limitied engagements |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
399
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Posted - 2014.03.06 22:41:00 -
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Mandarine wrote:
Otherwise, why would they create and biomass ganking alts when they reach negative sec status?
You will herp "but thats frwned upon by ccp". Well yes, and maybe accounts used to alt gank and recycle said alts are sometimes banned: which is good for business, because then, gankers will buy another one.
Actually the people I know that do this use 3 week trial accounts with a different email to their main and mainly gank shuttles, pods and unfitted ships (you will be surprised how many are around) generally at the Jita gates. So no dollars for CCP, its all done with trial accounts.
Moral of the story: Do not fly pods or shuttles into Jita if you have valuable implants and if you buy a ship fit SOMETHING to it, even if its junk meta one modules so a quick scan will at least show its fitted. |
Eccon Dustwaver
Excalibur Industries
3
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Posted - 2014.03.06 23:42:00 -
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Mandarine wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:
If someone gets mad in real life over the events that took place in a videogame, whether in 'context' or not, then they are probably not enjoying the game, in which case they should try another.
In the case of EVE, though, there is no 'context' or 'in-game narrative' but that which the players create. This is the purpose of a sandbox.
If someone gets mad IRL due to other players-¦actions which were meant to make him mad, harvest his tears, generate hate mail, I will agree that he-¦s unfortunately giving them what they want. The confusion between RL and ingame universe really lies in the will of said players not to enjoy the game as a game, with an ingame narrative and character development, but to use it as an online platform to get what they can-¦t obtain IRL, because of the Law, that punishes people who go out of their way to emotionally harm other people. To make it crystal clear: there are some kids who come to the sandbox to build castles, and destroy other kids-¦ castles, all in good fun, creating stories around that and wanting to share joy, being happy to play with other kids. And there are kids who come to the castle not to play with other kids, but to annoy them, ruin their storytelling, make them mad, and make sure nobody has fun except them. Their fun is had in making other kids mad, and if they can make them cry, it makes their day. I guess anybody can understand which kids see the sandbox as a fictional universe in which to create stories, and which kids consider the sandbox not as fictional at all, but as a place to traumatize others, taking advantage of their naive wish to play pretend. You forgot the group that plays the game to escape RL because they have problems in RL and this is their only escape. |
Eccon Dustwaver
Excalibur Industries
3
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Posted - 2014.03.06 23:44:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Mandarine wrote:
Otherwise, why would they create and biomass ganking alts when they reach negative sec status?
You will herp "but thats frwned upon by ccp". Well yes, and maybe accounts used to alt gank and recycle said alts are sometimes banned: which is good for business, because then, gankers will buy another one.
Actually the people I know that do this use 3 week trial accounts with a different email to their main and mainly gank shuttles, pods and unfitted ships (you will be surprised how many are around) generally at the Jita gates. So no dollars for CCP, its all done with trial accounts. Moral of the story: Do not fly pods or shuttles into Jita if you have valuable implants and if you buy a ship fit SOMETHING to it, even if its junk meta one modules so a quick scan will at least show its fitted. Moral of the story for CCP watch for people with trial accounts around Jita then ban their IP's. |
Yang Aurilen
Summary Executions Test Alliance Please Ignore
58
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Posted - 2014.03.07 01:23:00 -
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Eccon Dustwaver wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Mandarine wrote:
Otherwise, why would they create and biomass ganking alts when they reach negative sec status?
You will herp "but thats frwned upon by ccp". Well yes, and maybe accounts used to alt gank and recycle said alts are sometimes banned: which is good for business, because then, gankers will buy another one.
Actually the people I know that do this use 3 week trial accounts with a different email to their main and mainly gank shuttles, pods and unfitted ships (you will be surprised how many are around) generally at the Jita gates. So no dollars for CCP, its all done with trial accounts. Moral of the story: Do not fly pods or shuttles into Jita if you have valuable implants and if you buy a ship fit SOMETHING to it, even if its junk meta one modules so a quick scan will at least show its fitted. Moral of the story for CCP watch for people with trial accounts around Jita then ban their IP's.
Dynamic IP says hello. Let's say MR GANKEROUS THROWAWAYMAXIMUS gets an IP ban from good ole CCP for using throwaway alts. Now he just resets his router and gets a new IP. Now imagine me being a new player registering for the first time. The moment I download the game and patch it all up I suddenly receive a message saying my IP is banned. Let's say I'm computer illiterate and don't know how to change my IP. Suddenly CCP lost a potential customer because CCP banned an IP address. |
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Eccon Dustwaver
Excalibur Industries
3
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Posted - 2014.03.07 01:52:00 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:Eccon Dustwaver wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Mandarine wrote:
Otherwise, why would they create and biomass ganking alts when they reach negative sec status?
You will herp "but thats frwned upon by ccp". Well yes, and maybe accounts used to alt gank and recycle said alts are sometimes banned: which is good for business, because then, gankers will buy another one.
Actually the people I know that do this use 3 week trial accounts with a different email to their main and mainly gank shuttles, pods and unfitted ships (you will be surprised how many are around) generally at the Jita gates. So no dollars for CCP, its all done with trial accounts. Moral of the story: Do not fly pods or shuttles into Jita if you have valuable implants and if you buy a ship fit SOMETHING to it, even if its junk meta one modules so a quick scan will at least show its fitted. Moral of the story for CCP watch for people with trial accounts around Jita then ban their IP's. Dynamic IP says hello. Let's say MR GANKEROUS THROWAWAYMAXIMUS gets an IP ban from good ole CCP for using throwaway alts. Now he just resets his router and gets a new IP. Now imagine me being a new player registering for the first time. The moment I download the game and patch it all up I suddenly receive a message saying my IP is banned. Let's say I'm computer illiterate and don't know how to change my IP. Suddenly CCP lost a potential customer because CCP banned an IP address. Ban their PC's internal IP. |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2014.03.07 02:48:00 -
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I Riven I wrote:1- Why do you think CCP is getting DDOSed? Russians sending a message to Brave Newbies about their new home.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
402
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Posted - 2014.03.07 03:29:00 -
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Eccon Dustwaver wrote:Yang Aurilen wrote:Eccon Dustwaver wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Mandarine wrote:
Otherwise, why would they create and biomass ganking alts when they reach negative sec status?
You will herp "but thats frwned upon by ccp". Well yes, and maybe accounts used to alt gank and recycle said alts are sometimes banned: which is good for business, because then, gankers will buy another one.
Actually the people I know that do this use 3 week trial accounts with a different email to their main and mainly gank shuttles, pods and unfitted ships (you will be surprised how many are around) generally at the Jita gates. So no dollars for CCP, its all done with trial accounts. Moral of the story: Do not fly pods or shuttles into Jita if you have valuable implants and if you buy a ship fit SOMETHING to it, even if its junk meta one modules so a quick scan will at least show its fitted. Moral of the story for CCP watch for people with trial accounts around Jita then ban their IP's. Dynamic IP says hello. Let's say MR GANKEROUS THROWAWAYMAXIMUS gets an IP ban from good ole CCP for using throwaway alts. Now he just resets his router and gets a new IP. Now imagine me being a new player registering for the first time. The moment I download the game and patch it all up I suddenly receive a message saying my IP is banned. Let's say I'm computer illiterate and don't know how to change my IP. Suddenly CCP lost a potential customer because CCP banned an IP address. Ban their PC's internal IP.
You can change that 3 times in 5 minutes if you want.
Regardless of any clever ways to prevent this, I do know people that do this on a regular basis all the time, its not a hypothetical "what if a ganker did this" scenario.
The same people make billions from clever scam/ganks like selling very pricey BPOs and modules at a very good price (pretty much no profit) on contract then watching with a suicide alt in a 'nado for the purchaser to undock and getting the goods back. So they do the "trial account" ganker thing to be funny basically. |
Tanuki Kittybeta
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2014.03.07 07:12:00 -
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Eccon Dustwaver wrote:Yang Aurilen wrote:Eccon Dustwaver wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Mandarine wrote:
Otherwise, why would they create and biomass ganking alts when they reach negative sec status?
You will herp "but thats frwned upon by ccp". Well yes, and maybe accounts used to alt gank and recycle said alts are sometimes banned: which is good for business, because then, gankers will buy another one.
Actually the people I know that do this use 3 week trial accounts with a different email to their main and mainly gank shuttles, pods and unfitted ships (you will be surprised how many are around) generally at the Jita gates. So no dollars for CCP, its all done with trial accounts. Moral of the story: Do not fly pods or shuttles into Jita if you have valuable implants and if you buy a ship fit SOMETHING to it, even if its junk meta one modules so a quick scan will at least show its fitted. Moral of the story for CCP watch for people with trial accounts around Jita then ban their IP's. Dynamic IP says hello. Let's say MR GANKEROUS THROWAWAYMAXIMUS gets an IP ban from good ole CCP for using throwaway alts. Now he just resets his router and gets a new IP. Now imagine me being a new player registering for the first time. The moment I download the game and patch it all up I suddenly receive a message saying my IP is banned. Let's say I'm computer illiterate and don't know how to change my IP. Suddenly CCP lost a potential customer because CCP banned an IP address. Ban their PC's internal IP.
you mean their mac address? |
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics CODE.
856
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Posted - 2014.03.07 07:31:00 -
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They lost their Michi's Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory.-áAll miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code.-áMining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com to learn more. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
403
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Posted - 2014.03.07 08:00:00 -
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Tanuki Kittybeta wrote:Eccon Dustwaver wrote: Ban their PC's internal IP.
you mean their mac address?
That does not achieve anything useful either -->
http://www.online-tech-tips.com/computer-tips/how-to-change-mac-address/
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Tacomaco
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2014.03.07 08:19:00 -
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I Riven I wrote: 1- Why do you think CCP is getting DDOSed?
Somebody got mad at them and have control over some botnet?
Also criminal groups DDOS MMO servers and blackmail the gaming companies. You know like pirate corps that blackmail miners but in real live. If CCP catches them, they should definitely reduce their security status even send the CONCORD after them. Oh, wait that only works in the game.
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Flybiere
F'n'F Inc
7
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Posted - 2014.03.07 13:12:00 -
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Zack Korth wrote: why? their dad has thousands to throw away on vidya shinies
Just the fact that he'd want to worries me. |
Erin Crawford
32
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Posted - 2014.03.07 13:25:00 -
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I Riven I wrote:Reasons for DDOSing!
Lack of any kind of a social life. And basement dwelling!
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Tavin Aikisen
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
246
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Posted - 2014.03.07 14:05:00 -
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I Riven I wrote: 3- What did CCP might have done wrong?
Nothing. You cannot pass blame from the criminal to the victim in this case. Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home. -Cold Wind |
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Eccon Dustwaver
Excalibur Industries
3
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Posted - 2014.03.08 05:53:00 -
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Tavin Aikisen wrote:I Riven I wrote: 3- What did CCP might have done wrong?
Nothing. You cannot pass blame from the criminal to the victim in this case. Sure you can but the justice system will just ignore it. |
Alyth
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.03.08 21:52:00 -
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Mandarine wrote:
You mean, like using a video game out of context (that is, paying no heed to the ingame fictional narrative and having no interest im building it), and logging in with the express purpose of making random people mad IRL?
How is an immortal capsuleer losing their grip on reality, thinking it's all just a game because no-one really dies anymore not playing along with the fictional narrative? |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
305
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Posted - 2014.03.09 00:08:00 -
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Script kiddies being script kiddies. |
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