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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.14 21:54:00 -
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No, it will not. The figures simply do not add up to going with Vista at the point, and I don't regret taking a stance which was correct given what we knew at the time.
And the 360 is a waste of cash without a HDTV. You might as well get an XBox...the graphical difference, compared side by side is minimal on a normal TV. On a HDTV the difference is phenomenal, yes. But ONLY on the HDTV.
As for Vista and Eve,it boils down to the greater good for the greater number. And that does NOT mean DX10/Vista at this point.
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
digitalwanderer
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Posted - 2006.04.14 21:55:00 -
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 Originally by: pyr8t
Actually, VISTA presents huge leaps and bounds for gamers. You'll want to get VISTA because it will be the most stable OS in the windows line.
I wont go into too many details, but extremetech.com has a pretty good write up on what VISTA will do.
I'm glad CCP is utilizing the graphics DX10 offers rather than cater to those with crap systms...
Any O/S that has to unload the GUI to leave enough system memory/video card resources free to run a game isn't exactly getting my hopes up here,but it's just me....
As for crap systems,we'll the current crap system i'm running has an athlon FX60 with 2 gig's of ram and a pair of 7800 GT's in SLI,backed up by 2 maxtor atlas 5's 10 000 RPM scsi hardrives in raid 0,so there goes your argument right out the door.... 
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digitalwanderer
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Posted - 2006.04.14 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Juri
Originally by: Maya Rkell
The key there is "sooner or later". It's going to be "later" for a LOT of people. Late enough that making this cycle DX9c just makes SENSE to myself and some others in this thread.
Actually it will go faster then you try to make it look. For "ALOT" of ppl. And if EVE is going to stay alive and not just alive but be a mayor player as it is today it will need to go for Vista/directx10 sooner or later. Might asswell be "sooner". For me it makes "sense", And I bet it will for you to one day.
(in the meanwhile you can still play the game.)
Here is an example-
I got an Xbox 360, its great im sorry to say I dont have an HD TV but I know one day I will.
Should I be ****ed at ppl that have an HD TV? or be ****ed a Microsoft to make a console that will make "sense" for me when I do get a HD TV?
Today playing COD2 I got a dissadvantage against some snipers some times due to worse res*. So lets talk about EVE today with frame rate, ping etc. What should we do about all this? make a game fitting to your wallet?
I say this thread "Begone"!
Huge difference in your example and you know it,since even when using a regular TV,the actual graphical content is still the same no matter what,an HDTV just allows higher resolutions,wich doesn't require any work from the developer it other than adding that choice in the game options....
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.14 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: digitalwanderer
Originally by: pyr8t
Actually, VISTA presents huge leaps and bounds for gamers. You'll want to get VISTA because it will be the most stable OS in the windows line.
I wont go into too many details, but extremetech.com has a pretty good write up on what VISTA will do.
I'm glad CCP is utilizing the graphics DX10 offers rather than cater to those with crap systms...
Any O/S that has to unload the GUI to leave enough system memory/video card resources free to run a game isn't exactly getting my hopes up here,but it's just me....
Oh yea, don't even get me STARTED on that. Hopefully it'll be optional in some way..or otherwise that cuts my gaming time to the periods when I can exclusively be out of contact (no IM, etc.) which is about 1/3 of what I currently play.
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.04.14 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
No, it will not. The figures simply do not add up to going with Vista at the point, and I don't regret taking a stance which was correct given what we knew at the time.
And the 360 is a waste of cash without a HDTV. You might as well get an XBox...the graphical difference, compared side by side is minimal on a normal TV. On a HDTV the difference is phenomenal, yes. But ONLY on the HDTV.
As for Vista and Eve,it boils down to the greater good for the greater number. And that does NOT mean DX10/Vista at this point.
I waste my cash on the 360 cause I dont have an HD TV today? wow you know nothing! Only for the HD TV? what this boils down to is that you maya got problems, yes mayor problems.
You and your stances and morals, not to mention so called exisitng "figures". And you clearly dont know what your talking about. Dont get Vista fine rest of the world will have to. And most will enjoy it, XP 4TW? 
*sigh* stop whining!
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digitalwanderer
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Posted - 2006.04.14 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: digitalwanderer
Originally by: pyr8t
Actually, VISTA presents huge leaps and bounds for gamers. You'll want to get VISTA because it will be the most stable OS in the windows line.
I wont go into too many details, but extremetech.com has a pretty good write up on what VISTA will do.
I'm glad CCP is utilizing the graphics DX10 offers rather than cater to those with crap systms...
Any O/S that has to unload the GUI to leave enough system memory/video card resources free to run a game isn't exactly getting my hopes up here,but it's just me....
Oh yea, don't even get me STARTED on that. Hopefully it'll be optional in some way..or otherwise that cuts my gaming time to the periods when I can exclusively be out of contact (no IM, etc.) which is about 1/3 of what I currently play.
Dunno how that might affect playing the game in windowed mode or have ventrilo/teamspeak running in the background...Or even those that have a dual monitor setup wich the second monitor can be used to browse the net while playing eve on the main monitor...the fancy GUI might have to be disabled in those situations.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.14 22:15:00 -
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Mayor problems? No, I don't think so. I don't even know who the Mayor of Oxford is.
Your assumptions and ignorance, combined with your arrogance are locking you into a single, narrow and biased worldview. I am hardly alone in my stance. And no, I still use 2k. Because there is nothing in XP which is of any value to me. Vista is actually of negative value, because it will prevent me from doing a lot I do today which is perfectly legal. And it will be that way for a LOT of people...they just haven't realised the implications yet.
And yes, you've wasted your cash on a shiny console which has no real advantage over the previous gen console at this point on a normal TV, given the fact that the current games are mostly Xbox titles which are ported or defered for the 360. In a year it might be worthwhile..but right now, it's tech for tech's sake. Which is just silly.
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
Dhin Xar
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Posted - 2006.04.14 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Juri
Dont get Vista fine rest of the world will have to.
Someone appears to not know why Microsoft is getting hit with Antitrust lawsuits left and right. |
Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.04.14 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Dhin Xar
Originally by: Sir Juri
Dont get Vista fine rest of the world will have to.
Someone appears to not know why Microsoft is getting hit with Antitrust lawsuits left and right.
someone doesnt know that Microsoft lost many, but it wont matter? *headache* so your point? you will keep using XP? or a another OS?
Im a noob, bear with me :P |
Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.04.14 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Mayor problems? No, I don't think so. I don't even know who the Mayor of Oxford is.
Your assumptions and ignorance, combined with your arrogance are locking you into a single, narrow and biased worldview. I am hardly alone in my stance. And no, I still use 2k. Because there is nothing in XP which is of any value to me. Vista is actually of negative value, because it will prevent me from doing a lot I do today which is perfectly legal. And it will be that way for a LOT of people...they just haven't realised the implications yet.
And yes, you've wasted your cash on a shiny console which has no real advantage over the previous gen console at this point on a normal TV, given the fact that the current games are mostly Xbox titles which are ported or defered for the 360. In a year it might be worthwhile..but right now, it's tech for tech's sake. Which is just silly.
what you do now is make up lies. About 360, wow I guess you go for the "bigger the lie is..." tactic.
Im a noob, bear with me :P |
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.14 22:29:00 -
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No, it's called an alternate point of view. People have them, because we're not all obnoxious bigots who have to flame anyone who dissents from their narrow point of view, like you.
When Microsoft's own documentation talks about needing a HDTV to experience the 360 properly...
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
digitalwanderer
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Posted - 2006.04.14 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: digitalwanderer on 14/04/2006 22:31:52
Originally by: Sir Juri
Originally by: Dhin Xar
Originally by: Sir Juri
Dont get Vista fine rest of the world will have to.
Someone appears to not know why Microsoft is getting hit with Antitrust lawsuits left and right.
someone doesnt know that Microsoft lost many, but it wont matter? *headache* so your point? you will keep using XP? or a another OS?
The basic point is that the main feature of vista is the fancy GUI and it's DX10 support,wich is the only reason why it's actually any sort of advancement over what's currently out right now...Yup even microsoft is running out of ideas on what to add to it's O/S's,so let's just make it with a 3D interface and hardware intensive so that both they and hardware makers make tons of money at users expense...
Heck the only reason i changed to XP from windows 2000 pro was that it's doesn't have support for SLI or crossfire video card setups like XP has,otherwise i'd still stay with win 2000 pro,as it had the features i needed,was faster than XP since it uses less resources and it just as stable...
DX is what basically keeping microsoft alive these days,at least for home use in multimedia apps,as there are better choices for everything else...
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pyr8t
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Posted - 2006.04.14 22:36:00 -
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Like I said, i'm not going to enter into a 'VISTA/DX10' debate. But from what you're saying it shows just how little you know in regards to VISTA, and for that matter, the entire PC industry as a whole, gaming or otherwise. Many of your arguments are flawed. Please read some articles on tomshardware.com or extremetech.com to get a good gist of why your on the wrong side of this argument.
The only reason you're complaining is because you don't want to upgrade to VISTA. That's fine. Stay with a crap OS that caters to older technology. Fine by me. Meanwhile, i'll have a VISTA running machine with the fantastic DX10 graphics settings.
ANd another thing, the fact that you're complaining that CCP is using DX10 when every single other PC game is going to have to do that same thing if they want to keep up with the market makes you a hipocrit.
You sound like you just don't want to CHANGE. But CHANGE, espically change to VISTA, is a good thing. Not a bad thing.
Every single development house in the gaming industry is excited about DX10 and what it does for games.
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General Tso's
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Posted - 2006.04.14 22:44:00 -
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You've gotta start somewhere right? Even if ya gotta take a few steps back to start running forward. I wouldn't worry in the slightest bit, because there are brilliant people on all sides.
They say the universe is perfect
If you try to change it, you'll only ruin it
If you try to hold onto it, it will only slip away |
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.04.14 22:46:00 -
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Please read the new Dev Blog and turn all discussion to the new thread.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online |
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.04.14 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
No, it's called an alternate point of view. People have them, because we're not all obnoxious bigots who have to flame anyone who dissents from their narrow point of view, like you.
When Microsoft's own documentation talks about needing a HDTV to experience the 360 properly...
no its not about difference in view point.
Its like I would say -well science says their is a law called gravity, but I believe their is no such thing.
Now go to xbox.com and get a clue you noob. Yes to get the PROPER EXPERIENCE! not an xbox 1 experience, but I will send a mail to Bill Gates to clarify this for retards that exists out there, ones like you that dont own one but knows that im wrong which plays it every week. Oh and 360 has better graphics even without an HD-TV.
About Vista you obviously know nothing, running out of ideas, where did you come up with that one? Now you making up lies, I can honestly say you are about both Vista/360 and DirectX10. Usually you represent a view but this time you lie and reason of your views are your wallet speaking or psychotic reasons.
Im a noob, bear with me :P |
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