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Klurig
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Posted - 2006.04.14 21:27:00 -
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First of all, the new issue is GREAT! Second, I didn't get the post cards this time :( Are the postcards that were supposed to be included with the annual subscription only for the first magazine you get after paying the sub? I thought they were supposed to be delivered with every mag until your sub ran out? Maybe I got the wrong idea. Does anyone know?
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M3ta7h3ad
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Posted - 2006.04.14 21:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Zapatero
Originally by: M3ta7h3ad
Originally by: Phoenix Lord
Originally by: Soratah
What are the chances of CCP compiling EON into a .PDF format file and allowing people to purchase directly from this site?
Just think it could save shipping costs and save on some of the printing costs for CCP.
Regards
This was discussed in the other thread that announced EON 3.
They said that it wouldnt happen. Mainly because the whole point of EON 3 is to have a real life part of EVE online, and it would kill sales for the real thing and hurt the publisher or something like that.
No... it was discussed your right on that point, but everything that follows after that is wrong.
Zapetero does not want to publish the EON magazine online in a paid for downloadable PDF format as he feels that it would diminish EONs ranking as a collectible item.
FFS... its a gaming magazine. Since when have gaming magazines been "collectables" Beano's yes... Dandy's yes... Marvel Comics... yes. A game specific gaming magazine... Just dont see it happening.
Sales would go up if this was offered. It just doesnt make sense using "collectable" status as a defence.
Actually I have a wall racked with countless gaming mags; every issue of Arcade, Retro Gamer, Games(tm), countless issues of PC Format, Edge, Crash, The One, Sinclair User, Zero, PC Zone (obviously), OPM, ODM.... but this isn't about collectability, it's about EON being a *magazine*. It's a physical thing. It has a feel, a smell, it is something we as physical beings can relate to -- It has permanance, yet it has a place in time. EON will most likely outlive EVE itself: One day EVE will be no more, these forums will have vanished - maybe the Internet itself will have gone - and EVE will only exist in your memory, which itself will fail in time.
You'll be rocking on your porch, dribbling onto the blanket that covers your withered stumps, muttering something about how you used to have this incredible ship that arced across the heavens... how everyone respected you. 'grandad's freaking out again' will say your grandchildren, barely conceiling their laughter.
Now if you only you had that copy of EON. Then they'd understand...
- Z
I would get the same feeling of nostalgia that I get from reading a PDF version.
How do I know this? I own several electronic books, some of them are my favourite. Long after my actual printed book has ended up destroyed by water/fire/bugs or just plain over use (every book lover knows the perils of breaking a spine) I can still fire up my PDA and enjoy those books.
Museums and libraries are currently undertaking efforts to electronically store and archive all their most valuable works. The "nostalgia" kick works both ways.
Its clear an electronic version is wanted and needed, along with a way to actually pay for the magazine that isnt Credit Card only (paypal!?). Please take it into consideration beyond what you've already done. If only this forum supported Polls properly im sure we could have ourselves a decent vote on this topic, and im also sure that it would be in support of an electronic format to co-exist with the printed format.
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Phoenix Lord
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Posted - 2006.04.14 22:57:00 -
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I just noticed something.
Theres a minmatarr shuttle on the front cover, right under the Vexor.
Hahaha.....
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Zapatero
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Posted - 2006.04.14 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: M3ta7h3ad
I would get the same feeling of nostalgia that I get from reading a PDF version.
How do I know this? I own several electronic books, some of them are my favourite. Long after my actual printed book has ended up destroyed by water/fire/bugs or just plain over use (every book lover knows the perils of breaking a spine) I can still fire up my PDA and enjoy those books.
Museums and libraries are currently undertaking efforts to electronically store and archive all their most valuable works. The "nostalgia" kick works both ways.
Its clear an electronic version is wanted and needed, along with a way to actually pay for the magazine that isnt Credit Card only (paypal!?). Please take it into consideration beyond what you've already done. If only this forum supported Polls properly im sure we could have ourselves a decent vote on this topic, and im also sure that it would be in support of an electronic format to co-exist with the printed format.
It would certainly be interesting to hear what the masses had to say on a pdf version, but it wouldn't change anything.
That you prefer electronic docs to the printed page I find rather odd. Comes down to function Vs form, I guess. Each to their own.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2006.04.14 23:34:00 -
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would not be a collectible if it was a pdf 
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BlackHole Bob
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Posted - 2006.04.15 00:39:00 -
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still no delivery here and I pre-ordered....
did this not ship on the 7th???
Blackhole Bob
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Phoenix Lord
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Posted - 2006.04.15 01:27:00 -
[127]
Originally by: BlackHole Bob
Edited by: BlackHole Bob on 15/04/2006 01:09:03
still no delivery here and I pre-ordered....
did this not ship on the 7th???
maybe you should ship over seas copies a few days earlier then the release date....so the community gets theres all about the same time....
i heard all about it now and the excitement has lost its luster...
Kieron is working on that, he made a post about it in the original thread announcing EON3.
BTW, im in New York, US and i just recieved my copy. The rest of the US should get theirs soon too.
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M3ta7h3ad
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Posted - 2006.04.15 06:34:00 -
[128]
Edited by: M3ta7h3ad on 15/04/2006 06:36:22
Originally by: Zapatero
Originally by: M3ta7h3ad
I would get the same feeling of nostalgia that I get from reading a PDF version.
How do I know this? I own several electronic books, some of them are my favourite. Long after my actual printed book has ended up destroyed by water/fire/bugs or just plain over use (every book lover knows the perils of breaking a spine) I can still fire up my PDA and enjoy those books.
Museums and libraries are currently undertaking efforts to electronically store and archive all their most valuable works. The "nostalgia" kick works both ways.
Its clear an electronic version is wanted and needed, along with a way to actually pay for the magazine that isnt Credit Card only (paypal!?). Please take it into consideration beyond what you've already done. If only this forum supported Polls properly im sure we could have ourselves a decent vote on this topic, and im also sure that it would be in support of an electronic format to co-exist with the printed format.
It would certainly be interesting to hear what the masses had to say on a pdf version, but it wouldn't change anything.
That you prefer electronic docs to the printed page I find rather odd. Comes down to function Vs form, I guess. Each to their own.
- Z
I dont prefer electronic docs to books, however I can see the attraction of it. I dont see EON as being a collectable in my sense of the word so I would prefer instant delivery as opposed to a pleasing form. However I am not going to deprive the collectors amongst your readership from collecting the magazine hence the need for an electronic version to co-exist.
I dont know how your printers work but I work for a training company that produces manuals and so on for their students. Ours are all designed, collated and brought together and sent to the printers in a PDF format anyway so in our case its not an issue to release the PDF as its already produced. I assume yours is the same or similar setup.
Its such a shame that for an online game, the accompanying magazine doesnt have an online format.
As you say its not going to change anything anyway (damn shame). What's the word on sorting a method of payment out for us lot who dont use credit cards?.
Edit: BTW it is much appreciated that you are taking the time to answer my posts here.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2006.04.15 07:02:00 -
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I've posted this before, but i'll post it again.
The reasons you don't get EON as a pdf are the same reasons why you don't get other gaming mags as a pdf.
Also, EON doesn't have a lot of numbers in it's print runs - if it were distributed electronically, the real mag would cost a hell of a lot more because people will likely not bother to buy it and get it on bittorrent, which is bound to happen.
I, for one, don't want it electronically. I want something to read during my weekly 3 hour train runs, on the toilet, whereever there isn't a computer.
Metalhead, Admiral Pieg, if you want to sit at your computer 14/7 to do everything, be my guest, but it would help if you tried getting away from behind there and train your eyes on something real for a change... Even if it's transitionary like EON.
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2006.04.15 07:13:00 -
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Edited by: MysticNZ on 15/04/2006 07:13:47
Originally by: Zapatero
Originally by: M3ta7h3ad
I would get the same feeling of nostalgia that I get from reading a PDF version.
How do I know this? I own several electronic books, some of them are my favourite. Long after my actual printed book has ended up destroyed by water/fire/bugs or just plain over use (every book lover knows the perils of breaking a spine) I can still fire up my PDA and enjoy those books.
Museums and libraries are currently undertaking efforts to electronically store and archive all their most valuable works. The "nostalgia" kick works both ways.
Its clear an electronic version is wanted and needed, along with a way to actually pay for the magazine that isnt Credit Card only (paypal!?). Please take it into consideration beyond what you've already done. If only this forum supported Polls properly im sure we could have ourselves a decent vote on this topic, and im also sure that it would be in support of an electronic format to co-exist with the printed format.
It would certainly be interesting to hear what the masses had to say on a pdf version, but it wouldn't change anything.
That you prefer electronic docs to the printed page I find rather odd. Comes down to function Vs form, I guess. Each to their own.
- Z
What I would love is to order an eon mag, get the pdf right away, then have the mag sent out...
Even if it cost more.
Atomic just released every pdf version of their mag last 2 issues, I don't think it's a big deal. Most books now come with the pdf version on cd with it.
BTW, atomic IS the best comp magazine :)
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M3ta7h3ad
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Posted - 2006.04.15 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha
I've posted this before, but i'll post it again.
The reasons you don't get EON as a pdf are the same reasons why you don't get other gaming mags as a pdf.
Also, EON doesn't have a lot of numbers in it's print runs - if it were distributed electronically, the real mag would cost a hell of a lot more because people will likely not bother to buy it and get it on bittorrent, which is bound to happen.
I, for one, don't want it electronically. I want something to read during my weekly 3 hour train runs, on the toilet, whereever there isn't a computer.
Metalhead, Admiral Pieg, if you want to sit at your computer 14/7 to do everything, be my guest, but it would help if you tried getting away from behind there and train your eyes on something real for a change... Even if it's transitionary like EON.
You mean the same reasons I can read most gaming magazine articles online on their websites? Why doesnt EON have this if thats your defence?
Who said that I'd sit on my computer "14/7" to do everything? HMM.... it would help more if you assumed less about me, and took the time to read my posts above. As I basically indicated I was a bookworm at heart. As for reading on the toilet... there are those of us with PDA's and Ebook readers that would do the same.
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do something real for a change
well reading a document using a handheld reader can hardly be classed as "not real" I mean unless you think that the PDA I would be holding is made of purely imaginative thoughts, that the stylus im navigating with is merely a projection of my mind, and that im dreaming of the content of the books, as opposed to reading material that has been written. To be honest its about as real as reading gets.
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M3ta7h3ad
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Posted - 2006.04.15 07:21:00 -
[132]
Originally by: MysticNZ
Edited by: MysticNZ on 15/04/2006 07:13:47
Originally by: Zapatero
Originally by: M3ta7h3ad
I would get the same feeling of nostalgia that I get from reading a PDF version.
How do I know this? I own several electronic books, some of them are my favourite. Long after my actual printed book has ended up destroyed by water/fire/bugs or just plain over use (every book lover knows the perils of breaking a spine) I can still fire up my PDA and enjoy those books.
Museums and libraries are currently undertaking efforts to electronically store and archive all their most valuable works. The "nostalgia" kick works both ways.
Its clear an electronic version is wanted and needed, along with a way to actually pay for the magazine that isnt Credit Card only (paypal!?). Please take it into consideration beyond what you've already done. If only this forum supported Polls properly im sure we could have ourselves a decent vote on this topic, and im also sure that it would be in support of an electronic format to co-exist with the printed format.
It would certainly be interesting to hear what the masses had to say on a pdf version, but it wouldn't change anything.
That you prefer electronic docs to the printed page I find rather odd. Comes down to function Vs form, I guess. Each to their own.
- Z
What I would love is to order an eon mag, get the pdf right away, then have the mag sent out...
Even if it cost more.
Atomic just released every pdf version of their mag last 2 issues, I don't think it's a big deal. Most books now come with the pdf version on cd with it.
BTW, atomic IS the best comp magazine :)
I'd kinda be happy with that choice too :)
BTW, MicroMart is king of the computer magazines! :D
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2006.04.15 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: M3ta7h3ad
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You're moving the problem around..... I hope you see that.
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Admiral Pieg
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Posted - 2006.04.15 10:40:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Reiisha
I've posted this before, but i'll post it again.
The reasons you don't get EON as a pdf are the same reasons why you don't get other gaming mags as a pdf.
Also, EON doesn't have a lot of numbers in it's print runs - if it were distributed electronically, the real mag would cost a hell of a lot more because people will likely not bother to buy it and get it on bittorrent, which is bound to happen.
I, for one, don't want it electronically. I want something to read during my weekly 3 hour train runs, on the toilet, whereever there isn't a computer.
Metalhead, Admiral Pieg, if you want to sit at your computer 14/7 to do everything, be my guest, but it would help if you tried getting away from behind there and train your eyes on something real for a change... Even if it's transitionary like EON.
You're missing my point reiisha. Im not interested in 95% of the content that EON offers. All i want is to see how the game im playing and paying for will look in the near future and to charge me 15$ for that is something i would expect from SOE not CCP. I just want to see pictures of the new engine, that is all.
And seriously, i play this game like 5 hours a week at most which is more then enough EVE for me. Im not that much of a fanboy to buy a magazine about the freakin game i already play, jeez.
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Edward Sarum
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Posted - 2006.04.15 15:05:00 -
[135]
Don't know what you guys fixed but no 3 week wait this time, Issue 3 is in the US NOW :-)
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.04.15 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Zapatero
Actually I have a wall racked with countless gaming mags; every issue of Arcade, Retro Gamer, Games(tm), countless issues of PC Format, Edge, Crash, The One, Sinclair User, Zero, PC Zone (obviously), OPM, ODM....
PLEASE tell me by "The One", you meant the Amiga magazine. :D
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Viduus
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Posted - 2006.04.16 17:04:00 -
[137]
Anyone in Maryland get theirs yet? havent gotten mine
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Niccolado Starwalker
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Posted - 2006.04.16 22:35:00 -
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Grrr.... NO magazine yet. Im gonna sue the mailman if im not having the magazine on Tuesday...
Zapatero: Great Magazine! And I agree with you! Keep the magazine in paper and ink only! I love to read a real life magazine about EVE Online, and for me to keep in my shelves!
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Niccolado Starwalker
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Posted - 2006.04.16 23:07:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Zapatero
Actually I have a wall racked with countless gaming mags; every issue of Arcade, Retro Gamer, Games(tm), countless issues of PC Format, Edge, Crash, The One, Sinclair User, Zero, PC Zone (obviously), OPM, ODM....
PLEASE tell me by "The One", you meant the Amiga magazine. :D
Doubt that Chuck Norris have made his entrance to his own magazine. Personally, I think Karate Kommandoes where QUITE enough...
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Viduus
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Posted - 2006.04.17 03:54:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Viduus
Anyone in Maryland get theirs yet? havent gotten mine
nevermind.... bloody mail stealing neighbors
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Lord Timelord
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Posted - 2006.04.17 06:20:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Timelord on 17/04/2006 06:24:03
I received my EON Magazine on Friday, 04/14/2006 [Rochester, New York, United States].
Good catch by someone above me in the post on that Minmatar Shuttle sitting under the Crusier on the cover. Very good indicator of the differences of ship sizes in the game.
BTW...
This issue has a lot of good content. For all you guys that can't really afford to subscribe to it, I'd suggest that you find a few gang mates that play the game in your town to purchase one sub to share with each other. With the Mag comming out quarterly, you have plenty of time to pass it around.
My Opinions on the mag:
1. Love MC's add in the inside cover!
2. Printing a High Resolution picture of a Dreadnought on such a fine print mag as EON without weapons fitted is just WRONG (see page 5)! I want to see those high-res gunz!
3. Page 7... OH HELL NO! NO WAY! EVER! You guys are cRaZY for even suggesting it!!!!
4. Pages 8-9. Someone should sell these in kits that you could put together! Design them and put them up for sale in the EVE Store CCP!
5. Los Vegas... I'm noticing a glaring LACK of babe photos here!
6. Page 14. I thought that these were supposed to be actually printed out on stock like last time? What gives?
7. Add on page 18 reminds me of the Video clip in StarCraft where the Terran Battlecrusier comes overhead in the middle of a battle!
8. Page 19. You aren't the only one to have a pimpin' ride!
9. All Chronicle Stories: MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE!!!!!
10. Page 34, Bottom Left Ship Picture. MAN that's a siginificant inprovement in looks! Might have to train to fly that one now!
11. Page 41. I would have cut the pic at least in 1/2, to make more room for text so the story could be bigger!
12. Page 45. Looks like a Shadow Ship from Babylon 5!
13. Page 47. Bottom right ship. Also looks SWEET!
14. Page 56. He looks like a tall dude! Best guess is 6' 3" in height. How close am I?
15. Kaaii's Trading Guide: Excellent IMHO. Props to ya!
16. James Lyrus's EW Guile: Also Excellent! Kudos to ya!
17. Page 73. Looks like a Parade Ceptor if you could hold it in your hand???
18. The fact that this EON arrived with a heavy crease through the top right corner, about 4 inches from the end. BOO! Mailman must have sat on it in the truck.
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Matthias DuBastyra
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Posted - 2006.04.17 15:27:00 -
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OMG OMG OMG!!!
So I awoke to what seemed to be an ordinary Saturday morning. I rolled out of bed with my hair still awry and film on my teeth and shuffled over to "Central Command" (the room my roommate--Belnessari DuBastyra--dubbed since both computers are located in there). With one sock up and the other half off, I sit down to log in. I am startled by my phone going off as my cat pounces on my desk meowing for his morning grub. It's an old friend of my mine on the phone calling to wish me a happy birthday to which I respond,
"Yeah, thanks, one year older and I still haven't reached 0.0 space."
Of course, he hasn't a clue of what I'm talking about. The convo deteriorates into a brief exchange of what I have planned for the day before my cat becomes totally unbearable. I hang up with my bud and feed the cat. I return to see a couple of b-day notes in the Eve-mail from my corp mates (thanks guys). My parents have a dinner planned and as I slowly pull myself together, I hear the mail man pass by. The whirl of his little engine is something I've come to listen for having waited for the previous issues. Not thinking anything of it (since the last time it took me about four weeks before I got my issue), I'm thinking to receive the latest bills and a few adverts, but lo and behold: An oversized white plastic mailer. My eye's quickly dialate as I stand elated in the street next to the mail box. It was like a scene from a horror movie when the door the victim is trying to get to suddenly pulls away as if it were moving against the escape attempt. Snatching the package, I quickly bound up the drive way and into the house in one swoop of action!
All I have to say is WOW! Great issue! I especially like the articles by DigitalCommunist, James Lyrus, the Story by Fran Macjus...awesome awesome awesome. I really like to read the interviews about the staff at CCP, what a wonderful way to personalize a such a fun company. (Hey, Mr. PTtursson, can I call you Redd?--maybe I better not, he is wearing a Guristas t-shirt after all...hmm, the CEO of CCP is also the CEO of the Guristas!--Inconcievable!) The ads look great!Props to the Mercenary Coalition (LOL)! What a fun ad! Truly an example of saying more with less.
Yeah, yeah, the dinner went great. Got some good stuff. Went out. Got drunk. Endymius DuBastyra (another corp mate of mine) puked. But the best part of it all was the Mag. Thanks guys! This is the fastest delivery to date and I am one satisfied customer! Keep up the good work and thanks for making my birthday a very memorable one.
Matthias DuBastyra
Imperiadux of House Draconis
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Kylania
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Posted - 2006.04.17 20:36:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Lord Timelord
6. Page 14. I thought that these were supposed to be actually printed out on stock like last time? What gives?
The cardstock postcards last issue were a one time subscription bonus. Each issue is going to have screenshots submitted from players in the part called "Postcards from the Edge" or something.
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Jetzin
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Posted - 2006.04.17 22:14:00 -
[144]
Where can I buy EON with my paypal account? cause I dont have a credit card.. and not planning to get one just for a E-magazine.
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2006.04.18 04:56:00 -
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First EON mag i've bought, I must say, WOW... (No, not world of warcraft).
Impressive stuff CPP, I will be subing to this. Full gloss pages, really nice images, good read overall.
Go here quick as well, considering I live in New Zealand.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.04.18 09:38:00 -
[146]
April 18th and my copy still hasn't arrived. (Southern Germany)
Preordered 1-year subscription equals last copy sent out?
The first two issues took three weeks to arrive and I have seen it in a local game shop for sale without additional delivery costs added on top of the base price.
I can't say that I am happy with the way this is handled.
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Karunel
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Posted - 2006.04.18 11:33:00 -
[147]
An article about eve history and no mention of INO makes me sad. Aside from that, good work Reiisha
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2006.04.18 12:14:00 -
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got mine (Melb, Oz) today.
My quick review:
not read the chronicles yet, so i'llassume they are high quality as always
the graphics upgrade pictures look amazing
reiisha's history thing is great, can't wait to read the next installment
Hellmar and Masha's interviews were insightful
The MC advert kicks ass
some of the other adverts look horrible - low quality screencaps 4tl
the article about the paper models is good
Front cover is friggen awesome - was reading it while eating lunch and the guy next to me wanted to know what star wars film it was from.
Recon guide is handy, might have to go buy one.
all up - 8.5/10 on teh oz scale of coolness
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Skarsnik
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Posted - 2006.04.18 12:57:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Tachy
April 18th and my copy still hasn't arrived. (Southern Germany)
Preordered 1-year subscription equals last copy sent out?
The first two issues took three weeks to arrive and I have seen it in a local game shop for sale without additional delivery costs added on top of the base price.
I can't say that I am happy with the way this is handled.
Instead of blaming CCP/MMM Publishing on 'The Way this is handled', perhaps, just perhaps theres an issue with the people delivering it i.e. the german postal service.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.04.18 13:37:00 -
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A letter or parcel from London is delivered within a day using the same service at base price.
If I rented a car I could fetch it by myself easily within 24h and drive back home with enough sleep not to endanger the car, myself or others.
You know, Germany, France and most other European countries already repaired the damage done to Europe's infrastructure some 60 years ago.
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Megadon
CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray |
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