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christmascaveman
Exploding Camels Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.03 20:31:00 -
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The list of what's available is in the original post |
Jackson Tekitsu
Jita Research Technology
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Posted - 2014.03.03 22:25:00 -
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christmascaveman wrote:The list of what's available is in the original post
Question from a Noob: Delve ZA9-PY -0.80 system rents for 8.5B per month. How large of a corps would be needed to make a profit in a system like this? |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2014.03.04 02:48:00 -
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Jackson Tekitsu wrote:christmascaveman wrote:The list of what's available is in the original post Question from a Noob: Delve ZA9-PY -0.80 system rents for 8.5B per month. How large of a corps would be needed to make a profit in a system like this?
Depends on what tax rate your ratters are willing to accept, and how much they rat. The two things are also not entirely unrelated (ie they'll rat more if the tax is less).
If you have 50 people that rat 2b each at 10% a month, you'll show a handy profit. IMO most corps holding the big rent systems are larger than 50 characters - because of alts, because 1b a month is probably more comfortable average for those that do rat and because when you move to null, not everybody moves (some of them will still pay taxes on highsec mission bounties or whatever so its not always a total loss if they don't live there).
note that due to the way ded signatures work, a solo player can work a 1b or 1.5b rental system and easily pay rent and come up with a few billion in profit a month. 2 or 3 people can also work a similar system if they are agreeing to share the rent burden.
That doesn't however scale to the larger systems at all. the ded plex income doesn't increase greatly and gets diffused amongst your players. The cheaper systems have similar problems, but they are more easily fixed by the CEO just ratting to make ends meet. You might be able to avoid that with 15 active players, but then you'll probably have to manage diplomatic incidents with them roaming.
PI can pay the entire rent in some systems for someone with some dedication to it, and currently no rental cost algorithms value the PI. |
Jackson Tekitsu
Jita Research Technology
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Posted - 2014.03.05 00:23:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:Jackson Tekitsu wrote:christmascaveman wrote:The list of what's available is in the original post Question from a Noob: Delve ZA9-PY -0.80 system rents for 8.5B per month. How large of a corps would be needed to make a profit in a system like this? Depends on what tax rate your ratters are willing to accept, and how much they rat. The two things are also not entirely unrelated (ie they'll rat more if the tax is less).
Thank you very much for taking the time to give such detailed information. |
christmascaveman
Exploding Camels Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.05 05:00:00 -
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I'm back from vacation |
christmascaveman
Exploding Camels Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.05 06:57:00 -
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christmascaveman wrote:Tired of competing for ore , or running the same hi sec mission for the 100th time? The CFC has four regions up for rent as of now with more to follow, with the cheapest being only 500m isk a month The process is straight forward, you pick whatever system(s) you want to rent from our spreadsheet that lists the systems truesec and price, then contact a rental officer at the bottom. We have a renter alliance for you to join, however an entire alliance wanting to rent will be handled on a case by case basis. If no rental officer is online, convo me and I will ping them on jabber to let them know you are interested and answer what questions I can. Rental officers - Clewara, Chinicata Shihari, Dyllyn, Doctor Isikawa (Speaks Russian), Kais Fiddler, Ting Mei (speaks french) System list - http://tinyurl.com/lx3kq5dRental policy - http://tinyurl.com/nwjjc6tinfographic: http://i.imgur.com/ndQKjeZ.jpg
Prices too steep? Message me, I help put together corp merges! Two corps combined have an easier time paying rent with taxes. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2014.03.05 08:08:00 -
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Caveman asked me to post about PI stuff.
I make about 12m a day off a 4 planet system that is no more effort to run than a moon, and since I have an R16 moon to compare, it earns roughly the same daily. All I am doing is extract dual resources -> p2 -> export to factory planet -> p3 -> export and haul to alliance jumpfreighter terminal where the alliance JF service moves the items to Jita for me to sell. P3 is the minimum you'd export (close to best isk/volume which is what affects your JF costs), and by dual resourcing and compressing to P2 straight away my buffers run for weeks before running out of space, so hauling is not a regular requirement (I'm all about the low effort, and not needing 2 characters out here).
note if you own your own COs, there is no export tax, so some stuff that might not work well in highsec will work here. (ie I have the very common dual resource -> p2 for compression and tax reduction type setup), but there is no reason in null you can't export P1s, and only extract 1 resource which leaves you all the grid for extraction and no long links.
Doing it my way would probably max out at 1.3b a month with all 3 characters dedicated to the task, but I'd expect that someone who likes PI could actually make it do better by only extracting 1 resource per planet (as without any taxes on my exports, there is no strong reason why I couldn't export P1s if required).
Also the rules don't prevent you using other pblrd systems for PI, which means you can get a complete PI system running whether or not the system you rent has all the planet types you need. (The big advantage of renting a perfect system with the rarer planet types is that the COs will have other users who pay taxes to you, and you are pretty safe using the t1 dedicated hauler for intra system work, which is again convenient if you intend putting p1s into spaceship holds). |
christmascaveman
Exploding Camels Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.06 06:02:00 -
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BUMP |
christmascaveman
Exploding Camels Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.07 14:12:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:Caveman asked me to post about PI stuff.
I make about 12m a day off a 4 planet system that is no more effort to run than a moon, and since I have an R16 moon to compare, it earns roughly the same daily. All I am doing is extract dual resources -> p2 -> export to factory planet -> p3 -> export and haul to alliance jumpfreighter terminal where the alliance JF service moves the items to Jita for me to sell. P3 is the minimum you'd export (close to best isk/volume which is what affects your JF costs), and by dual resourcing and compressing to P2 straight away my buffers run for weeks before running out of space, so hauling is not a regular requirement (I'm all about the low effort, and not needing 2 characters out here).
note if you own your own COs, there is no export tax, so some stuff that might not work well in highsec will work here. (ie I have the very common dual resource -> p2 for compression and tax reduction type setup), but there is no reason in null you can't export P1s, and only extract 1 resource which leaves you all the grid for extraction and no long links.
Doing it my way would probably max out at 1.3b a month with all 3 characters dedicated to the task, but I'd expect that someone who likes PI could actually make it do better by only extracting 1 resource per planet (as without any taxes on my exports, there is no strong reason why I couldn't export P1s if required).
Also the rules don't prevent you using other pblrd systems for PI, which means you can get a complete PI system running whether or not the system you rent has all the planet types you need. (The big advantage of renting a perfect system with the rarer planet types is that the COs will have other users who pay taxes to you, and you are pretty safe using the t1 dedicated hauler for intra system work, which is again convenient if you intend putting p1s into spaceship holds). thanks |
christmascaveman
Exploding Camels Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.08 16:25:00 -
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bump |
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christmascaveman
Exploding Camels Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.09 18:55:00 -
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bump |
Victini
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Posted - 2014.03.09 19:39:00 -
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Dont recommend dealing with goons for very obvious reasons.. just ask for their reputation |
christmascaveman
Exploding Camels Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.09 20:50:00 -
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There are four regions of renters currently. If you have been hiding under a rock as of late, head to the regions in the spreadsheet in the original post, you'll see people in PBLRD, the renter alliance living there. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.03.10 21:38:00 -
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I have removed a rule breaking post.
Also: Please only bump once per day. Thread locked for 24 hours to compensate.
As per Sell Orders rules: Bumping may only be done once per calendar day. More information can be found in the thread bumping guidelines located here.
As per Sell Orders rules: 8. This forum is for selling items, you may reply to the threads with bids or questions regarding the item. All other posts are off topic and will be removed. ISD Ezwal Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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christmascaveman
Exploding Camels Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.12 01:38:00 -
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bump |
christmascaveman
Exploding Camels Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.13 18:35:00 -
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christmascaveman
Exploding Camels Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.14 17:39:00 -
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christmascaveman
Exploding Camels Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.17 22:05:00 -
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christmascaveman
Exploding Camels Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:05:00 -
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christmascaveman
Exploding Camels Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.23 04:36:00 -
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christmascaveman
Exploding Camels Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.24 19:12:00 -
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christmascaveman
Exploding Camels Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.27 05:03:00 -
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christmascaveman
Exploding Camels Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.28 19:49:00 -
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christmascaveman
Exploding Camels Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.31 20:16:00 -
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christmascaveman
Exploding Camels Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.01 21:37:00 -
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christmascaveman
Exploding Camels Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.03 18:35:00 -
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Bill Sharts
Constipaded Whales
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:23:00 -
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mail sent to your reps. waiting for a reply with cash in hand. |
christmascaveman
Exploding Camels Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.08 21:22:00 -
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bump, I have two corps interested in renting but want to go in with another group to split rent, message me if interested. details in the OP |
christmascaveman
Exploding Camels Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.11 06:16:00 -
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christmascaveman
Exploding Camels Goonswarm Federation
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