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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.11.10 20:43:00 -
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You folks are doing a damned fine job, CCP. Don't be discouraged by the malcontents who, no matter what you do, say or deliver, will never be happy.
Excellent stuff this, can't wait to hop back on to Sisi to take another look-see.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

Written Word
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
102
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Posted - 2011.11.10 21:11:00 -
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Boy, the next expansion after winter is going to suck when you go back to working on vampires |

bornaa
GRiD.
28
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Posted - 2011.11.10 21:14:00 -
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Written Word wrote:Boy, the next expansion after winter is going to suck when you go back to working on vampires
DUST is main thing for next year... DUST comes out in summer... so expect all expansion small and PI oriented... |

Baneken
The New Knighthood The Polaris Syndicate
15
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Posted - 2011.11.10 22:04:00 -
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bornaa wrote:Written Word wrote:Boy, the next expansion after winter is going to suck when you go back to working on vampires DUST is main thing for next year... DUST comes out in summer... so expect all expansion small and PI oriented...
Well PI is going to need some massive improvements to be interesting enough to warrant fighting over it. |

theteck
3
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Posted - 2011.11.11 01:23:00 -
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ya
finnaly something for me ... its very anoying when you have dc
ty very mutch
CCP Guard wrote:War Kitten wrote:Interesting...
I'm very curious to see if it works as worded, or the drones just magically reappear in your drone bay.
If your ship does not warp until the drones fly back, I see many issues:
1) If the drones must cover large distances, your ship will not warp for a long time. 2) To tackle a logoffski pilot, simply tackle his drones and prevent them from returning. 3) A ship with sentry drones out will never warp if he's not in scoop range.
Does it apply to fighters and fighter bombers? Tackling and killing those is a fun way to punish docking ring hot droppers for thinking they're pro. If all they have to do is logoffski to get them back magically, that would suck, and if it prevents them from e-warping when they do log off, it would suck for them.
While I'm a heavy drone user and would prefer not to see my precious little ******** DPS machines get lost, I'd much rather lose them than my ship and think this change leaves a lot of questions to answer. The way it's supposed to work is that the drones do their best to make it back before the ship emergency warps, if they are too far away or being webbed by crafty enemies, they'll simply get left behind. Ships won't postpone emergency warp to wait for drones. The change isn't intended to save all drones but to decrease the number of annoying drone losses. It sort of makes sense that machines as complex as these would have sufficient AI to attempt to stick with their master 
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Cunane Jeran
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Posted - 2011.11.11 01:34:00 -
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I just felt something... I think it was thousands of Gallente cheering in unison. |

Marie Hartinez
Aries Munitions and Defense
27
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Posted - 2011.11.11 01:45:00 -
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Ciar Meara wrote:Logic? Usability? Convenience? Implementation?
What has CCP become!
I know, I'm scared too.... 
But seriously, I'm liking the new direction they appear to be taking and with this new feature, my Gallente heart beats proudly once again. Surrender is still your slightly less painful option. |

Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
6
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Posted - 2011.11.11 03:17:00 -
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Ciar Meara wrote:Logic? Usability? Convenience? Implementation? Dynamite?
What has CCP become!
Fixed to finish the obvious direction this had to be going in. |
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CCP Affinity
C C P C C P Alliance
66

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Posted - 2011.11.11 09:16:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:CCP Guard wrote:The way it's supposed to work is that the drones do their best to make it back before the ship emergency warps, if they are too far away or being webbed by crafty enemies, they'll simply get left behind. Ships won't postpone emergency warp to wait for drones. The change isn't intended to save all drones but to decrease the number of annoying drone losses. It sort of makes sense that machines as complex as these would have sufficient AI to attempt to stick with their master  Fantastic, thank you :) Any chance sentry drones will stop clearing their aggro or command list and picking their own targets too?
CCP Masterplan is currently fixing this issue with the drone AI :) CCP Affinity | Quality Assurance | Team BFF |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
792

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Posted - 2011.11.11 09:22:00 -
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Daedalus Arcova wrote:CCP Guard wrote:The way it's supposed to work is that the drones do their best to make it back before the ship emergency warps, if they are too far away or being webbed by crafty enemies, they'll simply get left behind. Ships won't postpone emergency warp to wait for drones. The change isn't intended to save all drones but to decrease the number of annoying drone losses. It sort of makes sense that machines as complex as these would have sufficient AI to attempt to stick with their master  Even the Devs double-post. Fix the forums, CCP.If drones are sufficiently complex AI to attempt to return to a ship before it e-warps, shouldn't they also be sufficiently complex for pilots to reconnect to them if the connection between ship and drone is lost? Drones have complex AIs, yet you cannot reconnect to them. Probes are just probes, yet you can reconnect to them.
Would you be happy if I told you that that's also going into the Winter Expansion? CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
792

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Posted - 2011.11.11 09:25:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:CCP Guard wrote:The way it's supposed to work is that the drones do their best to make it back before the ship emergency warps, if they are too far away or being webbed by crafty enemies, they'll simply get left behind. Ships won't postpone emergency warp to wait for drones. The change isn't intended to save all drones but to decrease the number of annoying drone losses. It sort of makes sense that machines as complex as these would have sufficient AI to attempt to stick with their master  Could this behavior be extended to any time the user warps off? Hundreds of forgotten drones would thank you!
I'll keep ears to the ground for news on the viability of something like that....I would like that feature and I'm sure many others would too. CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
792

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Posted - 2011.11.11 09:28:00 -
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CCP Affinity wrote:War Kitten wrote:CCP Guard wrote:The way it's supposed to work is that the drones do their best to make it back before the ship emergency warps, if they are too far away or being webbed by crafty enemies, they'll simply get left behind. Ships won't postpone emergency warp to wait for drones. The change isn't intended to save all drones but to decrease the number of annoying drone losses. It sort of makes sense that machines as complex as these would have sufficient AI to attempt to stick with their master  Fantastic, thank you :) Any chance sentry drones will stop clearing their aggro or command list and picking their own targets too? CCP Masterplan is currently fixing this issue with the drone AI :)
CCP Masterplan is a man of the people! All hail! CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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Gilbaron
The Scope Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.11.11 09:29:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:
Would you be happy if I told you that that's also going into the Winter Expansion?
YOU DARE SAY THAT TO THE PARENTS OF THE 1235512340123472138423421421 warriot IIs i lost for various reasons 
imagine how many drone families you destroyed ! how many drone friends have been lost, how many drone babys have grown up without parents !
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Renturu
Tribal Spirit Tribal Unity Alliance
2
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Posted - 2011.11.11 09:52:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:War Kitten wrote:Interesting...
I'm very curious to see if it works as worded, or the drones just magically reappear in your drone bay.
If your ship does not warp until the drones fly back, I see many issues:
1) If the drones must cover large distances, your ship will not warp for a long time. 2) To tackle a logoffski pilot, simply tackle his drones and prevent them from returning. 3) A ship with sentry drones out will never warp if he's not in scoop range.
Does it apply to fighters and fighter bombers? Tackling and killing those is a fun way to punish docking ring hot droppers for thinking they're pro. If all they have to do is logoffski to get them back magically, that would suck, and if it prevents them from e-warping when they do log off, it would suck for them.
While I'm a heavy drone user and would prefer not to see my precious little ******** DPS machines get lost, I'd much rather lose them than my ship and think this change leaves a lot of questions to answer. The way it's supposed to work is that the drones do their best to make it back before the ship emergency warps, if they are too far away or being webbed by crafty enemies, they'll simply get left behind. Ships won't postpone emergency warp to wait for drones. The change isn't intended to save all drones but to decrease the number of annoying drone losses. It sort of makes sense that machines as complex as these would have sufficient AI to attempt to stick with their master 
OK... Who are you? And what did you do with the CCP that we hated and raged about so much. Whatever you are doing, keep it up. 
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mingetek
DustWaffe DUST ALLIANCE
15
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Posted - 2011.11.11 10:02:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Daedalus Arcova wrote:CCP Guard wrote:The way it's supposed to work is that the drones do their best to make it back before the ship emergency warps, if they are too far away or being webbed by crafty enemies, they'll simply get left behind. Ships won't postpone emergency warp to wait for drones. The change isn't intended to save all drones but to decrease the number of annoying drone losses. It sort of makes sense that machines as complex as these would have sufficient AI to attempt to stick with their master  Even the Devs double-post. Fix the forums, CCP.If drones are sufficiently complex AI to attempt to return to a ship before it e-warps, shouldn't they also be sufficiently complex for pilots to reconnect to them if the connection between ship and drone is lost? Drones have complex AIs, yet you cannot reconnect to them. Probes are just probes, yet you can reconnect to them. Would you be happy if I told you that that's also going into the Winter Expansion?
colour me ecstatic :) |

Raptor217
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
13
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Posted - 2011.11.11 10:32:00 -
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CCP actually listening to the complaints of their customers? 
I'm pretty sure this expansion will improve on eve more than the past 2 years have. Bravo. |

Heimdallofasgard
APEX ARDENT COALITION NEM3SIS.
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Posted - 2011.11.11 10:47:00 -
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Baneken wrote:bornaa wrote:Written Word wrote:Boy, the next expansion after winter is going to suck when you go back to working on vampires DUST is main thing for next year... DUST comes out in summer... so expect all expansion small and PI oriented... Well PI is going to need some massive improvements to be interesting enough to warrant fighting over it.
This sums up my opinions on dust pretty damn well. |

Heimdallofasgard
APEX ARDENT COALITION NEM3SIS.
33
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Posted - 2011.11.11 10:51:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:CCP Affinity wrote:War Kitten wrote:CCP Guard wrote:The way it's supposed to work is that the drones do their best to make it back before the ship emergency warps, if they are too far away or being webbed by crafty enemies, they'll simply get left behind. Ships won't postpone emergency warp to wait for drones. The change isn't intended to save all drones but to decrease the number of annoying drone losses. It sort of makes sense that machines as complex as these would have sufficient AI to attempt to stick with their master  Fantastic, thank you :) Any chance sentry drones will stop clearing their aggro or command list and picking their own targets too? CCP Masterplan is currently fixing this issue with the drone AI :) CCP Masterplan is a man of the people! All hail!
CCP Veritas, CCP Diagonis [sic], CCP Masterplan, CCP Guard:
My favorite devs this expansion. |

Elson Tamar
Lion Investments
29
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Posted - 2011.11.11 11:13:00 -
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Ass a drone user, thank you. That is awsome and well thought out. Can i have salvage drones now please? :) |

Marie Hartinez
Aries Munitions and Defense
29
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Posted - 2011.11.11 21:50:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Daedalus Arcova wrote:CCP Guard wrote:The way it's supposed to work is that the drones do their best to make it back before the ship emergency warps, if they are too far away or being webbed by crafty enemies, they'll simply get left behind. Ships won't postpone emergency warp to wait for drones. The change isn't intended to save all drones but to decrease the number of annoying drone losses. It sort of makes sense that machines as complex as these would have sufficient AI to attempt to stick with their master  Even the Devs double-post. Fix the forums, CCP.If drones are sufficiently complex AI to attempt to return to a ship before it e-warps, shouldn't they also be sufficiently complex for pilots to reconnect to them if the connection between ship and drone is lost? Drones have complex AIs, yet you cannot reconnect to them. Probes are just probes, yet you can reconnect to them. Would you be happy if I told you that that's also going into the Winter Expansion?
I would buy you a case of your favorite beverage.
Surrender is still your slightly less painful option. |
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Marie Hartinez
Aries Munitions and Defense
29
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Posted - 2011.11.11 21:55:00 -
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Raptor217 wrote:CCP actually listening to the complaints of their customers?  I'm pretty sure this expansion will improve on eve more than the past 2 years have. Bravo.
While I'm sure CCP is doing everything they can to make this expansion a vast improvement, I can't help but wonder if they're secretly planning a massive troll once the expansion is released.  Surrender is still your slightly less painful option. |

Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.11.11 22:45:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:The way it's supposed to work is that the drones do their best to make it back before the ship emergency warps, if they are too far away or being webbed by crafty enemies, they'll simply get left behind. Ships won't postpone emergency warp to wait for drones. The change isn't intended to save all drones but to decrease the number of annoying drone losses. It sort of makes sense that machines as complex as these would have sufficient AI to attempt to stick with their master 
Excellent change! I was hoping something like this would be implemented.
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
272
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Posted - 2011.11.11 22:51:00 -
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ok, while this is great for unintended DCs why should a successful logoffski get drones back?
this should at least include a check for a user initiated DC or a dropped client at the bare minimum.
sure it could be gamed, brother logoffski could just disconnect the network cable or unplug the router, but at least someone who ctl-Qs shouldn't get a free pass The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |

Adeena Torcfist
Dark Underground Forces
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Posted - 2011.11.12 03:01:00 -
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ive done some testing on this on tranq, so long as ur drones begin the return to your drone bay, & dont make it back before you warp off, when u relog, drones in distant space will still be controllable when you land, to local space.
That also work if they start returning & u warp off, but so long as you dont jump or dock up, you can return to drones to control them.
I think there is a range limit, 100km or 250km, i cant quite remember. Not Returning your drones, & you log off/d/c/warp off, then you will have to slowboat to them & scoop them up.
So this change is much needed. Too bad a tractor beam couldnt be used on idle drones. that would of helped too. |

Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
262
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Posted - 2011.11.14 08:27:00 -
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Utremi Fasolasi wrote:Ciar Meara wrote:Logic? Usability? Convenience? Implementation? Dynamite?
What has CCP become! Fixed to finish the obvious direction this had to be going in.
We'll change the dynamite into Dedication if they hang on for two expansion like this. By then the LUCID development plan name will be warranted. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |

Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.14 08:57:00 -
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This is not good :(
how am i supposed to make my money in game when there is less abandoned drones in the game ?
this is a huge nerf to me !! ill have to actually play the game for crying out loud !!
with this new change i demand that we are now allowed to scan down wrecks.
the lazy among us must be able to have a way to make isk !!
/RAGE!!/ 
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Maggeridon Thoraz
Selectus Pravus Lupus Transmission Lost
4
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Posted - 2011.11.14 11:21:00 -
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Sri Nova wrote:This is not good :( how am i supposed to make my money in game when there is less abandoned drones in the game ? this is a huge nerf to me !! ill have to actually play the game for crying out loud !! with this new change i demand that we are now allowed to scan down wrecks. the lazy among us must be able to have a way to make isk !! /RAGE!!/ 
lol , better make missions reward is higher than scanning down drones... |

bornaa
GRiD.
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Posted - 2011.11.14 22:36:00 -
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"Reconnect to lost drones" anybody???  |

Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERYWHERE
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Posted - 2011.11.14 22:38:00 -
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Now if only my "Drones in space" would stop collapsing after my drones dock...
Wouldn't you like to be my little PWNEE? |

Chokichi Ozuwara
Lucky Dragon Convenience
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Posted - 2012.01.30 08:26:00 -
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Sorry for the necro but did this feature ever happen? I can never get my drones to return at warp time... |
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