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Doris Dents
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:00:00 -
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Just what null needs, more nerfs to people trying to earn a living there. Anom nerfs, inty buff & now every passing gank gang a cut of my efforts. Where does it end? |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1167
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:00:00 -
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Great idea!
However, it should not be a beacon (or maybe the t2 version should not) We are recruiting german-speaking PVP players, contact me :)
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Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
162
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:01:00 -
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Are these restricted by wormholes at all like they are restricted by gates stations? Blue-Fire Best Fire |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8321
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:01:00 -
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CCP is officially ******* stupid. Seriously, how do you come up with such bullshit? Why are you trying to nerf nullsec when it needs to be buffed? Christ... My EVE Videos |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
142
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:01:00 -
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Also, those of you saying "no one will use these things!" are fooling yourselves. Anyone destitute enough to actually shoot red crosses for money in this game will leap willingly into a 5% bounty increase carrot, no matter the risk. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2413
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:04:00 -
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ESS - best social experiment ever
Love you CCP eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Xaarous
Woopatang Primary.
10
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:04:00 -
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My initial thoughts:
1. It's a little weird that the pool stays if the ESS is destroyed or scooped and a different race's ESS replaces it. I would think the pool should be per race, but they all agree that only one can be online at a time in a given system. 2. Can we have info on how long it takes to escalate from 20% to 25%? Is it based on time (how many hours?) or bounties (how much?)? 3. Given the anchoring restrictions, can you confirm that bubbles can still be anchored around the ESS and it's bubble once it's online? 4. What happens if the 40-second Take All timer is interrupted? 5. I'm assuming there will be NPC buy orders for the tags - but where? The same Navy stations, or only some, etc. |
Innominate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
378
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:04:00 -
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Querns wrote:Also, those of you saying "no one will use these things!" are fooling yourselves. Anyone destitute enough to actually shoot red crosses for money in this game will leap willingly into a 5% bounty increase carrot, no matter the risk.
In their current form, any half-intelligent nullsec alliance will ban their use. |
Aurora Fatalis
Blacklight Recon
47
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:05:00 -
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The ESS sounds really odd, and will probably be amazing, as paranoid ratters decide to drop it to warn them of the infamous "AFK cloaker" who is already on grid with them... :D
Few questions:
Did you consider putting the notification on the "take all" request instead of the approach to circumvent the spamming issue?
Will they be bought with LP rather than ISK, and not found in the FW stores? Meaning, only accessible by highsec mission-runners for the navies?
Why did you decide on selling them via vendors rather than have them player-produced?
Why not let the ESS affect bounties from destroyed player ships?
When will the ESS global warp signal be generated? Upon anchoring or successfully onlining?
Will each Empire's ISK tags be monitored? This information could be used in Live Events, for example. |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
142
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:06:00 -
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Yet more questions
What's the target price for an ESS?^H^H^H^H^^^HH^H^H^H^H^H^
Edit: it says how much in the devblog, read/comprehend/post is hard This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
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Georgiy Giggle
REFORD Division REFORD
77
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:06:00 -
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Warde Guildencrantz wrote:Reiterating on lowsec, non-faction warfare lowsec is usually quite empty (except for specific systems) similar to nullsec's emptiness in specific places. Having bubbled ESSes droppable in this area of lowsec would add some PvP value to the systems. I know bubbles aren't usually in lowsec, but this is a static bubble that (if you are well-informed) you should know about beforehand. Georgiy Giggle wrote:ESS is bull ****. Owners of system will get money for nothing. So nullsec will become more empty. Isn't it enought? Most regions are empty cuz ppl only mining moons. So now you wonna nerf life of normal carebears.
I dissargee with such feature. Do not like. They don't automatically get the ISK, you can go grab it before they do. Maybe you have to shoot something occasionally then?
It is still a bull ****. Example: I live in null sec. I'm not a sov holder. I have normal relations with holders. We do not steal, betray o cheat. So why the hell should I pay 5% to EVE Central back for nothing? And owner do not want to have a troubles with SHARING each time money or waiting while some *** will grab it. Or, for example, one fagot come and steal it all? Seems like devs want to make ppl to earn less. Instead of nerfing moon mining you decided you nerf normal players who REALY PLAY and not siting offline for most of time.
So what will be next? Removing of combat sites? So let's all go to empire and leave null sec empty like a field in Africa.
P.S. please give me name of author of ESS and name of his dealer of drugs. Not mastering proprieties, won't become firmly established. - Confucius |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D
357
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:07:00 -
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Finally 0.0 might get fun with ESS. I am really curious how this will work out. |
Enteron Anabente
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:07:00 -
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The ESS seems unnecessarily complicated with 4 identical racial versions. If they're identical in every way except naming, why not just have one? |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5929
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:08:00 -
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There's a lot of things here that assume they're a benefit to the locals, and are not, because this structure is geared entirely towards hostiles in interceptors. It's safe to assume the attacker is always in an interceptor: they can get through bubble camps and outrun any hostile gang and can't be caught without a massive fuckup given current game mechanics.
This means two key features that are intended to protect locals simply don't work. The bubble around the ESS is a hindrance because only ratters will get caught in it, not attackers. The interceptor will land at zero, anyone who tries to catch him will land at 15km and the only thing ratters pack that might hit an inty (warriors) are 15km away.
Additionally, the tags are supposed to be a "this is only worth it if you get out alive". You cannot kill an interceptor who declines to engage under current game mechanics. Once he has the tags, he's got the isk. Because they're so tiny, there's no effort needed to get them out.
"I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |
Baron Deathicon
Outerspace Vanguard Renegade Alliance
40
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:08:00 -
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Hey DEVS,
While this ESS thing sounds like an interesting idea, please make sure you ADD MORE anomalies to nullsec because right now there are so few of them that this ESS thing will just be totally worthless. The spawn rate of anomalies has gotten so bad since Odyssey. Its a good time to fix it now along with your ESS thingy. Thank you. |
Lazei
Magellanic Itg Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:09:00 -
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Enteron Anabente wrote:The ESS seems unnecessarily complicated with 4 identical racial versions. If they're identical in every way except naming, why not just have one?
Probably because they made models for something else that turned out to be complete **** and now they are reusing the models with their unnecessary racial versions for something that they think is less **** (but is still ****). |
Talar Draylan
Hedion University Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:10:00 -
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How about I start paying 95% of the sub fees? |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
1724
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:11:00 -
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Less money for players, more PvP around deployed ESS = more GTC/PLEX sales \o/ |
Schmata Bastanold
The brothers inc Brothers Of The Dark Sun
1261
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:12:00 -
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CCP SoniClover wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:Isn't there any legacy code that could stop you from introducing pointless stuff like ESS and/or MMJD? No, but our long term goal is to have the ESS code become a legacy code that kills good ideas 7 years down the road.
I admire your optimism about being on the market 7 years down the road.
Seriously, what is the point of ESS? Should I deploy it to get 80% bounties + 20% in tags (because, yes, screw everyone else, gimme all your taggies) or should I just do 1 more anom and get 100% of current bounties without thinking about additional trash bin in space? I already rat with dual sentry domis so no ammo consumption just 10 minutes more of my time (which is nothing considering how much time I spend on Eve related activities already).
As for it being offensive module well, good luck putting it in a system where regular ratting is in process and people actually use their space. The moment it will show up on d-scan there will be probes in space, warp at 100km in alphanado and boom. And with neutrals/hostiles in system nobody will rat anyway so good luck with taking rake from bounties. Rats don't kill themselves so ESS is not bounty siphon, you cannot count that nobody will notice it long enough for you to come back and collect. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
142
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:12:00 -
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A thing a lot of you naysayers are missing is that anyone can deploy these ESSes in a system. Say I've got an inkling for messing with folks. I duckwalk into a system owned by hostiles and deploy my own ESS. Suddenly, I am sapping 20% of the bounties of the system. If you are a sovhaver, you have to deploy these items defensively to prevent this from happening to your systems, unless you want your space to be worth four-fifths of its current value. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
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SpaceSaft
Schroedingers Fluffy Kitty Asylum
33
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:13:00 -
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Oh wow that sounds really cool. I'm very happy with the way this whole Rubicon thing is taking. If the next expansions give us more of this and go in the same direction... I'd like that. That's going to be very interesting.
To everyone who doesn't like these changes I'm going to reach deep into the usual circlejerk bag and say:
Dem tears. Can I haz your stuff? Besides that I also hold the opinion that CCP should make a PC version for Dust 514. |
Innominate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
381
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:14:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:Less cash for players, more PvP around deployed ESS = more GTC/PLEX sales \o/
That's not really the point of most of the posts here. A nerf to bounties or a bounty-siphon isn't a nonsensical idea. The issue is that the ESS in its current form is a 5% nerf to bounties combined with a poorly designed yet overly complicated bounty-siphon, both of which could be implemented in a simpler, more straightforward way.
The dev blog seems to indicate the expectation that people will voluntarily set up the ESS, which is both laughable and foreboding. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8323
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:14:00 -
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Querns wrote:A thing a lot of you naysayers are missing is that anyone can deploy these ESSes in a system. Say I've got an inkling for messing with folks. I duckwalk into a system owned by hostiles and deploy my own ESS. Suddenly, I am sapping 20% of the bounties of the system. If you are a sovhaver, you have to deploy these items defensively to prevent this from happening to your systems, unless you want your space to be worth four-fifths of its current value. So what? Anyone can still take them, and it doesn't take a genius to see that aggressors in interceptors are going to be the ones going around and taking all of the bounties. My EVE Videos |
Xaarous
Woopatang Primary.
11
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:14:00 -
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New Question: Where does Corp Tax rate factor into this system? Is it applied to the 95%/80%, or is it still applied to the original 100%? Does it apply to the 20-20% when someone does the 'share' option? I assume it's ignored for the purposes of tags. |
Kadl
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
64
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:14:00 -
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The dev blog seems to imply that ESS are bought from the empires as objects, not as blueprints or blueprint copies. If that is correct, is there a good reason for removing the manufacturing opportunity? |
Aurora Fatalis
Blacklight Recon
48
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:15:00 -
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I don't mind the nerf, but the 95% listed bounty payout seems like bad UI design. Why is the UI lying? |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5931
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:15:00 -
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I gotta say, this was already going to be an iffy proposition without a flat nerf to 0.0 that wasn't really required for it to function. It is not a good idea to go "we made 0.0 riskier, but look, we gave you a nerf too!" "I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8323
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:16:00 -
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Where's the highsec version of this? Oh right I forgot, daddy CCP is caving to the carebears once again and declaring the MTU drones thing to be a bug. Poor highsec doesn't need anybody interrupting their isk faucets. My EVE Videos |
aoeu Itonula
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:16:00 -
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Querns wrote:A thing a lot of you naysayers are missing is that anyone can deploy these ESSes in a system. Say I've got an inkling for messing with folks. I duckwalk into a system owned by hostiles and deploy my own ESS. Suddenly, I am sapping 20% of the bounties of the system. If you are a sovhaver, you have to deploy these items defensively to prevent this from happening to your systems, unless you want your space to be worth four-fifths of its current value. good troll in the time it takes for a neutral interceptor gang to enter the system and scoop the tags, you can't form a fleet to stop them. it's better value to not have one deployed, stop ratting when the bad guys get there, and form up a fleet to take down their ESS. |
Vereesa
Gallivanting Travel Company Rebel Alliance of New Eden
3
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Posted - 2014.01.14 16:17:00 -
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The ESS is effectively free candy for interceptors. If anyone deploys them they're braindead.
The variations on the Siphon units look good though. |
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