Ehh, even though we both support the same thing, I still have to fundamentally disagree. If APWTZ would actually destroy an entire well-established segment of gameplay, I'd be skeptical to endorse its implementation. The thing is, it doesn't.

The key is not to tell people that they're wrong, it's to find out why people disagree, and figure out if their objections are valid or not. In this case, I don't think they are. If I were a suicide ganker, hell, I'll take "frequent AFK at destination" over "infrequent AFK at 15 and approaching the gate".

Seriously, there is absolutely no problem with warping the way it is now, you're just a lazy idiot.

I've addressed your other objections in previous posts, but in regards to this, I could've said the same about clickfest-era PI.

They're probably concerned, as most people are, about if this would make the game "too safe". But the whole premise on APWTZ being "too safe" is based on the premise that there are a ton of people using APWTF. There aren't.

Greetings capsuleer,

This is a mandated safety measure when activating your autopilot.

On crowded gates, especially when moving through high traffic systems such as Jita, CONCORD requires a ship flying on auto-pilot to warp to 15km and approach the gate at sublight speed.

Of course, with the full neural interface of a capsuleer in control of the ship you are allowed to warp to 0km as you have the boosted reactions and decision making to handle those scenarios.

I would caution against relying entirely on the machine. Pilots can adapt; a machine not so readily.

AP WTZ would make travel which is already fairly quick even quicker

I haul crap in freighters, it takes forever, its annoying, and it means I have to switch to my other EVE client about once every two minutes.

I'm sorry you feel that highsec is booring. If it's so booring for you, then I think you need to leave highsec. Also, there is no such thing as a real/not real game in eve. It's a sandbox game. There is no end game. The game is whatever you want it to be. The only thing apwt15 is doing right now is making me avoid travelling at all costs.

If I want to stay safe, I know damn well that wtz is not the answer. I've been to lowsec, and I've been to 0.0. Yes, it's fun, but it's time consuming. I don't have that much time to play anymore, and that throws those sort of group activities out the window.

Nope, I never played guild wars. And you say I should stop crying because I want to have my gamestyle override other gamestyles. Well, I'll play it differently. I just don't want other people's playstyles add a timesink to my gamestyle. And it's only there because of lazy gankers whining about it since wtz was introduced.

Removing apwt15 would not i nany way override anyones gamestyle. It would just provide more of a challange.

Are you and I traveling through the same Jita gates? I see tons of people on autopilot.

CCP is taking away insurance payout if you are CONCORD'd.

Dear CCP,

With all the stuff that you are fixing, can you remove the autopilot-not-warping-to-zero "feature" as well?

It is obviously outdated and plain stupid.

Tired Finger

Can I get a citation on this? If it's true, it's about ******* time.

We took the insurance out because having it was silly. It's like a double reward when you gank someone, you get their cargo and insurance. It won't stop suicide ganking, it just fixes something we haven't really felt made sense for a long time.

I'm sure we would be much safer if the denizens of New Eden developed instant teleportation. I mean why not? All it does is remove the travel time, and I don't care about suicide gankers opinion, so that should be implemented. It'll make the game much more profitable and fun for industrialists!

If you don't want to sit at your keyboard and play the game then either a) you're in the wrong profession within Eve or b) this isn't the game for you.

but saying "Mine is the only one that matters, I don't care about gankers"

(and "It's boring" isn't a valid reason, or PI would be completely automated for me)

If you're going to pick an analogy, pick one that makes sense. Instant teleportation would utterly destroy any and all sense of local economy, along with making haulers almost completely redundant.

Tell that to the miners.

Honestly, I don't care much about the gankers, and I believe the needs of many outweigh the needs of a few, but even if we were to take the desires of gankers in top priority, they still wouldn't suffer from this change because you'd get a ton more people autopiloting AFK everywhere in highsec, which would mean a ton more people sitting AFK at their destination.

But.. PI did get majorly reworked because it was considered tedious.

If you want fast travel times with little risk, there are plenty of games that have that. EVE shouldn't be one of them.

And of course, what's to stop people from demanding that AP dock them as well?

Dear CCP,

With all the stuff that you are fixing, can you remove the autopilot-not-warping-to-zero "feature" as well?

It is obviously outdated and plain stupid.

Tired Finger

How, exactly, is APWTZ safer or faster than manned WTZ?


I long ago learned to counter slippery slope with reductio ad absurdum. Don't tempt me.

APWTZ isn't faster, but it allows you to multitask more efficiently, which I'm opposed to in EVE.

No, travelling is an incredibly booring chore. It's like being at work with a super slow computer trying to do some spreadheets: click, wait, click, wait, click, wait... Doesn't require any skill what so ever, and thus can not in any way be classed as playing a game.

And supposedly there's a reward, which is supposedly that you get there sooner. I see it differently. If you don't do it, you get punished by increasing your travel time.

And you say too lazy highsec noob that wants the game to play for you, and you use real life analogies. Oh dear. You know what I think, I think it's the lazy suicide gankers who don't want to expend any effort in getting their ganks.

7/10 I'm actually mad. There's a reason your Eve interface resembles an OS UI that was originally designed explicitly for multitasking.

Occasionally looking away from chat or market to right click warp click jump is not a lot of work, so why make it that extra step easier.

As a "high sec carebear" I say leave it as is.

If your ship and/or cargo is that valuable, then pay attention and fly it manually.

Empire is safe enough...there should be some room for "error" and facepalm moments.

you just trollin? I cant believe my eyes,,, a highsec carebear with a brain... what?