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Lyn Farel
Kitzless
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Posted - 2014.01.01 11:32:00 -
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Constantin Baracca wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Anabella Rella wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:History tends to disagree... Since you're apparently now speaking for history, prove your statement. What the hell are you talking about? Shakor is the prime example of it, but not the only one. Tribe enforced politics hints to possibly more Abel Jareks, or Colelie Incidents, which either directly or indirectly stem from it. Ms Saissoire gives good potential scenarios that can directly stem from such policies. It does not mean that the system is bad, or good, per se, as all have seen what can happen with other types of governments. Also, one has to wonder if chief Acassa Midular is genuinely interested in power to the tribes or if she is just playing on the fad of the moment to get on Shakor's own ideological field. I remember the Ray of Matar to be rather pro Republican... A political sentiment that is slowly fading out in the current "Republic". While that may be the case, I have a tendency to believe Acassa Midular at her word on this. Not only because she's proven rather forthright previously, but mostly because the late former Midular needed the tribes to be unified, to present a front to the rest of the universe. It was in their interest to maintain peace. Recent events may be leaving the new Sebiestor chief pondering whether unity under Shakor is a good idea, especially considering the fact that his somewhat less pleasant reputation is harming the Sebiestor along with everyone else. In short, perhaps the waste of the Elder Fleet, the Colelie incident, and others, it would seem Acassa doesn't have faith in the current administration to adequately represent all the tribes collectively. So perhaps she thinks she can function better with her tribe on her own. Or perhaps this is a play for power on her part so that she doesn't have to cowtow to Shakor. It's difficult to say. I've never met the woman.
That possibility also exists, indeed. It only makes sense that if she really is opposed to Shakor's unity over the tribes for her to push in the other direction, which means decentralization and power restored into the hands of the tribes.
However, Maleatu Shakor is also a firm proponent of tribal governance, only that the power has to be concentrated into the Tribal Council. Where some tribe leaders like Acassa Midular (in our hypothesis here) could actually favour the same tribal flavour where only said flavour is similar in essence : I believe if this is true, then her form of tribal decentralization puts the power on something closer to a Minmatar confederation of tribes rather than the current federation of tribes united under the "Sanmatar".
Which is a world of difference in itself.
All in all, is Acassa Midular genuinely interested in maximizing tribal autonomy (in favour of a Minmatar confederation) or just following the current tribal fad while actually following the footsteps of the Ray of Matar (in favour of a Republic where tribal influence stops at the cultural level) ?
In any case, Shakor political line stands somewhere in between. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4080
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Posted - 2014.01.01 14:33:00 -
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Minmatar Tribal Assembly Closes After Ratifying New Political Order
Well there you go.
Looks like the Minmatar don't get to individually hide behind a voting booth curtain to rob each other. They get tribal chiefs to hide behind, but that's at least down to a handful of people who know it's their ass when things go wrong.
We need more autonomous systems. This is one of them.
As for the hand-wringing in the Federation, well while we are not like the Amarrians there are a lot of zealots here, and their religion is statism, the deity of which is "democracy". The Minmatar are tired of it, for it has not worked out well for their society. The Federation labors under this mob rule as well. We were promised "representation" and got mob rule. Nothing here is a surprise.
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Jace Sarice
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre ZT-07K Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
24
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Posted - 2014.01.01 16:27:00 -
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I see no downside to the tribes gaining any facet of autonomy, including autonomy from the will of voters. May this change encourage a return of focus to their own ideals instead of the ideals of others. |
Kyllsa Siikanen
Gradient Electus Matari
159
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Posted - 2014.01.01 16:41:00 -
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For the main course, I was given promises of a return to government of, by, and for the Tribe... and enough of this silly democracy nonsense as dessert?
This meal could scarcely grow more delicious. GÇ£Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.GÇ¥-á
GÇò C.S. Lewis-á |
James Syagrius
Syndicated Ice
719
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Posted - 2014.01.01 16:57:00 -
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The tribals as a civilization won the right to choose, yes even wrongly. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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Tabor Murn
Stormcrows
41
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Posted - 2014.01.01 17:20:00 -
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Happy ******* new year to us! |
Kyllsa Siikanen
Gradient Electus Matari
160
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Posted - 2014.01.01 17:23:00 -
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Tabor Murn wrote:Happy ******* new year to us!
Happy new year, Indeed!!! GÇ£Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.GÇ¥-á
GÇò C.S. Lewis-á |
Gosakumori Noh
Viziam Amarr Empire
409
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Posted - 2014.01.01 18:05:00 -
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Oh, it makes me all warm and fuzzy, particularly the fact that is was a Krusual (who I did so champion, what has it been, now, almost two years ago?) which got to grunt publicly on the subject. I don't imagine there is a Matari halfwit that could state what it means to be a "tribe" in an articulate fashion, but one beauty of tribalism is that the primitive little savages don't actually have to know what a tribe is for the benefits to accrue to interested parties. |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
863
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Posted - 2014.01.01 19:09:00 -
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I am curious to hear more about the precise role of the Republic parliament past this reform.
As it reads, it looks like a mere puppet of the Tribal Council... |
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
733
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Posted - 2014.01.01 19:35:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Minmatar Tribal Assembly Closes After Ratifying New Political OrderWell there you go. Looks like the Minmatar don't get to individually hide behind a voting booth curtain to rob each other. They get tribal chiefs to hide behind, but that's at least down to a handful of people who know it's their ass when things go wrong. We need more autonomous systems. This is one of them. As for the hand-wringing in the Federation, well while we are not like the Amarrians there are a lot of zealots here, and their religion is statism, the deity of which is "democracy". The Minmatar are tired of it, for it has not worked out well for their society. The Federation labors under this mob rule as well. We were promised "representation" and got mob rule. Nothing here is a surprise.
It would appear that the Matari tribes have begun to chafe under the power of the Sanmatar. This is a fairly significant political shift. It does effectively cut the feet off of Shakor. I suppose this means that you can have different dealings in different parts of the Republic with the different tribes.
I have to admit, though there may be wider political ramifications, there are no personal downsides to this for my diocese. This will actually make diplomacy quite a bit easier. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
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Ayallah
Sniggwaffe WAFFLES.
69
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Posted - 2014.01.01 20:02:00 -
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Constantin Baracca wrote:bors under this mob rule as well. We were promised "representation" and got mob rule. Nothing here is a surprise.
It would appear that the Matari tribes have begun to chafe under the power of the Sanmatar. This is a fairly significant political shift. It does effectively cut the feet off of Shakor. I suppose this means that you can have different dealings in different parts of the Republic with the different tribes.
I have to admit, though there may be wider political ramifications, there are no personal downsides to this for my diocese. This will actually make diplomacy quite a bit easier.[/quote]
There is no 'chafing' or 'political shift.'
This is the conclusion of the Tribal assembly started nearly a year ago who's purpose was to define how the Minmatar Republic would be governed. And it shows just how completely ignorant most of the nonsense that gets spouted about the Republic is. Well here you have it, the Republic has created itself and not as a dictator ruled puppet government as everyone seemed to think it was but as a near mirror of the Minmatar Empire, a government ruled by the Tribes reunited.
This is a glorious day for the Republic, the Tribes, and all Matari.
-áFear The Tribes |
Jelani Akinyemi Affonso
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2014.01.01 20:42:00 -
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Constantin Baracca wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Minmatar Tribal Assembly Closes After Ratifying New Political OrderWell there you go. Looks like the Minmatar don't get to individually hide behind a voting booth curtain to rob each other. They get tribal chiefs to hide behind, but that's at least down to a handful of people who know it's their ass when things go wrong. We need more autonomous systems. This is one of them. As for the hand-wringing in the Federation, well while we are not like the Amarrians there are a lot of zealots here, and their religion is statism, the deity of which is "democracy". The Minmatar are tired of it, for it has not worked out well for their society. The Federation labors under this mob rule as well. We were promised "representation" and got mob rule. Nothing here is a surprise. It would appear that the Matari tribes have begun to chafe under the power of the Sanmatar. This is a fairly significant political shift. It does effectively cut the feet off of Shakor. I suppose this means that you can have different dealings in different parts of the Republic with the different tribes. I have to admit, though there may be wider political ramifications, there are no personal downsides to this for my diocese. This will actually make diplomacy quite a bit easier.
or you know, you could just admit your perceive reality (utter nonsense) and true reality did not match. I am sure if the Sanmatar was a dictator he would have acted like one.
Recent events should have showed you the difference between a true dictator (i.e Heth), and one who is perceived to be one because many did not like him , but let bygones be bygones.
Oh and Tobias Efrit, you made my day. Basically a big "F U" to some in the Federation.
This news is certainly a late christmas present to all of us in the Republic.
Happy New Year to both friends and enemies alike!
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4080
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Posted - 2014.01.01 22:16:00 -
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Jelani Akinyemi Affonso wrote:Constantin Baracca wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Minmatar Tribal Assembly Closes After Ratifying New Political OrderWell there you go. Looks like the Minmatar don't get to individually hide behind a voting booth curtain to rob each other. They get tribal chiefs to hide behind, but that's at least down to a handful of people who know it's their ass when things go wrong. We need more autonomous systems. This is one of them. As for the hand-wringing in the Federation, well while we are not like the Amarrians there are a lot of zealots here, and their religion is statism, the deity of which is "democracy". The Minmatar are tired of it, for it has not worked out well for their society. The Federation labors under this mob rule as well. We were promised "representation" and got mob rule. Nothing here is a surprise. It would appear that the Matari tribes have begun to chafe under the power of the Sanmatar. This is a fairly significant political shift. It does effectively cut the feet off of Shakor. I suppose this means that you can have different dealings in different parts of the Republic with the different tribes. I have to admit, though there may be wider political ramifications, there are no personal downsides to this for my diocese. This will actually make diplomacy quite a bit easier. or you know, you could just admit your perceive reality (utter nonsense) and true reality did not match. I am sure if the Sanmatar was a dictator he would have acted like one. Recent events should have showed you the difference between a true dictator (i.e Heth), and one who is perceived to be one because many did not like him , but let bygones be bygones. Oh and Tobias Efrit, you made my day. Basically a big "F U" to some in the Federation. This news is certainly a late christmas present to all of us in the Republic. Happy New Year to both friends and enemies alike!
I never said the Sanmatar was being a dictator. The Republic should be run the way the people want it run, and a government that is closer to their existing tribal structure would suit them better. I agree with what's going on. A monolithic society can seek a governing style that suits them all the best.
As for a big "F U" to the Federation, the Federation put itself in a place to deserve it. I don't know where you get the notion that I expect something wrong to come of this. The more factions seeking their own governance in the world the better. If a day comes where all space is under one system of rule, then every bastard and his brother will work day and night to co-opt and corrupt it.
Edit: ah I see that was a reply to someone else. Forgive me I was up late last night and had too much of that homemade stuff from Intaki that my cousin Zeke makes with hydraulic fluid and oxidized tritanium still has me seeing double. We got so drunk I had to pull Zeke off the fedo. |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
697
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Posted - 2014.01.02 00:14:00 -
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I don't know why Gallenteans are expected to care that the Minmatar have reorganized their interstellar polity to more accurately represent their tribal customs. What difference does it make on us? |
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
733
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Posted - 2014.01.02 04:24:00 -
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Jelani Akinyemi Affonso wrote:Constantin Baracca wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Minmatar Tribal Assembly Closes After Ratifying New Political OrderWell there you go. Looks like the Minmatar don't get to individually hide behind a voting booth curtain to rob each other. They get tribal chiefs to hide behind, but that's at least down to a handful of people who know it's their ass when things go wrong. We need more autonomous systems. This is one of them. As for the hand-wringing in the Federation, well while we are not like the Amarrians there are a lot of zealots here, and their religion is statism, the deity of which is "democracy". The Minmatar are tired of it, for it has not worked out well for their society. The Federation labors under this mob rule as well. We were promised "representation" and got mob rule. Nothing here is a surprise. It would appear that the Matari tribes have begun to chafe under the power of the Sanmatar. This is a fairly significant political shift. It does effectively cut the feet off of Shakor. I suppose this means that you can have different dealings in different parts of the Republic with the different tribes. I have to admit, though there may be wider political ramifications, there are no personal downsides to this for my diocese. This will actually make diplomacy quite a bit easier. or you know, you could just admit your perceive reality (utter nonsense) and true reality did not match. I am sure if the Sanmatar was a dictator he would have acted like one. Recent events should have showed you the difference between a true dictator (i.e Heth), and one who is perceived to be one because many did not like him , but let bygones be bygones. Oh and Tobias Efrit, you made my day. Basically a big "F U" to some in the Federation. This news is certainly a late christmas present to all of us in the Republic. Happy New Year to both friends and enemies alike!
I would say that you've somehow conflated dictatorial government with invincible government, they never are. I'd say the Amarrian Empire is the closest fit to a dictatorial system of government, and no one would say that the power and will of the Empress is unlimited, even in our space. That's just not how the universe works. Simply because Shakor has no immediate way to fight back against the Tribal Council doesn't mean he has no desire to or wouldn't make it happen if he had the resources. Or won't in the future, I would imagine; these things have a tendency to draw out.
As far as Shakor goes, it's fairly obvious that the Tribes felt he had far too much authority. Indeed, the article itself says critics within the Republic were calling his reign dictatorial. But, just as Heth could be removed by the combined efforts of the CEP, the tribal chiefs decided to remove his fangs. It seems fairly uncontroversial to say that he made some decisions on his own authority that wouldn't be agreed upon by the Tribal Council. Apparently, they'd had enough and thought it would be better to remove his hand from government.
Time will tell if that proves to be successful. One thing I don't see in that story is Shakor's reaction to the news. Perhaps we will know in a few days? "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
Ayallah
Sniggwaffe WAFFLES.
70
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Posted - 2014.01.02 06:31:00 -
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Constantin Baracca wrote:
I would say that you've somehow conflated dictatorial government with invincible government, they never are. I'd say the Amarrian Empire is the closest fit to a dictatorial system of government, and no one would say that the power and will of the Empress is unlimited, even in our space. That's just not how the universe works. Simply because Shakor has no immediate way to fight back against the Tribal Council doesn't mean he has no desire to or wouldn't make it happen if he had the resources. Or won't in the future, I would imagine; these things have a tendency to draw out.
As far as Shakor goes, it's fairly obvious that the Tribes felt he had far too much authority. Indeed, the article itself says critics within the Republic were calling his reign dictatorial. But, just as Heth could be removed by the combined efforts of the CEP, the tribal chiefs decided to remove his fangs. It seems fairly uncontroversial to say that he made some decisions on his own authority that wouldn't be agreed upon by the Tribal Council. Apparently, they'd had enough and thought it would be better to remove his hand from government.
Time will tell if that proves to be successful. One thing I don't see in that story is Shakor's reaction to the news. Perhaps we will know in a few days?
Until today we had no official government. And the Sanmatar took part in the deliberations in where his powers were determined. Powers which mirror the traditional and intended powers of the Sanmatar.
Everyone wants to see him as a dictator, he just proved you wrong by not seizing power. -áFear The Tribes |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1349
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Posted - 2014.01.02 07:10:00 -
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Ayallah wrote:Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Tribal autonomy from the Republic or autonomy from the Brutor Tribe and Sanmatar Shakor that effectively controls it? Flatly untrue.
I would agree, but only due to the present reformation of political power in the Minmatar Republic that I believe better represents the will of the Minmatar people and forms an effective distribution of power within the Republic to preserve both the cultural heritage of the Minmatar and ensure that Tribal and ethnic pluralism is maintained within the borders of the Republic through the Tribal Assembly.
I retract my comment in question due to overarching political developments and congratulate the Seven Tribes of Matar in their wisdom to abandon the corruption and cultural anathema that liberal democracy represents for all peoples who truly value their ethnic and cultural heritage.
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Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
149
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Posted - 2014.01.02 08:02:00 -
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I applaud the new direction taken by the Tribes, and, as ever, wish them the best on the course they travel. |
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
733
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Posted - 2014.01.02 13:54:00 -
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Ayallah wrote:Constantin Baracca wrote:
I would say that you've somehow conflated dictatorial government with invincible government, they never are. I'd say the Amarrian Empire is the closest fit to a dictatorial system of government, and no one would say that the power and will of the Empress is unlimited, even in our space. That's just not how the universe works. Simply because Shakor has no immediate way to fight back against the Tribal Council doesn't mean he has no desire to or wouldn't make it happen if he had the resources. Or won't in the future, I would imagine; these things have a tendency to draw out.
As far as Shakor goes, it's fairly obvious that the Tribes felt he had far too much authority. Indeed, the article itself says critics within the Republic were calling his reign dictatorial. But, just as Heth could be removed by the combined efforts of the CEP, the tribal chiefs decided to remove his fangs. It seems fairly uncontroversial to say that he made some decisions on his own authority that wouldn't be agreed upon by the Tribal Council. Apparently, they'd had enough and thought it would be better to remove his hand from government.
Time will tell if that proves to be successful. One thing I don't see in that story is Shakor's reaction to the news. Perhaps we will know in a few days?
Until today we had no official government. And the Sanmatar took part in the deliberations in where his powers were determined. Powers which mirror the traditional and intended powers of the Sanmatar. Everyone wants to see him as a dictator, he just proved you wrong by not seizing power.
Perhaps our perspectives are different. I personally don't take politics at face value, so I have every reason to believe he didn't debate his own political castration as well as you might believe. Maybe he did and I've simply become a bit cynical as it pertains to more fluid forms of government, but it really doesn't have much to do with Shakor himself. That opinion simply comes from my understanding of human behavior. The Tribal Council wouldn't have united on such an issue at this moment if it didn't have anything to do with Shakor personally, and I simply don't believe Shakor would kindly shrug away any platform his position really gives him and simply become a rubber-stamping bureaucrat for the Tribal Council.
As I said, perhaps I've simply become cynical. It seems that a lot of elected government leaders have tendencies to get elected with every intention of doing their jobs within the confines of their position, then spend all their time in office stretching out those limitations as best they can. I suppose you can say that also happens in the Amarrian government, power holders always seem to jostle and jockey for position, never content with their position and lot in life.
I suppose that's why, in the end, I support the decision for tribal autonomy. Popular government has a bad tendency to get bogged down in that populism. At least tribal leaders will be able to do what is right for their tribes, no matter if it is unpopular, rather than having one man have to play to popular opinion. There's nothing worse for good governance than giving someone the unlimited capacity to do the wrong thing for the right reason, save perhaps if that person manufactures the reasons those things are done. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
Myyona
Ataraxia Pharmacies
61
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Posted - 2014.01.02 13:55:00 -
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This is a pleasant and much appreciated development of the Republic. Hopefully this will finally enable us to start handling our domestic problems, and no more waste resources on needless aggression against foreign entities. CEO - Ataraxia Pharmacies Personal Biography |
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Ayallah
Sniggwaffe WAFFLES.
70
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Posted - 2014.01.02 18:57:00 -
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Constantin Baracca wrote: Perhaps our perspectives are different. I personally don't take politics at face value, so I have every reason to believe he didn't debate his own political castration as well as you might believe. Maybe he did and I've simply become a bit cynical as it pertains to more fluid forms of government, but it really doesn't have much to do with Shakor himself. That opinion simply comes from my understanding of human behavior. The Tribal Council wouldn't have united on such an issue at this moment if it didn't have anything to do with Shakor personally, and I simply don't believe Shakor would kindly shrug away any platform his position really gives him and simply become a rubber-stamping bureaucrat for the Tribal Council.
As I said, perhaps I've simply become cynical. It seems that a lot of elected government leaders have tendencies to get elected with every intention of doing their jobs within the confines of their position, then spend all their time in office stretching out those limitations as best they can. I suppose you can say that also happens in the Amarrian government, power holders always seem to jostle and jockey for position, never content with their position and lot in life.
I suppose that's why, in the end, I support the decision for tribal autonomy. Popular government has a bad tendency to get bogged down in that populism. At least tribal leaders will be able to do what is right for their tribes, no matter if it is unpopular, rather than having one man have to play to popular opinion. There's nothing worse for good governance than giving someone the unlimited capacity to do the wrong thing for the right reason, save perhaps if that person manufactures the reasons those things are done.
I suppose it is possible, I was not privy to the deliberations of the Chiefs.
But for me, a man who keeps his word should be treated as a man that keeps his word. Never mention the difficulties he may have had for they are his own.
But I am content with difference of opinion. -áFear The Tribes |
James Syagrius
Syndicated Ice
719
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Posted - 2014.01.02 19:17:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:I don't know why Gallenteans are expected to care that the Minmatar have reorganized their interstellar polity to more accurately represent their tribal customs. What difference does it make on us? A considerable interest, considering the military, financial and societal support the Federation has expended.
Lets not forget the un-assimilated Matar populations within the Federation and the "tribals" loose attitude regarding "citizenship" and rule of law.
All that effort just to watch a civilization take a step backwards. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3135
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Posted - 2014.01.02 19:54:00 -
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You really must get better at understanding that there is no 'one-size-fits-all' governmental system, James. Federal Democracy didn't work for the Caldari, it doesn't work for the Matari, it wouldn't work for the Amarrians.
One of the benefits of being Culturally Isolationist, is that I don't expect my culture's answers to work for jaijii. |
Del Vikus
Gradient Electus Matari
94
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Posted - 2014.01.02 20:03:00 -
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James Syagrius wrote:Lets not forget the un-assimilated Matar populations within the Federation and the "tribals" loose attitude regarding "citizenship" and rule of law.
All that effort just to watch a civilization take a step backwards.
Oh look, racism!
Pluralist society welcomes Savage People with Different Outlooks on Life into its Society; Pluralists, after considerable efforts to civilize Savage People with Different Outlooks on Life decide that Pluralism is only OK if you are Pluralist (Within Acceptable Parameters). |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
4206
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Posted - 2014.01.02 20:24:00 -
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Let's get it over with and have Mentas and Shakor fight it out cage match style.
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Lyn Farel
Kitzless
864
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Posted - 2014.01.02 20:24:00 -
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Ayallah wrote:. And the Sanmatar took part in the deliberations in where his powers were determined.
The "Sanmatar" has no power without the support of the tribes. Him being present and taking part is meaningless. |
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
734
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Posted - 2014.01.02 20:45:00 -
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Ayallah wrote:Constantin Baracca wrote: Perhaps our perspectives are different. I personally don't take politics at face value, so I have every reason to believe he didn't debate his own political castration as well as you might believe. Maybe he did and I've simply become a bit cynical as it pertains to more fluid forms of government, but it really doesn't have much to do with Shakor himself. That opinion simply comes from my understanding of human behavior. The Tribal Council wouldn't have united on such an issue at this moment if it didn't have anything to do with Shakor personally, and I simply don't believe Shakor would kindly shrug away any platform his position really gives him and simply become a rubber-stamping bureaucrat for the Tribal Council.
As I said, perhaps I've simply become cynical. It seems that a lot of elected government leaders have tendencies to get elected with every intention of doing their jobs within the confines of their position, then spend all their time in office stretching out those limitations as best they can. I suppose you can say that also happens in the Amarrian government, power holders always seem to jostle and jockey for position, never content with their position and lot in life.
I suppose that's why, in the end, I support the decision for tribal autonomy. Popular government has a bad tendency to get bogged down in that populism. At least tribal leaders will be able to do what is right for their tribes, no matter if it is unpopular, rather than having one man have to play to popular opinion. There's nothing worse for good governance than giving someone the unlimited capacity to do the wrong thing for the right reason, save perhaps if that person manufactures the reasons those things are done.
I suppose it is possible, I was not privy to the deliberations of the Chiefs. But for me, a man who keeps his word should be treated as a man that keeps his word. Never mention the difficulties he may have had for they are his own. But I am content with difference of opinion.
Among my people, differences of opinion aren't such a bad thing. I may think you're wrong, but to be honest, I really hope you're right. Even if I am right, there really isn't any pleasure in being right about something bad.
So, here's hoping I've underestimated the depth of my cynicism, or at least man's ability to rise above the situation.
I think it's more telling that, despite what everyone thinks of Shakor, good or ill, nearly everyone agrees that this is the best way forward for the Matari. It isn't often so many people agree on something of such large proportions.
At least I've yet to hear more than a voice or two of polite opposition. It just seems like it's easier to deal with the Matari on a less politically vague level. A large, populist government simply didn't work well to represent them to the rest of the cluster. If there's anything that kept Shakor from becoming the next Heth, it's probably that the Matari don't always tend to close ranks. A Matari associate of mine once told me, "If everyone stands shoulder to shoulder, and you smell ****, somebody has to turn around and see who it was that **** it." "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
77
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Posted - 2014.01.02 20:51:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Let's get it over with and have Mentas and Shakor fight it out cage match style. Knifes and knuckles, that would be a fun match. |
Ayallah
Sniggwaffe WAFFLES.
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Posted - 2014.01.03 01:05:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:
The "Sanmatar" has no power without the support of the tribes. Him being present and taking part is meaningless.
Funny, until a few days ago everyone was comparing him to Heth. Now he is powerless?
I think you need to read up on the position of Sanmatar. -áFear The Tribes |
James Syagrius
Syndicated Ice
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Posted - 2014.01.03 22:04:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:You really must get better at understanding that there is no 'one-size-fits-all' governmental system, James. Federal Democracy didn't work for the Caldari, it doesn't work for the Matari, it wouldn't work for the Amarrians.
One of the benefits of being Culturally Isolationist, is that I don't expect my culture's answers to work for jaijii. You miss my point Pieter, but then you often do.
I don't really care what happens in the former republic as long as it says in stays there.
The heads I want to role, metaphorically" of course, are Federal ones. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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