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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2013.12.26 22:13:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Well, hey, it worked, remember? Pretty much everything that entered that trench got blown up. Not even a targeting computer could hit that kind of target. I mean, it would require some kind of supernatural intervention from a dead religion to make such an impossible shot, and surely everyone has outgrown such silly superstitions. That last guy would have bought it too if everyone weren't too busy looking at countdown screens and pulling levers to notice that a hulking big (and curiously well-armed) transport ship had entered the scene to take potshots at the Emperor's special envoy. It was obviously all an inside job anyway.
But but....there were 9000 tie fighter stationed there...and they scrambled...30(ish?) to fight off an attack? Even after they analyzed their patterns of attack...they didn't send any more out. I mean...I get the rebels only sending 20 speeders to fight the AT-ATs...Dak totally had that ****, so there really was no reason to send more. But the empire had legions of troopers, none of which were short, that they could have sent out into the fight. No excuses for lack of blobbing on the empires part.
As for the cargo ship, that pilot knew some maneuvers, and everyone knows that a ship that lists lazily to the left is impossible to shoot, so why waste ammo? Hed probably run away if shot at..and Im sure a cargo ship of that caliber could have easily made the Kessel Run in about 12 parsecs.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Yang Aurilen
Summary Executions Test Alliance Please Ignore
16
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Posted - 2013.12.26 22:24:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Shaden Nightwalker wrote:I am deeply sorry for your helplessness against frigates.
In case you are serious: (intentionally left blank) I think he feels battleships are helpless against his frigates, and wants a bigger challenge. Of course if battleships had point defense turrets, they would also need larger crew complements. In real life there is balance in their size by their price and the logistics involved in running them. But real life is less balanced than EVE anyway. In real life, battleships are the I-WIN ship, and navies that don't have enough battleships lose the fight.
World War 2 says otherwise. The moment the Japs lost their carriers at Midway their entire fleet was basically dead. Look at the Yamato afterwards which is the biggest battleship in WW2. It got torp'd and bombed to death. Now look at the US Navy. What is the core of its Navy? Battleships? Nope its them carriers. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
697
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Posted - 2013.12.26 22:27:00 -
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Jill Chastot wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:I'd like to see battleships able to get weapon bonuses when fitting medium or small weapons... Stop thinking about solo eve, its multiplayer game and the implications on fleet warfare from this would be horrific. Lol I'm sure that would happen... Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
550
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Posted - 2013.12.26 22:34:00 -
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loco coco wrote:NEONOVUS wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Tippia wrote:You mean those two instances where huge structures (star destroyers, death stars, borg cubes, God) get blown to smithereens by small craft?
There's a reason the Death Star carried a complement of 9,000 TIE fighters: because X- and Y-wings were so fast they evaded the turbo lasersGǪ Yeah, true, but then again, there was this aesthetic choice by the architect of the death star where this small exposed thermal exhaust vent, located slightly below the main vent but no bigger than a womprat, where you can shoot a proton torpedo in it and the whole thing explodes. I know..major design flaw, but they totally could have covered it up with plywood, but would have looked terrible, and the empire had to think about resale value, plus it was guarded by towers and you had to skim along a trench to get to it, so hey, totally worth the extra thermal venting. You do realize that was the only vent on it right? As in they reduced everything to a single vulnerable peice to which they could only try and kill every SOB that looked at it and had a bloody wizard and his elite guard joining in to make the killing magically carnagirous? Ever notice how there wasn't much exhaust coming out of that port? Or how it ever led to anything that looked like it was putting out exhaust? It was a semi-plausable idea that was put in to thwart an otherwise completely invulnerable space station so the good guys could win and look good against impossible odds. You do know it was already pointed out the exhaust was present as "particles" which were loosely described as stellar plasma like. So do you see the exhaust from Sol?
Also its easy to fight a frigates on a BS now, go get rhls and nuke them Or emp or just send a good sized ICBM crashing into their pod room |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.12.26 22:35:00 -
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Battleships can use small and medium guns, if you want to shoot frigs. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu Test Alliance Please Ignore
274
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Posted - 2013.12.26 22:41:00 -
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Its called balance. OP things are bad mkay? Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.
Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager |
Cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
450
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Posted - 2013.12.26 22:49:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Its called a Heavy Energy Neutralizer.
and TP and WEB. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.26 23:34:00 -
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Dominix *drops mic* |
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.26 23:54:00 -
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You can certainly fit small turrets on a Battleship. No one is stopping you, go ahead. |
Annie Anomie
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.12.27 00:16:00 -
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It's a game. |
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Aiwha
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
659
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Posted - 2013.12.27 00:17:00 -
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You can fit small turrets to a battleship.
Its just ******* stupid. We're winning the war if it says so on CAOD! -á
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Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
217
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Posted - 2013.12.27 00:19:00 -
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My troll senses are tingling, but I'll bite. The reason OP's suggestion would never happen is because everyone would just use larger ships, there'd be no point in training for smaller ships if you could train for a dread and swat all the flies.
Also newbies would find themselves completely ineffective in PvP until they had months of skill training under their belt. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
697
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Posted - 2013.12.27 00:25:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:You do know it was already pointed out the exhaust was present as "particles" which were loosely described as stellar plasma like. So do you see the exhaust from Sol? It's hard to miss the stuff, and that stuff is all spread out, not all clogged up at one tiny duct. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Ragnarok.
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Posted - 2013.12.27 00:26:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote: I can't quote properly and only chose to leave in what i want weeeeeeeeeee
I refer to him requesting a damage bonus to fitting undersized weapons. So you can learn to quote properly thanks |
Magna Mortem
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.27 00:28:00 -
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Three pages already. So many morons ... |
Logan Revelore
Minimal Solutions Aurora Irae
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Posted - 2013.12.27 00:29:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:has anyone heard of point defense?? I mean come on look at other scifi. Star wars? Star trek? any big ship has special turrents to fight and kill small fighters and other such things..... EVEN DEATH STAR. Why not add new slot tipe along with hi/med/low: 'point def' slot that is to trade power from main guns to smaller guns so your not HELPLESS if a frigate tackles ur dread?? whos with me
Just fit medium/small blasters/rails/missiles whatever, or get your drones to do the frigate killing? |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
697
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Posted - 2013.12.27 00:32:00 -
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Jill Chastot wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Jill Chastot wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:I'd like to see battleships able to get weapon bonuses when fitting medium or small weapons... Stop thinking about solo eve, its multiplayer game and the implications on fleet warfare from this would be horrific. Lol I'm sure that would happen... I refer to him requesting a damage bonus to fitting undersized weapons. So you can learn to quote properly thanks I like to trim the fat rather than post quotenoughts like so many others do. And please do explain how allowing battleships to gain weapon bonuses from frigate weapons will unbalance large fleet warfare? Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Magna Mortem
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.27 00:35:00 -
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Petrus, you really deserve more likes for your ability to bait these zombies. |
Logan Revelore
Minimal Solutions Aurora Irae
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Posted - 2013.12.27 00:40:00 -
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Magna Mortem wrote:Petrus, you really deserve more likes for your ability to bait these zombies.
It's late, I'm working on my thesis which is due tomorrow night. I'm definitely a zombie at this stage lol.
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Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Ragnarok.
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Posted - 2013.12.27 00:43:00 -
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Lets say an average 150mm autocannon does what? 50dps? (not efting this here)
Then we multiply that to 8 (for ships that have 8 slots), that being 400 dps, add various other lowslot modifiers and implants, now if you have even a 50% damage increase thats 600 with frigate tracking. Plus drones.
Now everyones flying battleships because frigates are not exactly well renowned for their ability to withstand large amounts of punishment.
See where im getting at here? |
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Xavier Higdon
Wolfbane Hauler Inc
252
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Posted - 2013.12.27 01:13:00 -
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You want a more realistic game? Go play Aurora 4X. They have CIWS you can use. Wolfbane Hauler Inc Looking For Combat And Industrial Pilots |
Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
2730
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Posted - 2013.12.27 01:27:00 -
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drones, look them up. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |
Logical 101
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
59
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Posted - 2013.12.27 01:41:00 -
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Boxing Day and the blog pimps are already hard at work. |
NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
551
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Posted - 2013.12.27 02:23:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:NEONOVUS wrote:You do know it was already pointed out the exhaust was present as "particles" which were loosely described as stellar plasma like. So do you see the exhaust from Sol? It's hard to miss the stuff, and that stuff is all spread out, not all clogged up at one tiny duct. You mean just like a well maintained car's exhaust? Because unless I get out a schlerian camera or start pulsing a LASER through, that exhaust is transparent in the visible wavelengths. |
Raven Shyanne
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2013.12.27 02:24:00 -
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The real problem is that I can't fit large turrets on my frigate. |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
904
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Posted - 2013.12.27 02:30:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:has anyone heard of point defense?? All BS in Eve can fit weapons that work just fine as point defense and that can kill of small ships/drones very easily.
If people decide to remove part of their heavy DPS to gain some point defense against small ships or drones is a different question.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
142
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Posted - 2013.12.27 02:32:00 -
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in reality though larger lasers would be harder to evade than smaller lasers, because lasers are an energy beam moving at lightspeed thats just one constant stream of energy. So wider ranged lightspeed moving light beams would be difficult to avoid. http://evemouthbreathers.blogspot.com/
https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=29554516-05f9-4eca-a942-32e1701a6569&action=buddy |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
906
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Posted - 2013.12.27 03:01:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:in reality though larger lasers would be harder to evade than smaller lasers, because lasers are an energy beam moving at lightspeed thats just one constant stream of energy. So wider ranged lightspeed moving light beams would be difficult to avoid. And this is related to your original question how?
Can battleships and/or capitals fit point defense weapons to deal with small craft? Yes. Can they do that without sacrificing maximum DPS? No. Is there any reason why a battleship and/or capital should be able to mount point defense without sacrificing maximum DPS? No.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
4604
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Posted - 2013.12.27 03:22:00 -
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why do forum readers cannot reply to troll threads?? |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
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Posted - 2013.12.27 03:30:00 -
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The idea was not so much to make fights realistic as it was to give frigates and other smaller vessaels a reason to be used in conjunction with the battleships and caps. Like it or not. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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