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Nicholas Lafisques
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.22 19:34:00 -
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I have been at the game for about 2 months now. Have really gone all in with the market and acquired a nice stash of isk. The problem is that I would like to do some other things! Have been running some missions and salvaging them with 2 separate chars and I also have a char that's just about maxed out in planetary interaction. Im looking for something to shoot for next.
I would like it to be rather passive as I am sure I wont be able to completely break free from trading on the market (its just too lucrative). I would be willing to train up a new char as I am currently at 4 chars on 3 different accounts. Im not too worried about the risk involved though it obviously comes into play when deciding what to do.
Basically im looking for something that I can invest a few billion in and receive fairly descent profits. I don't want to be spending too much time doing something like changing orders by a few pennies every 5 minutes.
Any advice and guidance is greatly appreciated. Thanks! |
MicDeath Titan
Titans Guild Solitude Coalition
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Posted - 2013.12.22 20:44:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=302566
If your looking for a decent return, look up my thread. I am currently in a full standing fleet and so far there is 2.1/9.0 billion loaned. |
buyer Bedala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.23 03:28:00 -
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What a coincidence. I recently got into market trading and have been going good returns(20 % per day), but unfortunately I only have a few hundred million isk, which limits my profits.
If you invest in my efforts, I will grow your investment in return for 50 % of the profits or, if you would prefer, 15% of the principle per week.
Message me if you have any further questions. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.12.23 05:47:00 -
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Cadmium is the Thulium is the new Dysprosium is the new Technetium. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Samroski
Games Inc. The Night Crew Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.23 07:03:00 -
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Generating a passive income is possible, but there are issues for new players:
(a) if you invest in a scheme by another player, you run a high risk of being scammed. You can get a 2-3% profit with a collateralized loan. Be wary of anything more.
(b) Other market opportunities may not be obvious to you.
(c) Other traders are not going to hand information to you on a plate. If they know of a good way to make passive income, they'll use the method themselves, and not divulge.
Maybe you can follow MD for a while, and see how more experienced traders invest on the forums.
In-game, the best option imho is to play the game, and eventually you'll figure out one of the many many ways of generating ISK without too much effort. Any colour you like. |
Nicholas Lafisques
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.23 07:46:00 -
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After thinking on this throughout the day I guess I don't want an entirely passive way to invest isk. It seemed that it would be something good to have happening while I was out doing whatever else. Now it doesn't seem to make sense to look for an entirely passive way to make isk when the main reason I want to get out of trading is that it feels like I am doing basically nothing.
I guess I will have to simply look into some things that are great ways to make isk. I would love to focus soley on something like running missions but after all the trading I don't think the profits will be able to come even close.
Thanks for the replies! |
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
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Posted - 2013.12.23 09:47:00 -
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PI in a wormhole might be good semi passive income for a few bil. StationTrading is also fine complement to wormhole living. Cap escallations come close to several dozens bill trading operation. For such a capital small manufacturing operation might be ok but requires a lot of research to find what is worth manufacturing. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
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Posted - 2013.12.23 12:48:00 -
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manufacturing would mesh nicely. do some research on your market. start researching BPO's while you skill. here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY |
Paranoid Loyd
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.24 06:49:00 -
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One word: FEDO |
Professional Forum Alt
The Witness Protection Program
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Posted - 2013.12.24 22:04:00 -
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If you are still looking for something, after this xmas and new year stuff, send me a mail. Got an idea or two.
Any typos, spelling errors and bad grammer found, are free and yours to keep |
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Zeta Zhul
Preemptive Paranoia
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Posted - 2013.12.25 00:14:00 -
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A few basic points...
1. A couple months of trading or playing experience isn't enough to really get a handle on either playing or trading. Trading is relatively simple in mechanics but the quirks and permutations can make it very complex. I'd suggest taking your time to really learn how the markets work. Again not the mechanics of how the markets work but really how the markets work. Study the market history.
2. You do not want to invest in various schemes put forth by other players unless you can lose it entirely. Essentially the isk you invest with has to be isk that you really don't mind losing. If it is a major portion of your assets or a huge problem if the investee scams you then you're doing it wrong.
3. Use real world examples to guide you in how to trade in Eve. As an example one popular method is to put buy orders in mission hubs for mission loot and then haul to trade hubs to sell. Or buy mission consumables in trade hubs and haul to mission hubs to sell. Buy in trade hubs and haul to high-sec systems close to popular battle or pvp systems and list sell orders with large markups for those with isk and not a lot of desire to jump 20+ systems just to outfit a few frigates. There are a lot of examples out there.
4. One hint for you: the markets work in cycles. Everything works in cycles. Manufacturers have their own schedules of when they need items or minerals to support their production and schedules when their production is complete and will be listed for sale in trade hubs. There are cycles during each week as people go to work or school, sleep or leisure time and this affects what is available and what the prices are. There are wild swings in availability and pricing depending on these cycles. There are daily cycles, weekly cycles, monthly cycles and etc. There are changes when there are holidays and depending on what holiday it is and where it is celebrated and by whom. Time things wrong and you'll pay top isk for inventory and make low margins. Time things right and you'll buy when the market is saturated and the prices are diving and then sell when the markets have dried up and people absolutely need what you have.
5. I would not suggest getting into investing unless your assets total above 10bil. Once you have accumulated at least 10bil by then you should have a decent grasp of things. Even then I'd suggest going into things slowly and carefully. Personally I don't invest in bonds or any other types of investments. I'd rather simply buy stuff because at the end of the day no matter what I still have ... stuff. I may not make a lot of isk on it but not losing isk or taking steps backwards is sometimes more useful than worrying about it.
Just my two shekels. |
Nicholas Lafisques
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.25 17:10:00 -
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I rather like the idea of manufacturing. I have been so involved in the market, even with the little that I know, I can keep track of the prices on things. Will have to look further into this as I have done just about nothing involving it (even bought the products for the manufacturing career missions off the market!)
All seems like good advice Zeta. I do have a pretty good idea of how markets work in general (going to school for economics). As to the eve market im still a bit under informed so I think ill stay away from things such as hauling from mission hubs (also due to my lack of trained skills and inability to haul things safely). I have been running missions and will start to pay more attention to the prices and dabble in it a bit to get a basic understanding.
I have a bunch of things that I have been trading and I have definitely noticed the cycles of it all. Have been grabbing what I can when I can get them at a very low price and holding off a bit on selling them until the price gets back to at least average. Usually torn between holding off a bit longer for larger profits and selling now for a bit less due to the fact that I don't have an unlimited amount of isk to hoard stuff in my hanger.
Right now I am hovering at about 10b with everything included. Really not thinking of the bond market or anything involving trusting someone with a large portion of my isk. And you are very right, no matter how stupid it is for me to buy something, at least itll still be in my possession!
Thanks for all the input guys Cannot tell you how much help I have received from the forums |
Zeta Zhul
Preemptive Paranoia
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Posted - 2013.12.29 08:25:00 -
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The only comment I will make about manufacturing is that I dabbled in it slightly. My personal experience was that in many cases you could buy items off the market for far less than it would cost -you- to make it. Simply because there are people who have invested large sums and a lot of time setting up highly efficient manufacturing setups with multiple POS, numerous characters, highly researched BPO/BPC and established sources of components/minerals, So I highly recommend you be very careful to run the profitability numbers before spending any isk at all setting up your own manufacturing setup.
In my case I thought having 6 well trained characters, BPO/BPC researched to 0% waste and very low manufacturing times along with purchasing large amounts of minerals and such at as low a price as possible by timing the markets that I would have a good position. Turns out I could put in a buy order for about 12% less than my lowest manufacturing cost item and still fill the buy order within a week. So if I went ahead and manufactured 1,000 of that item I would have actually spent about 11%-12% more than if I had just bought the things off the Jita market.
That was an unpleasant surprise to me. But very informative experience overall. |
Wingmate
Raven's Flight
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Posted - 2014.01.03 23:17:00 -
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if you've got a lot of isk, try running reactions using materials purchased from the market. i've got a spreadsheet that i sell that shows how to get a ton of isk per day/week/whatever. i make spreadsheets for pretty cheap. contact me for more info.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=197433 |
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