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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
129
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Posted - 2013.12.22 13:40:00 -
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there is no issue here, just rather clever development of high sec mechanics If in doubt...do...excessively. |
Titus Phook
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2013.12.22 13:51:00 -
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As a self confessed carebear, I find the "OMG my drones aggressed someone because they were set to aggressive" carebear tears hilarious. To all those whining about the Tractor Unit and Depot mechanics, learn to carebear. They said I could be anything I wanted, so I became fabulous. |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
901
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Posted - 2013.12.22 13:55:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪand other than deliberately deploying a mobile structure that is purposefully designed to allow conflicts to be generated.
if it is purposefully designed to allow conflicts to be generated, why does it not state it more clearly and why does it only work with drones? I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Kate stark
1022
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Posted - 2013.12.22 13:58:00 -
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dexington wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪand other than deliberately deploying a mobile structure that is purposefully designed to allow conflicts to be generated. if it is purposefully designed to allow conflicts to be generated, why does it not state it more clearly and why does it only work with drones?
because guns can't be set to aggressive? Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5345
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Posted - 2013.12.22 14:10:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:dexington wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪand other than deliberately deploying a mobile structure that is purposefully designed to allow conflicts to be generated. if it is purposefully designed to allow conflicts to be generated, why does it not state it more clearly and why does it only work with drones? because guns can't be set to aggressive? Guns need the kind of fine tunes autonomy that drones get.
Also, gun assist. There are no goons. The goons; 0.0 dream is over.
Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action. ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Kate stark
1022
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Posted - 2013.12.22 14:17:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Kate stark wrote:dexington wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪand other than deliberately deploying a mobile structure that is purposefully designed to allow conflicts to be generated. if it is purposefully designed to allow conflicts to be generated, why does it not state it more clearly and why does it only work with drones? because guns can't be set to aggressive? Guns need the kind of fine tunes autonomy that drones get. Also, gun assist.
screw drones, buff guns? Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
328
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Posted - 2013.12.22 14:19:00 -
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Yep, found this out the hard way.
And this is why cheap fit domi, standardly. Oh and ECM drones, if that actually works lol. freelance space bum |
Ydnari
Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire
242
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Posted - 2013.12.22 14:21:00 -
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No bugs here, just a few people not understanding the safety rules. Sounds like the people calling "bug" really want a new feature instead, some sort of ultra-green, possibly pink and fluffy, safety setting, that is everything that Green safety is plus blocking any actions that initiate a limited engagement, i.e. you can pretty much only fire on NPCs.
Which would be a bit sad if implemented.
It sure as hell shouldn't go in as a change to green safety, which is fine as it is. -- |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
328
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Posted - 2013.12.22 14:28:00 -
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I can see people being pissed off because it's not obvious that your drones are going to respond to an attack on a deployable like they would as an attack on your ship. it's simply fixed by putting drones on passive. drones on aggressive is horrible anyway but it does make serpentis missions half bearable, along with a sebo. freelance space bum |
Miasmos
Aliastra Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2013.12.22 15:04:00 -
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Risk vs reward.
Reward: mobile depot or tractor. It's a bonus, you get it for the risk and are not entitled for it risk free. Risk: your drones aggro and you get pvp.
Common sense: when someone warps suspiciously to you, pull drones. Less common sense: no documentation of the effect which is blatantly unexpected if you just want to carebear and are not paranoid / clever enough to consider the risk.
Overall: add description about aggressive drones guarding the depots. Problem solved, most depoteers will still fall for it. |
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3898
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Posted - 2013.12.22 15:11:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:I can see people being pissed off because it's not obvious that your drones are going to respond to an attack on a deployable like they would as an attack on your ship. it's simply fixed by putting drones on passive. drones on aggressive is horrible anyway but it does make serpentis missions half bearable, along with a sebo.
It never ceases to amaze me that people who live in highsec know less about the mechanics of highsec than people who don't. This user won the forums on 18/09/2013, then lost on 18/12/2013. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
14933
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Posted - 2013.12.22 15:12:00 -
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Miasmos wrote:Overall: add description about aggressive drones guarding the depots. Problem solved, most depoteers will still fall for it. That won't help, some people would continue to mewl about it if you had it neon pink capital letters at the top of the item description.
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SeenButNotHeard
Doing The Business
96
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Posted - 2013.12.22 15:19:00 -
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My guess would be that CCP didn't even think about the situation. Now it is a "feature"
All for it myself. |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
328
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Posted - 2013.12.22 15:24:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:I can see people being pissed off because it's not obvious that your drones are going to respond to an attack on a deployable like they would as an attack on your ship. it's simply fixed by putting drones on passive. drones on aggressive is horrible anyway but it does make serpentis missions half bearable, along with a sebo. It never ceases to amaze me that people who live in highsec know less about the mechanics of highsec than people who don't.
'cos PvP in low/null is so much freer and betterer. i've no idea what people see in highsec PvP and the sheer quantity of whine on here regarding it suggests to me it's best skipped over. freelance space bum |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
486
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Posted - 2013.12.22 15:28:00 -
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Sounds like the drone "aggressive" switch needs to be disabled by the safety interlock. You shouldn't be able to set aggressive until you set the safety to yellow.
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9136
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Posted - 2013.12.22 15:35:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:Sounds like the drone "aggressive" switch needs to be disabled by the safety interlock. You shouldn't be able to set aggressive until you set the safety to yellow.
Why?
Its fairly clear that aggressive drones will do aggressive things if someone touches your junk. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1235
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Posted - 2013.12.22 15:42:00 -
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because! mom said so. go to your room
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
804
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Posted - 2013.12.22 15:55:00 -
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Now I need to use my fail fitting skill to do something like that. I'm wondering how many ships I will lose... |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
389
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Posted - 2013.12.22 16:35:00 -
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My question is: why is shooting at a in space deployable not a concording offense? It is if they engage POS.
Unless your thread is limited to how 'awesum!' Eve Online is, ISD will lock the thread.-á You will find it is particularly common if CCP might have to make a public response to the thread subject, as opposed to bury it in the GM que for the forseeable future and then prohibit telling anyone what the GM said, if it's ever answered at all. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
129
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Posted - 2013.12.22 16:40:00 -
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because they wanted this exact mechanic. if you remember how enamoured they were with canflipping ,which led to the current highsec duelling system, then this mechanic makes a lot of sense. its olso got the added side effect of punishing you for afk missioning. If in doubt...do...excessively. |
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
509
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Posted - 2013.12.22 16:54:00 -
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I rat in null sec and have never had this problem.
Mobile Tractor Units have increased my isk/hour quite nicely. Here's my calculations:
1x hub = 26m isk in ~14 minutes (including time warping to the next one) salvage 1x hub in destroyer after MTU does the work = ~10-15m isk in 3 minutes
so, 4x hubs in an hour would net ~104m
or
3x hubs = 78m isk plus 3x salvaged hubs = ~30-45m isk
=108-125m isk per hour
Not bad
Maybe you should stop expecting risk-free isk?
For the record, I doubt CCP will adjust this, whether intended or not, it creates content, and like every type of pvp in hisec, is 100% avoidable, so why are you complaining? Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1562
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Posted - 2013.12.22 17:16:00 -
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Ran into this in the can flipping days. Just set drones to passive There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
gfldex
674
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Posted - 2013.12.22 17:24:00 -
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As with any newly discovered "feature" that will give a unsuspecting pilot a pvp flag in highsec, it is good advice to as a GM if they are fine with it. I have just done so via a ingame petition. The answer will be provided here in this threat -- as soon as it arrives (HAR HAR HAR).
Given that similar bugs in the can flip days got fixed _real_quick_ and Tippia voting in favour for this being legal, we all know how the outcome will be. If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
4583
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Posted - 2013.12.22 17:33:00 -
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gfldex wrote:As with any newly discovered "feature" that will give a unsuspecting pilot a pvp flag in highsec, it is good advice to as a GM if they are fine with it. I have just done so via a ingame petition. The answer will be provided here in this threat -- as soon as it arrives (HAR HAR HAR).
Given that similar bugs in the can flip days got fixed _real_quick_ and Tippia voting in favour for this being legal, we all know how the outcome will be.
Do you think you are the first to petition? I petitioned myself and even kept up with several other players who petitioned. Guess what the answers was? [i]"Woking as intended."[/]
But, you let us know if yours is different.
In the meantime I'm going to enjoy watching players enforce the law. Game play that would not exist if the MTU and Depot summoned Concord. . |
Damasi DeFanel
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.12.22 17:37:00 -
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Lets be fair.... If you are mission running, to get the maximum dps out of your drones you SHOULD be setting them to passive, and co-ordinating them to attack a single target to focus fire.... thus making them more than a tickle.
If you are mining and have defense drones.... they should be passive.... and co-ordinated to attack npc rats when they appear, focused, giving max dps of the drones.
But no.... people like to set up a mission, set up drones, set up the new mobile units, then min screen and watch MLP or something....
All this is doing (and for the better) is giving hi-sec less reason to coast by afking their crap... and actually be involved in the game.
No bug, no exploit, no issues. |
gfldex
674
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Posted - 2013.12.22 17:44:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote: Do you think you are the first to petition?
I did not believe so. Playing the game for nearly 10 years now I know very well that complaining with GMs is pretty much the first thing players do.
Marlona Sky wrote: I petitioned myself and even kept up with several other players who petitioned.
That's nice to hear. But why didn't you tell us?
Marlona Sky wrote: Guess what the answers was? [i]"Woking as intended."[/]
POS bowling, and many other "features", used to be "Working as intended" too. Folk keep complaining and when the GMs got bored of reading the same stuff over and over again they forward it to a Dev. Who will then ask a DB dev to do some SQL magic to find out if that problem is persisting and significant. Then it gets fixed. Happened before, will happen again.
If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
510
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Posted - 2013.12.22 18:00:00 -
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gfldex wrote:
POS bowling, <----nope, wrong
and many other "features", <----such as....?
used to be "Working as intended" too. Folk keep complaining and when the GMs got bored of reading the same stuff over and over again they forward it to a Dev. Who will then ask a DB dev to do some SQL magic to find out if that problem is persisting and significant. Then it gets fixed. Happened before, will happen again.
Do you honestly believe that catering to whiners improves this game? Go play a hand-holding theme-park adventure if you want your whining to be catered to, then you can whine even harder each time they nerf your FOTM. Chasing the dream, endlessly, buff nerf buff nerf buff nerf.
Hello Kitty Island Adventure...
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Do you believe your signature or not?? Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
gfldex
674
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Posted - 2013.12.22 18:14:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote: Do you honestly believe that catering to whiners improves this game?
No, and I have never stated to do so.
Eram Fidard wrote: Go play a hand-holding theme-park adventure if you want your whining to be catered to, then you can whine even harder each time they nerf your FOTM.
I would not be here after nearly 10 years if I had the intention to play a boring game. Nor did I state that I believe the "feature" discussed here should be changed. That's why I didn't write why it is a bug. Every time a player can get him/herself a flag or getting into PvP without explicitly stating his or her intend, there is a little warning popup that forces the player to acknowledge the intend to get involved in PvP. Neither by launching or setting drones to nasty nor when dropping a mobile tractor thingy will there be any such warning massage. It is therefore not intended by the Devs (who are _not_ GMs whose word means little over time) to have players force other players into PvP with drone agro.
Opps, did I just write that? See, that's what you get from being unfriendly on the interweb!
Eram Fidard wrote:Do you believe your signature or not??
I do. However I do not believe in forum propaganda or in getting cheap kills. Folk like you (unfriendly and unable to use your brain, or unwilling like Tippia) are the cat poo I refer too.
If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
374
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Posted - 2013.12.22 18:17:00 -
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nice work people that touched peoples mission boats to cause this whinefest. makes me want to visit highsec. here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY |
Winchester Steele
243
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Posted - 2013.12.22 18:31:00 -
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Magna Mortem wrote:Tippia wrote:Sentamon wrote:It's clearly a bug, if you think otherwise you're trolling or drunk. To wit, it's such a huge bug that it completely disables people's ability to describe what the bug is. It was there all along, for you to see. The drones should never agress with green safety, but they do. You can call it an oversight, a bug, or shabby game design. Either way, people who do use it for their advantage are exploiting it.
If you werent afk/bot farming missions you wouldnt need your drones set to aggressive and none of this would be of any concern.
Also, please tell me more about how drones set to aggressive shouldn't aggress. ... |
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