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Ambassador Crane
Hellhound Productions
36
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Posted - 2013.12.12 15:25:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Quote:They just need to drop that ridiculous goal and work on the stuff players have already promised or been asking for. regardless of whether or not other players think it sounds awesome and want them to go ahead with it? Sounds familiar.
That's my issue with this whole player built stargates plan. It all sounds very familiar. In fact, both of these comments sound very familiar. Unfortunately, people have forgotten the attitude towards WiS pre-Incarna because of all the other problems that came around the same time. And now we have that same pre-Incarna attitude we once had for WiS directed towards stargates. Although, dare I say, everyone seems less excited by it then they were WiS. In fact, and I'm going out on a limb here in saying this, the only person at CCP that I even get the impression is extremely excited for player built stargates is CCP Seagull.
However, I don't question whatsoever that they'll be more successful in their release of player built stargates than they were WiS because it's spaceship based, similar stuff to what we already have. Closer in similarity to wormholes. Incarna, if it had been implemented right, could have been nearly as cool as Apocrypha, because with Apocrypha, it brought a whole new aspect to the game never seen before. New NPCs and AI, new space (some with spacial effects), skill queue, tech 3 modular ships, etc. It basically added a new gameplay style to Eve. WiS could've brought a whole new aspect to the game as well, but was nothing at all what we were expecting and was completely incomplete.
And to all those people complaining about how space would be a lot less traveled because people will never undock since they'd be enjoying the in-station environments, I ask "what about the number of people that disappeared into the depths of W-Space. Did it make a huge difference on the other 3 areas of space occupancy?" I certainly didn't notice any. And I think it'd be the same with WiS (as long as it's addition to the gameplay is developed correctly). |
Duran Veldspur
Rebel Empire
14
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Posted - 2013.12.12 15:32:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Duran Veldspur wrote:Are you kidding me? CCP cant even get the concept of "limited edition" right. You think they can grasp how to do a little walking in station on top of the disaster of Incarna?
I highly doubt they give a flip what customers want inside a station anymore, what CCP wants is money and beer. I use to think CCP movers and shakers had wisdom but instead i am reminded they are just a bunch of smart drunks that continue to throw away good opportunities and back peddle when they screw up.
They don't even care about costumers concerns on this thread. And yet here you are subscribing to their game, which receives constant admiration from the games industry and is something of an Internet legend. Clearly they are doing something very right.
I dont have 20 accounts and spent alot of my money because the game sucks, of course the game is great but that doesnt mean CCP can loaf off and ignore its customers or dish out poorly thought out products THAT WE PAY FOR! without getting critisizm.
If you want walking in stations so much then DEMAND IT, let them know you care about it! dont just sit there and argue about it like a bunch of nerds, your paying for this game too, if you want it bad enough DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Get off your ass and tell CCP. Especially since they havent touched this thread apparently. |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
496
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Posted - 2013.12.12 15:46:00 -
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All I want is that 'fleet commander' map they talked about so much before Incarna released.
Edit: a social area with gambling games like poker and slay would get a lot of use I feel. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
2645
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Posted - 2013.12.12 15:50:00 -
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Ambassador Crane wrote:And to all those people complaining about how space would be a lot less traveled because people will never undock since they'd be enjoying the in-station environments, I ask "what about the number of people that disappeared into the depths of W-Space. Did it make a huge difference on the other 3 areas of space occupancy?" I certainly didn't notice any. And I think it'd be the same with WiS (as long as it's addition to the gameplay is developed correctly).
It's a strange objection anyway, because -
A: Being undocked doesn't automatically mean you're going to interact with that person anyway. B: A lot of player interaction is via the market, and can be with people who aren't even online right now. C: Less people flying means less TiDi. D: Any good EoF mechanic would produce stuff that would then make it into space and be flown around. E: Any good EoF mechanic would encourage moving around between different stations rather than "farming" one station. F: New features attract new players, and anything that attracts new players increases the space traffic. G: The space stuff will still exist, and will still be profitable and interesting enough to attract people. half a million subscribers who've spent ten years happily bumbling around in their spaceships aren't suddenly going to vanish to the poker tables and never undock ever again.
It's fear-mongering rather than an actually well-founded argument.
Duran Veldspur wrote:I dont have 20 accounts and spent alot of my money because the game sucks, of course the game is great but that doesnt mean CCP can loaf off and ignore its customers or dish out poorly thought out products THAT WE PAY FOR! without getting critisizm.
If you want walking in stations so much then DEMAND IT, let them know you care about it! dont just sit there and argue about it like a bunch of nerds, your paying for this game too, if you want it bad enough DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Get off your ass and tell CCP. Especially since they havent touched this thread apparently.
Riiiight. I'm going to pretend you're not a troll here and say something:
Paying for our accounts does not entitle us to anything save the right to log into TQ and play EVE Online. We pay CCP to gain access to whatever they have made and chosen to sell us, and our entitlement ends the second we receive that service. This does not give the right to demand anything - we are not investors or shareholders, we are customers, and CCP uphold their end of the bargain simply by allowing us to log in. All the nice stuff like expansions, holiday gift items, fanfests and so on are generous extras.
I sit here and argue about this stuff "like a nerd" because I believe that a well-made, calm argument on merit carries much more weight than throwing a tantrum and making demands based on how I pay for four hundred accounts and three hundred PLEX every twelve days. What I'm doing here IS telling CCP that I care about EVE on Foot - I know that the devs do watch these forums threads even if they're typically (and wisely) silent, and trust that if I explain my thoughts then maybe it's going to inspire them, keep the subject fresh and current in their minds, and generally promote EoF arriving sooner rather than later.
I'm sure CCP is grateful for your money - but the amount of money you give them has nothing to do with whether or not the things you want should make it into the game. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
3611
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Posted - 2013.12.12 15:54:00 -
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Stitcher stop being made of win.
Also +1 to FC map room ffs.
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
2646
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Posted - 2013.12.12 16:03:00 -
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FC map room is good. I'd also like an industrial planning room Tony Stark Style. where me and the team can gather round a graphical representation of our current resources and chains, divvy out tasks and identify what it is we need and who's going to go get it.
If I could explode, say, a Tengu subsystem BPO into its required components, and explode those into their required components and so on and say, "okay, we're running short on melted nanoribbons and C320, and we're going to need some electronic engineering datacores soon" while we're all stood in an office looking at and being able to discuss the exact same information? That'd be great. And much better-implemented in three dimensions in avatar-based gameplay than via a 2d window in the space overview. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
3612
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Posted - 2013.12.12 16:08:00 -
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Real time, or close to real time, map movement statistics to see where enemy fleets are going that can have notes or markers placed on them in the board room by a ceo while the deployed fleet gets it via transmission by some HUD thingy.
Blue marker means head here. Red marker means GTFO DAT SYSTEM OH GOD T3 BLOB OGODOGOD.
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
2646
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Posted - 2013.12.12 16:37:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Real time, or close to real time, map movement statistics to see where enemy fleets are going that can have notes or markers placed on them in the board room by a ceo while the deployed fleet gets it via transmission by some HUD thingy.
Blue marker means head here. Red marker means GTFO DAT SYSTEM OH GOD T3 BLOB OGODOGOD.
You don't want it to be too easy. I'd say at most you'd want scouts in system to report back information from the local channel - if you have a fleet member in that system, then number of pilots tota, the number of reds/neutrals/blue and the number of active cynos is automatically relayed back and shown on the FC star map. When the scout leaves system, that information stops being updated.
It should be very top-level and strategic, lacking in details like ship types, names, corps etc, but allowing an at-a-glance overview of what's going on in the surrounding systems provided you have "eyes on the ground" as it were.
Maybe include scout tagging, so a cloaky scout can be like "suspected cyno vessel" or "Enemy titan" and that appears on the stratmap too. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Cpt Tirel
80
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Posted - 2013.12.12 16:51:00 -
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WiS supporters: Please CCP just give us one more room or at least something more than the door, something simple, its been two years.
Anti-WiS crowd: NO only our content will be worked on, i dont want your content, all the content belong to me. ME! |
PR0JECT 2501
Section Nine
5
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Posted - 2013.12.12 17:24:00 -
[640] - Quote
Will bumping be allowed in WiS? I predict a goon-lead 'humpageddon', involving miners being trapped into a corner by people mashing the 'hop' key or similar. |
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Grim Hood
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
2
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Posted - 2013.12.12 17:49:00 -
[641] - Quote
I want to go into a station, sit down at a bar, drink some rum, play Poker with other pilots(using ISK), and snort illegal drugs off a female dancer's bum in the bathroom. |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Warfare Corp.
280
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Posted - 2013.12.12 20:02:00 -
[642] - Quote
http://i.imgur.com/WYTQ6.png
**** in my CQ room , if you look pas this tread there are some neat ideas to have content with walking.
The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Ambassador Crane
Hellhound Productions
37
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Posted - 2013.12.12 20:14:00 -
[643] - Quote
Lugalbandak wrote:
**** in my CQ room , if you look pas this tread there are some neat ideas to have content with walking.
A NSFW warning would have been nice....
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Hyuna Saraki
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
23
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Posted - 2013.12.12 20:44:00 -
[644] - Quote
Grim Hood wrote:I want to go into a station, sit down at a bar, drink some rum, play Poker with other pilots(using ISK), and snort illegal drugs off a female dancer's bum in the bathroom. Listen to this man ! Much better than ship spinning. |
Vidua Arte Album
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:54:00 -
[645] - Quote
We can change this for the better, together. |
Mariella Gilmore
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:57:00 -
[646] - Quote
Vidua Arte Album wrote:We can change this for the better, together. I look like I'm 16! |
Angelica Dreamstar
Desperate Desire Inc.
11
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:59:00 -
[647] - Quote
Vidua Arte Album wrote:We can change this for the better, together. I could look so much hotter if only... |
Magna Mortem
Fratres Et Sorores
2
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:59:00 -
[648] - Quote
Vidua Arte Album wrote:We can change this for the better, together. She's with you, hence I'm with you. |
Jill Chastot
Modulated Dreams AAA Citizens
42
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Posted - 2013.12.12 22:03:00 -
[649] - Quote
Ambassador Crane wrote:Lugalbandak wrote:
**** in my CQ room , if you look pas this tread there are some neat ideas to have content with walking.
A NSFW warning would have been nice....
agreed |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
376
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Posted - 2013.12.12 22:16:00 -
[650] - Quote
You guys obviously don't frequent minmatar chat if you find this even remotely unusual. Like I said before and was removed by a mod, get that screen streaming, and I will give you...
Big Johnson Industries: We don't even have to undock to make major alliances STAY docked.
Unless your thread is limited to how 'awesum!' Eve Online is, ISD will lock the thread.-á You will find it is particularly common if CCP might have to make a public response to the thread subject, as opposed to bury it in the GM que for the forseeable future and then prohibit telling anyone what the GM said, if it's ever answered at all. |
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Angelica Dreamstar
Desperate Desire Inc.
11
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Posted - 2013.12.12 22:22:00 -
[651] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:don't frequent minmatar shat For the first time ever you said something noteworthy, but no one shat a brick because of it. |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
376
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Posted - 2013.12.12 22:22:00 -
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Lugalbandak wrote: wich game? there arnt any games comming out who you can compare with eve.
really ccp is mild in posting her with other games, you ment SC?
Recite the Litanies. Raise the Geller Field. Prepare for Warp Transit to Cadia.
Warhammer 40k Online is now back in the pipeline, Praise the Emperor!
No Man's Sky and arguably Star Citizen also both target key EvE demographics as well.
Unless your thread is limited to how 'awesum!' Eve Online is, ISD will lock the thread.-á You will find it is particularly common if CCP might have to make a public response to the thread subject, as opposed to bury it in the GM que for the forseeable future and then prohibit telling anyone what the GM said, if it's ever answered at all. |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Warfare Corp.
280
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Posted - 2013.12.12 22:35:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Lugalbandak wrote: wich game? there arnt any games comming out who you can compare with eve.
really ccp is mild in posting her with other games, you ment SC?
Recite the Litanies. Raise the Geller Field. Prepare for Warp Transit to Cadia. Warhammer 40k Online is now back in the pipeline, Praise the Emperor! No Man's Sky and arguably Star Citizen also both target key EvE demographics as well.
ok never heard of them except warhammer , but will check them out.
The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2013.12.12 23:28:00 -
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Also pathfinder online will be using EVE style skill training and standing/security model in a D&D based fantasy setting. |
Halcyon Harvey
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.12.12 23:34:00 -
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I find it shocking that walking in stations hasn't been implemented yet.
CCP have such a sterling history of following through on things... |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
970
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Posted - 2013.12.13 04:47:00 -
[656] - Quote
Chandaris wrote:All I want is that 'fleet commander' map they talked about so much before Incarna released.
Edit: a social area with gambling games like poker and slay would get a lot of use I feel. Absolutely would. Given how popular the useless for pew pew vanity items are (some monocles selling at 30 billion isk or a few hundred dollars worth of plex) it's obvious people care about what their little portraits look like.
If there were internal spaces and the ability to walk around and interact CCP would make a fortune off it. The popularity of gambling isk should also not be overlooked. It should be happening in game through CCP oversight not out of game through dodgy Somerlike websites.
Only need to look at games like Gary's Mod to see how popular socializing in simulated PvP environments is. |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
506
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Posted - 2013.12.13 05:19:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:If there were internal spaces and the ability to walk around and interact CCP would make a fortune off it.
It's almost like you don't remember the summer of rage where thousands of people stopped giving money to CCP because of WiS.
EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
331
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Posted - 2013.12.13 05:58:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:If there were internal spaces and the ability to walk around and interact CCP would make a fortune off it. It's almost like you don't remember the summer of rage where thousands of people stopped giving money to CCP because of WiS. It's almost like you don't have a clue what the summer of rage was really about.
Troll on little Goon lemming, troll on. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
199
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Posted - 2013.12.13 07:24:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:If there were internal spaces and the ability to walk around and interact CCP would make a fortune off it. It's almost like you don't remember the summer of rage where thousands of people stopped giving money to CCP because of WiS.
Grrrr WiS! If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space,-áand those people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local,-álight a cyno and try jumping to it.-á-á There is a structural issue with Eve, based on accounts with no link, vast reserves of ISK-áand plex, which makes it too easy to metagame the destruction of small alliances. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
970
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Posted - 2013.12.13 07:31:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:If there were internal spaces and the ability to walk around and interact CCP would make a fortune off it. It's almost like you don't remember the summer of rage where thousands of people stopped giving money to CCP because of WiS. It was a subscriber revolt over micro-transactions, gold ammo, generic pay to win and the leaked "greed is good" Hilmar mail that caused that. WIS was an unfortunate victim and had been in the works for some time already. |
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