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Black Apok
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.03 18:43:00 -
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Gender isn't binary and neither is sex. We already have a great deal of abilities to personalize characters and change them with re-sculpts. But something that is kinda annoying is that gender is a binary in EVE and can't be changed after initial creation.
So the idea would be to only select a faction and race in the character creation process and then get a slider between male and female. Depending on the slider the face and body meshes will be changed. Like this people could create a more manly woman, a more feminine man or change their gender.
If a re-sculpt can make you change your bone structure it should be possible to adjust a characters gender. And gender changes and adjustments shouldn't be illegal in the EVE lore either. That's some trans-phobic pile of crap. That's all. Queue the flames. I'm terrible at dates, but I could eat a peach for hours |
TheMercenaryKing
StarFleet Enterprises Fatal Ascension
48
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Posted - 2013.12.03 19:52:00 -
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so where do we draw the line at bra/no-bra? |
Black Apok
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2013.12.03 19:53:00 -
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I would say something that has a cup size (A,B, C, etc.) gets a bra. So gender related boobies get bras, fat related man-boobies...don't get one? or that too? it could be quite funny ;D I'm terrible at dates, but I could eat a peach for hours |
GreenSeed
763
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Posted - 2013.12.03 20:13:00 -
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couldn't you fix this with a few lines of RP text in your bio? |
Black Apok
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2013.12.03 20:18:00 -
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It's less about the RP and more about the idea that in a universe where you can just create clones and adjust those clones DNA it should be easy as pie to adjust their gender as well. And give everybody some more diversity to create their characters.
It's debatable if CCP would add this to the standard customization process or if you would have to pay for a re-sculpt for this too. I'm terrible at dates, but I could eat a peach for hours |
Zvaarian the Red
Evil Leprechaun Brigade
147
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Posted - 2013.12.03 20:20:00 -
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I get that this is a big deal to some people, but those people need to realize that the vast majority of EVE players (and likely designers) think in terms of a male/female dichotomy, and that the tiny minority who actually care about this probably shouldn't expect much on this front. Personally I've never played a game with any transgender character creation options, and expecting EVE to take that leap when it is virtually unheard of in the industry is unrealistic. Avatars in EVE are kind of an after-thought anyway. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
2183
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Posted - 2013.12.03 20:36:00 -
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Black Apok wrote:Gender isn't binary and neither is sex. We already have a great deal of abilities to personalize characters and change them with re-sculpts. But something that is kinda annoying is that gender is a binary in EVE and can't be changed after initial creation.
So the idea would be to only select a faction and race in the character creation process and then get a slider between male and female. Depending on the slider the face and body meshes will be changed. Like this people could create a more manly woman, a more feminine man or change their gender.
If a re-sculpt can make you change your bone structure it should be possible to adjust a characters gender. And gender changes and adjustments shouldn't be illegal in the EVE lore either. That's some trans-phobic pile of crap. That's all. Queue the flames.
I must say, you have done a remarkable job of modifying your avatar to appear more like a transgendered person.
Personally, like sexual preference amongst individuals, don't care....so if something like this were implemented, wouldn't care (i.e. wouldn't oppose or support it).
From a Dev time and effort stand point: put it at the bottom of the list.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what? |
Black Apok
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2013.12.03 20:50:00 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:I must say, you have done a remarkable job of modifying your avatar to appear more like a transgendered person.
Why thank you :P Though that wasn't my initial intention, I just wanted to make the bloke look goofy. Still wish I could just swap my gender to female but according to a petition and the GM it's not possible for them, even if they wanted.
Quote: From a Dev time and effort stand point: put it at the bottom of the list.
I agree, as a game dev myself this wouldn't be on the top of my list. But I read a few months ago or so that they assigned a new team to the whole avatar thing and I thought of mentioning it. I'm sure there are a lot of players out there (including me^^) that would appreciate it. I'm terrible at dates, but I could eat a peach for hours |
Omega Flames
Forever Winter The Kingdom of Heaven
74
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Posted - 2013.12.03 21:05:00 -
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well considering in the real world you are either male or female and not changeable (no "sex change" operations do not infact change their sex, you cant get a male to all of the sudden be able to give birth or a female all of the sudden be able to make viable sperm no matter how many operations you undergo), making avatars be male or female and not changeable is just fine. humanity in general doesnt like you cross dressers and im just fine with the lack of cross dress abilities in eve. <Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually" http://i.imgur.com/76pQ9.jpg |
Black Apok
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2013.12.03 21:13:00 -
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Omega Flames wrote:well considering in the real world you are either male or female and not changeable (no "sex change" operations do not infact change their sex, you cant get a male to all of the sudden be able to give birth or a female all of the sudden be able to make viable sperm no matter how many operations you undergo), making avatars be male or female and not changeable is just fine. humanity in general doesnt like you cross dressers and im just fine with the lack of cross dress abilities in eve.
Thanks, it was just a matter of time until a bigot showed up. 1. I'm not a crossdressed IRL. 2. I know that with our current level of technology we can't change a persons DNA. But neither can we clone them. or travel faster than light. Or have energy shields. Or laser weapons. Or Or Or.
EVE Online is a scifi game with scifi tech and scifi lore. And to assume that in a few thousand years the human race is still as close minded as some people (i.e. you) today is kinda sad to think about.
Also...you don't have the right to speak on humanities behalf. Only because you don't like the idea of gender spectrums that doesn't mean that a lot of people in the world are just fine with them and in fact feel more comfortable with a spectrum rather than a binary.
Oh and by the other way..you're not either male or female. There are a few hundred conditions that make you have either both genitalia, or non, or have one but the DNA of the other or both DNAs or w/e. That's why I said that neither gender NOR sex is binary. And that should be reflectable in the EVE avatar. I'm terrible at dates, but I could eat a peach for hours |
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Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals Market and Contract PVP
187
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Posted - 2013.12.03 21:26:00 -
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I fully support this idea as long as I can be a dolphin I am the Zodiac, I am the stars, You are the sorceress, my priestess of Mars, Queen of the night, swathed in satin black, Your ivory flesh upon my torture rack. |
TheMercenaryKing
StarFleet Enterprises Fatal Ascension
48
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Posted - 2013.12.03 21:33:00 -
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If we critically look at this, i think we all hope one day Eve will release a "true" Incarna, and not a half baked one we had before.
Until that point, I cannot support this idea simply becuase of the potential effort that would be put into instead of elsewhere. My guess is that they would have to nearly redo the entire character creator. that effort would go into nearly marginal if any gain to the core gameplay, while it would only give a more dynamic and freedom to the identity of the in game person.
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Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
1964
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Posted - 2013.12.03 21:50:00 -
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Omega Flames wrote:well considering in the real world you are either male or female and not changeable (no "sex change" operations do not infact change their sex, you cant get a male to all of the sudden be able to give birth or a female all of the sudden be able to make viable sperm no matter how many operations you undergo), making avatars be male or female and not changeable is just fine. humanity in general doesnt like you cross dressers and im just fine with the lack of cross dress abilities in eve.
How much of a bounty has your transphobia earned you? |
Seranova Farreach
Lion Squadron
461
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Posted - 2013.12.03 21:53:00 -
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let us have sex changes in station or have sex bound to clone so you can die in a male clone and wake up in a female clone or what ever :P |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
595
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Posted - 2013.12.03 21:58:00 -
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Just a little reminder to keep it civil people. Keep RL out of this discussion as much as possible. As said by another poster, this is a SF game. In New Eden tampering with DNA is trivial, although in the past some parts of humanity have gone a bit to far.....
Edit: I also deleted an of topic post. ISD Ezwal. ISD Ezwal Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals Market and Contract PVP
187
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Posted - 2013.12.03 22:03:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:Just a little reminder to keep it civil people. Keep RL out of this discussion as much as possible. As said by another poster, this is a SF game. In New Eden tampering with DNA is trivial, although in the past some parts of humanity have gone a bit to far..... Edit: I also deleted an of topic post. ISD Ezwal.
Are you suggesting Jovians were Dolphins? I am the Zodiac, I am the stars, You are the sorceress, my priestess of Mars, Queen of the night, swathed in satin black, Your ivory flesh upon my torture rack. |
Praesus Lecti
Society of Enterprising Partnerships LTD INC LLC Garys Most Noble Army of Third Place Mediocrity
20
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Posted - 2013.12.03 22:18:00 -
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Black Apok wrote:Gender isn't binary and neither is sex. We already have a great deal of abilities to personalize characters and change them with re-sculpts. But something that is kinda annoying is that gender is a binary in EVE and can't be changed after initial creation.
So the idea would be to only select a faction and race in the character creation process and then get a slider between male and female. Depending on the slider the face and body meshes will be changed. Like this people could create a more manly woman, a more feminine man or change their gender.
If a re-sculpt can make you change your bone structure it should be possible to adjust a characters gender. And gender changes and adjustments shouldn't be illegal in the EVE lore either. That's some trans-phobic pile of crap. That's all. Queue the flames.
So you want to interject reality (or some people's views of reality) into a science fiction video game. Did you ever stop to think that within the universe of EVE the thought of transgender/multigender/wtf-ever never cropped up? That such a society might be perfectly fine with there being just 2 clearly delineated genders? You want **** on your dude? Or some wedding tackle on your chick? Photoshop is --> way.
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Black Apok
The Confederation of Eves good Knights Destiny's Call
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Posted - 2013.12.03 22:49:00 -
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Praesus Lecti wrote:Black Apok wrote:Gender isn't binary and neither is sex. We already have a great deal of abilities to personalize characters and change them with re-sculpts. But something that is kinda annoying is that gender is a binary in EVE and can't be changed after initial creation.
So the idea would be to only select a faction and race in the character creation process and then get a slider between male and female. Depending on the slider the face and body meshes will be changed. Like this people could create a more manly woman, a more feminine man or change their gender.
If a re-sculpt can make you change your bone structure it should be possible to adjust a characters gender. And gender changes and adjustments shouldn't be illegal in the EVE lore either. That's some trans-phobic pile of crap. That's all. Queue the flames. So you want to interject reality (or some people's views of reality) into a science fiction video game. Did you ever stop to think that within the universe of EVE the thought of transgender/multigender/wtf-ever never cropped up? That such a society might be perfectly fine with there being just 2 clearly delineated genders? You want **** on your dude? Or some wedding tackle on your chick? Photoshop is --> way.
Did you think about that sex changes have been banned by three of the empires, showing that such a thing might have been a demand that "needed" to be banned. Also it's not about having a dong on my female or boobs on my male. It's more about being able to change genders for me. And that some people might like to have that kinda thing.
And if the avatar modes are being re-thought anyways, why not include this? Why assume a gender binary if we have the option not to. And only because some people feel uncomfortable about it for whatever reason doesn't mean that some people won't love it. I'm terrible at dates, but I could eat a peach for hours |
Hatsumi Kobayashi
Origin. Black Legion.
314
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Posted - 2013.12.03 22:55:00 -
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Only if I can make my character like my fursona No sig. |
Livonian
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
13
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Posted - 2013.12.03 22:57:00 -
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As a gender neutral trans-BLACKPERSON I agree with this message wholeheartedly. |
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El Space Mariachi
Love Squad Black Legion.
10
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Posted - 2013.12.03 22:58:00 -
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nope gender and sex are both binary
take your sjw **** to tumblr
that said I'd be okay with more genders you can put it down to space magic or something. futas, sissyboys, catgirls (shout out to Katie Corb) and reptile genders would be a start
or perhaps hitherto unknown genders
also can we have a sexuality slider in the character creator? the full gamut from gay to straight via bisexual, asexual, fursexual, pansexual, cissexual, transsexual and sexsexual.
I'm not personally transsexual but one of my headmates is so I understand where you're coming from. . |
Praesus Lecti
Society of Enterprising Partnerships LTD INC LLC Garys Most Noble Army of Third Place Mediocrity
20
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:01:00 -
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Livonian wrote:As a gender neutral trans-niggeress I agree with this message wholeheartedly.
Wow...that one is gonna hit the word filter soon I bet. ROFL. |
El Space Mariachi
Love Squad Black Legion.
10
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:05:00 -
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Praesus Lecti wrote:Livonian wrote:As a gender neutral trans-niggeress I agree with this message wholeheartedly. Wow...that one is gonna hit the word filter soon I bet. ROFL.
why did you feel the need to edit a disgusting racial slur into "Livonian"'s post? That's clearly not what it says. Is this an attempt at character assassination? What did he ever do to you?
here is the original post guys don't believe the lies
Livonian wrote:As a gender neutral trans-BLACKPERSON I agree with this message wholeheartedly.
I will be reporting this behaviour to the authorities. please check your white privilege on these forums. . |
El Space Mariachi
Love Squad Black Legion.
10
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:13:00 -
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Dirk Action wrote:can I be a transgender ttt grifer who identifies as a monster truck?
*tips fedora*
I identify as a Maroon 1914 Stutz Bearcat so I know your pain
Do you want to meet up some time IRL and honk?
*nudges you sheepishly with right front wheel* . |
El Space Mariachi
Love Squad Black Legion.
10
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:14:00 -
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hey ISD team
check my dubs . |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2009
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:14:00 -
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Livonian wrote:CCP obviously has no love for us Trans-racial people. It is a sad day when I can be oppressed on the internet forums which I call home.
Sorry, but we purebloods can't countenance the claims of the trans-racial. Point Blank Alliance [DAKKA] is currently recruiting corporations to join in our lowsec piracy operations. For more information, please add the in game channel 'weflyrifters' or speak to a DAKKA member today. |
Livonian
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
13
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:15:00 -
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El Space Mariachi wrote:hey ISD team
check my dubs
sick nasty self-double identification should be a background option for your eve character.
CCP please. |
Livonian
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
14
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:24:00 -
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I still don't understand why trans-racial characters are in the game. Much like the OPs point races are not binary (or in this case 1-4).
Why can't I, a Caldari male, self identify as an Amarr female?
My race isn't determined with what CCP brands on my skin when I get off the train in New Eden. |
El Space Mariachi
Love Squad Black Legion.
14
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:29:00 -
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Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote:CSM should endorse this IMO.
same . |
Livonian
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
14
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:29:00 -
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What is the lore based evidence for this feature? I play exclusively for the lore content and accuracy. Is there even a precedent for trans people in New Eden? Are the persecuted? Maybe we shouldn't let them in Amarrian Hisec because of their religious persecution. |
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