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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.03.01 09:37:00 -
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good point about those clever pilots.
But in the end, 1vs1 is rare and in most cases the losing one just warp out.
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R'adeh
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Posted - 2006.03.01 09:46:00 -
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With the exception that a drone user most probably loses most of his firepower by warping out 'cause he has to leave back the drones in lots of those "escape" cases. A turret/missile user on the other hand will keep his offense all the time when warping out...
I have a cool idea: Let's make it that turret/missile users automatically eject their highslot stuff if they warp off from a fight, just to balance it out with us poor drone users
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.03.01 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: R'adeh With the exception that a drone user most probably loses most of his firepower by warping out 'cause he has to leave back the drones in lots of those "escape" cases. A turret/missile user on the other hand will keep his offense all the time when warping out...
I have a cool idea: Let's make it that turret/missile users automatically eject their highslot stuff if they warp off from a fight, just to balance it out with us poor drone users
Well at least ammo.
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Dreez
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Posted - 2006.03.01 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Missiles work better at close range than blasters ever will.
CCP will just have to fix that, wont they ! .
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.03.01 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dreez
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Missiles work better at close range than blasters ever will.
CCP will just have to fix that, wont they ! .
Eve 2 special feature.
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Andarvi
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Posted - 2006.03.01 10:12:00 -
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Edited by: Andarvi on 01/03/2006 10:12:47 I mostly fly a Vexor/Dominix and I do pretty well in them usually.. I only fit nos setups if I'm going against HACs, against anything else my damage output is enough..
I would love to see a new low slot item named Cap hardener
The standard version giving you 50% reduction in cap loss and something like +2.5% cap recharge. I'm all for counters
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ChalSto
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Posted - 2006.03.01 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
Originally by: Dreez
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Missiles work better at close range than blasters ever will.
CCP will just have to fix that, wont they ! .
Eve 2 special feature.
Very sad.........but true I realy hope it will be fixed. Would make the game in a blasterthron much more fun. Maybe a 50% dmg-incrase?......or is that too much?. For me it seems, then they are getting the gun¦s, they are supposed to be.....
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Odda
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Posted - 2006.03.01 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: ChalSto
Originally by: LUKEC
Originally by: Dreez
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Missiles work better at close range than blasters ever will.
CCP will just have to fix that, wont they ! .
Eve 2 special feature.
Very sad.........but true I realy hope it will be fixed. Would make the game in a blasterthron much more fun. Maybe a 50% dmg-incrase?......or is that too much?. For me it seems, then they are getting the gun¦s, they are supposed to be.....
Or just add a anti missilse system that works.. since missile got a 100% acc they shuld have som antisystem.
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Darwinia
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Posted - 2006.03.01 10:21:00 -
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The missiles were balanced back when they did splash damage...
If somebody wanted to shoot torps at you point blank, he was hurting himself as well. I know it was removed because it was causing major problems in empire, but I wonder if the could bring back splash damage for 0.0... ------------------------ I don't believe in sigs. |
ChalSto
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Posted - 2006.03.01 10:38:00 -
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Back to the topic.
Well......you should make differences between a megathron and a dominix. Sorry.....but a sniper-dominix will nerver hit up to 180km and do decend dmg. A blaster-dominix will never be able to fit a full rack of neutron-blasters. You get the point? Dominix is a drone-carrier and one of the best (maybe THE best) 1vs1 ships out there after rmr. The Blasterthron is broken since castor (or nobody in the whole EvE-world found the wftbbq-setup yet.......(think of the "i win"-plate-drone-rax.......rest in peace)). I have never heard a geddon/apoc/tempest/phoon/domi/raven/scorp-pilot who said:"Omg.....a blasterthron........when he get into range, he¦ll wtfbbq me....."
Blasters are a jocke
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2006.03.01 10:57:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 01/03/2006 10:58:46 öWell......you should make differences between a megathron and a dominix. Sorry.....but a sniper-dominix will nerver hit up to 180km and do decend dmg.ö I heard but not confirmed that Domi makes an excellent sniper ship or well do after the patch. 50% damage bonus and higher tracking means its better then the sniper Megathron. If you use long range sent drones with range boosting modules you do high DPS and can hit at 180km. In a way its better then sniper ships, as the Domi does not have to swap to lower damage long range ammo or crystals. His drones do the same damage at 180km as they do at 30km.
öA blaster-dominix will never be able to fit a full rack of neutron-blasters. You get the point?ö My tanked domi has tons of powrgrid more then enough for a full rack of neutron-blasters. A while back I used to fly a sniper, blaster Domi with lots of neutron-blasters.
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ChalSto
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Posted - 2006.03.01 11:03:00 -
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Edited by: ChalSto on 01/03/2006 11:06:09 Edited by: ChalSto on 01/03/2006 11:05:36
Originally by: Pottsey öWell......you should make differences between a megathron and a dominix. Sorry.....but a sniper-dominix will nerver hit up to 180km and do decend dmg.ö I heard but not confirmed that Domi makes an excellent sniper ship or well do after the patch. 50% damage bonus and higher tracking means its better then the sniper Megathron. If you use long range sent drones with range boosting modules you do high DPS and can hit at 180km. In a way its better then sniper ships, as the Domi does not have to swap to lower damage long range ammo or crystals. His drones do the same damage at 180km as they do at 30km.
OK....why not. accepted
öA blaster-dominix will never be able to fit a full rack of neutron-blasters. You get the point?ö My tanked domi has tons of powrgrid more then enough for a full rack of neutron-blasters. I used to fly a sniper blaster Domi.
ok..... ....and my blasterthron will cut your domi in half in a few seconds, becouse u will have NO tank....lol My mega got 6k more pg than your domi and i still got problems to fit a full rack of neutrons+"good" tank. Your dominix is useless with blasters Dreez current location: In his Blasterthron chasing TomB with a blowtorch. ChalSto joins him. |
LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.03.01 11:30:00 -
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I'd not be so sure that you cannot tank blasterdomi.
Shield tank and station fights might be very interesting.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2006.03.01 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Odda
Originally by: Wrayeth Edited by: Wrayeth on 01/03/2006 06:48:19
It's about combat at short range, where the domi is currently overpowered. It can nos massively, jam effectively, tank heavily, AND inflict excellent damage, all at the same time. Aside from the ishtar (which is also /win for its class), no other short-range ship is capable of doing more than two of those at the same time.
Same as the raven can.
Um...no. The raven can either jam and have a good damage output, but a crappy tank and only one or two nos, go heavy tank/heavy damage/no jammers/limited nos, strong jammers/ strong nos/no damage/no tank, etc. The raven can only do two of these things at once with any proficiency. The dominix can do all four at once, which is the problem. -Wrayeth
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.03.01 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd Edited by: TuRtLe HeAd on 01/03/2006 09:22:31
I've seen more ishtars and domi's than ever thats why. There was a Time when there was nothing I wouldn't engage in my vagabond, Now Theres no point going near either the domi or the ishtar.
well the only thing that scares me in ishtar is vagabond. Kill the drones and you win. Ishtar doesn't do too much dmg and don't jam too much because it has crappy cap.
Ishtar is one of the top damage HAC out here, and a Ishtars drones are as sturdy as a small cruisers, so killing 5 of em while beeing underfire is quite a task.
Tbh, You can forget to kill drones of a ishtar/dominix, thy have enough spare room for more waves, and their drones are very tight
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.03.01 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Odda
Originally by: Wrayeth Edited by: Wrayeth on 01/03/2006 06:48:19
It's about combat at short range, where the domi is currently overpowered. It can nos massively, jam effectively, tank heavily, AND inflict excellent damage, all at the same time. Aside from the ishtar (which is also /win for its class), no other short-range ship is capable of doing more than two of those at the same time.
Same as the raven can.
Um...no. The raven can either jam and have a good damage output, but a crappy tank and only one or two nos, go heavy tank/heavy damage/no jammers/limited nos, strong jammers/ strong nos/no damage/no tank, etc. The raven can only do two of these things at once with any proficiency. The dominix can do all four at once, which is the problem.
and you can kill the raven with frigs, where the dominix will eat everything alive
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Porro
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Posted - 2006.03.01 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Porro on 01/03/2006 12:01:31 Im not entirely sure, but don't precision cruise missiles actually hurt small stuff quite a bit? Or at least more than a normal cruise :p. Also Ishtar can fit about 2 waves of heavies? Its been a while since ive flown my domi so I can't say about that.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.03.01 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: LUKEC
Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd Edited by: TuRtLe HeAd on 01/03/2006 09:22:31
I've seen more ishtars and domi's than ever thats why. There was a Time when there was nothing I wouldn't engage in my vagabond, Now Theres no point going near either the domi or the ishtar.
well the only thing that scares me in ishtar is vagabond. Kill the drones and you win. Ishtar doesn't do too much dmg and don't jam too much because it has crappy cap.
Ishtar is one of the top damage HAC out here, and a Ishtars drones are as sturdy as a small cruisers, so killing 5 of em while beeing underfire is quite a task.
Tbh, You can forget to kill drones of a ishtar/dominix, thy have enough spare room for more waves, and their drones are very tight
Yeah but they don't hit much hac orbiting at 2km /s :)
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2006.03.01 12:48:00 -
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ôok..... ....and my blasterthron will cut your domi in half in a few seconds, becouse u will have NO tank....lol My mega got 6k more pg than your domi and i still got problems to fit a full rack of neutrons+"good" tank.ö Due to the way I tank I have around about 15k totel PG and 10k+ after fitting a tank so I do have a full tank with blasters, more then enough free PG for a full neutron setup. I say around about as I am at work so I cannot login to check the precise PG. You would never kill my domi in a matter of seconds. No one has every killed me in under 1 minuet 1v1 after the first shot was fired. I choose not to use blasters now but thatÆs not because I cannot fit them. ItÆs because I prefer not to use turrets full stop. Fitting blasters is not a problem.
note: My old sniper blaster setup didnÆt have a tank but that was a PvE setup and no longer works. Well not tried it with the new stacking rules, I assume it does not work anymore.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.03.01 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: LUKEC
Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd Edited by: TuRtLe HeAd on 01/03/2006 09:22:31
I've seen more ishtars and domi's than ever thats why. There was a Time when there was nothing I wouldn't engage in my vagabond, Now Theres no point going near either the domi or the ishtar.
well the only thing that scares me in ishtar is vagabond. Kill the drones and you win. Ishtar doesn't do too much dmg and don't jam too much because it has crappy cap.
Ishtar is one of the top damage HAC out here, and a Ishtars drones are as sturdy as a small cruisers, so killing 5 of em while beeing underfire is quite a task.
Tbh, You can forget to kill drones of a ishtar/dominix, thy have enough spare room for more waves, and their drones are very tight
Yeah but they don't hit much hac orbiting at 2km /s :)
Never had problems to eat them with drones, but Im used to howitzers ,-). Tbh, just use medium drones if you see your heaves dont hit so well. You have enough room for 2x heavys 2x medium and 2x light, if I remember correctly
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Sacred Badger
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Posted - 2006.03.01 13:33:00 -
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Am i missing something with all the people saying 'the drones from the Domi count as 5 weapons with out using hi-slots'
According to the Item Database the Mega has 125m^3 of drone bay. Meaning you can carry 5 T2 Heavy drones too. Granted the Domi gets the 10% damage/hitpoint bonues per lvl of Battleship skill, but still...
Or has that been changed post-RMR? (I don't fly BS's yet and i can't get online to check in game)
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ChalSto
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Posted - 2006.03.01 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey ôok..... ....and my blasterthron will cut your domi in half in a few seconds, becouse u will have NO tank....lol My mega got 6k more pg than your domi and i still got problems to fit a full rack of neutrons+"good" tank.ö Due to the way I tank I have around about 15k totel PG and 10k+ after fitting a tank so I do have a full tank with blasters, more then enough free PG for a full neutron setup. I say around about as I am at work so I cannot login to check the precise PG. You would never kill my domi in a matter of seconds. No one has every killed me in under 1 minuet 1v1 after the first shot was fired. I choose not to use blasters now but thatÆs not because I cannot fit them. ItÆs because I prefer not to use turrets full stop. Fitting blasters is not a problem.
note: My old sniper blaster setup didnÆt have a tank but that was a PvE setup and no longer works. Well not tried it with the new stacking rules, I assume it does not work anymore.
so LOL.
6X Mondal-Neutron-Blasters (with adv.Weapon-upg L5) are what? ooooops -> 12150 PG
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Wee Dave
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Posted - 2006.03.01 13:48:00 -
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The damage bonus from the drone bonus makes the difference.
I think that a lot of the power of Gallente drone ships isn't from the increase in drone skills, so much as the hp boost. Too many people make the mistake when fighting ishkur/ishtar/dom of going for the ship instead of the drones, which just isn't going to work. Pre-RMR it might have been feasible with a gank setup to knock out the ship before the drones ate you, but now it isn't possible. Drones are tough, but not that tough, and if you kill a few of them the dps of a drone boat is cut significantly.
For instance, a Vexor can run 5 mediums and 5 lights in its bay. If you kill just three of the mediums, you've cut it down quite significantly. Five mediums and its hamstrung. But if you keep blasting away at the ship itself you will probably find the tank is only just breaking when it kills you (assuming you are in an equivalent ship type).
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Earthan
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Posted - 2006.03.01 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist Too much discussion about the Dominix and its billion setups, when the problem is with the Blasterthron. Its inherent suckyness is due to several factors.
1. Blasterthron its an absolute nightmare to fit. 2. Blasters have marginal benefits over longer range weapons. 3. Every bship fits nos, because of their huge impact on small craft - which also manages to screw every blasterthron. 4. Missiles work better at close range than blasters ever will.
exactly
Dominix is ok , problem is megathron/blasters weakness.
Dont say the solution is to nerf drones so dominix is weaker.Then gallente pilots will have to 2 weak battleships , how great solving of the problem wow.
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TuRtLe HeAd
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Posted - 2006.03.01 14:25:00 -
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The solution is Nerf Jamming so the Dominix isn't so powerful !
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Thrinnor
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Posted - 2006.03.01 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: ChalSto
Originally by: Pottsey ôok..... ....and my blasterthron will cut your domi in half in a few seconds, becouse u will have NO tank....lol My mega got 6k more pg than your domi and i still got problems to fit a full rack of neutrons+"good" tank.ö Due to the way I tank I have around about 15k totel PG and 10k+ after fitting a tank so I do have a full tank with blasters, more then enough free PG for a full neutron setup. I say around about as I am at work so I cannot login to check the precise PG. You would never kill my domi in a matter of seconds. No one has every killed me in under 1 minuet 1v1 after the first shot was fired. I choose not to use blasters now but thatÆs not because I cannot fit them. ItÆs because I prefer not to use turrets full stop. Fitting blasters is not a problem.
note: My old sniper blaster setup didnÆt have a tank but that was a PvE setup and no longer works. Well not tried it with the new stacking rules, I assume it does not work anymore.
so LOL.
6X Mondal-Neutron-Blasters (with adv.Weapon-upg L5) are what? ooooops -> 12150 PG
WTB Dominix with more than 11250 PG with Engeneering L5
As she's shield tanking, I'm willing to bet the lows will be a mix of RCUs and PDSs
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.03.01 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: Crellion on 01/03/2006 15:55:18 Fix blasters and nerf jamming.... edit: 4tw
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Bazman
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Posted - 2006.03.01 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Zysco
Originally by: Bazman Real men use Dual 250mm II's tbh, nobody expects to be drilled by railguns when they see a Dominix! :P
go watch my vid, d250 II 4tw!
I have so many vids yours is probably buried amongst them,
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Wee Dave
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Posted - 2006.03.01 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Thrinnor
Originally by: ChalSto
Originally by: Pottsey ôok..... ....and my blasterthron will cut your domi in half in a few seconds, becouse u will have NO tank....lol My mega got 6k more pg than your domi and i still got problems to fit a full rack of neutrons+"good" tank.ö Due to the way I tank I have around about 15k totel PG and 10k+ after fitting a tank so I do have a full tank with blasters, more then enough free PG for a full neutron setup. I say around about as I am at work so I cannot login to check the precise PG. You would never kill my domi in a matter of seconds. No one has every killed me in under 1 minuet 1v1 after the first shot was fired. I choose not to use blasters now but thatÆs not because I cannot fit them. ItÆs because I prefer not to use turrets full stop. Fitting blasters is not a problem.
note: My old sniper blaster setup didnÆt have a tank but that was a PvE setup and no longer works. Well not tried it with the new stacking rules, I assume it does not work anymore.
so LOL.
6X Mondal-Neutron-Blasters (with adv.Weapon-upg L5) are what? ooooops -> 12150 PG
WTB Dominix with more than 11250 PG with Engeneering L5
As she's shield tanking, I'm willing to bet the lows will be a mix of RCUs and PDSs
I remember a heavy pg setup from a while ago to fit 6 heavy NOS (pg 12,000 I believe).
Went something like this:
6 heavy NOS 1 large cap booster 1 xl clarity ward booster, shield hardeners, scrambler if you want it
7 pdus
So I think that you could adapt that to a blaster setup relatively easily as it would only be an extra 150 pg. Changing a pdu for an rcu wouldn't be the end of the world even if it was necessary.
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Death Merchant
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Posted - 2006.03.01 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Aakron Edited by: Aakron on 27/02/2006 20:06:59 Do we really need to nerf Nos/drones or Domis? I fly both Mega and Domi and I dont want to turn the domi into a pathetic and less versatile ship. Seriously please just boost the damage of mega blasters so that if you get into range you do the damage you deserve to do
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