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Isky Iskerson
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Posted - 2006.02.26 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tarri
There is nothing called truth, only point of views.... And how can you judge what's right if you are
member of one of the involved parties?
Wow, innane remedial philosophy FTL.
Anyway- back to the POINT as it appears to me:
1. Noone is debating the validity of the logs posted by SirMolle, only that small bits have been left out. But both sides agree that they were irrelvent anyway.
2. This whole thing is about pride. FIX was ready to stand down but the need for an ego boost prompted SA to retract a deal that would have been in both allience's best interests, in order to squeeze a bit of humiliation out of their old friends.
BoB intervined becasue they have a tactical interest in a secure and peaceful border. I think that they liked and respected both parties was an additional, yet not a deciding, factor in that move. BoB got upset beacuse their deal (which to all parties appeared equitable and welcome) was p1ssed on. Plus the fact that SA attacked them in their space left no recourse (in both pride and image) but to make SA their enemies.
Now neither side can back down without losing tremedous face and since the region now in question is filled with unconquerable stations, this is not a war that can truly end by military might.
So what happens?
My prediction:
Within the next 5 weeks, SA will have lost a good number of their members due to the fact that Eve is suddenly alot less fun for them. The hardcores will remain and make life as miserable as they can for FIX.
BoB will get bored with running fleets into empty space and turn their attention elseware and FIX will have to watch local a bit more closely when they go out to mine.
This war will end as most wars in 0.0 do... not with a bang, but with a "Dude, let's just go run missions in empire."
The real purpose of 80% of the posts on this thred was to simply draw attention away from the information submitted at the start. And all that needed to be said was simply stated by that information.
I thank SirMolle for providing a closer look at eve politics among great alliences and for giving me some backstory in regards to current events.
And even though I didn't make any political contributions, as a general disclaimer I don't speak or represent anything or anyone but myself.
See you in space 
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Orc A
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Posted - 2006.02.26 13:32:00 -
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Yea, whatever m8.
I hardlly see being a Demagogue and a lyrical acrobat as a vitue.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.02.26 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 26/02/2006 13:34:07
Originally by: Orc A
Yea, whatever m8.
I hardlly see being a Demagogue and a lyrical acrobat as a vitue.
Virtue, surely?
They are the tools of diplomacy Orc A. Not even the fancy power-tools that you really wish you had, they are the hammer and nails.
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Orc A
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Posted - 2006.02.26 13:34:00 -
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Onward: Pardon, but Fix's Announcement of the ceasefire was hardlly admitting surrender.
Not only did they never admit surrender, they denied it in their chat with me.
How can you blame SA for being unsatisfied with that?
We faught hard and worked hard and invested much isk in this campaign. Do you really think we would be willing to sattle for anything less then total victory just ebcause BoB wants itt hat way?
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Christopher Multsanti
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Posted - 2006.02.26 13:36:00 -
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Ok I enjoyed reading the chatlogs, it was a very interesting read indeed.
But this petty back and forth of smack wars is making BOB and SA look stupid. tbh Orc if you were in my alliance I would be more than happy to back your word after the post by Molle but after the 13 pages of smack you have just been involved in I would now have to think twice if I was in SA. And all the BOB members now playing the smack game, you are destroying all the goodwork done by Molles post.
Its getting silly now, just stop it.
/emote goes to apply for a job as a UN peacekeeper.
Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Step two will be get pwned lots.
Step three = NAP the 5.
Isn't that the way you did it?
yes
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Orc A
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Posted - 2006.02.26 13:36:00 -
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Edited by: Orc A on 26/02/2006 13:36:22
Avon, If not being a demagogue and a lyrical acrobat makes me a bad Diplomat, then i admit being a bad diplo.
However, better a bad diplomat and a decent person then an assh0le and the best diplomat ingame, ye?
And, whoa re you to dictate how i should conduct my duties?
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Orc A
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Posted - 2006.02.26 13:37:00 -
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/me points to the post where Orc suggested to end the smack war but was dragged on my the Bob Forum warriors.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.02.26 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Orc A
Onward: Pardon, but Fix's Announcement of the ceasefire was hardlly admitting surrender.
Not only did they never admit surrender, they denied it in their chat with me.
How can you blame SA for being unsatisfied with that?
We faught hard and worked hard and invested much isk in this campaign. Do you really think we would be willing to sattle for anything less then total victory just ebcause BoB wants itt hat way?
Another dumb position.
SA do not fear defeat because in Eve it is impossible to defeat an alliance, and yet they claim they would defeat FIX.
How?
By reducing them to an alliance with no space to call their own?
No stations of their own?
No more assets in space?
Nothing left to defend?
By those critera SA are already defeated.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Avon
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Posted - 2006.02.26 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Orc A
/me points to the post where Orc suggested to end the smack war but was dragged on my the Bob Forum warriors.
No, you said quite clearly you would not post again.
Still, it isn't like we are used to you being true to your word.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Orc A
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Posted - 2006.02.26 13:39:00 -
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Quote:
Another dumb position.
SA do not fear defeat because in Eve it is impossible to defeat an alliance, and yet they claim they would defeat FIX.
How?
By reducing them to an alliance with no space to call their own?
No stations of their own?
No more assets in space?
Nothing left to defend?
By those critera SA are already defeated.
Well, it's a good thing then you aren't incharge of deciding how we kill them i guess.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.02.26 13:40:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 26/02/2006 13:44:12
Originally by: Orc A
Well, it's a good thing then you aren't incharge of deciding how we kill them i guess.
So, how about you make public now what you would consider victory over FIX?
Added: Actually I really have had enough of this thread. It is a bit like teasing a kitten with a crumpled up bit of paper on a string.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Equinox II
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Posted - 2006.02.26 13:49:00 -
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I love this, it's better than TV :)
CCP Hammer > Next patch we will make sure to boost Amarr and Nerf Caldari. |
Kaeten
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Posted - 2006.02.26 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Equinox II
I love this, it's better than TV :)
lol
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Torment
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Posted - 2006.02.26 14:00:00 -
[374]
Originally by: Avon
Edited by: Avon on 26/02/2006 13:44:12
Originally by: Orc A
Well, it's a good thing then you aren't incharge of deciding how we kill them i guess.
So, how about you make public now what you would consider victory over FIX?
Added: Actually I really have had enough of this thread. It is a bit like teasing a kitten with a crumpled up bit of paper on a string.
So that mean your gonna stop posting then ....i think most agree that will be a good thing.
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2006.02.26 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Torment
Originally by: Avon
Edited by: Avon on 26/02/2006 13:44:12
Originally by: Orc A
Well, it's a good thing then you aren't incharge of deciding how we kill them i guess.
So, how about you make public now what you would consider victory over FIX?
Added: Actually I really have had enough of this thread. It is a bit like teasing a kitten with a crumpled up bit of paper on a string.
So that mean your gonna stop posting then....i think most agree that will be a good thing.
hmm nope
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HellsRazor
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Posted - 2006.02.26 14:03:00 -
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Edited by: HellsRazor on 26/02/2006 14:05:17
Originally by: Avon
Edited by: Avon on 26/02/2006 13:37:50
Originally by: Orc A
Onward: Pardon, but Fix's Announcement of the ceasefire was hardlly admitting surrender.
Not only did they never admit surrender, they denied it in their chat with me.
How can you blame SA for being unsatisfied with that?
We faught hard and worked hard and invested much isk in this campaign. Do you really think we would be willing to sattle for anything less then total victory just ebcause BoB wants itt hat way?
Another dumb position.
SA do not fear defeat because in Eve it is impossible to defeat an alliance, and yet they claim they would defeat FIX.
How?
By reducing them to an alliance with no space to call their own?
No stations of their own?
No more assets in space?
Nothing left to defend?
By those criteria SA are already defeated.
o really if you believe that then i guess MC isnt an alliance either( since MC not on map there defeated i guess) 
SA just want to kill FIXIES.... dont care for stations... or space ... just want FIX dead and FIX "FATHER" is no matter.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2006.02.26 14:11:00 -
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I'd like to nominate Orc A for this years Aidonis award. He's like the Kofi Annan of EVE. Seriously.
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MalaMo
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Posted - 2006.02.26 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: HellsRazor
SA just want to kill FIXIES.... dont care for stations... or space ... just want FIX dead and FIX "FATHER" is no matter.
In other words only good FIX-ian is DEAD FIX-ian. Yarrrr 
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TWD
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Posted - 2006.02.26 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: HellsRazor
SA just want to kill FIXIES.... dont care for stations... or space ... just want FIX dead and FIX "FATHER" is no matter.
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HellsRazor
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Posted - 2006.02.26 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: TWD
Originally by: HellsRazor
SA just want to kill FIXIES.... dont care for stations... or space ... just want FIX dead and FIX "FATHER" is no matter.
Woa. Can you repeat that again?
umm ok..?
SA just want to kill FIXIES.... dont care for stations... or space ... just want FIX dead and FIX "FATHER" is no matter.
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Kira Knightly
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Posted - 2006.02.26 14:21:00 -
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To be honest i've really enjoyed this thread. Keep in mind there is only one winner in this though.
The manufacturers !!!!!!!
Long live the Dead Ships of War.
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Calisto Lockhart
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Posted - 2006.02.26 14:23:00 -
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this thread shows me many things.
anyone with half a mind would not accept such retarded terms, you speak of not wanting to be slaves. and yet try to do the same to FIX wtf
dosent the fact that so many none SA have stated there support mean anything to you, it means they dont really want SA dead.
when i was was much younger i wanted to join SA, it was a golden time with MASS running the show. after that we had all the SE VS SA bs (no need to go into that) which showed a very decayed stain. SA has now fallen so far that a snivelling inept "diplomat" is aggravating everyone. This is not only a dark time for SA, but for the whole of eve. How a great alliance is been dragged down. until someone steps up to the plate and accepts the stupidity of the choices made , weather orc, his boss (who many doubt exist) or anyone. because even if SA endure, NO ONE will be able to deal with them after the moronic diplomacy, changing terms, and orc been a damm child.
I am not a bob fanboi, many people no i dislike them, but i admire them too. as i used to admire SA
Please SA get your act togther, your current leadership structure is broke, you hvae agrogged eve. no one respect the alliance (though they do certain members)
MAKE SA WHAT IT WAS, not the shambles it is now
Originally by: Noriath
Eve PvP is like bad sex. There is no foreplay and it's over in 30 seconds.
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TWD
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Posted - 2006.02.26 14:26:00 -
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Edited by: TWD on 26/02/2006 14:26:05
Originally by: HellsRazor
umm ok..?
SA just want to kill FIXIES.... dont care for stations... or space ... just want FIX dead and FIX "FATHER" is no matter.
whats up why the WHAO? unless you admit "FATHER" referrs to your alliance and not maybe any other "FRENS" of FIX ;p propaganda is so funny 
So the plan of your alliance is "to kill FIXIES" and you don't care about stations or space?
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creas
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Posted - 2006.02.26 14:33:00 -
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o jeeez guys. This forum posting has at most shown to me, pilots that are not involved in the conflict spend way to much time reading and posting to somethng they claim is aggrivating eve as a whole.
Yet they spend the time to read it all and reply when clearly if they just ignored the post there little carebear life will continue without even knowing. So keep ignorantly believing there is not behind the scene issues that occur.
I hope the blood of those snooping get shed in this conflict, and note are taken on comments from entities negative to both sides.
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dantes inferno
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Posted - 2006.02.26 14:36:00 -
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well if this post is to cause dissent in sa...it failing misserably as it is unifying us, as previously stated i was very much against fighting bob...after seeing this and the other threads im now for this war, im sure a lot agree with me..the attitude of the bob members here has driven it home that we were not viewed as friends and allys...but servents, granted their are things here im not happy with...but fighting bob is no longer one of those issues.
Now as to why SA did not want to stop fighting fix? or why we would want to humiliate them...for one moment put yourself in our place, and examine the relationship we have with fix
1) the coalliton/Fix war..Fix invade catch forcing us to drop what were doing to drive them out..once this was achived bob but in and force a peace between both partys...belive me the coalition (who most of which are now in sa) were not to happy with this, and nor were fix to my undertanding..but now the seeds for our bad relations are set
2) SE give Catch to FIX..a region which we had been contestng since the beginning of the civil war, FIX accept this region using the flimsy reasons that there had been no sa precense in catch and it was not contested under a civil war..as there was no civil war..they were wrong on both counts (mass had been into FAT several times before FIX rolled in). this infuriated SA...but we let it go in intrests of southern unity.
3) G/IRON invade...fix send a fleet to help once or twice..a lot of sa re-evaluate our opinions of FIX at this point...only for them to thrown it in our faces by declaring us KOS over several incident no one in SA had been confronted over, FIX at the time would have no discussions over the matter..they then proceded to fire upon us in our main route to Empire (corridor) while we were trying to fight of G./IRON who had now invaded ASCN...there was specilation that G/IRON may of bribed fix to do this, as it made no sence otherwise...well nedless to say SA got annoyed and attack fix...again BOB stick their nose in at FIX request...now though we would of accepted peace..we were far from happy with it for what would stop fix from starting another war with us when we have our backs turned then run to bob again if things go badly for them...it was a vicious circle we did not want to be in
Now who here could honestly say that if their neigbhours were treating them like fix treated us...would you tolerate it? look how bob is having an anerisum over this incident which is nothing compared to how much rubbish we get of fix.
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This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist |
Malken
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Posted - 2006.02.26 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Orc A
Edited by: Orc A on 26/02/2006 13:19:16
Heh.
Okey, lets simplefy:
SA and FiX and BoB broker a deal.
SA adds terms.
FiX and BoB don't like the New terms.
BoB begins tossing threats into the air.
SA Decides it will not be treated in such manner.
SA understands that the price for peace here is our Honour.
SA declared war on BoB.
Better?
Btw...
You are a... demagogue
Lyrical acrobacy is indeed a rare tallent but i think you are overdoing it abit.
shouldnt it be.....
SA and FiX and BoB broker a deal.
Orc A adds terms.
FiX and BoB don't like the New terms.
BoB says stick to the deal you made
Orc A Decides his epeen is the greatest.
Orc A dont understand that the requirement for peace here is to Honor a deal made.
Orc A declared war on BoB.
better?
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Nifel
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Posted - 2006.02.26 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: dantes inferno
well if this post is to cause dissent in sa...it failing misserably as it is unifying us, as previously stated i was very much against fighting bob...after seeing this and the other threads im now for this war, im sure a lot agree with me..the attitude of the bob members here has driven it home that we were not viewed as friends and allys...but servents, granted their are things here im not happy with...but fighting bob is no longer one of those issues.
I think you'll find that the general attitude of members in BoB is that we think Orc A is an idiot. You'll also find that we think SA provoked BoB by declaring war on us as well as bringing a fleet into our heartland. No buts, we thought, we felt, etc can change the fact that SA brought this to BoBs doorstep and into the living room.
And finally we're baffled that you're actually backing up Orc A and whoever his mysterious superiors are since they clearly broke a deal, attacked us without provocation and then won't take responsibility and keep denying it's their fault. Somehow the big bad BoB provoked a 'response' by forcing them to do a preemptive strike.
"We wield swords for the sound of laughter that used to be there long ago."
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MalaMo
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Posted - 2006.02.26 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Nifel
attacked us without provocation and then won't take responsibility and keep denying it's their fault. Somehow the big bad BoB provoked a 'response' by forcing them to do a preemptive strike.
Lol like frig incident with FA :)
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Melkinor T'sbanion
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Posted - 2006.02.26 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: dantes inferno
3) G/IRON invade...fix send a fleet to help once or twice..a lot of sa re-evaluate our opinions of FIX at this point...only for them to thrown it in our faces by declaring us KOS over several incident no one in SA had been confronted over , FIX at the time would have no discussions over the matter..they then proceded to fire upon us in our main route to Empire (corridor) while we were trying to fight of G./IRON who had now invaded ASCN.
This is the part that kills me. Orc A may remember his brilliant piece of diplomacy over the setting of standings.
Declaring us KOS: FIX diplomat tried to discuss with Orc A the several incidents. FIX decided to set them as NUETRAL. 0.0 standings. Orc flips out, says FIX has a NBSI policy, that's the same as KOS. He says he will set FIX at -10. FIX returns the favor.
I was on some excursions in the corridor. We let most nuetrals go. We would only shoot known enemies.
NBSI was only for FIX controlled space. Stay out of our space, don't shoot us, things are OK.
It was as if SA was just looking for a fight ... (needless to say, some FIXians were also looking forward to killing some SA, it was SA's setting FIX to -10 that allowed their wish to be granted.)
just my 2 isk from an ex-FIXian
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Hellraiza666
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Posted - 2006.02.26 15:04:00 -
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JERRY JERRY JERRY!
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