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Rijji
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Posted - 2006.02.24 10:41:00 -
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Apparently this morning I read the following PA Corp news, showing how terrible situation in PA is.
24-2-2006. "The hours PA has are the most difficult in it's whole history. The situation is hopeless since one after the other the coprs quit the alliance. On the other side PA enemies grow. Now PA has to face the following alliances : [5], KAOS Empire, F-E, [G], IRON, Razor, BOB, Babylon Alliance, Dominion Empire and few other corps like KIA, Goonfleet KHM Corp, Black Hole INC!! Informaly PA is finished."
The same corp wrote few days ago
18-2-2006 : "Early this morning, united PA & NBSI forces destroyed [5] POS in bkg-q2 giving a strong answer and message to the enemies that we will fight until the end united.
12-2-2006 : "It's known that [5] are perturbed and terribly disturbed from Mythos Corp success against them. After the camp at 9-2 gate in D-8 system, first time since the start of the war between PA and [5], we have the use of Elite Destroyer Class Interdictor with Warp-Disrupting interdiction Spheres, it became stronger and more often [5] presence in K3 with 10-15 ship gangs, camping outside the station. All the above came to confirm the rumours regarding the operations start from [5] against the most strong PA PVP corporations (Mythos + HAOS), trying to weak PA military."
Those messages are translated from non english language. And if requested I can supply the links and screenshots from the PA corp who wrote them.
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The Ratfink
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Posted - 2006.02.24 10:44:00 -
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Oh get ready for the flames
and First \o/
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Crimsonjade
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Posted - 2006.02.24 10:47:00 -
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i <3 alts
and 1 Corps news is hardly going to decide the outcome of PA..
but GOOO everyone killing them off!
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christoforos
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Posted - 2006.02.24 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Rijji Apparently this morning I read the following PA Corp news, showing how terrible situation in PA is.
Hi Apoll. Just trying to be true to our name. Right now we are finishing with the burning.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2006.02.24 10:54:00 -
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Its hardly News to anyone except the members of the PA tbh.
KIA Piccys
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SinBin
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Posted - 2006.02.24 10:55:00 -
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Dim Alts.
To be fair, PA has been around a very long time being dead & always lived in BKG, I think thats pritty impressive wile half the other allaince have been push & poked all round eve, they truely deserve there name.
Top Job PA keep it up.
5/F-E/KAOS I think are about to be a little busy to have time for PA attacking & half the other you metions are nothing up here. _______________________________________
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.02.24 10:57:00 -
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old news tbh..
While PA may have held up hopes of hiding behind various other groups, in the end, that is never a successful long term strategy. Once PA realised it couldnt deal with it's own problems itself this incarnation of PA was finished.
Not sure what the what the rest is about, Mythos have been the most active PA of late (HAOS is back in empire from what i see), but alone there was little they could do. I guess hats off for trying to the end, but they really werent enuff to concern us.. everyone 0.0 has it's local pirates, venal is no different
--thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
We do not go hunting, cuz hunting infers the possibility of failure.. We go killing... |
Hermia
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Posted - 2006.02.24 11:06:00 -
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I doubt PAs death will hold much significance, its hardly the original bunch.
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2006.02.24 11:09:00 -
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wish pa would actually die this time though :S
Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful
I Luv Teh Parm!!1 - Imaran |
Invisible Touch
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Posted - 2006.02.24 11:22:00 -
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It's nothing new, PA& NBSI are facing all these alliances plus some followers. And nothing new that the future doesnt look promising. I doubt it there is a force in Eve able to withstand all these hostile forces.
In general what's happening in Venal, Branch, Tenal is nothing anyone following the events in the area would be surprised about.
The only thing I got is that there is no "dark side" in Eve anymore
As far as my ex-corpmates are concerned, afaik they had some good fights mainly with KAOS around K3, with mostly excellent results. Much better than what we got after our last suicide run in BKG. Oh well it was fun anyway
And keep in mind that internal forums and comms sometimes exaggerate things for raising up morale. Nothing new there too...
Time to rebuild? We will see.
Creating is way better than destroying
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ZedLey
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Posted - 2006.02.24 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: SinBin Dim Alts.
To be fair, PA has been around a very long time being dead & always lived in BKG, I think thats pritty impressive wile half the other allaince have been push & poked all round eve, they truely deserve there name.
Top Job PA keep it up.
5/F-E/KAOS I think are about to be a little busy to have time for PA attacking & half the other you metions are nothing up here.
You need a taste of reality
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Jungle Jim
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Posted - 2006.02.24 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: SinBin Dim Alts. 5/F-E/KAOS I think are about to be a little busy to have time for PA attacking & half the other you metions are nothing up here.
Is this based on what you have seen and heard like all your other posts?
*** Proud First Time Winner of the MLM Muppet Award *** |
IronCommander
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Posted - 2006.02.24 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: ZedLey
Originally by: SinBin Dim Alts.
To be fair, PA has been around a very long time being dead & always lived in BKG, I think thats pritty impressive wile half the other allaince have been push & poked all round eve, they truely deserve there name.
Top Job PA keep it up.
5/F-E/KAOS I think are about to be a little busy to have time for PA attacking & half the other you metions are nothing up here.
You need a taste of reality
you 2
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2006.02.24 11:50:00 -
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personally i don't care if they're dead/dying/corps leaving
it's the fact that months ago 3 alliances claimed they beat the five and declared war.
wars were made mutual
2 out of 3 have been retracted leaving only NBSI left.
i hope other alliances take note, and don't talk so big in the future when dealing with ATUK and the five.
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gdfgsgsegrerg
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Posted - 2006.02.24 11:55:00 -
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go NBSI, if i remember correctly they dec'd [5] first, and are the last to keep fighting, go on guys, first in last out.
[5] rock, i wish i was uber as well
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.02.24 11:57:00 -
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Surely, by the definition of it being the Phoenix Alliance, it can never be destroyed?
Consider your sig tainted, and all your alcohol stolen - Wrangler Beer=Beer+3 |
Mart'Ak
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Posted - 2006.02.24 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: Mart''Ak on 24/02/2006 12:13:20 Hi,
Much as I dislike alts, I have to use one in this instance, please forgive.
The initial post, although unfairly putting private internal news on a public forum, is in essence quite correct. In a surreal kind of way, there is an exciting aspect to the situation, like the fall of Saigon. More than once I have seen PA haulers heading away towards NBSI and 5 lacky Haulers heading in, over the last few days.
How did we, PA, get here? well in all honesty, simply no leadership at all, as such no unity and no will. Its funny someone should mention that this is not the PA of old.. for months many have argued just that, that continuing hostilities and negative attitudes to various alliances and corps based on ancient history was stupid.. but what was left of the old guard insisted.
PA hasnt had leadership for almost 6 months, yes various people have stood up to try, most notably Anhilus. However none of them wanted it and most seemed to caretake the position while waiting for someone better to arrive. The irony is we did have potentially strong and dynamic leaders in our ranks, but everytime an election was forced, PA elected yet another middle of the road ineffective leader.
The last major PA fleet actions where months ago, since then its just been the PvP corps holding the line, often alone or in small numbers, since any unified military planning or authority vanished after Anhilus disappeared. Those Corps are few, Mythos and HAOS in the north, ECP Rogues further south in FE and individual pilots such as Spleefo etc. PedroFTW and Pacifica have been the only thing holding PA together in that time, trying to organise.. keeping corps in PA etc etc.
Thus with no genuine fleet, but thinly spread individual pilots and a handful of PvP corps, plus the woeful lack of any capital ship numbers at all, things are reaching thier natural end.
Strangely, something i give PA much respect for, there is no great sense of panic nor fatalistic attitude. People are quite calm about things, to a certain degree amazed we made it this far! There are not recriminations, no finger pointing and no anger.
Most simply, it all ended with one order from our new leader, Wimbishi. I'm aware of his history in old PA, but he seems capable and he earned my respect from realising instantly the brutal truth or PA's situation. The order?:
Pack up, secure all assets and move out.
PA may have lost this round but I suspect they will do what is necessary and perhaps one day they will achieve some kind of return to thier homeland. I suspect it will be a long and hard road, but the lessons from these events will be learned.
Certainly PA will shrink rapidly, just the PA die-hards left (who quite frankly can border on cultists at times, many a time in the last 2 months PvP guys on the front line have tried to get them to understand that PA was crumbling under pressure and something radical needed to be done only to hear 'we are PA, PA will never die'.. leaving wiser heads pointing out that this was all well and good but perhaps we still needed to actually DO something to ensure that). Other will move on I think.
It could have been very different, all the ingrediants were there for a succesful fight, the right people, the right skills. Just a woeful lack or leadership and often (from PA command) a serious lack of touch with reality.
So in honesty I think certainly the PvP corps can be allowed to walk away with pride at having held the line as long as they could, a tiny minority trying to take the fight to the enemy. The rest of PA will skulk off back to empire and new homes, and the hardcore? well NBSI for them i think.
I am greatful to have experienced a great chapter of eve, to bear witness to momentus change, which will continue in the North for sometime to come.
PA is dead / Long Live PA |
Sun Ra
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Posted - 2006.02.24 12:35:00 -
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Only reason Pa lived on after the GNW is cos it kept filling its ranks with silly 10-30man corps to make up numbers after the half decent ones left (CELEST, CE, GODS, KIA etc), fresh cannon fodder/meat shields if you must, problem is these corps are even more useless than what came before.
Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas' |
Yazoul Samaiel
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Posted - 2006.02.24 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: SinBin Dim Alts.
To be fair, PA has been around a very long time being dead & always lived in BKG, I think thats pritty impressive wile half the other allaince have been push & poked all round eve, they truely deserve there name.
Top Job PA keep it up.
5/F-E/KAOS I think are about to be a little busy to have time for PA attacking & half the other you metions are nothing up here.
Who ratteled ur cage ??? WTS T2 Clues "What ever that doesnt Kill me just makes me stronger"
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Zzazzt
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Posted - 2006.02.24 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Mart'Ak Edited by: Mart''Ak on 24/02/2006 12:13:20 Hi,
Much as I dislike alts, I have to use one in this instance, please forgive.
The initial post, although unfairly putting private internal news on a public forum, is in essence quite correct. In a surreal kind of way, there is an exciting aspect to the situation, like the fall of Saigon. More than once I have seen PA haulers heading away towards NBSI and 5 lacky Haulers heading in, over the last few days.
How did we, PA, get here? well in all honesty, simply no leadership at all, as such no unity and no will. Its funny someone should mention that this is not the PA of old.. for months many have argued just that, that continuing hostilities and negative attitudes to various alliances and corps based on ancient history was stupid.. but what was left of the old guard insisted.
PA hasnt had leadership for almost 6 months, yes various people have stood up to try, most notably Anhilus. However none of them wanted it and most seemed to caretake the position while waiting for someone better to arrive. The irony is we did have potentially strong and dynamic leaders in our ranks, but everytime an election was forced, PA elected yet another middle of the road ineffective leader.
The last major PA fleet actions where months ago, since then its just been the PvP corps holding the line, often alone or in small numbers, since any unified military planning or authority vanished after Anhilus disappeared. Those Corps are few, Mythos and HAOS in the north, ECP Rogues further south in FE and individual pilots such as Spleefo etc. PedroFTW and Pacifica have been the only thing holding PA together in that time, trying to organise.. keeping corps in PA etc etc.
Thus with no genuine fleet, but thinly spread individual pilots and a handful of PvP corps, plus the woeful lack of any capital ship numbers at all, things are reaching thier natural end.
Strangely, something i give PA much respect for, there is no great sense of panic nor fatalistic attitude. People are quite calm about things, to a certain degree amazed we made it this far! There are not recriminations, no finger pointing and no anger.
Most simply, it all ended with one order from our new leader, Wimbishi. I'm aware of his history in old PA, but he seems capable and he earned my respect from realising instantly the brutal truth or PA's situation. The order?:
Pack up, secure all assets and move out.
PA may have lost this round but I suspect they will do what is necessary and perhaps one day they will achieve some kind of return to thier homeland. I suspect it will be a long and hard road, but the lessons from these events will be learned.
Certainly PA will shrink rapidly, just the PA die-hards left (who quite frankly can border on cultists at times, many a time in the last 2 months PvP guys on the front line have tried to get them to understand that PA was crumbling under pressure and something radical needed to be done only to hear 'we are PA, PA will never die'.. leaving wiser heads pointing out that this was all well and good but perhaps we still needed to actually DO something to ensure that). Other will move on I think.
It could have been very different, all the ingrediants were there for a succesful fight, the right people, the right skills. Just a woeful lack or leadership and often (from PA command) a serious lack of touch with reality.
So in honesty I think certainly the PvP corps can be allowed to walk away with pride at having held the line as long as they could, a tiny minority trying to take the fight to the enemy. The rest of PA will skulk off back to empire and new homes, and the hardcore? well NBSI for them i think.
I am greatful to have experienced a great chapter of eve, to bear witness to momentus change, which will continue in the North for sometime to come.
PA is dead / Long Live PA
Good post. ____________________________________________
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Madboy
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Posted - 2006.02.24 12:46:00 -
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Wow, lucky you posted that vital information.
I was getting worried that no one would finish this weekday without say that PA was dead.
I can sleep peacefully now.. - MadBoy
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.02.24 12:51:00 -
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I am sure Paintball and his friends spending more time south ganking people in their hacs than defending their home or help f-e fight (back when f-e was still against 5) didnt help either...
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2006.02.24 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: SinBin Dim Alts.
To be fair, PA has been around a very long time being dead & always lived in BKG, I think thats pritty impressive wile half the other allaince have been push & poked all round eve, they truely deserve there name.
Top Job PA keep it up.
5/F-E/KAOS I think are about to be a little busy to have time for PA attacking & half the other you metions are nothing up here.
FYI, PA has not always been in BKG, or Venal for that matter. There were more than several months where the Phoenix Alliance could be called the Nonni Alliance. Not to add to the flaming, but PA as an alliance has failed in defending pretty much every invasion since it was founded. The only reason it hasn't lost Branch is because 5 haven't attacked it.
I don't know what purpose there is in trying to own Venal, but I'm sure if they wanted to get themselves into POS wars they would of focused on RA.
Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame. |
Poister
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Posted - 2006.02.24 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jungle Jim
Originally by: SinBin Dim Alts. 5/F-E/KAOS I think are about to be a little busy to have time for PA attacking & half the other you metions are nothing up here.
Is this based on what you have seen and heard like all your other posts?
hehe jim talking but still not doing i see, you need to get in gang and take zz with u.
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Invisible Touch
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Posted - 2006.02.24 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mart'Ak Edited by: Mart''Ak on 24/02/2006 12:13:20 ...
I am greatful to have experienced a great chapter of eve, to bear witness to momentus change, which will continue in the North for sometime to come.
PA is dead / Long Live PA
Altough I disagree in a few bits and pieces, a very good and honest post imho.
No need for an alt post.
Respect.
Finally there's no dark side in Eve
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2006.02.24 13:30:00 -
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There goes meh killmails
Unnerf Amarr!! '.. it in your chase after the imaginary "endgame fun"... which actually doesn't exist.' j0sephine |
Buzee
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Posted - 2006.02.24 13:36:00 -
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Edited by: Buzee on 24/02/2006 13:36:44 Edited by: Buzee on 24/02/2006 13:36:34 damn alt
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SWAT Kat
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Posted - 2006.02.24 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: SWAT Kat on 24/02/2006 13:38:26
Originally by: Poister
Originally by: Jungle Jim
Originally by: SinBin Dim Alts. 5/F-E/KAOS I think are about to be a little busy to have time for PA attacking & half the other you metions are nothing up here.
Is this based on what you have seen and heard like all your other posts?
hehe jim talking but still not doing i see, you need to get in gang and take zz with u.
i couldn't resist...you and your brother although good pilots i must confess are way out of touch with whats going on. its a case of never seeing the bigger picture.Glad to see you left. I hope you both don't get Rage of Angels into trouble sooner or later cus i dont see Markie or Gull forum trolling..just u 2 all d time(we who must be heard from all the time..wonders if every account were to be like you both..RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE. Good luck in all your endeavours
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Poister
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Posted - 2006.02.24 13:47:00 -
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Posted - 2006.02.24 13:36:00 - [27] - Quote --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally by: Poister --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally by: Jungle Jim --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally by: SinBin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dim Alts. 5/F-E/KAOS I think are about to be a little busy to have time for PA attacking & half the other you metions are nothing up here. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Is this based on what you have seen and heard like all your other posts?
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hehe jim talking but still not doing i see, you need to get in gang and take zz with u.
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i couldn't resist...you and your brother although good pilots i must confess are way out of touch with whats going on. its a case of never seeing the bigger picture.Glad to see you left. I hope you both don't get Rage of Angels into trouble sooner or later cus i dont see Markie or Gull forum trolling..just u 2 all d time(we who must be heard from all the..wonders if every account were to be like you both..RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE. Good luck in all your endeavours
haha :P
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Dahin
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Posted - 2006.02.24 14:03:00 -
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Hi Apoll, how are you? You have crossed the line this time. Time to put your dirty laundry on the line.
Maza happens to be a greek-only corp, exactly like Mythos. Apoll (the main of this trolling alt, I bet my entire stash of corpses on that) used to be in Mythos. After quite a long time of him being in the corp, he happened to leave the corp. I've heard rumours that he wasn't offered assistance to move his stuff to empire and he got ****ed.
Anyway, since Maza has an open recruitment for anyone from mythos or any other greek for that matter, we accepted him in our corp. He lurked around a bit, not doing much etc. It seems he had some very deep hatred for Mythos because they didn't have his babies or something, so he left us too to join BoB (a good bet is he did that only to shoot back at mythos).
Since then, his arrogance and clear lowly hatred over Mythos was more than apparent. We had him show up on our teamspeak server only to smack mythos (when he even knows we are on very good terms with them). Last time he showed up, he mentioned EXACTLY the same stuff here. Yadda yadda mythos that, yadda yadda mythos got spanked. Ofc, I have the link he is referring to. It's the mythos greek newspage, which he seems to stalk in fervor (I had no idea that a newspage like that existed). This very post is something like a transcript of his latest ramblings on ts.
Apoll: you have managed with one trollthread to alienate yourself from all the greek corps in the game. You have shown immense disrespect to your previous corpmates and an alliance you were literally born in. Also, you degraded to the use of an alt smacktard. For a GAME you probably lost RL friends (I never happened to meet you personally, but afaik Mythos ppl know each other).
You are no longer welcome to our comms/channels.
Finally, I'd like to note that I have no grudge over this with BoB. They have other greeks there and we're on the best-est of terms (hi alt! ). Sometimes people carry emotional problems around the place and you can't know before accepting them.
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.02.24 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: thoth foc on 24/02/2006 14:26:13
Originally by: Mart'Ak
Original post
Decent post, I think this is similar to what PA's enemies/(former) allies had been saying for a while.. PA's effectiveness as a alliance went many months ago..
As for rebuilding PA (again) unless you can find someone from within that has the time and ability, i cant see it being any more of a success, than it was this time.. As i said b4, i think it will be hard to "attract" a good enuff leader from outside. The only upside to rebuilding PA is the saving off 1 billion in forming a new alliance.. with many downsides like, "established" players without the interest or ability, for senior positions.. PA lack of reputation in PVP.. to name but a few..
As you say there is no shortage of corps/alliances hostile to PA's current enemies.. i'm sure we'll see it's pilots again in the future under different flags..
--thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
We do not go hunting, cuz hunting infers the possibility of failure.. We go killing... |
Wizie
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Posted - 2006.02.24 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dahin Hi Apoll, how are you? You have crossed the line this time. Time to put your dirty laundry on the line.
Maza happens to be a greek-only corp, exactly like Mythos. Apoll (the main of this trolling alt, I bet my entire stash of corpses on that) used to be in Mythos. After quite a long time of him being in the corp, he happened to leave the corp. I've heard rumours that he wasn't offered assistance to move his stuff to empire and he got ****ed.
Anyway, since Maza has an open recruitment for anyone from mythos or any other greek for that matter, we accepted him in our corp. He lurked around a bit, not doing much etc. It seems he had some very deep hatred for Mythos because they didn't have his babies or something, so he left us too to join BoB (a good bet is he did that only to shoot back at mythos).
Since then, his arrogance and clear lowly hatred over Mythos was more than apparent. We had him show up on our teamspeak server only to smack mythos (when he even knows we are on very good terms with them). Last time he showed up, he mentioned EXACTLY the same stuff here. Yadda yadda mythos that, yadda yadda mythos got spanked. Ofc, I have the link he is referring to. It's the mythos greek newspage, which he seems to stalk in fervor (I had no idea that a newspage like that existed). This very post is something like a transcript of his latest ramblings on ts.
Apoll: you have managed with one trollthread to alienate yourself from all the greek corps in the game. You have shown immense disrespect to your previous corpmates and an alliance you were literally born in. Also, you degraded to the use of an alt smacktard. For a GAME you probably lost RL friends (I never happened to meet you personally, but afaik Mythos ppl know each other).
You are no longer welcome to our comms/channels.
Finally, I'd like to note that I have no grudge over this with BoB. They have other greeks there and we're on the best-est of terms (hi alt! ). Sometimes people carry emotional problems around the place and you can't know before accepting them.
You guys lose friends over a game?
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2006.02.24 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig I am sure Paintball and his friends spending more time south ganking people in their hacs than defending their home or help f-e fight (back when f-e was still against 5) didnt help either...
I must admit I wondered that when we saw them in our bit of space as I thought they would have been helping their alliance mates fight their enemies.
President Huzzah Federation
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Dahin
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Posted - 2006.02.24 14:57:00 -
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Wizie: don't generalize man. Just because Apoll did that it doesn't mean we all do it. We have many friends residing in very hostile alliances but that doesn't mean that's a problem.
Tbh, there were times in history where we were hostiles to Mythos too.
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POSITRON
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Posted - 2006.02.24 16:00:00 -
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duno if this is Appoll's alt, but if thats true.... give him a break. Its almost Halloween here in Greece so we are eligible to use our alts hehe
BTW, to put it simple: as long as there r ppl fighting for the ideas that PA reflects, then PA is no dead. And I think this is also true for every alliance in EVE. So there is nothing to argue about it here.
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.02.24 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: POSITRON
BTW, to put it simple: as long as there r ppl fighting for the ideas that PA reflects, then PA is no dead. And I think this is also true for every alliance in EVE. So there is nothing to argue about it here.
Fair comment, but what exactly do PA stand for in game terms atm?
--thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
We do not go hunting, cuz hunting infers the possibility of failure.. We go killing... |
HatePeace LoveWar
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Posted - 2006.02.24 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: FireFoxx80 Surely, by the definition of it being the Phoenix Alliance, it can never be destroyed?
heh
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2006.02.24 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Halseth Durn on 24/02/2006 17:28:44 Just want to confirm that when PA probably needed them most, thier best PvPers were roaming the south in HAC squads looking for easy ganks against miners and NPCers.
When I asked the PA why they were attacking a nuetral alliance like POS, the answer was "you have alliances hostile to us set to positive standings". This narrow-minded mentality coupled with an off-target PvP force would kill any alliance regardless of thier name, resolve or depth of thier pockets.
P.S. When you guys decide to officially scrap the alliance, I'd like to buy it as a souveneir.
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IronCommander
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Posted - 2006.02.24 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar
Originally by: FireFoxx80 Surely, by the definition of it being the Phoenix Alliance, it can never be destroyed?
heh
need some Mythical hint about The Phoenix ?
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2006.02.24 19:09:00 -
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Edited by: Wild Rho on 24/02/2006 19:08:55
Originally by: Mart'Ak
Hi,
Much as I dislike alts, I have to use one in this instance, please forgive.
Lots of other stuff...
This was really the only post worth reading so far and it was a pretty good one.
I just wish more people could be like this instead of trying to start flames or flash their e-peens.
Well written. *thumbs up
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2006.02.24 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: IronCommander
Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar
Originally by: FireFoxx80 Surely, by the definition of it being the Phoenix Alliance, it can never be destroyed?
heh
need some Mythical hint about The Phoenix ?
The problem here is, that this is NOT the Phoenix Alliance anymore. It actually died long ago. Theres nothing to argue about, the today known PA is just a remake of the original one. And a sad one tbh... Though i still respect some pilots in there and some corps like Mythos, seriously give it a rest. It is over. --------------------------------
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Posted - 2006.02.24 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: StiZum Hilidii on 24/02/2006 19:35:39 ^ woody hit it on the head
give it up already PA STAN FACTA NON VERBA THE ALPS SUCKED BTW |
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Posted - 2006.02.24 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: StiZum Hilidii Edited by: StiZum Hilidii on 24/02/2006 19:35:39 ^ woody hit it on the head
give it up already PA
What's wrong with trying to fight one more round, even if it's the last? I thought you guys would welcome it.
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Posted - 2006.02.24 19:47:00 -
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we would welcome it if it meant we got some fun fights but i cant remember those STAN FACTA NON VERBA THE ALPS SUCKED BTW |
Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.24 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: christoforos
Originally by: StiZum Hilidii Edited by: StiZum Hilidii on 24/02/2006 19:35:39 ^ woody hit it on the head
give it up already PA
What's wrong with trying to fight one more round, even if it's the last? I thought you guys would welcome it.
the thing is, are you actually going to fight it? or rather, is the entire PA alliance - all of it's members - going to stand up for their right to exist and fight for their space? having a small hardcore of devoted pvpers won't keep the fleets at bay.
Originally by: Zzazzt
Originally by: thoth foc PA doesnt stand for anything..
Punchbag Alliance...
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Posted - 2006.02.24 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Halseth Durn Edited by: Halseth Durn on 24/02/2006 17:28:44 Just want to confirm that when PA probably needed them most, thier best PvPers were roaming the south in HAC squads looking for easy ganks against miners and NPCers.
When I asked the PA why they were attacking a nuetral alliance like POS, the answer was "you have alliances hostile to us set to positive standings". This narrow-minded mentality coupled with an off-target PvP force would kill any alliance regardless of thier name, resolve or depth of thier pockets.
P.S. When you guys decide to officially scrap the alliance, I'd like to buy it as a souveneir.
Hey Halseth, that narrow-minded "if you are friends with our enemies you're our enemy too/with us or against us" thing is what we call Standings Enclosurism and its the curse of the north at the moment. Its a pretty amazing thing to see you think as badly of that was we do.
And by the buy. I'd like to buy the PA too.
(alliance entity needs to be stripped of PA corps and admit a couple of alt corps of my choosing) when I get control I'll pay the bid to the last executor.)
((I'm thinking of giving it as a present to a friend))
One hundred million isk is my opening bid
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Posted - 2006.02.24 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mart'Ak Edited by: Mart''Ak on 24/02/2006 12:13:20 Hi,
Much as I dislike alts, I have to use one in this instance, please forgive.
The initial post, although unfairly putting private internal news on a public forum, is in essence quite correct. In a surreal kind of way, there is an exciting aspect to the situation, like the fall of Saigon. More than once I have seen PA haulers heading away towards NBSI and 5 lacky Haulers heading in, over the last few days.
How did we, PA, get here? well in all honesty, simply no leadership at all, as such no unity and no will. Its funny someone should mention that this is not the PA of old.. for months many have argued just that, that continuing hostilities and negative attitudes to various alliances and corps based on ancient history was stupid.. but what was left of the old guard insisted.
PA hasnt had leadership for almost 6 months, yes various people have stood up to try, most notably Anhilus. However none of them wanted it and most seemed to caretake the position while waiting for someone better to arrive. The irony is we did have potentially strong and dynamic leaders in our ranks, but everytime an election was forced, PA elected yet another middle of the road ineffective leader.
The last major PA fleet actions where months ago, since then its just been the PvP corps holding the line, often alone or in small numbers, since any unified military planning or authority vanished after Anhilus disappeared. Those Corps are few, Mythos and HAOS in the north, ECP Rogues further south in FE and individual pilots such as Spleefo etc. PedroFTW and Pacifica have been the only thing holding PA together in that time, trying to organise.. keeping corps in PA etc etc.
Thus with no genuine fleet, but thinly spread individual pilots and a handful of PvP corps, plus the woeful lack of any capital ship numbers at all, things are reaching thier natural end.
Strangely, something i give PA much respect for, there is no great sense of panic nor fatalistic attitude. People are quite calm about things, to a certain degree amazed we made it this far! There are not recriminations, no finger pointing and no anger.
Most simply, it all ended with one order from our new leader, Wimbishi. I'm aware of his history in old PA, but he seems capable and he earned my respect from realising instantly the brutal truth or PA's situation. The order?:
Pack up, secure all assets and move out.
PA may have lost this round but I suspect they will do what is necessary and perhaps one day they will achieve some kind of return to thier homeland. I suspect it will be a long and hard road, but the lessons from these events will be learned.
Certainly PA will shrink rapidly, just the PA die-hards left (who quite frankly can border on cultists at times, many a time in the last 2 months PvP guys on the front line have tried to get them to understand that PA was crumbling under pressure and something radical needed to be done only to hear 'we are PA, PA will never die'.. leaving wiser heads pointing out that this was all well and good but perhaps we still needed to actually DO something to ensure that). Other will move on I think.
It could have been very different, all the ingrediants were there for a succesful fight, the right people, the right skills. Just a woeful lack or leadership and often (from PA command) a serious lack of touch with reality.
So in honesty I think certainly the PvP corps can be allowed to walk away with pride at having held the line as long as they could, a tiny minority trying to take the fight to the enemy. The rest of PA will skulk off back to empire and new homes, and the hardcore? well NBSI for them i think.
I am greatful to have experienced a great chapter of eve, to bear witness to momentus change, which will continue in the North for sometime to come.
PA is dead / Long Live PA
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the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that
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Posted - 2006.02.24 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Halseth Durn Edited by: Halseth Durn on 24/02/2006 17:28:44 Just want to confirm that when PA probably needed them most, thier best PvPers were roaming the south in HAC squads looking for easy ganks against miners and NPCers.
When I asked the PA why they were attacking a nuetral alliance like POS, the answer was "you have alliances hostile to us set to positive standings". This narrow-minded mentality coupled with an off-target PvP force would kill any alliance regardless of thier name, resolve or depth of thier pockets.
P.S. When you guys decide to officially scrap the alliance, I'd like to buy it as a souveneir.
Hey Halseth, that narrow-minded "if you are friends with our enemies you're our enemy too/with us or against us" thing is what we call Standings Enclosurism and its the curse of the north at the moment. Its a pretty amazing thing to see you think as badly of that was we do.
And by the buy. I'd like to buy the PA too.
(alliance entity needs to be stripped of PA corps and admit a couple of alt corps of my choosing) when I get control I'll pay the bid to the last executor.)
((I'm thinking of giving it as a present to a friend))
One hundred million isk is my opening bid
U have to been a person who's actually fired a weapon on PA.
So sorry, we cannot accept either of ur bids.
Halseth, feel free to bid on that rock ur shooting with ur miners tho.
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2006.02.24 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ Its hardly News to anyone except the members of the PA tbh.
ain't news to us ;p a lot of it would be news to u if u openned ur eyes though, but of course u did ur great part in taking us down :| me seeing all 0 of u cept for that one fleet that keep warping around inside bkg.... ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p)
the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that
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Posted - 2006.02.24 20:24:00 -
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Why do I get the feeling I have read these thread before - oh yeah, they recur every 5 or 6 months or so.
PA on borrowed time again? Wouldn't surprise me. What would surprise me, is if the new 'PA' dont call themselves the Phoenix Alliance, give yourselves a new name for goodness' sake. The proper PA died a long, long time ago.
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Zerstreut
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Posted - 2006.02.24 20:26:00 -
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give it up already PA
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Rallaren
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Posted - 2006.02.24 20:26:00 -
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give it up already PA
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Gastropod
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Posted - 2006.02.24 20:26:00 -
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give it up already PA
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Alexison
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Posted - 2006.02.24 20:26:00 -
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give it up already PA
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Amthra
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Posted - 2006.02.24 20:27:00 -
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The people has spoken!
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2006.02.24 20:28:00 -
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I tottaly agree with one of yous
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Galaxion
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Posted - 2006.02.24 20:28:00 -
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flipping alttastic -----------------------------------------
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2006.02.24 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Halseth Durn Edited by: Halseth Durn on 24/02/2006 17:28:44 Just want to confirm that when PA probably needed them most, thier best PvPers were roaming the south in HAC squads looking for easy ganks against miners and NPCers.
When I asked the PA why they were attacking a nuetral alliance like POS, the answer was "you have alliances hostile to us set to positive standings". This narrow-minded mentality coupled with an off-target PvP force would kill any alliance regardless of thier name, resolve or depth of thier pockets.
P.S. When you guys decide to officially scrap the alliance, I'd like to buy it as a souveneir.
i said dont qoute me on that! ;p ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p)
the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that
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Posted - 2006.02.24 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Hey Halseth, that narrow-minded "if you are friends with our enemies you're our enemy too/with us or against us" thing is what we call Standings Enclosurism and its the curse of the north at the moment. Its a pretty amazing thing to see you think as badly of that was we do.
Actually that "Standings Enclosurism" applies to the south also. It applies to whole 0,0 alliances and allies there. --------------------------------
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2006.02.24 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
And by the buy. I'd like to buy the PA too.
(alliance entity needs to be stripped of PA corps and admit a couple of alt corps of my choosing) when I get control I'll pay the bid to the last executor.)
((I'm thinking of giving it as a present to a friend))
One hundred million isk is my opening bid
I paid the 50 mil prize for the "name our new alliance" contest. (congrats Hakera) I get first dibs on it.
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Posted - 2006.02.24 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Hey Halseth, that narrow-minded "if you are friends with our enemies you're our enemy too/with us or against us" thing is what we call Standings Enclosurism and its the curse of the north at the moment. Its a pretty amazing thing to see you think as badly of that was we do.
Actually that "Standings Enclosurism" applies to the south also. It applies to whole 0,0 alliances and allies there.
Disagree. Bob, 5, -V-, ASCN, FE, SE, SA, etc etc etc never told us who we had to set -10 against or be shot. Your brand of standings enclosurism is unique to your political outlook.
And to the NBSI guy ... my bid of purchase for the PA IGA was directed to the PA not the NBSI for obvious reasons.
100m isk!
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Posted - 2006.02.24 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Disagree. Bob, 5, -V-, ASCN, FE, SE, SA, etc etc etc never told us who we had to set -10 against or be shot. Your brand of standings enclosurism is unique to your political outlook.
And to the NBSI guy ... my bid of purchase for the PA IGA was directed to the PA not the NBSI for obvious reasons.
100m isk!
If eg u had us set to blue ASCN would shoot you, its their policy also. BTW they shoot just everything in PB... And still u are in bed with em?
They southerners dont ask you, cause u are not there. its that simple. --------------------------------
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Mart'Ak
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Posted - 2006.02.24 20:50:00 -
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Hi all again,
I just wanted to add, as the thread has grown, that the PA guys that have replied have spoken with diginity about my post and none have denied its content. As such I would like to request 2 things from the many 0.0 veteran pilots here.. both PA enemies and not..
Please let PA go with some diginity with your replies.. at least theyre being honest about thier state... secondly PLEASE dont turn this into ANOTHER JF political rant.. if you mst.. please take it to the correct in-character forum.
Its deeply appreciated
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Posted - 2006.02.24 20:52:00 -
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Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 24/02/2006 20:52:51
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Disagree. Bob, 5, -V-, ASCN, FE, SE, SA, etc etc etc never told us who we had to set -10 against or be shot. Your brand of standings enclosurism is unique to your political outlook.
And to the NBSI guy ... my bid of purchase for the PA IGA was directed to the PA not the NBSI for obvious reasons.
100m isk!
If eg u had us set to blue ASCN would shoot you, its their policy also. BTW they shoot just everything in PB... And still u are in bed with em?
They southerners dont ask you, cause u are not there. its that simple.
Thats so not true Woodlouse. When ASCN were in PB they never insisted we had to set standings and you were actually blue to us at the time. JF was neutral in the fighting between IRON/G and ASCN. Only time we flew with ASCN was against PA and RAZOR (whom had shot us first obviously). Up until G decided to make us -10 again because IRON and RAZOR asked we had blue to ASCN and G and we offered you no hostility. So your example is incorrect like most of your political thinking.
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Posted - 2006.02.24 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Mart'Ak Hi all again,
I just wanted to add, as the thread has grown, that the PA guys that have replied have spoken with diginity about my post and none have denied its content. As such I would like to request 2 things from the many 0.0 veteran pilots here.. both PA enemies and not..
Please let PA go with some diginity with your replies.. at least theyre being honest about thier state... secondly PLEASE dont turn this into ANOTHER JF political rant.. if you mst.. please take it to the correct in-character forum.
Its deeply appreciated
Yeah okay mate, you're post was first class so fair enough. Good game and all that
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Posted - 2006.02.24 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 24/02/2006 20:52:51
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Disagree. Bob, 5, -V-, ASCN, FE, SE, SA, etc etc etc never told us who we had to set -10 against or be shot. Your brand of standings enclosurism is unique to your political outlook.
And to the NBSI guy ... my bid of purchase for the PA IGA was directed to the PA not the NBSI for obvious reasons.
100m isk!
If eg u had us set to blue ASCN would shoot you, its their policy also. BTW they shoot just everything in PB... And still u are in bed with em?
They southerners dont ask you, cause u are not there. its that simple.
Thats so not true Woodlouse. When ASCN were in PB they never insisted we had to set standings and you were actually blue to us at the time. JF was neutral in the fighting between IRON/G and ASCN. Only time we flew with ASCN was against PA and RAZOR (whom had shot us first obviously). Up until G decided to make us -10 again because IRON and RAZOR asked we had blue to ASCN and G and we offered you no hostility. So your example is incorrect like most of your political thinking.
No. The only truth about that all is taht you are treated differently like all the other neutrals. Dont ask me why i think still alot ppl seem to "fear" your political influence.
Anyway just like the OP asked, i will refrain from turning this into another JF political debate. --------------------------------
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Posted - 2006.02.24 20:58:00 -
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Thanks Jasmine.. its appreciated and respect to you for it
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Righteous Bias
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Posted - 2006.02.24 21:02:00 -
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give it up already PA!!!!!!!!!
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Righteous Fury
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Posted - 2006.02.24 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Righteous Bias give it up already PA!!!!!!!!!
For the record, that is NOT my alt.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.24 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Righteous Fury
Originally by: Righteous Bias give it up already PA!!!!!!!!!
For the record, that is NOT my alt.
O RLY?
Originally by: Zzazzt
Originally by: thoth foc PA doesnt stand for anything..
Punchbag Alliance...
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Manira
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Posted - 2006.02.24 21:14:00 -
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Edited by: Manira on 24/02/2006 21:15:10 Video of taking down BKG-Q2 sys (ex PA main sys)
>>>>*click me*<<<<
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Posted - 2006.02.24 21:14:00 -
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M'kay here we go, i don't do this forum thing much so pardon me, but i'm currently bored at work so i'm going to give it a shot. Following would be my view of Phoenix Alliance.
Since i've been here up north for almost 3 years now, dating all the way back to Venal Alliance(VA), then New Venal Alliance and what we've come to know now as Phoenix Alliance, i feel like i should say something. This has been my home for the duration of all that time. I've seen many people come and go, made some great friends and great enemies. Yes, PA today is not what PA was when it was started, i'm probably one of the few pilots left from original gang. VA, NVA, PA has been under fire i say 95% of it's life and that is hard. True, there was never any truly organized structured, few leaders came and went, some were good, others were just there to fill the spot, but even the good ones did't come to par. Only one i can think of was Anihulus who had to depart from us due to real life issues.
So here we go, what we got? Alliance that has been running around leaderless for almost 3 years out of which most of the times under some kind of attack, and most of the time by a much superior force. So how did this cluster f*ck of a group stayed alife for this long we ask?
Here's the answer. Pilots of Phoenix Alliance have fought with whatever they got just out of pure dedication.. there's was no industrial support from the alliance, no ship replacments...no modules replacemnt... nada. Pilots were told to go grab whatever they got and go die for their alliance. Some did, some didn't. And that dedication among those few pilots is why i'm still here holding on to .... well i don't know what i'm holding on to honestly.
So we look at the mistakes now. No good leadership, recruiting random corps that apply just for the sake of recruiting.. (one of the biggest f#ck up in my opinion) no set goal...but how can you set a goal if you're constantly being thrown rocks at
I take this to heart probably more than i should, but seeing my former friends (or what i thought they were) like KIA, Blades, GODS and Cyberdines saying all this crap to a dying alliance is just a slap in a face Yea most likely we will not survive through this... so if one side cant stop than other side please, do. Quit the *** arse flamming, bickering and whata hell else people do on the forums...it's just sad now
Well there it is, i think i've said all i can say, farefell...friends and foes. Excuse any grammar or spelling errors please, English is not my native language. Thank you.
Ilya Murametz Hybonashi Industries Executive Officer
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Posted - 2006.02.24 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 24/02/2006 20:52:51
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Disagree. Bob, 5, -V-, ASCN, FE, SE, SA, etc etc etc never told us who we had to set -10 against or be shot. Your brand of standings enclosurism is unique to your political outlook.
And to the NBSI guy ... my bid of purchase for the PA IGA was directed to the PA not the NBSI for obvious reasons.
100m isk!
If eg u had us set to blue ASCN would shoot you, its their policy also. BTW they shoot just everything in PB... And still u are in bed with em?
They southerners dont ask you, cause u are not there. its that simple.
Thats so not true Woodlouse. When ASCN were in PB they never insisted we had to set standings and you were actually blue to us at the time. JF was neutral in the fighting between IRON/G and ASCN. Only time we flew with ASCN was against PA and RAZOR (whom had shot us first obviously). Up until G decided to make us -10 again because IRON and RAZOR asked we had blue to ASCN and G and we offered you no hostility. So your example is incorrect like most of your political thinking.
No. The only truth about that all is taht you are treated differently like all the other neutrals. Dont ask me why i think still alot ppl seem to "fear" your political influence.
Anyway just like the OP asked, i will refrain from turning this into another JF political debate.
awww come on, JF debates are cool, reading them improve my level of english
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Akoudoulos
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Posted - 2006.02.24 21:17:00 -
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Pa may not be the best alliance, but you have to give them credit, they still exist, maybe not for long but it's one of the oldest alliance in game, this might be a result of some very smart/tricky tactics/strategy,
as for you Apoll you will be punished for your actions. just watch your local we might be close to you
Oh and BTW i have the balls to post with my main.
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WRAITH666
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Posted - 2006.02.24 21:17:00 -
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Hopefully PA will have the dignity to follow the CA model and announce a disbandment, rather than follow the FA mode and cling to your former glory with a skeleton crew.
Time will tell...
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Righteous Bias
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Posted - 2006.02.24 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: WRAITH666 Hopefully PA will have the dignity to follow the CA model and announce a disbandment, rather than follow the FA mode and cling to your former glory with a skeleton crew.
Time will tell...
Deja Vu anyone?
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Posted - 2006.02.24 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mart'Ak
How did we, PA, get here? well in all honesty, simply no leadership at all, as such no unity and no will. Its funny someone should mention that this is not the PA of old.. for months many have argued just that, that continuing hostilities and negative attitudes to various alliances and corps based on ancient history was stupid.. but what was left of the old guard insisted.
PA hasnt had leadership for almost 6 months, yes various people have stood up to try, most notably Anhilus. However none of them wanted it and most seemed to caretake the position while waiting for someone better to arrive. The irony is we did have potentially strong and dynamic leaders in our ranks, but everytime an election was forced, PA elected yet another middle of the road ineffective leader.
I've got to disagree with that. I think if you made Anihilus or pedroftw leader of a different alliance it would do quite well. I think you could put Caeser in charge of PA and they'd still just want to go mine all the time. Not fair to skapegoat like that. A leader can say whatever he wants but if he doesnt have people willing to participate it wont matter. PA having three different leaders with the same result is very telling.
The truth is that after the Cochise era PA was in such bad shape it was doomed from the start. Haos, Mythos, and Solid are all good corps but they are not enough to carry the burden for the rest of PA. Those three are a solid base to build an alliance around. PA just made some bad choices when picking corps to supliment those three. The other corps they have generally do them more harm than good. This cant really be blamed on Ani since he didnt recruit most of them himself. He inherited most of them. An alliance is only good as the ammount of participation its members give them.
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Posted - 2006.02.24 21:34:00 -
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To a certain degree that is true persh.. but only a little, I spoke to Anih often.. he didnt want the job, he was a good fleet commander yes.. alliance no, he knew that and always challenged the alliance to find someone else.
I agree that those 3 corps plus the other PVP corp would make a good nucleas for an alliance...
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Posted - 2006.02.24 21:34:00 -
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To Persh.. did you miss this part?
"Only one i can think of was Anihulus who had to depart from us due to real life issues."
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.02.24 21:45:00 -
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Edited by: pershphanie on 24/02/2006 21:45:23
Originally by: Mart'Ak To a certain degree that is true persh.. but only a little, I spoke to Anih often.. he didnt want the job, he was a good fleet commander yes.. alliance no, he knew that and always challenged the alliance to find someone else.
I agree that those 3 corps plus the other PVP corp would make a good nucleas for an alliance...
Thanks
Yeah. Of course he didnt want it. Leader of PA is a ****ty job, always has been. Being leader of a counsil based alliance where the figure head has no real athority to do anything gives everyone every excuse in the world to not participate or listen to him and then blame him when the alliance has no success. PA isnt an alliance, its a bunch of corps. There isnt enough isk in eve to pay most ppl to take a position like that. Tbh you are damn lucky Wimbishi would still take the job.
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Posted - 2006.02.24 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie Yeah. Of course he didnt want it. Leader of PA is a ****ty job, always has been. Being leader of a counsil based alliance where the figure head has no real athority to do anything gives everyone every excuse in the world to not participate or listen to him and then blame him when the alliance has no success.
Exactly. It has always been. PA is a liberal alliance, with weak central command. Surely it's not the best model, but that's what we inherited. It didn't work well back in the GNW, too. I still remember the long council meetings, during the GNW to decide if we should fight in BKG or in Venal, and after the meeting was over, each corp basically doing their own. Even us (as YPSILON back then) being total noobs in the alliance, decided to do our own thing and went to fight in V7, because of the lack of strong central command.
Btw, for a thread beginning with an alt flame post, it has been a very nice thread.
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Mephistos
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Posted - 2006.02.24 22:16:00 -
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Sadly I have to agree with Persh on this one.
A large percentage of PA is dead weight, that just gets protected by some very very skilled and dedicated pilots. Without some of their core corps and a few dedicated pilots from some of their other corps they wouldn't have come nearly this far. But now might be the time to go back to empire, recoup and figure out where to go from here :/.
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Major Bandwidth
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Posted - 2006.02.24 22:31:00 -
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It's not official until there is a Sir Molle post.
Tbh, I'd give PA some respect if they let him write a post of them.
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Sarion Stormweaver
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Posted - 2006.02.24 22:33:00 -
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To the guy that asked what PA stands for.
All I know is the PA charter. Don't know who wrote it and when .. but I liked it, and stood by it for 1.2 years now.
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ABURITORU
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Posted - 2006.02.24 22:50:00 -
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PA is not dead...:)from almoust 2 years 80% of eve pvpers say all the time:'pa is dead'.... we will prouve to everibody that the war has just beggin
WE WILL LEAF AT THE END OF STORY.
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Etherios
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Posted - 2006.02.24 23:07:00 -
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Edited by: Etherios on 24/02/2006 23:09:50
Originally by: Akoudoulos Pa may not be the best alliance, but you have to give them credit, they still exist, maybe not for long but it's one of the oldest alliance in game, this might be a result of some very smart/tricky tactics/strategy
PA stoped existing a while back this is something new... a new PA maybe but has nothing to do with the old PA... just look at the PA corps nowdays.... AND YES PA is dieing the end is COMING...
Originally by: Akoudoulos as for you Apoll you will be punished for your actions. just watch your local we might be close to you
TO ALL MAZA MYTHOS AND THE REST back off, because u are all 100 % wrong like many times in the passed. I can vouche for him anytime. as u said Dahin he is saying what he thinks all the time why use an ALT now?? is he flamming? this damn alt is saying the truth.
Originally by: Akoudoulos
Oh and BTW i have the balls to post with my main.
U are not PA OR NBSI also, but u still try to defend what u been ignoring for a while now. SO stop critisizing something U think Apoll did and start responding to the TRUTH PA is sinking long time now and there is noway back.
I CAN post with my alts also (tho all are in Evol also) the truth will still be the same. Oh and i dont think we will be seeing u ever ... we way too far for u...
True sight isn't given to all that look for it.
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2006.02.25 01:40:00 -
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PA means a lot to me. It was my first alliance, my first 0.0 experience, my first major war (GNW hurrah!). Even as I stand in NBSI, I view certain corporations in PA as old and close friends. Some of their new corps are excellent, and will always be welcome allies.
So I am here to extend a thank you to PA, for the help given to NBSI in fighting the blobs. We have the skills, but not the numbers between us to fight all our mutual enemies. I hope that we can continue our friendships and alliances with eachother and that we will never have to cross swords.
For my own part its going to be awkward fighting BLADES. But times change, and allies become enemies.
If PA stays in the north, we will continue to support them, if they leave we will still welcome them in our space. If we are removed we will continue to gank everything we can find in Tribute and Tenal.
Let EVE burn.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.02.25 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: ABURITORU PA is not dead...:)from almoust 2 years 80% of eve pvpers say all the time:'pa is dead'.... we will prouve to everibody that the war has just beggin
WE WILL LEAF AT THE END OF STORY.
If pa had 50 more of you they would be in better shape than they are now. Sadly this is not the case which is why pa are where they are now. (where ever that is)
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.02.25 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine One hundred million isk is my opening bid
200 mill isk.
Anyway, should be interesting to see if the Active PVP corps in PA decide to take over PA or form an alliance of their own. (Al; ASCN)
Ive always liked the name PA, i think they should take over the alliance, boot the carebears, nap the five and rebuild -------
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Akoudoulos
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Posted - 2006.02.25 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Etherios Edited by: Etherios on 24/02/2006 23:09:50
PA stoped existing a while back this is something new... a new PA maybe but has nothing to do with the old PA... just look at the PA corps nowdays.... AND YES PA is dieing the end is COMING...
You are right here, but what? seriously what this has to do with anything? PA is PA, under new Leadership or not the name stands
Originally by: Etherios
TO ALL MAZA MYTHOS AND THE REST back off, because u are all 100 % wrong like many times in the passed. I can vouche for him anytime. as u said Dahin he is saying what he thinks all the time why use an ALT now?? is he flamming? this damn alt is saying the truth.
well you back of then Freedom of speech allows me to say anything, and yes we are always wrong you are always right, 80+ ppl are ALWAYS wrong 100%, How can you vouch for someone you know 3 weeks? and he is not telling the truth, he just relays corps internal forum threads and he has no right to do so, and it's just weird that this alt(apoll) once joined bob started smacking us in chats(sudden change of character), even though he has done nothing to prove him self uber
Originally by: Etherios
U are not PA OR NBSI also, but u still try to defend what u been ignoring for a while now. SO stop critisizing something U think Apoll did and start responding to the TRUTH PA is sinking long time now and there is noway back.
FYI Well we made NBSI, as weird this will sound, we care for this alliance, not like someone that joined an alliance and claim the ubership of them while doing nothing. As for PA, i do not give a ****, but i have heard the PA dies to many times already. we might be out of nbsi, but guess what we still fight for it! BTW who is ignoring what?(check bolt)
Originally by: Etherios
I CAN post with my alts also (tho all are in Evol also) the truth will still be the same. Oh and i dont think we will be seeing u ever ... we way too far for u...
lol eve maybe a big space of nothing but i can be there quite fast. and as always your space has uber bubbles and NOBODY can enter it
Stop telling us what to do mate, i have mom and dad already. I will post whatever i want to like you said BACK OFF THAT MATTER, YOU ARE 100% WRONG AS ALWAYS(imo, well thats correct, i have one)
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Berrik Radhok
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Posted - 2006.02.25 02:11:00 -
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Mirabela
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Posted - 2006.02.25 04:13:00 -
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Why not kick out the carebears gather all pvp and NAP [G]/IRON/RAZOR, at least they will be fighting against the long hated enemy [5].Many ppl in PA will not accept a NAP with [5] , and they will fight [5]/BOB untill this game ends one way or another. I didn't play this game for a long time, but the time i have spent in PA made me wonder why the Ebay ppl don't form an alliance of there own. Oh wait EBAY-ing is illegal .PA was sold on Ebay, that's the truth.
I looooooooooove alts.
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2006.02.25 05:16:00 -
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most of the posts here cept for some alt ones have been pretty reasonable which is a nice for once, a
only thing i be saying is that im sad that u changed so much persh ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p)
the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2006.02.25 06:29:00 -
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300mil for the PA
Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame. |
pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.02.25 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist 300mil for the PA
400mill
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Altar Mei
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Posted - 2006.02.25 07:00:00 -
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Anyone want to take wagers that there are now more xpa shooting pa than there are pa
Luck to you Dao
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SengH
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Posted - 2006.02.25 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: DigitalCommunist 300mil for the PA
400mill
If it reaches 1 bil you guys might as well create a Phoenix Allaince and have a chuckle about it.
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2006.02.25 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: Altar Mei Anyone want to take wagers that there are now more xpa shooting pa than there are pa
Luck to you Dao
hehe ;p sup altar ;p u never talk in the chat :( ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p)
the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that
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Simitova
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Posted - 2006.02.25 08:35:00 -
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Quote: Posted - 2006.02.25 01:51:00 - [89] - Quote
If PA had 50 Aburitoru it would conquer Eve, not the north
Quote: Originally by: Akoudoulos
Apoll has 2 (and I don't know if he has 3 accounts). My friend Etherios, don't bet your assets he didn't post this thread
PS. Hi apoll
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Endeva
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Posted - 2006.02.25 09:48:00 -
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Edited by: Endeva on 25/02/2006 09:47:48
Originally by: Simitova Edited by: Simitova on 25/02/2006 08:36:17
Quote: If pa had 50 more of you they would be in better shape than they are now. Sadly this is not the case which is why pa are where they are now. (where ever that is)
If PA had 50 Aburitoru it would conquer Eve, not the north
Quote: TO ALL MAZA MYTHOS AND THE REST back off, because u are all 100 % wrong like many times in the passed. I can vouche for him anytime. as u said Dahin he is saying what he thinks all the time why use an ALT now?? is he flamming? this damn alt is saying the truth.
Apoll has 2 (and I don't know if he has 3 accounts). My friend Etherios, don't bet your assets he didn't post this thread
PS. Hi apoll
If PA had 50 Aburitoru they would have 50 muninn low slots x 5wcs.dont all of you be funny PA isnt dead they will just regroup in JITA for a while.who cares.they are dead to me from the moment they declare war on us Please resize your forum signature graphic to be smaller than 24,000 bytes in filesize - Jacques |
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.02.25 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Halseth Durn Edited by: Halseth Durn on 24/02/2006 17:28:44 Just want to confirm that when PA probably needed them most, thier best PvPers were roaming the south in HAC squads looking for easy ganks against miners and NPCers.
When I asked the PA why they were attacking a nuetral alliance like POS, the answer was "you have alliances hostile to us set to positive standings". This narrow-minded mentality coupled with an off-target PvP force would kill any alliance regardless of thier name, resolve or depth of thier pockets.
You are so right. Uniform alliance standings are sooo 2005. Whats the point in having 6 different alliance all with the same standings? Setting people to + or - just because someone else has them set to + or - is lame. I think all alliance should either fight along side or against another alliance for an extended period of time before setting any standings to them. Not just because some fascist who claims to be a friendly alliance insists you have your standings set a certain way. Who'd have thought that Jade was right all along about that?
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Etherios
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Posted - 2006.02.25 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Akoudoulos
well you back of then Freedom of speech allows me to say anything, and yes we are always wrong you are always right, 80+ ppl are ALWAYS wrong 100%, How can you vouch for someone you know 3 weeks? and he is not telling the truth
For starters i know Apoll way too long for u to understand or know and 2nd i have been in england AT HIS HOUSE for a couple now and i KNOW he didnt post that kthx
Originally by: Akoudoulos
He just relays corps internal forum threads and he has no right to do so, and it's just weird that this alt(apoll) once joined bob started smacking us in chats(sudden change of character), even though he has done nothing to prove him self uber
Aha so all the smack talkers need to be uber to be able to smack?? And can u find some Apoll smacking plz and eve mail or anything to me? i am sure u dont have any AT ALL
http://www.astrolavos.net/mythos/Hot%20news.htm Is this corp internal forums? guess not... its in greek but that doesnt make it INTERNAL.
Originally by: Akoudoulos
lol eve maybe a big space of nothing but i can be there quite fast. and as always your space has uber bubbles and NOBODY can enter it
Our space bubbles ??? All are WELCOME PLZ ENTER PLZZZZ...
Originally by: Akoudoulos
Stop telling us what to do mate, i have mom and dad already. I will post whatever i want to like you said BACK OFF THAT MATTER, YOU ARE 100% WRONG AS ALWAYS
i am not telling any1 what to do but u should all stop the lies. if u are not 100% sure dont ******* comment about someone else u barely know kthx.
P.S. i have been around maza and eve long before u started playing eve so trust me i know a bit more about the mistakes of the past than u do.
True sight isn't given to all that look for it.
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Etherios
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Posted - 2006.02.25 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Simitova Apoll has 2 (and I don't know if he has 3 accounts). My friend Etherios, don't bet your assets he didn't post this thread [8)
PS. Hi apoll
I do I do ... but whats the fuss about Apoll? u all know and u all are sure he is the one right? WHO GIVES A F....
comment what that alt said not if he is APOLL ffs stop flamming any1 at anything.. and i am sure u dont have alts at all...
P.S. Apoll is getting married today I AM SURE he doesnt have time to play with the forums..... cya all in space soon i hope....
True sight isn't given to all that look for it.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.02.25 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Endeva
If PA had 50 Aburitoru they would have 50 muninn low slots x 5wcs.dont all of you be funny PA isnt dead they will just regroup in JITA for a while.who cares.they are dead to me from the moment they declare war on us
Actually ABU didn't use WCS before RMR hit. And he usually killed pod with his F5 :)
Like it or not, he was 1man frig fleet removing tool. I don't know what he fits now and tbh i don't care.
But stop arguing about WCS because you know well enough that atuk is using them too. Check ER vid about thoth foc for instance. Or latest celes vid.
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2006.02.25 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
Originally by: Endeva
If PA had 50 Aburitoru they would have 50 muninn low slots x 5wcs.dont all of you be funny PA isnt dead they will just regroup in JITA for a while.who cares.they are dead to me from the moment they declare war on us
Actually ABU didn't use WCS before RMR hit. And he usually killed pod with his F5 :)
Like it or not, he was 1man frig fleet removing tool. I don't know what he fits now and tbh i don't care.
But stop arguing about WCS because you know well enough that atuk is using them too. Check ER vid about thoth foc for instance. Or latest celes vid.
I must confes myself that mentioning Wsc as smack intended is old joke and bit boring to read. WSc are part of modules ppl use on their fixed number of slots on ships. Aburitoru killed many pilots by himself (im one of those trying to WMD to gate in my malediction...BOOM)...and he wasnt hiding several jumps away but kept coming and coming in his tempest/munnin by himself to HPA while many others PA were hiding in their carebear world. 400x120@24000 bytes Max. -Capsicum |
DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2006.02.25 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: DigitalCommunist 300mil for the PA
400mill
I declare your bid invalid.
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Invisible Touch
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Posted - 2006.02.25 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: Invisible Touch on 25/02/2006 12:40:44 Leave Apoll out of this. U guys take this GAME too damn seriously, or to explain it some more, too much EGO involved.
I know lots of ppl who could have done this. After I checked, the translation is almost exact, and as I read it seems like more than an attempt for ppl to start flaming PA's end than the specific PA corp. This is E-O forums, noone really cares about how we Greeks love-hate each other.
And just do some research before accusing anyone. That "alt" is more ancient than most of us. And it has not been sold or transferred.
Overall, a pretty decent thread, apart from the intra-Greek tensions. Deep down we all <3 each other. Well with exceptions ofc
And as far as my ex-corpmates are concerned you should actually give the OP some iskies. You couldnt come up with a better publicity stand if you're looking for another alliance
Oh and most seriously: Apoll Best Wishes on you new RL. Live long and prosper.
edited for adding RL wish.
Finally there's no dark side in Eve
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.02.25 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: DigitalCommunist 300mil for the PA
400mill
I declare your bid invalid.
400 mill then -------
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pacifica
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Posted - 2006.02.25 15:07:00 -
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Ok first PA is not for sale....
Secondely PA is not dying (Bad shape YES)!!! but now PA will Raise little by little, We will suport our Allied the most we can. ATM SOLID is the PA executor and it only for Standing issue. I m not the leader of PA and i will never be a leader of a Alliance. I m a SOLDIER that Obey Order and fight for what i belive.
For Abur He is a 1 man Army very good leader and he scare me most of the time. when i m flying with him (he make me change pant 4 time in 1 night).
One thing PA do and i respect is this When we say something we stand on it. We are not hyprocrite that try to get more territory. As for G/IRON/RAZOR i m sorry to see how u turn.
To IRON since 6 mounth u attack PA we lose mutltiple ship to IRON hyprocrite stuff... when G ask to come in Branch we accept cause for SOLID G was friendly from long time we was sharing same target. we always help G the most we can. Today thing change words fly aways......
Now all the CORP in PA are working together. (was about time)
If u are friend of PA 1 thing u can know is that PA hold is Words.....
If u need Standing Adjustement send me a EvE Mail...
to all the Enemy see u on battlefield
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Alex Under
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Posted - 2006.02.26 11:40:00 -
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Etherios...because you're not the only one who knows Apol so well and so long plz give it a rest.I remember you both at my house some months ago...You've done your "job" covering him as his "father" in EVOL since you obviously got him in but enough allready.Dont take it toooo far.Good for u being there and good for Apoll who got married.Tell him GL from me. Rijji said that " I read the following..." so he's Greek maybe? I trust you saing that he didn't posted this but there's no smoke without fire.If you're both serious persons you should concider that. There are other forums too..less public..where you can say your opinion and view some others without getting so much exposed. Have a nice trip returning home.
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Phonix
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Posted - 2006.02.26 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: pacifica Ok first PA is not for sale....
Secondely PA is not dying (Bad shape YES)!!! but now PA will Raise little by little, We will suport our Allied the most we can. ATM SOLID is the PA executor and it only for Standing issue. I m not the leader of PA and i will never be a leader of a Alliance. I m a SOLDIER that Obey Order and fight for what i belive.
For Abur He is a 1 man Army very good leader and he scare me most of the time. when i m flying with him (he make me change pant 4 time in 1 night).
One thing PA do and i respect is this When we say something we stand on it. We are not hyprocrite that try to get more territory. As for G/IRON/RAZOR i m sorry to see how u turn.
To IRON since 6 mounth u attack PA we lose mutltiple ship to IRON hyprocrite stuff... when G ask to come in Branch we accept cause for SOLID G was friendly from long time we was sharing same target. we always help G the most we can. Today thing change words fly aways......
Now all the CORP in PA are working together. (was about time)
If u are friend of PA 1 thing u can know is that PA hold is Words.....
If u need Standing Adjustement send me a EvE Mail...
to all the Enemy see u on battlefield
sorry for my typo
Did you goto school by chance? Your posts are always really hard to read.
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Fred0
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Posted - 2006.02.26 12:12:00 -
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I spent maybe 4-5 hours yesterday in Venal and I saw more PA than 5/doom tbh. From h-pa to 3-aip pa are probably outnumbered but the rest is the other way. From what I saw yesterday anyway
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ZedLey
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Posted - 2006.02.26 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Fred0 I spent maybe 4-5 hours yesterday in Venal and I saw more PA than 5/doom tbh. From h-pa to 3-aip pa are probably outnumbered but the rest is the other way. From what I saw yesterday anyway
Just as we moved out of venal they come out :=( funny aint it
Doesnt mean they are going to fight tho
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.02.26 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Fred0 I spent maybe 4-5 hours yesterday in Venal and I saw more PA than 5/doom tbh. From h-pa to 3-aip pa are probably outnumbered but the rest is the other way. From what I saw yesterday anyway
you just arent scarey enuff to make them instalog
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pacifica
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Posted - 2006.02.26 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Phonix
Did you goto school by chance? Your posts are always really hard to read.
Ok Phonix i do respect u but 1 thing i did go to school but english is not my language i speak it but tying it i do mistake.
Now respect 1 thing language and education is not part of this game. Attacking Personel like that is bad mkay.
Phonix u know me since u was leader of FU. i did respect u now u lose it.
EVERY ONE ANY CULTURE ANY RACE ANY LANGUAGE HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXPRESS IT SELF ON FORUM.
We just obey the forum rule we do it in English. If u want to see my post without mistake let me type in my maternal language.
tks bye
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magickangaroo
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Posted - 2006.02.26 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Phonix
Originally by: pacifica Ok first PA is not for sale....
Secondely PA is not dying (Bad shape YES)!!! but now PA will Raise little by little, We will suport our Allied the most we can. ATM SOLID is the PA executor and it only for Standing issue. I m not the leader of PA and i will never be a leader of a Alliance. I m a SOLDIER that Obey Order and fight for what i belive.
For Abur He is a 1 man Army very good leader and he scare me most of the time. when i m flying with him (he make me change pant 4 time in 1 night).
One thing PA do and i respect is this When we say something we stand on it. We are not hyprocrite that try to get more territory. As for G/IRON/RAZOR i m sorry to see how u turn.
To IRON since 6 mounth u attack PA we lose mutltiple ship to IRON hyprocrite stuff... when G ask to come in Branch we accept cause for SOLID G was friendly from long time we was sharing same target. we always help G the most we can. Today thing change words fly aways......
Now all the CORP in PA are working together. (was about time)
If u are friend of PA 1 thing u can know is that PA hold is Words.....
If u need Standing Adjustement send me a EvE Mail...
to all the Enemy see u on battlefield
sorry for my typo
Did you goto school by chance? Your posts are always really hard to read.
dude bear in mind hes probably not english and compared to some of the illeterate mumbo jumbo that is going on teh boards as of late its not that bad.
maybe you shoulda gone to school
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WETRAIN
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Posted - 2006.02.26 12:47:00 -
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i think i say this in the name of most of the PA pilots i know , we will not leave , we will not surrender, we never did , we will never go away, fight to the death, die with honor or without , war drags on , you can kill our ships but trust me our cloning bays will remain in Venal, yes atm we are weak, but nothing will stop us from ****ing you off all day long while you are in venal, NOTHING.
and ENOUGH with theese lame posts , fight, die , win and let GOD sort them in the end.
Respect WETRAIN aka Unforg1ven - I am the Voice - I am the Eyes -
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2006.02.26 12:59:00 -
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wetrain to die with honour you have to start with some in the first place
all those that continue are just putting their corps into a grave.
youll lose members one by one until its only those people that shout about honour. running around in frigs trying to gank haulers
you guys are a real testament to the stupidty of man STAN FACTA NON VERBA THE ALPS SUCKED BTW |
WETRAIN
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Posted - 2006.02.26 13:35:00 -
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STAN i know each and every one of the guys from HAOS and MYTH and some other .. trust me they will stay , in fact more will come . . .
we have diferent opinions , we will play and we will see and lets leave it at that , no more smaking about us beeing stupid c`mon lets end this b...sh...
its useless to predict the future ... cause no one will know for sure what will happen. - I am the Voice - I am the Eyes -
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Antoinette Civari
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Posted - 2006.02.26 14:11:00 -
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Brave words wetrain, but nothing really unexpected. Whenever an alliance dies, there are some pilots who can't accept defeat and usually deteriorate into ganking pirates without any military significance to the locals. You were not able to hit us hard in the beginning of the war, how do you expect to hit us now ?
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2006.02.26 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: StiZum Hilidii on 26/02/2006 14:21:26 wetrain dude im gonna smack you to hell and back again every chance i get.
your alliance and its members represent the very thing that most people dislike about the game.
alliances cant die no matter what you do to them if 3 people decide they dont want it too. the fact you believe its a good thing to stay in pa after its space was taken over for the 3rd time.
3 times dude thats gotta be a new low record for the old alliances.
kthnxdie to use a good stav ending btw im playing a role in a game nothing else :) but seriously bow your head take a round of applause for lasting this long and do the respectable thing and die quietly and out of sight STAN FACTA NON VERBA THE ALPS SUCKED BTW |
Nira Li
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Posted - 2006.02.26 14:30:00 -
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It's a shame I'm not around to be part of killing them once again
hf atuk and boys
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2006.02.26 14:31:00 -
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ur missed mate STAN FACTA NON VERBA THE ALPS SUCKED BTW |
Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2006.02.26 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Halseth Durn Edited by: Halseth Durn on 24/02/2006 17:28:44 Just want to confirm that when PA probably needed them most, thier best PvPers were roaming the south in HAC squads looking for easy ganks against miners and NPCers.
When I asked the PA why they were attacking a nuetral alliance like POS, the answer was "you have alliances hostile to us set to positive standings". This narrow-minded mentality coupled with an off-target PvP force would kill any alliance regardless of thier name, resolve or depth of thier pockets.
You are so right. Uniform alliance standings are sooo 2005. Whats the point in having 6 different alliance all with the same standings? Setting people to + or - just because someone else has them set to + or - is lame. I think all alliance should either fight along side or against another alliance for an extended period of time before setting any standings to them. Not just because some fascist who claims to be a friendly alliance insists you have your standings set a certain way. Who'd have thought that Jade was right all along about that?
heh Pershphanie, you've made her day with that comment
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Sarion Stormweaver
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Posted - 2006.02.26 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: StiZum Hilidii alliances cant die no matter what you do to them if 3 people decide they dont want it too. the fact you believe its a good thing to stay in pa after its space was taken over for the 3rd time.
3 times dude thats gotta be a new low record for the old alliances.
kthnxdie to use a good stav ending btw im playing a role in a game nothing else :) but seriously bow your head take a round of applause for lasting this long and do the respectable thing and die quietly and out of sight
i'm quite confident that atm any corp/member in PA is able to chose a 'greener field' to go to. If they wished it.
i'm also quite puzzled on how many alts/people are so strongly motivated to state that a 'dead' alliance is 'dead' .. over and over again ... It's like if I paint my room in green, I still state over and over and over again to everyone that YES .. my room is green ? That's because I need to convince the room itself that it's green first :P.
to anyone that claims PA is losing members ... while someone names it an alliance dieing. I name it a raw Darwinian selection method. I prefer having 100 guys by my side that don't have the spine with the consistency of the jellyfish.
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.02.26 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sarion Stormweaver I prefer having 100 guys by my side that don't have the spine with the consistency of the jellyfish.
wouldnt abandoning your claimed space without even trying to fight for if be considered spineless?
--thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
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Galaxion
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Posted - 2006.02.26 18:13:00 -
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hmm...
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Voltron
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Posted - 2006.02.26 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: StiZum Hilidii wetrain to die with honour you have to start with some in the first place
you guys are a real testament to the stupidty of man
Coming from a smack spewer, very rich, I got a great laugh out of it, thank you very much for brightening my day
Volt
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Nira Li
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Posted - 2006.02.26 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Voltron
Originally by: StiZum Hilidii wetrain to die with honour you have to start with some in the first place
you guys are a real testament to the stupidty of man
Coming from a smack spewer, very rich, I got a great laugh out of it, thank you very much for brightening my day
Volt
he might smack but he ain't stupid and he got more honor than PA have pixles on their ships.
or mabye...
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2006.02.26 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: WETRAIN STAN i know each and every one of the guys from HAOS and MYTH and some other .. trust me they will stay , in fact more will come . . .
we have diferent opinions , we will play and we will see and lets leave it at that , no more smaking about us beeing stupid c`mon lets end this b...sh...
its useless to predict the future ... cause no one will know for sure what will happen.
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Lone Bear
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Posted - 2006.02.26 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: pacifica
Pac, remind my mail mate, the end of it... Keep it in mind
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Sextus Licinius
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:52:00 -
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What PA lost is mining and researching corporations as well as individual carebears, i wouldn't call that a loss, i'm actually glad we did. I have been in PA for quite some time, yet i only saw BKG (mining area) 2-3 times when i went to shoot someone. What you guys did was doing a lil' cleanup. PA controls Venal, always did and because we lack the numbers to stand up against so many enemies ([5], KAOS Empire, F-E, [G], IRON, Razor, BOB, Babylon Alliance, Dominion Empire, KIA, Goonfleet KHM Corp, Black Hole INC) we were forced to employ guerilla tactix, not very succesfull a while ago tho, to the lack of fleet commanders.
So many ex-PA were in FE i never saw FE - .5 NAP comming, amazingly enough [G] and IRON started shooting our arses too. Is good to see that ATUK are not the same tard smakers i knew like more than one year ago, most of you have actually something to say. I'm tired to even try to understand EVE politics anymore, nor judging illogical decisions. Do what u have to do and let the chaos begin.
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sextus Licinius PA controls Venal
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Originally by: Sextus Licinius we were forced to employ guerilla tactix
tbh if you were making statements like this a year ago.. i'm not surprised to got smacked..
PA is losing (lost) the respect of it former allies.. and pretty much any creditability it had left..
--thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
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Antoinette Civari
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Posted - 2006.02.27 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sextus Licinius What PA lost is mining and researching corporations as well as individual carebears, i wouldn't call that a loss, i'm actually glad we did.
You lost the ability to form fleets and to defend your former regions, you lost any military significance you might had. And you still think that's a good thing? Accept reality.
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Sextus Licinius
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Posted - 2006.02.27 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Antoinette Civari
Originally by: Sextus Licinius What PA lost is mining and researching corporations as well as individual carebears, i wouldn't call that a loss, i'm actually glad we did.
You lost the ability to form fleets and to defend your former regions, you lost any military significance you might had. And you still think that's a good thing? Accept reality.
To be compleetly straight with you i'm still amazed how PA managed to live that long in 0.0, because after the carebears left i realized how few we really are. You are talking about a military significance that never existed in comparison to our enemies. But that was not my point in the previous post reply, the point was that you can't lose what you never had and i can do fine without the 40mil for a bs loss, so yeah i'm still glad. All pirates must die! |
Mortuus
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:51:00 -
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The moment they accept that your idea that they can't fight back, is the moment they lose. Fact is, if ATUK didn't have NPC stations to hide in they wouldn't still be in the area. Currently you are still the attacker, when that role changes to the holder of space and the defender things will change again.
You only lose a war when you choose to, by giving up.
Also, because I flew around Tribute last night, during my normal hours, and couldn't find any FE to fight, does that mean they are destroyed and in Empire? No. It just means that they have different timezones and work/school hours. So why don't you just come back when you've shut down all PA operations in the north.
If I only had a nickel for everytime PA has been declared dead...
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.02.27 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Mortuus The moment they accept that your idea that they can't fight back, is the moment they lose.
Again, u mean like abandoning BKG without a fight?
PA's favourite excuse for not helping F-E fight us was you were busy in BKG fighting RISK.. RISK still keeping busy?
Originally by: Mortuus
Fact is, if ATUK didn't have NPC stations to hide in they wouldn't still be in the area.
How does this class as a fact? Most ppl would read it as an opinion at best..
Originally by: Mortuus
Currently you are still the attacker, when that role changes to the holder of space and the defender things will change again.
We have held the space for many months.. PA have been encouraged on many occasions to disagree with this ingame, but they/you prefer to do this on the forums..
Originally by: Mortuus
You only lose a war when you choose to, by giving up.
You lose a war when you lose the ability to fight effectively and on a reasonible scale. After that your are only a random pirate.
--thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
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Monarch
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Posted - 2006.02.27 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mortuus The moment they accept that your idea that they can't fight back, is the moment they lose. Fact is, if ATUK didn't have NPC stations to hide in they wouldn't still be in the area. Currently you are still the attacker, when that role changes to the holder of space and the defender things will change again.
You only lose a war when you choose to, by giving up.
Also, because I flew around Tribute last night, during my normal hours, and couldn't find any FE to fight, does that mean they are destroyed and in Empire? No. It just means that they have different timezones and work/school hours. So why don't you just come back when you've shut down all PA operations in the north.
If I only had a nickel for everytime PA has been declared dead...
How things have changed. Is it redundant to say your war decs where a bad idea lol.
BTW BKG is not an NPC station.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.02.27 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Sarion Stormweaver
to anyone that claims PA is losing members ... while someone names it an alliance dieing. I name it a raw Darwinian selection method. I prefer having 100 guys by my side that don't have the spine with the consistency of the jellyfish. over&out
PA isnt dead because it's losing members. Stain alliance lost numbers and it recovered to be stronger than it was before. PA's problems are much more serious than that. It has a severly out of date charter that makes pa ineffective no matter how good of corps it gets in it. Due to this PA has not been able to launch a reasonable offensive/defensive action in a very long time. This has evaporated any morale the pa had left. More importantly it has completly ruined any chance for PA to recruit any half way decent new corps or players into it. So if PA cant stand on its own two feet now, it cant get more people into the alliance that can help them, it cant work together as a team even if it had those players, it is ruled by a document that insurses its falure in every situation, it clings to gameplay strategies that no longer apply to eve in its current form, than how do you expect for PA to be an effective alliance ever?
PA's inablity to act as an alliance instead act as a group of corperations + all of the above are all reasons why this time PA has no hope. It is dead, and it wont be comming back. Perhaps PA will linger around in denial like the remenants of FoE and FA, but it will never be a PA again. The choice you have now is do you want to continue to fight a hopless battle at the expense of your corperations or do you want to be a man and admit to yourselves your real current state of afairs and move on to bigger and better things. To continue the fight will accomplish nothing except killing your corperations. If you take a second to be honest with yourselves and admit the truth you'd realize that your best course of action is to leave PA and disband the alliance.
Denial is not a virtue. Be honest with yourselves PA.
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2006.02.27 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Hey Halseth, that narrow-minded "if you are friends with our enemies you're our enemy too/with us or against us" thing is what we call Standings Enclosurism and its the curse of the north at the moment. Its a pretty amazing thing to see you think as badly of that was we do.
Actually that "Standings Enclosurism" applies to the south also. It applies to whole 0,0 alliances and allies there.
Because ten thousand idiots say something is right does not mean it is,see germany 1933
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Posted - 2006.02.27 23:16:00 -
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Edited by: DjDangle on 27/02/2006 23:16:05 Now i'm certainly not a lover of P.A. and the fact this might be the end for them (Actually, hehe)
But i must admit, their biggest blow was nothing more than Propoganda, yet another alliance falls to the screams of people shouting:
"[Enter Alliance name here] is dead, all rejoice".....
"Assumption is the mother of all f**k ups"
[URL=http://www.itfb.org]ITFB Website[/URL] |
Vince Draken
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Posted - 2006.02.27 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: DjDangle Edited by: DjDangle on 27/02/2006 23:16:05 Now i'm certainly not a lover of P.A. and the fact this might be the end for them (Actually, hehe)
But i must admit, their biggest blow was nothing more than Propoganda, yet another alliance falls to the screams of people shouting:
"[Enter Alliance name here] is dead, all rejoice".....
So, that is a bigger blow than losing the space they claimed? Or their allies that kept them propped up?
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.02.27 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: DjDangle Edited by: DjDangle on 27/02/2006 23:16:05 Now i'm certainly not a lover of P.A. and the fact this might be the end for them (Actually, hehe)
But i must admit, their biggest blow was nothing more than Propoganda, yet another alliance falls to the screams of people shouting:
"[Enter Alliance name here] is dead, all rejoice".....
If you would know of their interworkings of their alliance you would realize that it was much much more than that.
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CmdrRat
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Posted - 2006.02.28 00:04:00 -
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Edited by: CmdrRat on 28/02/2006 00:05:08 I posted a about the same issues shortly before I left the PA over a year ago. Using an Alt, hoping someone would read it and see the truth and correct the problems.
If you look at the history of the PA you'll see some really big names in there, KIA and CELS among others. In each case a wonderful corp or group of players would join and try to make things better but fail. They would learn, and they would move on. I now consider the PA like the McDonals of Eve, people work there but don't stay forever unless they can't be more. Those who grow, pocket the small pay check, learn, and move on. Those who can't see the wall in front of them continue to put pickles on your cheeseburger even tho you said not to.
The PA needs to die now and it's people need to move on.
And BTW, 100 million of the 1 billion isk used to create the PA came from my and two other members of Evol's wallet, I here by place a lien on the alliance, if sold 1/10 of the sale price or 100 million isk, which ever is smaller will be payed to myself in order that it be destirbuted to the previous owners.
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MakkAnzy
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Posted - 2006.02.28 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: StiZum Hilidii Edited by: StiZum Hilidii on 26/02/2006 14:21:26 wetrain dude im gonna smack you to hell and back again every chance i get.
your alliance and its members represent the very thing that most people dislike about the game.
alliances cant die no matter what you do to them if 3 people decide they dont want it too. the fact you believe its a good thing to stay in pa after its space was taken over for the 3rd time.
3 times dude thats gotta be a new low record for the old alliances.
kthnxdie to use a good stav ending btw im playing a role in a game nothing else :) but seriously bow your head take a round of applause for lasting this long and do the respectable thing and die quietly and out of sight
I think its time for your corp to take its own advice, if your going to hole up in a NPC station how about doing in Empire.
As for most hated I am pretty sure you guys are up there above PA.
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DjDangle
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Posted - 2006.02.28 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Vince Draken
Originally by: DjDangle Edited by: DjDangle on 27/02/2006 23:16:05 Now i'm certainly not a lover of P.A. and the fact this might be the end for them (Actually, hehe)
But i must admit, their biggest blow was nothing more than Propoganda, yet another alliance falls to the screams of people shouting:
"[Enter Alliance name here] is dead, all rejoice".....
So, that is a bigger blow than losing the space they claimed? Or their allies that kept them propped up?
I'm not trying to say it is, what i am saying it was the general cause of it. Coupled with the fact that they are a weak ass alliance that couldn't fight their way out of a wet rizla, but lets not get embroilled in lame smack "Assumption is the mother of all f**k ups"
[URL=http://www.itfb.org]ITFB Website[/URL] |
Vince Draken
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Posted - 2006.02.28 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: MakkAnzy
Originally by: StiZum Hilidii Edited by: StiZum Hilidii on 26/02/2006 14:21:26 wetrain dude im gonna smack you to hell and back again every chance i get.
your alliance and its members represent the very thing that most people dislike about the game.
alliances cant die no matter what you do to them if 3 people decide they dont want it too. the fact you believe its a good thing to stay in pa after its space was taken over for the 3rd time.
3 times dude thats gotta be a new low record for the old alliances.
kthnxdie to use a good stav ending btw im playing a role in a game nothing else :) but seriously bow your head take a round of applause for lasting this long and do the respectable thing and die quietly and out of sight
I think its time for your corp to take its own advice, if your going to hole up in a NPC station how about doing in Empire.
As for most hated I am pretty sure you guys are up there above PA.
Hi, how about you login and take note of the last two weeks.
k?
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2006.02.28 01:06:00 -
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Thoc, reading is good. I am not PA. I'm just explaining why PA aren't dead. And yes, it is true ATUK wouldn't still be in the area if there weren't NPC stations. Becuase then it would have been worth fighting to remove you from H-PA and your PoS would have been taken. When you can just sit in an NPC station it becomes pointless to fight to kill your PoS. Occassus Republica, NBSI |
KIATolon
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Posted - 2006.02.28 01:10:00 -
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So why didn't you kill the atuk POS last time it was put up in the North?
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.02.28 01:35:00 -
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I'm just wondering why, when all this is going on, and you are unable to get a force together to defend venal, I regularly see 20ish gangs of PA camping the harroule gate in mhc?
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MakkAnzy
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Posted - 2006.02.28 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: KIATolon So why didn't you kill the atuk POS last time it was put up in the North?
Maybe because it was as pointless as this thread :D
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Sextus Licinius
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Posted - 2006.02.28 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Sarion Stormweaver
to anyone that claims PA is losing members ... while someone names it an alliance dieing. I name it a raw Darwinian selection method. I prefer having 100 guys by my side that don't have the spine with the consistency of the jellyfish. over&out
PA isnt dead because it's losing members. Stain alliance lost numbers and it recovered to be stronger than it was before. PA's problems are much more serious than that. It has a severly out of date charter that makes pa ineffective no matter how good of corps it gets in it. Due to this PA has not been able to launch a reasonable offensive/defensive action in a very long time. This has evaporated any morale the pa had left. More importantly it has completly ruined any chance for PA to recruit any half way decent new corps or players into it. So if PA cant stand on its own two feet now, it cant get more people into the alliance that can help them, it cant work together as a team even if it had those players, it is ruled by a document that insurses its falure in every situation, it clings to gameplay strategies that no longer apply to eve in its current form, than how do you expect for PA to be an effective alliance ever?
PA's inablity to act as an alliance instead act as a group of corperations + all of the above are all reasons why this time PA has no hope. It is dead, and it wont be comming back. Perhaps PA will linger around in denial like the remenants of FoE and FA, but it will never be a PA again. The choice you have now is do you want to continue to fight a hopless battle at the expense of your corperations or do you want to be a man and admit to yourselves your real current state of afairs and move on to bigger and better things. To continue the fight will accomplish nothing except killing your corperations. If you take a second to be honest with yourselves and admit the truth you'd realize that your best course of action is to leave PA and disband the alliance.
Denial is not a virtue. Be honest with yourselves PA.
Great post, one thing tho PA is not dead yet and currently has around 100 active members from former 180 (with carebears). Was that one of the smallest alliance controlling 2 great regions Venal and Branch? I think so. I doubt PA will disband for so little tho, this post reflects only my 2 cents nothing more.
To answer thot, any alliance that doesn't disband after loosing their player owned stations are called pirates? Do you even know what pirate mean, cause you seem to play with terms you don't quite understand. BKG was not the capital system of PA, it was the "Rome" of carebears and was enough for someone to want that space to get it (that was classified information a while ago :D ). All pirates must die! |
ZedLey
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Posted - 2006.02.28 08:38:00 -
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Edited by: ZedLey on 28/02/2006 08:38:24
Originally by: MakkAnzy
Originally by: KIATolon So why didn't you kill the atuk POS last time it was put up in the North?
Maybe because it was as pointless as this thread :D
Maybe it was because everytime u tried something you had your asses handed to you
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Ashen Brarn
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Posted - 2006.02.28 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sextus Licinius
To answer thot, any alliance that doesn't disband after loosing their player owned stations are called pirates? Do you even know what pirate mean, cause you seem to play with terms you don't quite understand. BKG was not the capital system of PA, it was the "Rome" of carebears and was enough for someone to want that space to get it (that was classified information a while ago :D ).
xelas still claim V7-MID. does that clear it up for you?
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Zzazzt
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Posted - 2006.02.28 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Sextus Licinius Was that one of the smallest alliance controlling 2 great regions Venal and Branch? I think so.
Well this is the whole point. PA hasn't controlled its regions for a very long time.
It's been living this long due to the goodwill of its neighbouring alliances. ____________________________________________
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lazlow lang
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Posted - 2006.02.28 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Rijji Goonfleet
The first victim of Goonfleets reign of terror
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.02.28 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sextus Licinius
To answer thot, any alliance that doesn't disband after loosing their player owned stations are called pirates? Do you even know what pirate mean, cause you seem to play with terms you don't quite understand. BKG was not the capital system of PA, it was the "Rome" of carebears and was enough for someone to want that space to get it (that was classified information a while ago :D ).
No, abandoning your stations isnt a notible action in itself.. after all, we did it ourselves..
A more notible fact is you didnt fight to keep it after using the excuse of fighting to keep it as the excuse not to help F-E fight us.. When we did it, we had been winning everytime we tried, we stopped because the way to win (spending 40 to 45 minutes per pos) just wasnt fun, and since CCP have changed to system since, looks like the decision was well justified.
I term you pirates as i believe PA is ineffective as an entity, and therefore no longer recognise any commission they bestow. Anyone can say they fight for a cause, but when the cause itself is widely reguarded as lost, it follows that it's commisions are mute.
I full accept that this is a POV situation, 1 man's freedom fighter is another man's pirate. But this in no way makes my opinion wrong, or came to from a lack of understanding.
--thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
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Endeva
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Posted - 2006.02.28 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Mortuus Thoc, reading is good. I am not PA. I'm just explaining why PA aren't dead. And yes, it is true ATUK wouldn't still be in the area if there weren't NPC stations. Becuase then it would have been worth fighting to remove you from H-PA and your PoS would have been taken. When you can just sit in an NPC station it becomes pointless to fight to kill your PoS.
hi i am most retarded person in eve, arent you MOrtuus? you always searchin some reason why are we stil here why we kick your ass and why are we soo uber.NPC stations doesnt have nothing with that.you HAD 3 alliances fighting againt us and you pay MC to fight us to.when i say us it was only atuk and few delta and other members,shinra and m.corp left us.and with you bloobed us /with 4 alliances all the time you lose all.you had 3 beautiful friend alliaces here and now one is with us and Second is dieing and in a month or two nbsi will also be evicted to empire.you need realize to beat us in game stop making some stupid idea that omg npc stations save them... and play game.if you wanna whine all the time you lose something go play other game. and btw i remember all the SILLY post your all making in the begingin of the war how are we dead alliance,how are we sitting at the pos or station all the time and we are TRApped and docked in h-pa.and guess what i cant believe someone docked can make this mess like we did now here.the only problem with your alliances is propaganda and your CEOs lied to your n00b members that you are winning in this war / while atuk kick you ass in fleets fights. Please resize your forum signature graphic to be smaller than 24,000 bytes in filesize - Jacques |
Exus
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Posted - 2006.02.28 12:40:00 -
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we have a lot of targets now in venal and branch, amazing really these times are so good ! |
Darcuese
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Posted - 2006.02.28 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: Darcuese on 28/02/2006 12:49:58
Originally by: Exus we have a lot of targets now in venal and branch, amazing really these times are so good !
Well today is carneval and lot of ppl put masks to pretend being somebody else. So i wont say anything for you puting face like this (), cause who am I to prevent you enjoying this one day...tomorrow you will be dust in the wind again 400x120@24000 bytes Max. -Capsicum |
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Exus
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Posted - 2006.02.28 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 28/02/2006 12:49:58
Originally by: Exus we have a lot of targets now in venal and branch, amazing really these times are so good !
Well today is carneval and lot of ppl put masks to pretend being somebody else. So i wont say anything for you puting face like this (), cause who am I to prevent you enjoying this one day...tomorrow you will be dust in the wind again
funny hehe i take so much fun killing you ATUKs, omg too cool you're so weak against us when you're alone booboo badboy gogo atuks fly safe in venal haha |
thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.02.28 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Exus
funny hehe i take so much fun killing you ATUKs, omg too cool you're so weak against us when you're alone booboo badboy gogo atuks fly safe in venal haha
so weak we have lived for months in venal..
i guess killing 5 to 10 ships (none solo) in 5 months is the height of excitement for some...
--thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
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pacifica
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Posted - 2006.02.28 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Zzazzt
Originally by: Sextus Licinius Was that one of the smallest alliance controlling 2 great regions Venal and Branch? I think so.
Well this is the whole point. PA hasn't controlled its regions for a very long time.
It's been living this long due to the goodwill of its neighbouring alliances.
BTW FE did u see 1 PA offert a NAP to atuk to kept it so before talking look at your alliance that offer NAP to 3/4 of is enemy.
BKG situation was no way to go in we was helping NBSI and when ATUK start to get BKG this is what happend. 100+ Battleship, 12+ dread, 4+ carrier and support so it around 150 ppl in a gang. Against PA that was pointless to go in a suicide trap.... It was before patch so imagine the lagggggg tooo
Every one want to see PA die... 1 Question i ask to every one. Do u Hate PA because of the founding Corp that start this Alliance.
If the answer is Yes then look closer of PA Alliance. Almost all the old corp left and join other Alliance look in F-E, IRON, RAZOR etc
If the answer is No then it only personel. if all PA spend a other billion isk to start a alliance same bull**** will happend so we KEPT PA FLAG UP WITH PRIDE.
Other thing for ATUK u smack me so hard that this 1 is for u only. I look at most of your corp mate (3/4) i realize that most of them SWITCH SIDE when water was too hot . So i belive the day that ATUK start to be in hot water it become a smaller corp.....
And now the smack about my typing will be back again .... SORRY FOR MY TYPO.....
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2006.02.28 13:32:00 -
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Edited by: Darcuese on 28/02/2006 13:33:05
Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: Darcuese
Originally by: Exus we have a lot of targets now in venal and branch, amazing really these times are so good !
Well today is carneval and lot of ppl put masks to pretend being somebody else. So i wont say anything for you puting face like this (), cause who am I to prevent you enjoying this one day...tomorrow you will be dust in the wind again
Why Darcuese, Im astonished but this superb reply of yours. You trully becoming my forum idol more and more
Oh, Im so.....honored with this nice words of your Thoth
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.28 13:35:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 28/02/2006 13:36:48 The sooner all 0.0 NPC stations are removed and replaced with Corp Owned Outposts, the better.
You'll soon see the lazy assed alliances dissapear from 0.0.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Turin
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Posted - 2006.02.28 13:37:00 -
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IMO ( and this is no way reflects the views of my corp or alliance )
This is just F-E's / 5's way of trying to publicly validate the reasons F-E stabbed thier allied friends in the back, and kick them when they are down.
Guess it just shows you what F-E are made of, and the 5 will put any kind of spin on it to seem justified. ________________________________________________________
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2006.02.28 13:39:00 -
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Pacifika...community is what make this game so great. Being unable to cooporate and communicate with neighbours and pilots roaming around made you ghost sooner then you came here and cry. Go on and continue to play this freelance game of yours. Its a single and not multiplayer if you didnt know. Why bother paying for broadband or modem is beyond me.
You dont exist and you never did. All this little letters you puting in your sentences does not make you real...you are just wisper hiding behind a tree
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Exus
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Posted - 2006.02.28 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: Exus
funny hehe i take so much fun killing you ATUKs, omg too cool you're so weak against us when you're alone booboo badboy gogo atuks fly safe in venal haha
so weak we have lived for months in venal..
i guess killing 5 to 10 ships (none solo) in 5 months is the height of excitement for some...[/quote
whoah yeah ! im excited ! to kill the fives roxors, omg so excited, could you feel it ? and of course we are allways at least 5 against 1 fives! you're too powerfull/skilled for us mate! and you have also asked some other alliances to come in venal such like goons, babylons, i like to kill them too! thx the fives! you're making that area damn interesting! |
ZedLey
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Posted - 2006.02.28 13:42:00 -
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Pacifica just lol, you have no idea whats goin on around you dont you
And lol @ u sayin atuk will become a smaller corp when the times get hot, we play for those times not run from it
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2006.02.28 13:46:00 -
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Edited by: Darcuese on 28/02/2006 13:47:01
Originally by: Exus gah i just stopped training my skills, i allready got all the needed ones...
Im so little hard working ant. Seeing you with all those skill I wish you could be my dad. Isnt life so cruel. Space so dark. Oh mamma , oh mamma...please make me become Exus so I can taste for a moment power of God
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ZedLey
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Posted - 2006.02.28 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Exus
Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: Exus
funny hehe i take so much fun killing you ATUKs, omg too cool you're so weak against us when you're alone booboo badboy gogo atuks fly safe in venal haha
so weak we have lived for months in venal..
i guess killing 5 to 10 ships (none solo) in 5 months is the height of excitement for some...
whoah yeah ! im excited ! to kill the fives roxors, omg so excited, could you feel it ? and of course we are allways at least 5 against 1 fives! you're too powerfull/skilled for us mate! and you have also asked some other alliances to come in venal such like goons, babylons, i like to kill them too! thx the fives! you're making that area damn interesting!
Rofl
Since 2005 you have scored 7 kills and lost 8 ships
Awesome...glad we could be at your service
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.02.28 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 28/02/2006 13:36:48 The sooner all 0.0 NPC stations are removed and replaced with Corp Owned Outposts, the better.
You'll soon see the lazy assed alliances dissapear from 0.0.
dbp
PA lived in branch for quite a while.. lazy alliances live off other alliances, it is not completely a result of NPC stations.. most of the functionality of stations is now replicated in POS's now.
@Turin.. who do you think we need to justify our actions too? who do you think F-E have to justify their actions too? Maybe you have never experienced strong leadership.. or never experienced not having to live on the back of other ppl's good will.. The reason needed by a respected leader is.. "Cuz i thought it was best". When you experience good leadership you will understand.
@Darcuese -- <3 j0o
--thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
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Exus
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Posted - 2006.02.28 13:59:00 -
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lmao i give work to the fives forum warriors |
Auman
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Posted - 2006.02.28 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 28/02/2006 13:36:48 The sooner all 0.0 NPC stations are removed and replaced with Corp Owned Outposts, the better.
You'll soon see the lazy assed alliances dissapear from 0.0.
dbp
PA lived in branch for quite a while.. lazy alliances live off other alliances, it is not completely a result of NPC stations.. most of the functionality of stations is now replicated in POS's now.
Weak alliances continue to exisit in 0.0 space because you cannot remove them from npc stations. They have nothing invested in the region that they have to protect and are just parasites. Hopefully one day soon all the npc stations will be gone or become conquerable.
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.02.28 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Auman
Weak alliances continue to exisit in 0.0 space because you cannot remove them from npc stations. They have nothing invested in the region that they have to protect and are just parasites. Hopefully one day soon all the npc stations will be gone or become conquerable.
yes yes, dbp said that already.. but it is still only 1 example of how a weak alliance lives in 0.0, even if you repeat it twice..
--thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
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Raaki
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Posted - 2006.02.28 15:04:00 -
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Exus,
Maybe you should change your corp name to Try Dying.
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2006.02.28 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: pacifica
Originally by: Zzazzt
Originally by: Sextus Licinius Was that one of the smallest alliance controlling 2 great regions Venal and Branch? I think so.
Well this is the whole point. PA hasn't controlled its regions for a very long time.
It's been living this long due to the goodwill of its neighbouring alliances.
BTW FE did u see 1 PA offert a NAP to atuk to kept it so before talking look at your alliance that offer NAP to 3/4 of is enemy.
BKG situation was no way to go in we was helping NBSI and when ATUK start to get BKG this is what happend. 100+ Battleship, 12+ dread, 4+ carrier and support so it around 150 ppl in a gang. Against PA that was pointless to go in a suicide trap.... It was before patch so imagine the lagggggg tooo
Every one want to see PA die... 1 Question i ask to every one. Do u Hate PA because of the founding Corp that start this Alliance.
If the answer is Yes then look closer of PA Alliance. Almost all the old corp left and join other Alliance look in F-E, IRON, RAZOR etc
If the answer is No then it only personel. if all PA spend a other billion isk to start a alliance same bull**** will happend so we KEPT PA FLAG UP WITH PRIDE.
Other thing for ATUK u smack me so hard that this 1 is for u only. I look at most of your corp mate (3/4) i realize that most of them SWITCH SIDE when water was too hot . So i belive the day that ATUK start to be in hot water it become a smaller corp.....
And now the smack about my typing will be back again .... SORRY FOR MY TYPO.....
sorry pacifica your an idiot and ill say so. atuk members are some of the best pvpers in game and the reason they come to atuk is we are all about winning. weve been in a plenty of hot water and we are still here cos unlike pa when the tough love starts coming we get the lube and push on through. we fight fight fight and fight some more. if your players had half the grit that atuk members have you wouldnt be in the situation you are now. you a weak leader of a weak corp in a weak alliance looking at us pains you cos we are everything your not in the game namely GOOD STAN FACTA NON VERBA THE ALPS SUCKED BTW |
DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.28 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 28/02/2006 13:36:48 The sooner all 0.0 NPC stations are removed and replaced with Corp Owned Outposts, the better.
You'll soon see the lazy assed alliances dissapear from 0.0.
dbp
PA lived in branch for quite a while.. lazy alliances live off other alliances, it is not completely a result of NPC stations.. most of the functionality of stations is now replicated in POS's now.
Oh aye totally, although at least if they are living in pos is gives you a chance to wtfpwn their asses ;)
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.02.28 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Auman
Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: Auman
Weak alliances continue to exisit in 0.0 space because you cannot remove them from npc stations. They have nothing invested in the region that they have to protect and are just parasites. Hopefully one day soon all the npc stations will be gone or become conquerable.
yes yes, dbp said that already.. but it is still only 1 example of how a weak alliance lives in 0.0, even if you repeat it twice..
This isn't however the thread to discuss this but basically I dis-agree it is the only way a weak alliance continues to function as a 0.0 entity.
fair enuff, we'll agree to disagree then
--thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
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Fred0
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Posted - 2006.02.28 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug Funny post, Stan
Be nice, he's trying to roleplay
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2006.02.28 15:43:00 -
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i dont need help from you you caldari pig
:P STAN FACTA NON VERBA THE ALPS SUCKED BTW |
Exus
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Posted - 2006.02.28 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Raaki Exus,
Maybe you should change your corp name to Try Dying.
whoah yeah! good idea! ill suggest it to my leaders :D but i still prefer die trying, makes more noobish u know |
Crellion
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Posted - 2006.02.28 16:23:00 -
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while having spent all my 0.0 time in eve in opppsite camps I wish once more to express gratitude for what Mythos and Maza/maza nostra stand for. I am really proud of you guys. gratz
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.02.28 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Crellion while having spent all my 0.0 time in eve in opppsite camps I wish once more to express gratitude for what Mythos and Maza/maza nostra stand for. I am really proud of you guys. gratz
roids and NPC's all over eve are hating you right now for your support of these ebil corps..
--thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
We do not go hunting, cuz hunting infers the possibility of failure.. We go killing... |
Crellion
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Posted - 2006.02.28 17:21:00 -
[185]
Edited by: Crellion on 28/02/2006 17:23:19
Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: Crellion while having spent all my 0.0 time in eve in opppsite camps I wish once more to express gratitude for what Mythos and Maza/maza nostra stand for. I am really proud of you guys. gratz
roids and NPC's all over eve are hating you right now for your support of these ebil corps..
Lol Toth cant I praise my RL country men for 5 secs here without receiving smack from my &*^*)%)*&% allies ffs
Not to mention I hate npcs too now and then and when I was a wee lad I even had fights with teh roids
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.02.28 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Crellion
Lol Toth cant I praise my RL country men for 5 secs here without receiving smack from my &*^*)%)*&% allies ffs
NO!!!!!! mwahahahahahahahahaha
--thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
We do not go hunting, cuz hunting infers the possibility of failure.. We go killing... |
Dahin
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Posted - 2006.02.28 20:57:00 -
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yes, we are ebil. please love us long time.
<3 Crellion, <3 killing infant baby seals.
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BlackDog Rackh'am
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Posted - 2006.03.01 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: Crellion
Lol Toth cant I praise my RL country men for 5 secs here without receiving smack from my &*^*)%)*&% allies ffs
NO!!!!!! mwahahahahahahahahaha
I would post a link to that video (you know which one ) but it's late at night and i can't bother finding it.
Just a hint...if you want to be an elitist you can't afford to be seen with stabbies on your zealot in an EvE vid. Leave that to us non-uber, poor people who haven't experienced strong leadership and have trouble replacing HACs
As for you....
Originally by: Endeva
Originally by: Mortuus Thoc, reading is good. I am not PA. I'm just explaining why PA aren't dead. And yes, it is true ATUK wouldn't still be in the area if there weren't NPC stations. Becuase then it would have been worth fighting to remove you from H-PA and your PoS would have been taken. When you can just sit in an NPC station it becomes pointless to fight to kill your PoS.
hi i am most retarded person in eve, arent you MOrtuus? you always searchin some reason why are we stil here why we kick your ass and why are we soo uber.NPC stations doesnt have nothing with that.you HAD 3 alliances fighting againt us and you pay MC to fight us to.when i say us it was only atuk and few delta and other members,shinra and m.corp left us.and with you bloobed us /with 4 alliances all the time you lose all.you had 3 beautiful friend alliaces here and now one is with us and Second is dieing and in a month or two nbsi will also be evicted to empire.you need realize to beat us in game stop making some stupid idea that omg npc stations save them... and play game.if you wanna whine all the time you lose something go play other game. and btw i remember all the SILLY post your all making in the begingin of the war how are we dead alliance,how are we sitting at the pos or station all the time and we are TRApped and docked in h-pa.and guess what i cant believe someone docked can make this mess like we did now here.the only problem with your alliances is propaganda and your CEOs lied to your n00b members that you are winning in this war / while atuk kick you ass in fleets fights.
...the only time i happened across you, you were in a hauler and telling me it was bad of me to camp you with my vaga. Does that mean you're no good for PvP? Probably not, you could be one of the best pilots in game, but i have seen you only once and you were flying an indy. I could just say that i have never seen you in a combat ship and it would be true, because appearances can be deceiving. Most of the people who were saying that [5] was dead were PA and FE, we had a no smack policy at the time. So put down your flamethrower and stop generalising.
We might not have the biggest blobs and the best pilots in the game, but if being good at this will make me sound like some of you guys, then i prefer to be mediocre and keep from loosing my marbles over a bunch of pixels.
The main reason some people left NBSI was that they were bored senseless with you up there and wanted fresh targets, make of that what you wish but it is true. In fact, we were talking about the whole of NBSI abandoning tenal and moving somewhere south. I'm not saying you don't fight, i'm just saying your fighting style (with all the assorted smack,publicity stunts and what not) was boring most of us to tears, not to mention that most of your members are active on a certain timezone, while ours were spread among several.
You bet we went to gank people in the south, were we supposed to wait until you all log back in so that the FE leadership won't throw a tantrum? Not to mention that whenever there was some sort of fight and we were asking what to bring, 9 times out of 10 FE would say "don't get involved".
Most of the arguments against NBSI don't add up under closer scrutiny. Just be honest like grown up men and say you got a personal vendetta and want to kill NBSI.
Originally by: Black Lotus I vote u for KIA spokesperson.
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.03.01 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am
I would post a link to that video (you know which one ) but it's late at night and i can't bother finding it.
Just a hint...if you want to be an elitist you can't afford to be seen with stabbies on your zealot in an EvE vid. Leave that to us non-uber, poor people who haven't experienced strong leadership and have trouble replacing HACs
i wasnt worried about replacing the zealot.. a m8 had the BPO :)
--thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
We do not go hunting, cuz hunting infers the possibility of failure.. We go killing... |
Vince Draken
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Posted - 2006.03.01 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am
The main reason some people left NBSI was that they were bored senseless with you up there and wanted fresh targets, make of that what you wish but it is true.
I thought you left because you didn't want to have to set F-E's mining corp's to + standings.
I guess you're reasons for leaving depends on which thread and who posted it (IE blame FE when convient).
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.03.01 04:18:00 -
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Edited by: pershphanie on 01/03/2006 04:20:12
Originally by: Sextus Licinius
Great post, one thing tho PA is not dead yet and currently has around 100 active members from former 180 (with carebears). Was that one of the smallest alliance controlling 2 great regions Venal and Branch? I think so. I doubt PA will disband for so little tho, this post reflects only my 2 cents nothing more.
To answer thot, any alliance that doesn't disband after loosing their player owned stations are called pirates? Do you even know what pirate mean, cause you seem to play with terms you don't quite understand. BKG was not the capital system of PA, it was the "Rome" of carebears and was enough for someone to want that space to get it (that was classified information a while ago :D ).
Think you missed the point. Buz words like 'pirate' or 'freedom fighter' are irrelevent. The point was not that PA was dead because it lost a station or it is hemeraging members and corps. PA as an alliance simply doesnt work. Due to several circumstances (out of allies to prop it up, a reputation burned to the point where it will never get good new corps/players recruited into the alliance again, etc) it is way beyond any point of repair. This time it really is dead. The best thing to do at this point is to save the corperations in it. There still are a few good ones. It would be ashame for PA leadership (if that exists anymore) to order all of its corperations to destroy it self fighting a battle they have already lost.
I hear alot of PA/NBSI in this thread trying to twist things in a way to blame me for their ill fate. However I do not hear anyone disputing the facts of my argument. If it makes things easier you can blame me if you like. However that really changes nothing. The truth will catch up to you. Your alliance is dead. If you act now you can save the corperations. If you chose a state of denial dont blame me when it kills your corperations as well.
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MakkAnzy
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Posted - 2006.03.01 05:04:00 -
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I see the form smackers had some more dribble to post :D
Lol I guess you guys are the equivalent of oxygen suckers except you suck the very bits out of cyberspace :D
Keep posting to prove your relevance!
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.03.01 05:10:00 -
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Originally by: MakkAnzy I see the form smackers had some more dribble to post :D
Lol I guess you guys are the equivalent of oxygen suckers except you suck the very bits out of cyberspace :D
Keep posting to prove your relevance!
Typicaly Pa/Nsi response. Try and dismiss it as random smacktalk if you like but nothing can save you from the truth.
Please resize your signature graphic to be less than 24,000 bytes in filesize - Jacques |
Shittake
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Posted - 2006.03.01 06:12:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie Edited by: pershphanie on 01/03/2006 04:20:12
Originally by: Sextus Licinius
Great post, one thing tho PA is not dead yet and currently has around 100 active members from former 180 (with carebears). Was that one of the smallest alliance controlling 2 great regions Venal and Branch? I think so. I doubt PA will disband for so little tho, this post reflects only my 2 cents nothing more.
To answer thot, any alliance that doesn't disband after loosing their player owned stations are called pirates? Do you even know what pirate mean, cause you seem to play with terms you don't quite understand. BKG was not the capital system of PA, it was the "Rome" of carebears and was enough for someone to want that space to get it (that was classified information a while ago :D ).
Think you missed the point. Buz words like 'pirate' or 'freedom fighter' are irrelevent. The point was not that PA was dead because it lost a station or it is hemeraging members and corps. PA as an alliance simply doesnt work. Due to several circumstances (out of allies to prop it up, a reputation burned to the point where it will never get good new corps/players recruited into the alliance again, etc) it is way beyond any point of repair. This time it really is dead. The best thing to do at this point is to save the corperations in it. There still are a few good ones. It would be ashame for PA leadership (if that exists anymore) to order all of its corperations to destroy it self fighting a battle they have already lost.
I hear alot of PA/NBSI in this thread trying to twist things in a way to blame me for their ill fate. However I do not hear anyone disputing the facts of my argument. If it makes things easier you can blame me if you like. However that really changes nothing. The truth will catch up to you. Your alliance is dead. If you act now you can save the corperations. If you chose a state of denial dont blame me when it kills your corperations as well.
For once I do agree with you Persh, imagine that.
It does look as if PA is dying, I will agree with you on that point. From a pure numbers standpoint they do seem to have alot of dead weight that seems to do apparently nothing at all. But they also have some good corps which fight regularly (how long they fight for PA is unknown).
But NBSI is far from dead, our forces are fighting and winning in a battle for control of our space. This battle will continue against whomever agresses us into the future. We intend to stay, and our fighting forces will do anything and everything possible to cripple and destabilize those who attempt to remove us.
This war is far from over, it will be interesting to see how it unfolds.
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.03.01 09:18:00 -
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Edited by: thoth foc on 01/03/2006 09:18:47
Originally by: ****take
But NBSI is far from dead, our forces are fighting and winning in a battle for control of our space. This battle will continue against whomever agresses us into the future. We intend to stay, and our fighting forces will do anything and everything possible to cripple and destabilize those who attempt to remove us.
This war is far from over, it will be interesting to see how it unfolds.
i seem to have heard this all b4 somewhere
--thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
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KIATolon
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Posted - 2006.03.01 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: ****take For once I do agree with you Persh, imagine that.
It does look as if PA is dying, I will agree with you on that point. From a pure numbers standpoint they do seem to have alot of dead weight that seems to do apparently nothing at all. But they also have some good corps which fight regularly (how long they fight for PA is unknown).
But NBSI is far from dead, our forces are fighting and winning in a battle for control of our space. This battle will continue against whomever agresses us into the future. We intend to stay, and our fighting forces will do anything and everything possible to cripple and destabilize those who attempt to remove us.
This war is far from over, it will be interesting to see how it unfolds.
I dont think the war is far from over, nor do I think it will be interesting to see how things unfold. However I do think that NBSI may well have the balls to turn round and say "we got beat" when it happens and in doing that will ensure the survival of their alliance as people's respect for them grows.
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Naphtalia
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Posted - 2006.03.01 10:40:00 -
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Seems PA gave up on Branch, they seem not to be actively contesting that space and are concentrating on trying to keep Tenal.. PA/NBSI/UCC/CI fleet attempting to shoot a large POS last night in 60y while we are sleeping.
PS: (did you get it into reinforced and what time does it come out of reinforced?) ty!
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TIvian
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Posted - 2006.03.01 11:16:00 -
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I know I have been under a rock for some time and only recently returned to the whole PVP thing. But as far as I know an alliance isn't dead unless it chooses to be so.
I have heard soooo many times that PA is dead. First when BoB came up during my last days in Curse Alliance...and then some CA warriors came up and became military advisers and helped turn things around.
Same with SA and so on. Sorry to rain on the forum game play but I as much as I am enjoying my time up north I know that as soon as everyone moves on to different targets and moves out PA will still be there.
Its like the whole Fountain Alliance are dead or Imperium.
BLAH BLAH BLAH. NEXT!!!
Curse Alliance: United we stand. Divided...well you know the rest!!!
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Tholarim
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Posted - 2006.03.01 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: TIvian I know I have been under a rock for some time and only recently returned to the whole PVP thing. But as far as I know an alliance isn't dead unless it chooses to be so.
I have heard soooo many times that PA is dead. First when BoB came up during my last days in Curse Alliance...and then some CA warriors came up and became military advisers and helped turn things around.
Same with SA and so on. Sorry to rain on the forum game play but I as much as I am enjoying my time up north I know that as soon as everyone moves on to different targets and moves out PA will still be there.
Its like the whole Fountain Alliance are dead or Imperium.
BLAH BLAH BLAH. NEXT!!!
pssst tiv, you're flaming the wrong ppl. We want pa to die remember? kthnx.
/emote sneaks out the backdoor.
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Pylse
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Posted - 2006.03.01 17:01:00 -
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Threads like this one makes me realize how glad I am to be out of the alliance scenario. Can't you just... kill eachother and be done with it? =P
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.03.01 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Pylse Threads like this one makes me realize how glad I am to be out of the alliance scenario. Can't you just... kill eachother and be done with it? =P
The "alliance scenario" is just another option for RP'ing.. killing without atmosphere is called NPC'ing
--thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
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Vince Draken
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Posted - 2006.03.01 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: Pylse Threads like this one makes me realize how glad I am to be out of the alliance scenario. Can't you just... kill eachother and be done with it? =P
The "alliance scenario" is just another option for RP'ing.. killing without atmosphere is called NPC'ing
QFT
Then again, some ppl like being just another gank corp.
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Lag Fest
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Posted - 2006.03.01 18:58:00 -
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i know PA r supposed to be my enemies but it's actually kinda sad seeing everyone they used to call "freinds" backstabbing them like that. I actually thought more of Iron/G/RAZOR.
Well i guess there isn't much more to say than GL PA. Hope u make it without too many losses. _______________________________________
Loved by some Hated by many Feared by all
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.03.01 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Lag Fest i know PA r supposed to be my enemies but it's actually kinda sad seeing everyone they used to call "freinds" backstabbing them like that. I actually thought more of Iron/G/RAZOR.
Well i guess there isn't much more to say than GL PA. Hope u make it without too many losses.
Back to the mindcontrol tanks for you my lad!
Eve Blacklight Style
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Galavet
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Posted - 2006.03.01 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Lag Fest i know PA r supposed to be my enemies but it's actually kinda sad seeing everyone they used to call "freinds" backstabbing them like that. I actually thought more of Iron/G/RAZOR.
Well i guess there isn't much more to say than GL PA. Hope u make it without too many losses.
Back to the mindcontrol tanks for you my lad!
Awww-ooooo-gaaah Awww-ooooo-gaaah --- Damage control team report to the forums ASAP, BoB member speaking kindly of PA, Flame PA to no end to counter the damage --- Awww-ooooo-gaaah Awww-ooooo-gaaah!!
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.03.01 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Galavet
Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Lag Fest i know PA r supposed to be my enemies but it's actually kinda sad seeing everyone they used to call "freinds" backstabbing them like that. I actually thought more of Iron/G/RAZOR.
Well i guess there isn't much more to say than GL PA. Hope u make it without too many losses.
Back to the mindcontrol tanks for you my lad!
Awww-ooooo-gaaah Awww-ooooo-gaaah --- Damage control team report to the forums ASAP, BoB member speaking kindly of PA, Flame PA to no end to counter the damage --- Awww-ooooo-gaaah Awww-ooooo-gaaah!!
Calm down man its not as if he is praising Orc A or something
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Sextus Licinius
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Posted - 2006.03.02 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Crellion
Originally by: Galavet
Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Lag Fest i know PA r supposed to be my enemies but it's actually kinda sad seeing everyone they used to call "freinds" backstabbing them like that. I actually thought more of Iron/G/RAZOR.
Well i guess there isn't much more to say than GL PA. Hope u make it without too many losses.
Back to the mindcontrol tanks for you my lad!
Awww-ooooo-gaaah Awww-ooooo-gaaah --- Damage control team report to the forums ASAP, BoB member speaking kindly of PA, Flame PA to no end to counter the damage --- Awww-ooooo-gaaah Awww-ooooo-gaaah!!
Calm down man its not as if he is praising Orc A or something
lol you kill me guys ... err in a good way.
Anyway is ok for everyone to go against the weekest, it only ruins this game nothing else. I guess we're all lucky that in real life politics are not made by 12 year olds living in a basement on nachos and spit, otherwise we would be in big f**king trouble. All pirates must die! |
Endeva
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Posted - 2006.03.02 01:21:00 -
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BlackDog Rackh'am guess what i am an indy pilot you can always check www.atuk.org for pilot stats
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Vince Draken
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Posted - 2006.03.02 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Sextus Licinius
Originally by: Crellion
Originally by: Galavet
Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Lag Fest i know PA r supposed to be my enemies but it's actually kinda sad seeing everyone they used to call "freinds" backstabbing them like that. I actually thought more of Iron/G/RAZOR.
Well i guess there isn't much more to say than GL PA. Hope u make it without too many losses.
Back to the mindcontrol tanks for you my lad!
Awww-ooooo-gaaah Awww-ooooo-gaaah --- Damage control team report to the forums ASAP, BoB member speaking kindly of PA, Flame PA to no end to counter the damage --- Awww-ooooo-gaaah Awww-ooooo-gaaah!!
Calm down man its not as if he is praising Orc A or something
lol you kill me guys ... err in a good way.
Anyway is ok for everyone to go against the weekest, it only ruins this game nothing else. I guess we're all lucky that in real life politics are not made by 12 year olds living in a basement on nachos and spit, otherwise we would be in big f**king trouble.
Guess what though. PA was already the weakest before everyone KOS'd you. I guess flaming us and war dec'ing us wasnt such a great idea in retrospect huh?
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2006.03.02 01:37:00 -
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this is actually one of the times again im sad that eve doesnt offer "win conditions" for wars or conflicts.
In eve every clearly won conflict ends the same way, one side dominating, the other pretending defiantly that they arent dead and will be back soon tm.
While this might have added in the old age same drama and fitted nicely to the mad professor theme shouting "ill be back hahahahahaha" at the end of the movie it becomes old, quickly.
PA isnt dead in my personal opinion since an alliance cant technically die in eve. They are however taken out. Their homeland taken, thousands of ships lost, politically broken and pilots fleeing their ranks. Ironically ppl are calling it a rebirth and talking about a stronger PA coming out of all this, i ask you why did u declare war in the first place ? This doesnt fit the rebirth tale. In the end you have to accept the humble pie and the new situation, despite your best forum warfare attempts and excuses generated by your friends in nbsi the facts offer a clear and undisputed image. You changed from a strong major force in the north to a nobody with little political might, little military power (if u cant field 15 capital ships as an alliance and 100bs support youre doing something wrong dudes) and no pilots to rebuild.
In my personal view its sad that noone in eve can accept defeat or publically admit it and that there is no "official unbiased" way of presenting this kind of information without beeing called a liar or biased.
Atleast CA had the grace to die in public, thats another thing i salute them for, especially since ive never been a member of CA and fought them all the time. Zombie and alliance necormancy are abit 2005, lets keep that in mind PA. Make ur statement, earn some respect and kudos. Then do the same CA did, spread, prosper and return successfull to the game in other alliances, with new goals, allies and enemies.
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Fred0
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Posted - 2006.03.02 07:02:00 -
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*yawn* So this has happened pretty much to every entity in the game except maybe G and BOB. All others have split and/or shredded fat during conflicts. Honestly if you are there and know what is going on are you really that desperate or easily winded up so that you can't feel satisfied with what's going on unless they have to be publically humiliated aswell?
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2006.03.02 07:24:00 -
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Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 02/03/2006 07:25:24
Originally by: Lag Fest i know PA r supposed to be my enemies but it's actually kinda sad seeing everyone they used to call "freinds" backstabbing them like that. I actually thought more of Iron/G/RAZOR.
Well i guess there isn't much more to say than GL PA. Hope u make it without too many losses.
Actually we didnt backstab PA, we abandoned them a longer time ago (OF post on that topic was done), cause they abandoned us even longer before. --------------------------------
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.03.02 07:39:00 -
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Originally by: Fred0 *yawn* So this has happened pretty much to every entity in the game except maybe G and BOB. All others have split and/or shredded fat during conflicts. Honestly if you are there and know what is going on are you really that desperate or easily winded up so that you can't feel satisfied with what's going on unless they have to be publically humiliated aswell?
But not everyone has lost thier regions, without the ability to take back anouther. Sure [5] lost some corps, but in the end it didn't weaken them, and they still remained one of the most powerfull alliences in the game, no matter what you think of them.
Fix lost corps, and didn't crumble. Same with a great number of alliences. But, those alliences are still around today, and still can form fleets to defend thier space. The differance is, alliences like IMP and FA and now PA can't or won't. Which is why they are nothing more then a group of has-beens, destened to live a life in empire, untill either the last person gives up, or the current people residing in thier fourmer homs give it back to them.
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2006.03.02 07:48:00 -
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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 02/03/2006 07:25:24
Originally by: Lag Fest i know PA r supposed to be my enemies but it's actually kinda sad seeing everyone they used to call "freinds" backstabbing them like that. I actually thought more of Iron/G/RAZOR.
Well i guess there isn't much more to say than GL PA. Hope u make it without too many losses.
Actually we didnt backstab PA, we abandoned them a longer time ago (OF post on that topic was done), cause they abandoned us even longer before.
Yes...I remember those JF thread books time...and 4-5 months ago it was that you changed standings with PA and some others....or something like that
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.03.02 08:19:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim In the end you have to accept the humble pie and the new situation, despite your best forum warfare attempts and excuses generated by your friends in nbsi the facts offer a clear and undisputed image.
Where was 5's humble pie when RA basically forced them back to empire? Excuses like "we're bored with POS wars, we're gonna roam". But then just a few months later you move right back out to 0.0 space and engage in those very same POS wars you said you disliked so much, except this time against a weaker opponent so you could come out the winner. Eat humble pie? You must be kidding.
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SengH
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Posted - 2006.03.02 08:38:00 -
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Edited by: SengH on 02/03/2006 08:40:24
Originally by: ****take
Originally by: Kcel Chim In the end you have to accept the humble pie and the new situation, despite your best forum warfare attempts and excuses generated by your friends in nbsi the facts offer a clear and undisputed image.
Where was 5's humble pie when RA basically forced them back to empire? Excuses like "we're bored with POS wars, we're gonna roam". But then just a few months later you move right back out to 0.0 space and engage in those very same POS wars you said you disliked so much, except this time against a weaker opponent so you could come out the winner. Eat humble pie? You must be kidding.
What are you crazy? Your calling this a POS war? At the height of the RA pos wars more towers went up each day than during this entire northern campaign.
Edit: There were easily 8-9 POSes from both sides going up each night in a single day alone. That hardly compares to having 3 large POS in bkg. Or 1 large POS in a npc system.
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Fred0
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Posted - 2006.03.02 08:39:00 -
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Edited by: Fred0 on 02/03/2006 08:39:39
Originally by: Lorth But not everyone has lost thier regions, without the ability to take back anouther. Sure [5] lost some corps, but in the end it didn't weaken them, and they still remained one of the most powerfull alliances in the game, no matter what you think of them.
Now you are entering into shades of grey (motive) and looking at the ability to rebuild. I'm not disputing that 5/ATUK are good and that they have the leadership that allows them to rival the strongest alliances in the game, what this guarantees in essence is that they will bounce back from failures, but not that they will never loose or haven't lost to date. imho...
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Josiah Bartlet
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Posted - 2006.03.02 09:06:00 -
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Edited by: Josiah Bartlet on 02/03/2006 09:07:35
Originally by: ****take
Originally by: Kcel Chim In the end you have to accept the humble pie and the new situation, despite your best forum warfare attempts and excuses generated by your friends in nbsi the facts offer a clear and undisputed image.
Where was 5's humble pie when RA basically forced them back to empire? Excuses like "we're bored with POS wars, we're gonna roam". But then just a few months later you move right back out to 0.0 space and engage in those very same POS wars you said you disliked so much, except this time against a weaker opponent so you could come out the winner. Eat humble pie? You must be kidding.
How does someone who reads and posts on the forums as much as you remain so utterly clueless. We smashed RA's military to pieces. They were left with a lame tactics of spamming small control towers before downtime. Did you happen to notice that CCP changed soventry? GEE I WONDER WHY
Had we choosen we could have lived in curse and such and kill 100 unarmed small pos day after day. We decided it would be more fun to come smash you tards in your big mouths. Judging by whats left, I'd say you should have stfu and left it alone. But, much like your post I quoted you are clueless and yet have a giant mouth frothing over with non-sensical dribble. I hope you are satisfied with the results of your mouth. Not only have you and your ilk destroyed PA, but NBSI isnt much anymore.
Considering you have pilots in megathrons/425's flying around with heatsinks fit, I'd take your time and post internally on how to propperly fit a ship for all your nubs.
Oh and keep posting, its doing you wonders. --- SigPl/HQ&Log Coy/MNB(C)/KFOR |
StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2006.03.02 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: ****take
Originally by: Kcel Chim In the end you have to accept the humble pie and the new situation, despite your best forum warfare attempts and excuses generated by your friends in nbsi the facts offer a clear and undisputed image.
Where was 5's humble pie when RA basically forced them back to empire? Excuses like "we're bored with POS wars, we're gonna roam". But then just a few months later you move right back out to 0.0 space and engage in those very same POS wars you said you disliked so much, except this time against a weaker opponent so you could come out the winner. Eat humble pie? You must be kidding.
see i see this and it shouts noob to me. you dont read changes in games do you. when we stopped fighting pos wars with ra it was due to the fact that ra could invest in small pos with 1 gun and enough stront to last a week, and claim sov
we cant couldnt fight 20 pos in every system when no one had dread fleets. now the game has changed to system control needing large pos to claim a system. we can fight those pos wars. we can field one of the largest capital fleets in the game. we can fight pos wars now in the way ccp wanted STAN FACTA NON VERBA THE ALPS SUCKED BTW |
Shittake
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Posted - 2006.03.02 09:25:00 -
[220]
whatever
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.03.02 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 02/03/2006 07:25:24
Originally by: Lag Fest i know PA r supposed to be my enemies but it's actually kinda sad seeing everyone they used to call "freinds" backstabbing them like that. I actually thought more of Iron/G/RAZOR.
Well i guess there isn't much more to say than GL PA. Hope u make it without too many losses.
Actually we didnt backstab PA, we abandoned them a longer time ago (OF post on that topic was done), cause they abandoned us even longer before.
I agree with that. Iron and pa have never really gotten along. They just put put on a happy face for the public. This was a long time comming.
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2006.03.02 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: ****take whatever
yeah thats what i thought STAN FACTA NON VERBA THE ALPS SUCKED BTW |
Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2006.03.02 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: ****take
Originally by: Kcel Chim In the end you have to accept the humble pie and the new situation, despite your best forum warfare attempts and excuses generated by your friends in nbsi the facts offer a clear and undisputed image.
Where was 5's humble pie when RA basically forced them back to empire? Excuses like "we're bored with POS wars, we're gonna roam". But then just a few months later you move right back out to 0.0 space and engage in those very same POS wars you said you disliked so much, except this time against a weaker opponent so you could come out the winner. Eat humble pie? You must be kidding.
as nice as i am i always respect someone who is interested in a discussion with a reply (unless its an alt).
So ill also reply to your post, eventho others already did.
The main difference between leaving a region on your own terms and clearly stating that and fading out without a post is obvious, even to those who will spit venom at every possible chance, be it true or not.
We left the south due to well stated reasons and due to reasons which maybe led or atleast influenced the following gamechanges with regards to sov claiming. The devs admitted that the system was broken and "abuseable" which put the whole purpose of it, the fight for space in a funny light.
Since i cant find any crossreference and dozends of kills i will excuse your missconception of "pos wars" and "the pos war in the north" to the fact that u might have not much experience with it. No shame involved in that dude but maybe do some research before u raise those accusations again.
Last but not least, dont forget YOU (as in nbsi and PA) declared war on us and provoced this reaction, so dont cry salty tears about losing regions or our capital ships taking down your posses. Thats what you ordered, we served it hot and now its time to pay the bill, dear friends. users.tpg.com.au/mccormic/Kcel-Chim.png[/img]
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Josiah Bartlet
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Posted - 2006.03.02 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 02/03/2006 07:25:24
Originally by: Lag Fest i know PA r supposed to be my enemies but it's actually kinda sad seeing everyone they used to call "freinds" backstabbing them like that. I actually thought more of Iron/G/RAZOR.
Well i guess there isn't much more to say than GL PA. Hope u make it without too many losses.
Actually we didnt backstab PA, we abandoned them a longer time ago (OF post on that topic was done), cause they abandoned us even longer before.
I agree with that. Iron and pa have never really gotten along. They just put put on a happy face for the public. This was a long time comming.
Lets face it, having PA for an ally is like having a blowup doll for a ****-buddy. --- SigPl/HQ&Log Coy/MNB(C)/KFOR |
pacifica
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Josiah Bartlet
Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 02/03/2006 07:25:24
Originally by: Lag Fest i know PA r supposed to be my enemies but it's actually kinda sad seeing everyone they used to call "freinds" backstabbing them like that. I actually thought more of Iron/G/RAZOR.
Well i guess there isn't much more to say than GL PA. Hope u make it without too many losses.
Actually we didnt backstab PA, we abandoned them a longer time ago (OF post on that topic was done), cause they abandoned us even longer before.
I agree with that. Iron and pa have never really gotten along. They just put put on a happy face for the public. This was a long time comming.
Lets face it, having PA for an ally is like having a blowup doll for a ****-buddy.
1 thing i respect from PA is this we don t say bad smack like ATUK ppl.
Maybe PA is damage pretty bad ATM but as u see i don t switch side like ATUK ppl say. I stand and fight.
Josiah Bartlet if u can t be civil then don t post and i will take a look in your employement history.
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Zagum Darkfin
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: pacifica
1 thing i respect from PA is this we don t say bad smack like ATUK ppl.
Maybe PA is damage pretty bad ATM but as u see i don t switch side like ATUK ppl say. I stand and fight.
Josiah Bartlet if u can t be civil then don t post and i will take a look in your employement history.
Here's a hint why don't you take what little respect and honor you have left in the eyes of the eve universe and admit defeat?? If you do, then we don't have to sit here and wave a HUGE FREAKING SIGN and smake you with it in order to make you understand. Come on, step up to the plate.
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: Darcuese on 02/03/2006 21:06:32 Edited by: Darcuese on 02/03/2006 21:03:03
Originally by: ****take
Where was 5's humble pie when RA basically forced them back to empire? Excuses like "we're bored with POS wars, we're gonna roam". But then just a few months later you move right back out to 0.0 space and engage in those very same POS wars you said you disliked so much, except this time against a weaker opponent so you could come out the winner. Eat humble pie? You must be kidding.
Originally by: ****take whatever
Im amazed how some ppl cant learn from their own mistakes. Havent you noticed your big mouth put you in position you are currently ???
The smell from your mouth could be felt on the other side of galaxy, and there will be no space for you to hide if you dont brash your teeth every now and then...
PS: I wish CCP introduce us on the next patch brain moduls
Ah yes...Try to be humble next time. Seem to me that first dread taken down in EVE by NBSI made their nose a bit to high in the air. Im glad it got kicked back where it belong...in somebody ass
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TURBOman
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: pacifica
1 thing i respect from PA is this we don t say bad smack like ATUK ppl.
Maybe PA is damage pretty bad ATM but as u see i don t switch side like ATUK ppl say. I stand and fight.
Josiah Bartlet if u can t be civil then don t post and i will take a look in your employement history.
Where exactley to you fight? Please tell us so we can come and have some fun
Linkage Your sig is too large, please reduce it's size and have the ladies in it give me a call - Ductoris |
pacifica
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: TURBOman
Originally by: pacifica
1 thing i respect from PA is this we don t say bad smack like ATUK ppl.
Maybe PA is damage pretty bad ATM but as u see i don t switch side like ATUK ppl say. I stand and fight.
Josiah Bartlet if u can t be civil then don t post and i will take a look in your employement history.
Where exactley to you fight? Please tell us so we can come and have some fun
Poor Turbo open your eyes and look your lost board u will see me somewhere. ATM i have 1 point u didn t catch me with your UBER frigate GANK SQUAD ask Black Omega they did try didn t work.......
And Turbo i don t talk a lot on forum i fight most of my time
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:53:00 -
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If anyone says that [5] didn't win the fight against RA, at least militarly then they need a slap upside the head. RA were more or less an non enitiy, and the only thing that saved them was a very abusable system in the forum of POS attacks.
Comparing this invasion to that of the Red allience is simply dumb. You can't say you've been in a POS war, untill you wake up in the morning and see 100 unread mails from concord, all small POS's. Put there by a force who's only means of fighting back, is an alt logged off untill the last possible second before down time.
RA were spanked, and spanked hard. Though is pretty hard to defeat an enemy who will not fight you, on any terms, and who's forces remain logged off for 22 hours of the 23 hour game day. I would suggest that anyone who wishes to smack [5] for leaving the south, try getting 100 hungry for action PVP pilots to shoot down small POS's for hours on end, day after day for mounths. If you can do that, and not become so board with eve that you'd rather not play a game of chess even though you have no idea what the 'horse' piece is called, then you can smack [5] all you want.
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Posted - 2006.03.03 05:43:00 -
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Originally by: Darcuese
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 02/03/2006 07:25:24
Originally by: Lag Fest i know PA r supposed to be my enemies but it's actually kinda sad seeing everyone they used to call "freinds" backstabbing them like that. I actually thought more of Iron/G/RAZOR.
Well i guess there isn't much more to say than GL PA. Hope u make it without too many losses.
Actually we didnt backstab PA, we abandoned them a longer time ago (OF post on that topic was done), cause they abandoned us even longer before.
Yes...I remember those JF thread books time...and 4-5 months ago it was that you changed standings with PA and some others....or something like that
ORLY but your just a nub forum whoring,trying to make a name for himself.
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Svett
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Posted - 2006.03.03 08:25:00 -
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instead of reading all the pages...
so, is PA dead?
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PedroFTW
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:27:00 -
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Uhm.......depends:)
ATUK say yes, some say no, some ppl don't really care.
We will say nothing. Forum uberness advertising is not my ( or PA's ) style.
Think whatever you want.
End of discussion.
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hired goon
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Posted - 2006.03.03 12:00:00 -
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I for one look forward to the day PA rises again, just like the name! All the old members could go around like "We're putting the alliance back together" like Blues Brothers.
And then they could call themselves PHOENIX -ALLAINCE and get 2.5k members before setling down to about 1.25k and becoming a power again and taking their old home back.
Good times. I should make a film! -omg-
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.03.03 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: PedroFTW
We will say nothing. Forum uberness advertising is not my ( or PA's ) style.
You might wanna let pacifica know that
Rather than asking if PA is dead.. maybe we should just ask for "proof of life"
--thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2006.03.04 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Svett instead of reading all the pages...
so, is PA dead?
If 5 runs Venal then its a matter of time 'til you get a yes,the ONLY reason PA has lived this long through all of its incarnations is due to the fact they could fall back to Venal and play station games,same goes for FA,you remove an alliances ability to use NPC stations as a bastion then the rest is pretty much clean up work,in that respect its very similar to POS wars. The major similarity is both will drive the attacker insane with boredom by the end of the campigne no matter what the out come.
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"Quick, bring me a beaker of wine,that I may wet my mind and say something clever." ~Aristophane
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Mirabela
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Posted - 2006.03.04 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth Though is pretty hard to defeat an enemy who will not fight you, on any terms, and who's forces remain logged off for 22 hours of the 23 hour game day. I would suggest that anyone who wishes to smack [5] for leaving the south, try getting null100 hungry for action PVP pilots to shoot down small POS's for hours on end, day after day for mounths. If you can do that, and not become so board with eve that you'd rather not play a game of chess even though you have no idea what the 'horse' piece is called, then you can smack [5] all you want.
Remove WCS from game and then you might call [5] (bloody hell i have to put F-E here too) some kind of PVP. Nobody LIKES to fight an enemy on there terms, but those who are above that are those who will be remeambered. If you want to be remeabmered beat [5] (could be more like them , don't know so i don't mention them) when they are fighting 5.1 odds, wcs ships, spies in alliances.But then who will ever LIKE to fight that?
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2006.03.04 01:18:00 -
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we have some very close neighbours who provide us with welcome relief STAN FACTA NON VERBA THE ALPS SUCKED BTW |
Kizum Milidii
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Posted - 2006.03.04 01:20:00 -
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Edited by: Kizum Milidii on 04/03/2006 01:20:31
Originally by: Mirabela
Originally by: Lorth Though is pretty hard to defeat an enemy who will not fight you, on any terms, and who's forces remain logged off for 22 hours of the 23 hour game day. I would suggest that anyone who wishes to smack [5] for leaving the south, try getting null100 hungry for action PVP pilots to shoot down small POS's for hours on end, day after day for mounths. If you can do that, and not become so board with eve that you'd rather not play a game of chess even though you have no idea what the 'horse' piece is called, then you can smack [5] all you want.
Remove WCS from game and then you might call [5] (bloody hell i have to put F-E here too) some kind of PVP. Nobody LIKES to fight an enemy on there terms, but those who are above that are those who will be remeambered. If you want to be remeabmered beat [5] (could be more like them , don't know so i don't mention them) when they are fighting 5.1 odds, wcs ships, spies in alliances.But then who will ever LIKE to fight that?
also dude dont hide behind alts it blows man.
and people know we can pvp and drop this crap about warp stabs if we wore as many stabs as you say we do how do we do the dmg we do.
stfu get a clue
ffs this is stizum again playing around with new blood libne and stupid names
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.03.04 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 02/03/2006 21:06:32 Edited by: Darcuese on 02/03/2006 21:03:03
Originally by: ****take
Where was 5's humble pie when RA basically forced them back to empire? Excuses like "we're bored with POS wars, we're gonna roam". But then just a few months later you move right back out to 0.0 space and engage in those very same POS wars you said you disliked so much, except this time against a weaker opponent so you could come out the winner. Eat humble pie? You must be kidding.
Originally by: ****take whatever
Im amazed how some ppl cant learn from their own mistakes. Havent you noticed your big mouth put you in position you are currently ???
The smell from your mouth could be felt on the other side of galaxy, and there will be no space for you to hide if you dont brash your teeth every now and then...
PS: I wish CCP introduce us on the next patch brain moduls
Ah yes...Try to be humble next time. Seem to me that first dread taken down in EVE by NBSI made their nose a bit to high in the air. Im glad it got kicked back where it belong...in somebody ass
If I remember correctly neiter I nor my corp were in NBSI when the first Dread was killed, so I am not sure exactly what you are talking about.
What's this drivel about bad breath? Are you sure that's comming from somebody else's mouth?
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.03.04 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Mirabela
Remove WCS from game and then you might call [5] (bloody hell i have to put F-E here too) some kind of PVP. Nobody LIKES to fight an enemy on there terms, but those who are above that are those who will be remeambered. If you want to be remeabmered beat [5] (could be more like them , don't know so i don't mention them) when they are fighting 5.1 odds, wcs ships, spies in alliances.But then who will ever LIKE to fight that?
I was in [5] from the moment it was fourmed, untill about a mounth ago. And as of right now, I am currently fighting them, or as the case may be, the serveres and 'stuck' issues.
And post with a main, people might actually look at what your saying (if it written I little more intellagently) and reply in a civil manner. As of right now, your nothing but a flaming alt, so scared and pathetic, that you have to hide the identity of a virtual charactor. How sad is that?
Do you ever wonder if the people who us alt to flame others are much like the guy from office space, who mumbles somthing about setting the building on fire everytime someone says something he doesn't like because he's to scared to speak up. Flaming with an alt, is like making a prank call from your cell phone to your own house.
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2006.03.04 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Josiah Bartlet
How does someone who reads and posts on the forums as much as you remain so utterly clueless. We smashed RA's military to pieces. They were left with a lame tactics of spamming small control towers before downtime. Did you happen to notice that CCP changed soventry? GEE I WONDER WHY
5 smashing RA + RAT forces to pieces
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ZedLey
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Posted - 2006.03.04 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Josiah Bartlet
How does someone who reads and posts on the forums as much as you remain so utterly clueless. We smashed RA's military to pieces. They were left with a lame tactics of spamming small control towers before downtime. Did you happen to notice that CCP changed soventry? GEE I WONDER WHY
5 smashing RA + RAT forces to pieces
I hate liars. You were dying like a little kitten. Stop lying.
O'rly
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2006.03.04 11:42:00 -
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thug since when have rat been ra i thought you were a seoperate entity cos im sure the person refuring to us smashing RA military was only talking about RA and not RAT
unless ofc you are now saying we were right all along to place you in the same box? STAN FACTA NON VERBA THE ALPS SUCKED BTW |
Evil Thug
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Posted - 2006.03.04 11:46:00 -
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Hm. May be you are right, since i has got used, that every single member of 5 talking : "RAT = RA".
I just can`t understand, why people like Josiah Bartlet come to forums, and screaming : "omg we uber", when they forget to allign theyr ship to safespot during fleetfight, and dying, while not being scrambled ? ----------------------------------------------- Logged in a system, next to you =) |
StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2006.03.04 12:16:00 -
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you could have a point there thug but lets get back to the question at hand about the end of pa
we can have a rematch after k STAN FACTA NON VERBA THE ALPS SUCKED BTW |
Vince Draken
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Posted - 2006.03.04 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug Hm. May be you are right, since i has got used, that every single member of 5 talking : "RAT = RA".
I just can`t understand, why people like Josiah Bartlet come to forums, and screaming : "omg we uber", when they forget to allign theyr ship to safespot during fleetfight, and dying, while not being scrambled ?
I dunno, but I bought Josiah about two weeks ago.
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2006.03.04 18:46:00 -
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Then post with your main, you n00b ----------------------------------------------- Logged in a system, next to you =) |
Faith Rose
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Posted - 2006.03.04 20:37:00 -
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Oh dear......
Maybe i should say : Please come out and fight, Please....
Maybe not pa has a long history of backstabing their own people so no-wonder they can't find replacements for thier loss of manpower. ------------- Death Is Contagous |
Shelta
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug Hm. May be you are right, since i has got used, that every single member of 5 talking : "RAT = RA".
I just can`t understand, why people like Josiah Bartlet come to forums, and screaming : "omg we uber", when they forget to allign theyr ship to safespot during fleetfight, and dying, while not being scrambled ?
I posted in regards to [5] killing RA, and yes I'll include RAt in there as well. While I don't know who killed more, RAT or [5] when they were fighting eachouther. I stand by [5] beating RA, even if you include RAT in there, though they are certainly the best performing element of a lossing side.
Lorth's ALT.
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anister
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:40:00 -
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Edited by: anister on 04/03/2006 23:40:46
Originally by: Shelta
Originally by: Evil Thug Hm. May be you are right, since i has got used, that every single member of 5 talking : "RAT = RA".
I just can`t understand, why people like Josiah Bartlet come to forums, and screaming : "omg we uber", when they forget to allign theyr ship to safespot during fleetfight, and dying, while not being scrambled ?
I posted in regards to [5] killing RA, and yes I'll include RAt in there as well. While I don't know who killed more, RAT or [5] when they were fighting eachouther. I stand by [5] beating RA, even if you include RAT in there, though they are certainly the best performing element of a lossing side.
Lorth's ALT.
It's hard to talk about the RA "war" in terms of who won or lost.
For ships killed/loss, we won it, no doubt.
For the ability to constantly spam POS's straight before DT, well, RA won that one...
We killed the ships but RA held the systems.
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:19:00 -
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Being dead...hmmmm
Some ppl die even though they still live. And i mean that in real life.
PA are like those ppl working from hour to hour , coming home, eat some s h i t, watch TV and go to bad. Every now and then they are invited to some party where they cant speak with other ppl and especialy girls cause they are afradi to take a risk of aproach.
Ok, their heart doing TICK TACK...but do they really live?...Nah...they just following same procedure eversy day waithing for something that themself dont know what they waiting. And some ppl will aproach them every now and then too....but soon those will realise they aproached to living zombies.
This is PA in my Eyes...someone that have identity card and that is it....on next corner they will be hit in a head and they will trully die....no single man will remember them or cry....just of shallow memories of a neighbour you use to passing by
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WETRAIN
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:25:00 -
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funny as long as you are in venal/tenal/branch .... your gonna claim every single one of them i promise you you`ll have a hard time living ... npc`ing... we`ll go down with you ... too bad i cant play much theese days ... like i always say ... time will tell. - I am the Voice - I am the Eyes -
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Naphtalia
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:28:00 -
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If WETRAIN says so it must be true... well depending on the price of JD
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Vince Draken
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Posted - 2006.03.05 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Naphtalia If WETRAIN says so it must be true... well depending on the price of JD
Btw ET, I don't even know if I got a main anymore.
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The Clash
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Posted - 2006.03.05 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Faith Rose Oh dear......
Maybe i should say : Please come out and fight, Please....
Maybe not pa has a long history of backstabing their own people so no-wonder they can't find replacements for thier loss of manpower.
Oh they surely did with GNW "1" . At least it seems soem of teh council or whatever its called _________________
You can suck my battleship.
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2006.03.05 01:34:00 -
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wetrain i mined in bkg ive npcd around bkg and around k-8. ive had some fun fights with our locals iron and g and ive started making ammo and ships in d4r
pretty much moved in already its like po4 all over again.
and wetrain how lonely is it in pa alliance chat this time of day STAN FACTA NON VERBA THE ALPS SUCKED BTW |
The Clash
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Posted - 2006.03.05 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: StiZum Hilidii wetrain i mined in bkg ive npcd around bkg and around k-8. ive had some fun fights with our locals iron and g and ive started making ammo and ships in d4r
pretty much moved in already its like po4 all over again.
and wetrain how lonely is it in pa alliance chat this time of day
d4r used to suck , better off using factory slots in v7-mid as they used to have good npc's and some nice belts surrounding the area _________________
You can suck my battleship.
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Esurnir
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Posted - 2006.03.05 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Esurnir on 05/03/2006 11:53:08 imho. I think everyone shoot stop posting in this thread. Everyone is actually taking things to emotionaly. Well you pawned a station or two ? And so what, you are at war, so it could happen everytime. A station is just an asset like another one. Just a painfull loss. You can live on hidden pos for the time being. Expensive but effective temporary solution. Act more proffessionaly godmn it ! .5 Cheering on forums. It's their constitutional right to write whatever they want when it's in the rules. If you get things emotionaly, you say you lost your station, omfg we are pawned, we gonna die, or you choose the "We will pawn them once again, I'm idiot enough to give them a good laugh posting that on a real flamebait. But we'll post that". Basicly stay silent, retake your assets, after that sign some cease fier to reconsolidate if needed. Then your done.
To sum up, be professional don't feed the troll. -------------------------- On the 8th day. Over created the mods. To have a good laugh. |
Naphtalia
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Posted - 2006.03.05 11:58:00 -
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And Zitek thinks this because?
Because you:
1) Posted a CTA when SA started attacking SE 2) Noone of Zitek showed up for the fight against SA 3) So you joined SA to continue mining and safe your posses 4) And you left SA when SA declared on FE/NBSI/PA to avoid empire wars 5) and noone wants you in an alliance anymore?
So what are you doing on this section of the forums again? you might as well be posting from a noob corp? How many people in corpchat now?
Don't make me quote your corpmails, Zitek sucked.. you made it hard for me to keep an alt in the alliances that we had a war with because as soon as the war starts the corp (and my alt) left the alliance :(
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Esurnir
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Posted - 2006.03.05 12:45:00 -
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Edited by: Esurnir on 05/03/2006 12:49:44 Edited by: Esurnir on 05/03/2006 12:48:57 imho : in MY honest opinion. Means that nothing here come the official zitek policy
1st I refuse that my post become your cynosure of your flames.
2nd If you could post who was your alt in zitek please :). I don't like anonymous flame
3rd I joined Zitek in the middle of SA era, and had no part of it. My personal policy about alliance is that no one should be on mute and that you can convo and get inteligent conversation with the leader, getting opinion of every leader is good to forge is own.
4th The last merc who wardeced us loosed more than 150 mil worth of equipment while our main losses where kestrel.
5th Zitek changed since we quit every alliance, came back to the stage of producing corp with the navy guarding the POS stations. We got big plan for the future and the corps chat is about 10 people online and chatting.
P.S. What a cta means P.S.2 If you want to reply, convo me in game P.S.3 I have a constitutional right to write somethings dumb and crazy -------------------------- On the 8th day. Over created the mods. To have a good laugh. |
Evil Thug
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Posted - 2006.03.05 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Vince Draken
Originally by: Naphtalia If WETRAIN says so it must be true... well depending on the price of JD
Btw ET, I don't even know if I got a main anymore.
So true, especially when you have lots of highskilled chars. Last time i logged with Thug about 2 weeks ago ----------------------------------------------- Logged in a system, next to you =) |
Naphtalia
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Posted - 2006.03.05 13:14:00 -
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2nd If you could post who was your alt in zitek please :). I don't like anonymous flame
Nah :)
3rd I joined Zitek in the middle of SA era
well you can't be blamed coz of the SE/SA switching.. but still wardodging is bad :)
5th Zitek changed since we quit every alliance, came back to the stage of producing corp with the navy guarding the POS stations. We got big plan for the future and the corps chat is about 10 people online and chatting.
Maybe I will keep my alt in there a bit more for when things become interesting :)
P.S. What a cta means
Call to Arms, basically a leader writing a corpmail: Every get in fighting ships and show up there now!! this is of extreme importance!!! after which nothing happens
P.S.2 If you want to reply, convo me in game
eve-mail/convo is boring.. lets hang it out in the open and get this thread *clicked*
P.S.3 I have a constitutional right to write somethings dumb and crazy
gg
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Mirabela
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Posted - 2006.03.05 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Mirabela
Remove WCS from game and then you might call [5] (bloody hell i have to put F-E here too) some kind of PVP. Nobody LIKES to fight an enemy on there terms, but those who are above that are those who will be remeambered. If you want to be remeabmered beat [5] (could be more like them , don't know so i don't mention them) when they are fighting 5.1 odds, wcs ships, spies in alliances.But then who will ever LIKE to fight that?
I was in [5] from the moment it was fourmed, untill about a mounth ago. And as of right now, I am currently fighting them, or as the case may be, the serveres and 'stuck' issues.
And post with a main, people might actually look at what your saying (if it written I little more intellagently) and reply in a civil manner. As of right now, your nothing but a flaming alt, so scared and pathetic, that you have to hide the identity of a virtual charactor. How sad is that?
Do you ever wonder if the people who us alt to flame others are much like the guy from office space, who mumbles somthing about setting the building on fire everytime someone says something he doesn't like because he's to scared to speak up. Flaming with an alt, is like making a prank call from your cell phone to your own house.
But the mumbling guy did set the buiding on fire .Can't post with my main...i'm not allowed by my mommy.
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Ashdrake
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Posted - 2006.03.06 18:28:00 -
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are they dead yet? oh and can u please take nbsi to with you, i want to npc in peace and i cant coz you guys keep appearing out of knowwhere i am staying docked :P
please die already, please ;)
ktnxdie
((new to flamebait/forum-smack, (barely level 1 in both)
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.03.07 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Wimbishi plants the Phoenix Alliance banner dead
I couldnt agree more
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2006.03.07 12:26:00 -
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Edited by: Kcel Chim on 07/03/2006 12:28:30 @Lord wimb ive read more posts of you on the pa forums. they are generally long, attempting to boost moral and in a nifty RP fashion.
Maybe if you and others of your alliance spend as much time killing your enemies you could save yourself the whole forum mambo jambo and moral posts and achieve something.
Defending bkg defiantly would have been a first step, you refused to take it. Now only the vain hopes for a mystical rebirth and many lengthy pompous meaningless posts are left.
Live the dream while we live in your space.
*edit* persh strikes another time...
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2006.03.07 12:46:00 -
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Lord Wimbishi
^ i want some of what hes smoking STAN FACTA NON VERBA THE ALPS SUCKED BTW |
Lord Wimbishi
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Posted - 2006.03.07 12:54:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Wimbishi on 07/03/2006 12:56:52 (had to continue from the first posting due to the length issues)
I do salute all of my enemies, friends, brothers whom I can recognize and those I do not know yet for we will see each other another time and in another place in this world and see the past and recognition in each others eyes as being here this time and place.
I am voice of my alliance and will die with it if it is destined by the hand of the almighty to die and crumble to nothing. I swore this vow long ago and as a soldier, with nothing else to live for, such simple words are the only thing that keeps me alive in a time and place few of you will ever see.
I am confident one day we will know peace again and I wish, I so wish we all can see each other in those times, respected and honored enemies or friends alike in this forsaken time that is upon us now. Indeed we will see each other time and time again, to take war upon each other for pointless reasons for merits that are no different then the values children hold onto.
I wish you all well and to travel in thought as we war upon each other in the times to come and hope someday we can see the folly in all of this and cease our acts of immaturity on and off the field of battle.
~Wimbishi salutes, takes up his banner and calmly walks out of the room~
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Garia666
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Posted - 2006.03.07 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Wimbishi Edited by: Lord Wimbishi on 07/03/2006 12:56:52 (had to continue from the first posting due to the length issues)
I do salute all of my enemies, friends, brothers whom I can recognize and those I do not know yet for we will see each other another time and in another place in this world and see the past and recognition in each others eyes as being here this time and place.
I am voice of my alliance and will die with it if it is destined by the hand of the almighty to die and crumble to nothing. I swore this vow long ago and as a soldier, with nothing else to live for, such simple words are the only thing that keeps me alive in a time and place few of you will ever see.
I am confident one day we will know peace again and I wish, I so wish we all can see each other in those times, respected and honored enemies or friends alike in this forsaken time that is upon us now. Indeed we will see each other time and time again, to take war upon each other for pointless reasons for merits that are no different then the values children hold onto.
I wish you all well and to travel in thought as we war upon each other in the times to come and hope someday we can see the folly in all of this and cease our acts of immaturity on and off the field of battle.
~Wimbishi salutes, takes up his banner and calmly walks out of the room~
honour and respect fellow soldier. May you go with the wind, with face up high.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.03.07 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: pershphanie on 07/03/2006 13:20:29
Originally by: Lord Wimbishi I am voice of my alliance and will die
Also agreed.
edit - just duing my duty as an eve citizens cutting to the key points so they dont have to read all of that.
Please resize your signature graphic to be less than 24,000 bytes in filesize - Jacques |
thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.03.07 13:21:00 -
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Kind sir, while your approach maybe be admirable and honest, the past cannot be ignored when considering the furture. Elaborate rhetoric alone will not masked the waywardness of your brothers in arms, that has become apparent to all that have reguarded your alliance of late. Your own heart maybe true to the values you state, but unfortunately the vigor to defend your name has been too sporadic. You operatives lack unity in their actions, appearing more like rouge scondels, than disciplined warriors.
Their actions continue to sully this historic name. While you show great respect for the name you fly under, you show none for the past pilots that built it's reputation. So the question remains, what is more important to you, the name or the people that make the name?
To cling to past reputation in times of defeat, shows you still fear you no longer have the ability to build a dynasty. This has been proved by recent events, having tried to rebuild your alliance after it's last great war, only to see it crumble without a fight when the next hardship arose. Crumble without even trying to fight.
I understand your wish to honour the name of your alliance, i do the same for all my previous groups, but i honour them by letting history remember them in their greatness, honoured by friends and foe for the contributions they made.
So i place this challenge on you, if you believe your group is worthy of the name it claims, prove it, build a group without using a name built by pilots long since gone and let their souls rest in peace.
--thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
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The End
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Posted - 2006.03.07 13:25:00 -
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RIP PA/NBSI
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Ashdrake
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Posted - 2006.03.07 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: The End RIP PA/NBSI
seconded ps btw its
Rest in Pieces :D
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Itto'Ryu
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Posted - 2006.03.07 22:48:00 -
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Edited by: Itto''Ryu on 07/03/2006 22:50:21 Meaningless thread, when will it end?
ps i do wish pa's death, please go out and shoot them instead leting them live a pipe dream
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Itto'Ryu
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Posted - 2006.03.07 22:48:00 -
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Edited by: Itto''Ryu on 07/03/2006 22:50:55
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Paul Castrin
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Posted - 2006.03.07 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie Edited by: pershphanie on 07/03/2006 13:20:29
Originally by: Lord Wimbishi I am voice of my alliance and will die
Also agreed.
edit - just duing my duty as an eve citizens cutting to the key points so they dont have to read all of that.
Personally I thought it was a good read .. the full text that is.
It may be smoke and oakum but if even part of it was sincere he has my respect.
A man respecting his enemies and dying for what he believes in is an honorable thing.
Peace.
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2006.03.08 00:01:00 -
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/me starts handing out social welfare checks -
You got pwnd by us too :P - Wrangler lol - Imaran |
Creyster
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Posted - 2006.03.08 00:06:00 -
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KLADDKAKA ------------ Once Masken allways Masken!!
KLADDKAKA (C) KingAC |
Naal Morno
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Posted - 2006.03.08 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig I am sure Paintball and his friends spending more time south ganking people in their hacs than defending their home or help f-e fight (back when f-e was still against 5) didnt help either...
Painball joined .5. as of late, so one might say he is a traitor or he was working on PA reputation demise all along in southern regions of EVE. Whichever you chose, you should consider ..5 as being the root and cause for all should be hated universally (include their backers F-E if you wish).
Way to go mr Traitor.
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2006.03.08 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: Naal Morno
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig I am sure Paintball and his friends spending more time south ganking people in their hacs than defending their home or help f-e fight (back when f-e was still against 5) didnt help either...
Painball joined .5. as of late, so one might say he is a traitor or he was working on PA reputation demise all along in southern regions of EVE. Whichever you chose, you should consider ..5 as being the root and cause for all should be hated universally (include their backers F-E if you wish).
Way to go mr Traitor.
Or perhaps he was just bored with PA's "lets bore them to death" campaign and decided to join a group who actually do sumin.
Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
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Josiah Bartlet
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Posted - 2006.03.08 04:40:00 -
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Originally by: Naal Morno
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig I am sure Paintball and his friends spending more time south ganking people in their hacs than defending their home or help f-e fight (back when f-e was still against 5) didnt help either...
Painball joined .5. as of late, so one might say he is a traitor or he was working on PA reputation demise all along in southern regions of EVE. Whichever you chose, you should consider ..5 as being the root and cause for all should be hated universally (include their backers F-E if you wish).
Way to go mr Traitor.
Funny, I don't think I have EVEN seen you do anything but be a carebear industrialst sitting in Empire. In fact, your corporation was involved in a total of 15 kills on your PA tracker. It is corporations liek yours that don't belong in 0.0 alliances because you're nothing but soft targets. In fact, most of PA is just like you and your corp. No wonder its where it is today. --- SigPl/HQ&Log Coy/MNB(C)/KFOR |
pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.03.08 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: Naal Morno
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig I am sure Paintball and his friends spending more time south ganking people in their hacs than defending their home or help f-e fight (back when f-e was still against 5) didnt help either...
Painball joined .5. as of late, so one might say he is a traitor or he was working on PA reputation demise all along in southern regions of EVE. Whichever you chose, you should consider ..5 as being the root and cause for all should be hated universally (include their backers F-E if you wish).
Way to go mr Traitor.
wooohoooo. painball 4tw. welcome to the darkside.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2006.03.08 05:11:00 -
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If I was one of those PA people from GNW who fought their hearts out for "Hamburger Hill" I'd be insulted by bunch of nublars calling themselves "PA". What do you guys know about PA anyway, give it a rest. It's like me and 3 mates of mine starting a band and calling ourselves "The Beatles". What would Sir Paul say
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2006.03.08 05:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sextus Licinius
To be compleetly straight with you i'm still amazed how PA managed to live that long in 0.0
Let me explain then. In this game, called eve-online, you cannot take over NPC stations. Pick any region in eve universe with npc station, and I can travel there, dock, and smack local from station, and claim that "they can't finish me off". Occasionally I will undock, if its camped, dock again. If its not, I will warp to one of my safespots and yell in local "haha nubs", then instadock to station again. Rinse and repeat.
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2006.03.08 05:45:00 -
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Well, great fights to 5, you managed to find cannon fodder to help boost numbers in FE and KAOS. Well planned, well executed.
And anyone that thinks losing space means death to an alliance, 5 proved that wrong.
Persh, FE/KAOS have no room to talk. Without 5 backing you your alliances would be homeless right now.
Respect to 5. You've continually supported your allies, well done.
See you all in space, remember, even without stations we can kill you.
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2006.03.08 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: Mortuus Well, great fights to 5, you managed to find cannon fodder to help boost numbers in FE and KAOS. Well planned, well executed.
And anyone that thinks losing space means death to an alliance, 5 proved that wrong.
Persh, FE/KAOS have no room to talk. Without 5 backing you your alliances would be homeless right now.
Respect to 5. You've continually supported your allies, well done.
See you all in space, remember, even without stations we can kill you.
Yes Respect to .5. for supporting their allies....same can't be said for you.
And plaese dont compare yourself to .5.. They are good....you are not.
Bubye NBSI. Atleast die with a little dignity.
Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2006.03.08 05:59:00 -
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Darken, maybe you should talk less, try fighting more?
We both know your alliance is nothing as a PvP force, same as KAOS. Its the people helping you that make the difference. Occassus Republica, NBSI |
pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.03.08 06:07:00 -
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Originally by: Mortuus
We both know your alliance is nothing as a PvP force, same as KAOS. Its the people helping you that make the difference.
Than come kill us instead of smacking from empire nub.
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The End
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Posted - 2006.03.08 06:09:00 -
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Originally by: Mortuus Darken, maybe you should talk less, try fighting more?
We both know your alliance is nothing as a PvP force, same as KAOS. Its the people helping you that make the difference.
ROFL!!! so says a pa/nbsi member you guys have not proven yourself to be a "pvp force" and by the looks of it you will never get a chance.
RIP Pa/Nbsi
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2006.03.08 06:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mortuus Darken, maybe you should talk less, try fighting more?
We both know your alliance is nothing as a PvP force, same as KAOS. Its the people helping you that make the difference.
Oh yea we are not a PvP force. Thats why we are dead......oh wait thats you. So hows empire lookin nowadays?
Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
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Tsun Lau
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Posted - 2006.03.08 10:48:00 -
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WOW!
I've been away from the game for a while and wow PA gone! But 5 is friendly with FE?
Will 5 remember how FE demanded that they disbanded because they were going to destroy them, and take over FE space as well? After all from what I remember PA, FE and NBSI all decleared that they were going to destroy 5.
Seams like a shame to let people get away with that kind of talk if you ask me
Evil and honor is only a matter of perception
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Guma
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Posted - 2006.03.08 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Originally by: SinBin Dim Alts.
To be fair, PA has been around a very long time being dead & always lived in BKG, I think thats pritty impressive wile half the other allaince have been push & poked all round eve, they truely deserve there name.
Top Job PA keep it up.
5/F-E/KAOS I think are about to be a little busy to have time for PA attacking & half the other you metions are nothing up here.
FYI, PA has not always been in BKG, or Venal for that matter. There were more than several months where the Phoenix Alliance could be called the Nonni Alliance. Not to add to the flaming, but PA as an alliance has failed in defending pretty much every invasion since it was founded. The only reason it hasn't lost Branch is because 5 haven't attacked it.
I don't know what purpose there is in trying to own Venal, but I'm sure if they wanted to get themselves into POS wars they would of focused on RA.
It's not right to say, PA as an alliance has failed defending pretty much every invasion. Ask the R.I.S.K, it was a very hard war and a well planned invasion. Most Respect to all of them but at least PA won!
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Naphtalia
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Posted - 2006.03.08 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Mortuus Its the people helping you that make the difference
I absolutely agree, EvE is a team game, it is the people helping you that make the difference... the people in your corp, in your alliance and the members of your allies.
Make the difference between success and failure. Make the difference between fun and boredom. Make the difference between starting up the EvE client and starting a new game.
For that one I have to say I am truly blessed. I love the people from my corp that help me, MLM 4TW!. I love the people in F-E helping me, F-E 4TW! and as of late, for once, I love my allies! FIVE and KAOS 4TW!
You Sir, have hit the nail on the head.
So say we all....
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.03.08 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Guma
It's not right to say, PA as an alliance has failed defending pretty much every invasion. Ask the R.I.S.K, it was a very hard war and a well planned invasion. Most Respect to all of them but at least PA won!
RISK were pretty much a nice excuse for PA/NBSI not to do anything.. everyone knew they were merc corps with no long term goals in the area..
--thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
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Mephistos
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Posted - 2006.03.08 11:52:00 -
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Actually Thoth, there was some speculation of them trying to move into the area.
And at the time who appeared to be the bigger threat, the folks set up in h-pa sending out gank squads, or the people sending fleets to take stations and also sending out gank squads? Of course in retrospect those might not have been the best of actions, but hindsight is always 20/20 eh?
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Guma
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Posted - 2006.03.08 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: Guma
It's not right to say, PA as an alliance has failed defending pretty much every invasion. Ask the R.I.S.K, it was a very hard war and a well planned invasion. Most Respect to all of them but at least PA won!
RISK were pretty much a nice excuse for PA/NBSI not to do anything.. everyone knew they were merc corps with no long term goals in the area..
hmm...no long term goal, wait...look at the map
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.03.08 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: thoth foc on 08/03/2006 12:36:15
Originally by: Mephistos Actually Thoth, there was some speculation of them trying to move into the area.
And at the time who appeared to be the bigger threat, the folks set up in h-pa sending out gank squads, or the people sending fleets to take stations and also sending out gank squads? Of course in retrospect those might not have been the best of actions, but hindsight is always 20/20 eh?
well the speculation you heard was much different from what i had taken from reading the forums.. informed decisions ftw
--thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
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Mephistos
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Posted - 2006.03.08 12:49:00 -
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Thankfully I'm not the one making those decisions then :)
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Invisible Touch
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Posted - 2006.03.08 12:50:00 -
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Edited by: Invisible Touch on 08/03/2006 12:50:36
Originally by: thoth foc Edited by: thoth foc on 08/03/2006 12:36:15
Originally by: Mephistos Actually Thoth, there was some speculation of them trying to move into the area.
And at the time who appeared to be the bigger threat, the folks set up in h-pa sending out gank squads, or the people sending fleets to take stations and also sending out gank squads? Of course in retrospect those might not have been the best of actions, but hindsight is always 20/20 eh?
well the speculation you heard was much different from what i had taken from reading the forums.. informed decisions ftw
Not trying to say RISK was any excuse b/c there was some time difference between the "main" events, but RISK had a detailed plan to capture Branch, and had made a huge isk investment for it. They employed merc corps also. As to why they failed in their plans, that's a story untold in the e-o forums.
But trust me they came to Branch to stay.
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Zzazzt
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Posted - 2006.03.08 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Invisible Touch
Not trying to say RISK was any excuse b/c there was some time difference between the "main" events, but RISK had a detailed plan to capture Branch, and had made a huge isk investment for it. They employed merc corps also. As to why they failed in their plans, that's a story untold in the e-o forums.
But trust me they came to Branch to stay.
I think you've a healthy grip on the wrong end of the stick there mate. ____________________________________________
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Shyalud
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Posted - 2006.03.08 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Zzazzt
I think you've a healthy grip on the wrong end of the stick there mate.
/me hugs Zzazzt. You make me laugh, man!
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Zzazzt
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Posted - 2006.03.08 13:41:00 -
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You should see me trying to rollerskate ____________________________________________
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Le Cardinal
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Posted - 2006.03.08 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Josiah Bartlet
Funny, I don't think I have EVEN seen you do anything but be a carebear industrialst sitting in Empire. In fact, your corporation was involved in a total of 15 kills on your PA tracker. It is corporations liek yours that don't belong in 0.0 alliances because you're nothing but soft targets. In fact, most of PA is just like you and your corp. No wonder its where it is today.
First of all:
joshua - After we (EverCorp, psychosis and Aegis inquisitor) created a new corp, we havent had killboard access, due to the fact that the admin of that board have been gone for a long time. If u wanna see our kills, then go to this page: www.ecp-rogues.co.uk/kill
Second:
I respect ATUK in some way. They are the kind of enemy you dont wanna meet, when it comes to fleetbattles. As single pilots they are no more a threat than any other pvp'er in this game. They are very coordinated and have very good fleet commanders (after what i have heard). They know their stuff in and out. Good Job. You have been around the block for awhile. This is the thing that PA have not had in a long time, especially after Anihilus left the stage. PA have mainly been running around in small gangs trying to score some kills. But your ruining your reputation as good fighters with all the smack you do on the forums.
Now for F-E:
You always claim we didnt support you in any way. I challenge everyone on this thread to look back on the H-PA kills when F-E/NBSI/PA was allied. Study it closely and you will see that PA killed more than F-E in there, and certanly lost more than F-E there.
When it comes to tribute PA had big problems helping you, because of the sole fact that we were licking our wounds from the continous attacks from ATUK (caus they are what i will call the core of .5.) and RISK at that time. We lost 2 stations to RISK, before RISK crumbled due to internal problems.
F-E finally napped .5. You can try to excuse that by blaming PA and NBSI as many times as you want. If that makes you feel better. Fact is and will always be that you crumbled under the pressure (like PA), but you napped .5. before they took D7 station. Smack it as much as you want F-E, but all of eve knows this as a fact, but most importantly, you know it. Maybe .5. will help you smack me on this, probably. But they know it too.
4S took a station from you in Vale. You took it back with the help from .5. dreads and BS's. 4S took it back and you NAP'ed them.
quote: Darcuese Arcane Technologies The Five Posted - 2006.03.05 00:19:00 - [256] - Quote --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Being dead...hmmmm
Some ppl die even though they still live. And i mean that in real life.
PA are like those ppl working from hour to hour , coming home, eat some s h i t, watch TV and go to bad. Every now and then they are invited to some party where they cant speak with other ppl and especialy girls cause they are afradi to take a risk of aproach."
And for you my bewildered little friend. Many PA members have wifes, kids and girlfriends (like ppl in other allinces, and cant sit on eve 24/7. Keep you lack of intelligence on another thread plz. That is the dumbest post i think i have ever read on eve-o.
Some will probably state that my is. Fact is and will be that .5. smacked PA real hard and did smack FE real hard too. The only difference is that FE was smart enough to NAP .5. or else they would have crumbled too.
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Posted - 2006.03.08 16:11:00 -
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Edited by: Arhienna on 08/03/2006 16:12:12
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Guma
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Posted - 2006.03.08 16:13:00 -
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Very good posting Le Cardinal!! Now be ready for teh flaming ;).
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Sverd
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Posted - 2006.03.08 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Le Cardinal
Originally by: Josiah Bartlet
Funny, I don't think I have EVEN seen you do anything but be a carebear industrialst sitting in Empire. In fact, your corporation was involved in a total of 15 kills on your PA tracker. It is corporations liek yours that don't belong in 0.0 alliances because you're nothing but soft targets. In fact, most of PA is just like you and your corp. No wonder its where it is today.
ECP-Rogues a soft target?.......Interesting observation, I'm almost amused
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Recluse Viramor
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Posted - 2006.03.08 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Le Cardinal
Originally by: Josiah Bartlet
Funny, I don't think I have EVEN seen you do anything but be a carebear industrialst sitting in Empire. In fact, your corporation was involved in a total of 15 kills on your PA tracker. It is corporations liek yours that don't belong in 0.0 alliances because you're nothing but soft targets. In fact, most of PA is just like you and your corp. No wonder its where it is today.
First of all:
joshua - After we (EverCorp, psychosis and Aegis inquisitor) created a new corp, we havent had killboard access, due to the fact that the admin of that board have been gone for a long time. If u wanna see our kills, then go to this page: www.ecp-rogues.co.uk/kill
Second:
I respect ATUK in some way. They are the kind of enemy you dont wanna meet, when it comes to fleetbattles. As single pilots they are no more a threat than any other pvp'er in this game. They are very coordinated and have very good fleet commanders (after what i have heard). They know their stuff in and out. Good Job. You have been around the block for awhile. This is the thing that PA have not had in a long time, especially after Anihilus left the stage. PA have mainly been running around in small gangs trying to score some kills. But your ruining your reputation as good fighters with all the smack you do on the forums.
Now for F-E:
You always claim we didnt support you in any way. I challenge everyone on this thread to look back on the H-PA kills when F-E/NBSI/PA was allied. Study it closely and you will see that PA killed more than F-E in there, and certanly lost more than F-E there.
When it comes to tribute PA had big problems helping you, because of the sole fact that we were licking our wounds from the continous attacks from ATUK (caus they are what i will call the core of .5.) and RISK at that time. We lost 2 stations to RISK, before RISK crumbled due to internal problems.
F-E finally napped .5. You can try to excuse that by blaming PA and NBSI as many times as you want. If that makes you feel better. Fact is and will always be that you crumbled under the pressure (like PA), but you napped .5. before they took D7 station. Smack it as much as you want F-E, but all of eve knows this as a fact, but most importantly, you know it. Maybe .5. will help you smack me on this, probably. But they know it too.
4S took a station from you in Vale. You took it back with the help from .5. dreads and BS's. 4S took it back and you NAP'ed them.
quote: Darcuese Arcane Technologies The Five Posted - 2006.03.05 00:19:00 - [256] - Quote --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Being dead...hmmmm
Some ppl die even though they still live. And i mean that in real life.
PA are like those ppl working from hour to hour , coming home, eat some s h i t, watch TV and go to bad. Every now and then they are invited to some party where they cant speak with other ppl and especialy girls cause they are afradi to take a risk of aproach."
And for you my bewildered little friend. Many PA members have wifes, kids and girlfriends (like ppl in other allinces, and cant sit on eve 24/7. Keep you lack of intelligence on another thread plz. That is the dumbest post i think i have ever read on eve-o.
Some will probably state that my is. Fact is and will be that .5. smacked PA real hard and did smack FE real hard too. The only difference is that FE was smart enough to NAP .5. or else they would have crumbled too.
thats it for me
FYI, this is what really happenend in regards to D7. 5 did indeed take control of D7, and station control went back and forth for several days until F-E finally gained hold again, then the nap took place shortly after. With the looming knowledge that 5 could possibly field a significant amount of dreads without the ability to effectively counter, a decision was made. There is much more to this entire situation than you know.
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Naphtalia
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Posted - 2006.03.08 16:42:00 -
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Yep I studied the killboard... (even though your claims aren't true they have a grain of truth)
PA was involved in *many* kills in H-PA... why?.. because in almost every fleetbattle there were 1-4 PA on 30-40 F-E ... you will see many many killmails on our board where a PA ship was able to put a point or some damage on the target.
if PA had 1 uber pilot playing 23/7 with an unlimited supply of BS... then PA might even have more or same involvements then F-E as an alliance.
I am sure that PA was involved in 300 kills in H-PA.. but does that mean anything? nope.
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WETRAIN
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Posted - 2006.03.09 08:30:00 -
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tbh i know why SOME major part of PA didnt come Napht its because your attitude and ego was waaaaaaay to big in match with the results, and by telling a PERSON ( old man with kids for example ) to STFU is not nice and that man will not fly with you again , so i guess that counts.
tbh Balasz > Naphtalia x 1000
or is it .. then when i can remember that ... we fought atuk ... 40 vs 30(them) lost 8 bs and killed 1 hac .... and you said, GOOD JOB GUYS !! WE DID IT THEY RAN!!! W000T!
thats not fleet commanding .... thats overpower in your brain, its a disease that persh got , but hes on "stoned" treatment ... and it seemed to work now ... in fact u are the Military Persh
get a life dude at you 30-50 age u should be raising kids and go to work not mess up all your time swearing at ppl for nothing. - I am the Voice - I am the Eyes -
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Spokesperson
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Posted - 2006.03.09 08:49:00 -
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Originally by: WETRAIN
get a life dude at you 30-50 age u should be raising kids and go to work not mess up all your time swearing at ppl for nothing.
So you got owned I take it?
Personal insults, are you 14?
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.03.09 09:09:00 -
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Edited by: pershphanie on 09/03/2006 09:09:39
Originally by: Le Cardinal
F-E finally napped .5. You can try to excuse that by blaming PA and NBSI as many times as you want. If that makes you feel better.
We dont need an excuse. Nor do we need to appologise for it. FE is stronger than ever and you are in a dead alliance yelling smack from jita. We dont need to blame anyone. We won. Assigning blame should be left for when there is a problem. We will leave the blame game for the losers. aka - you.
Originally by: Le Cardinal
Fact is and will always be that you crumbled under the pressure (like PA), but you napped .5. before they took D7 station.
Who crumbled under the pressure? While you guys were busy hiding FE stayed and fought some great fleet battles. You guys made your choice to stay out of the major conflict and go ganking instead. While you guys screwed around and got more disorganized, FE learned how to compete with the big boys. We stood their and got our asses kicked over and over again always comming back. Eventually we figured out what they were doing that was so successfull and adapted to it. By the end of all of it i dont mind saying we turned into a pretty bad ass pvp force. The cowardice of PA and NBSI is what forced FE to get good. So thank you.
I'm amazed you managed to sit there in jita in your dead alliance talking about how FE are the ones who crumbled. Why would the5 even give a nap to us if we cant fight? Make up all the lies you want, but no one is going to believe you talking about how much valent PA fought and how much fe sucks while you are sitting in empire defeated and we are stronger than ever.
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Naphtalia
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Posted - 2006.03.09 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: WETRAIN tbh i know why SOME major part of PA didnt come Napht its because your attitude and ego was waaaaaaay to big in match with the results, and by telling a PERSON ( old man with kids for example ) to STFU is not nice and that man will not fly with you again , so i guess that counts.
tbh Balasz > Naphtalia x 1000
or is it .. then when i can remember that ... we fought atuk ... 40 vs 30(them) lost 8 bs and killed 1 hac .... and you said, GOOD JOB GUYS !! WE DID IT THEY RAN!!! W000T!
thats not fleet commanding .... thats overpower in your brain, its a disease that persh got , but hes on "stoned" treatment ... and it seemed to work now ... in fact u are the Military Persh
get a life dude at you 30-50 age u should be raising kids and go to work not mess up all your time swearing at ppl for nothing.
WETRAIN says so, it must be true.
I really like the slurring on teamspeak: "Itssshh mine gang, an Iwlll *HiC* commandsss itsss gosh I vormed sle gang!!! An ifsh *HiC* an EffCee gomes on an I have zoo giff the gang zoo the EffCee I will log offfss *HiC* *yaarrrr* Warp to mees Warp to mees *HiC* everyone warp to mees now *HiC*"
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Sextus Licinius
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Posted - 2006.03.10 09:06:00 -
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So FE, .5 was succesfull in their "Divide et Impera" aka Divide and Rule campaign, managing to make you break the PA/NBSI/FE pact so they can move unharmed through your space, starting the invasion with the weakest namely PA and after that NBSI. As proved .5 was very much capable of wiping you out that's why you NAP-ed 'em and i quote one of your pilots:
Quote: null
Quote: this is what really happenend in regards to D7. 5 did indeed take control of D7, and station control went back and forth for several days until F-E finally gained hold again, then the nap took place shortly after
As human history shows conquered populations tend to mix and asimilate with the invaders boosting their ranks. .5 now should be getting bigger with the new ex-PA aquisitions and i'm not talking carebears here, i'm talking about people that silently hate you, like most of EVE prolly, .5 are not backstabbers and traitors, you are. So geting back to my initial question. Who you think is next? KAOS, ... you maybe? PA holds less active people as a corporation so i assume is pretty much dead. We chose to live on because .5 gave us some "candy" aka Dominion something alliance that came in H-PA and they make the funniest kills.
What i say is my opinion only and don't reflect crap in terms of my corporation or alliance views.
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2006.03.10 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sextus Licinius So FE, .5 was succesfull in their "Divide et Impera" aka Divide and Rule campaign, managing to make you break the PA/NBSI/FE pact so they can move unharmed through your space, starting the invasion with the weakest namely PA and after that NBSI. As proved .5 was very much capable of wiping you out that's why you NAP-ed 'em and i quote one of your pilots:
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Quote: this is what really happenend in regards to D7. 5 did indeed take control of D7, and station control went back and forth for several days until F-E finally gained hold again, then the nap took place shortly after
As human history shows conquered populations tend to mix and asimilate with the invaders boosting their ranks. .5 now should be getting bigger with the new ex-PA aquisitions and i'm not talking carebears here, i'm talking about people that silently hate you, like most of EVE prolly, .5 are not backstabbers and traitors, you are. So geting back to my initial question. Who you think is next? KAOS, ... you maybe? PA holds less active people as a corporation so i assume is pretty much dead. We chose to live on because .5 gave us some "candy" aka Dominion something alliance that came in H-PA and they make the funniest kills.
What i say is my opinion only and don't reflect crap in terms of my corporation or alliance views.
Funny All hear is "Blah Blah...sour grapes..I'm a loser"
All true ofc.
Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
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Le Cardinal
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Posted - 2006.03.10 12:06:00 -
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I dont know what you have been smoking Persh, but it have to be something heavy.
"I'm amazed you managed to sit there in jita in your dead alliance talking about how FE are the ones who crumbled. Why would the5 even give a nap to us if we cant fight? Make up all the lies you want, but no one is going to believe you talking about how valent PA fought and how much fe sucks while you are sitting in empire defeated and we are stronger than ever."
Jita? Who are u talking about? Dont think ive been i Jita for ages.
ECP have been where **** hits the fan most of the time. And we have had lots of fun doing it. So stop trying to hide facts with smack.
And keep trying to convince urself or others with "your" facts. Props to .5. for not smacking too much at the end of this thread. Less smack, more respect. |
pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.03.10 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Le Cardinal
Jita? Who are u talking about? Dont think ive been i Jita for ages.
Dont pretend you put up a fight for your space. Everyone knows the truth.
While NBSI stood up there alone against the odds and put up a fight for their space, you guys smacked from empire. While they were honest about their situation in the war, PA put up a transparent wall of lies. It was disgracfull. It was an embarassment to anyone who has ever been called pa. I find it insulting how you guys are ruining PA's name.
Originally by: Le Cardinal Less smack, more respect.
Keep your respect. We'll take your space instead.
We won. you lost. eat ****.
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Naphtalia
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Posted - 2006.03.10 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sextus Licinius So FE, .5 was succesfull in their "Divide et Impera"
There were successful the moment .5. divided the nbsi/pa/fe which was when they arranged that PA/NBSI didn't help defend D7. The divide happened when we were fighting .5. alone, not when we decided to NAP with .5.
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2006.03.10 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Le Cardinal I dont know what you have been smoking Persh, but it have to be something heavy.
"I'm amazed you managed to sit there in jita in your dead alliance talking about how FE are the ones who crumbled. Why would the5 even give a nap to us if we cant fight? Make up all the lies you want, but no one is going to believe you talking about how valent PA fought and how much fe sucks while you are sitting in empire defeated and we are stronger than ever."
Jita? Who are u talking about? Dont think ive been i Jita for ages.
ECP have been where **** hits the fan most of the time. And we have had lots of fun doing it. So stop trying to hide facts with smack.
And keep trying to convince urself or others with "your" facts. Props to .5. for not smacking too much at the end of this thread. Less smack, more respect.
It amuses me that you think anyone wants your respect. GODS having been in PA before, its disgraceful that the people who fly under that flag now are nowhere near worthy of that name.
Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
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Sextus Licinius
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Posted - 2006.03.10 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Darken Two
Funny All hear is "Blah Blah...sour grapes..I'm a loser"
All true ofc.
Funny is your perception about things.
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J'tarel
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Posted - 2006.03.10 16:48:00 -
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Hi all,
I think the FE guys in here are missing the piont really, ECP are not PA, we've had our own killboard since we started because on the one hand PA couldnt get us access to thiers and on the other, we've fought on our own for many months as the number of PA pvp corps/guys dwindled rapidly. Personally I'm not going to argue with FE did this 5 did that.. you did what you had to do.
However I think we would just simply prefer if you didnt generalise and bunch us in with the rest of PA and its total lack of defence. We went out and fought everyday.. we went off and hit what (loosely was called) PA command asked us too. As such we became glad to maintain our own killboard just so we could set our selves apart from PA and show we were fighting.
We eventually left PA because the wouldnt fight thier enemies head to head anymore, prefering some wierd ass FA strategy. Even worse we were accused of being to aggressive.. just when we thought that they needed to be just that!...
Thanks
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.10 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: Zysco on 10/03/2006 16:55:59
Originally by: pershphanie
While NBSI stood up there alone against the odds and put up a fight for their space, you guys smacked from empire. While they were honest about their situation in the war, PA put up a transparent wall of lies. It was disgracfull. It was an embarassment to anyone who has ever been called pa. I find it insulting how you guys are ruining PA's name.
tbh persh, after the exact same thing happened at the end of the GNW, PA doesn't have much of a "name" to ruin.
Can someone please dig up posts from the end of the GNW where PA says similar things, plz plz plz plz plz.
Originally by: Wizie
ECP rogues were almost never around where the real fighting was. It was mentioned on more than several occassions that while PA was getting shot up and F-E, while asking PA to help. ECP rogues were camping MHC/Harroule... places that had little if anything to do with the fight against the enemies up North.
Might as well have not conisdered ECP Rogues a member of PA in terms of real ability/help.
LOL those are the PA? LOL I remember laughing at them in local cause in d-c kayo or someone was posting logs of his dread's wreckings on PA POS, whereas the same time like 20 PA were camping MHC.
callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back |
Wizie
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Posted - 2006.03.10 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Le Cardinal I dont know what you have been smoking Persh, but it have to be something heavy.
"I'm amazed you managed to sit there in jita in your dead alliance talking about how FE are the ones who crumbled. Why would the5 even give a nap to us if we cant fight? Make up all the lies you want, but no one is going to believe you talking about how valent PA fought and how much fe sucks while you are sitting in empire defeated and we are stronger than ever."
Jita? Who are u talking about? Dont think ive been i Jita for ages.
ECP have been where **** hits the fan most of the time. And we have had lots of fun doing it. So stop trying to hide facts with smack.
And keep trying to convince urself or others with "your" facts. Props to .5. for not smacking too much at the end of this thread. Less smack, more respect.
ECP rogues were almost never around where the real fighting was. It was mentioned on more than several occassions that while PA was getting shot up and F-E, while asking PA to help. ECP rogues were camping MHC/Harroule... places that had little if anything to do with the fight against the enemies up North.
Might as well have not conisdered ECP Rogues a member of PA in terms of real ability/help.
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J'tarel
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Posted - 2006.03.10 17:06:00 -
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Actually if anyone bothers to check thier facts, which this being the forums they wouldnt have done. We went on a TWO WEEK holiday to Syndicate because we got new members in and wanted to get thier PvP skills improved. As anyone who actually knows eve is aware Syndicate is a good place to do it.
Seriously some people are frankly ****monkeys when it comes to winning, no grace at all.
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Wizie
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Edited by: Wizie on 10/03/2006 17:14:44
Originally by: J'tarel Actually if anyone bothers to check thier facts, which this being the forums they wouldnt have done. We went on a TWO WEEK holiday to Syndicate because we got new members in and wanted to get thier PvP skills improved. As anyone who actually knows eve is aware Syndicate is a good place to do it.
Seriously some people are frankly ****monkeys when it comes to winning, no grace at all.
So you left your weak alliance that was being attacked to train members in PvP... Yes, makes perfect sense :)
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.10 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: J'tarel Actually if anyone bothers to check thier facts, which this being the forums they wouldnt have done. We went on a TWO WEEK holiday to Syndicate because we got new members in and wanted to get thier PvP skills improved. As anyone who actually knows eve is aware Syndicate is a good place to do it.
Seriously some people are frankly ****monkeys when it comes to winning, no grace at all.
It looks like that PVP training definately helped save your alliance.
callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back |
J'tarel
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Posted - 2006.03.10 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Zysco
Originally by: J'tarel Actually if anyone bothers to check thier facts, which this being the forums they wouldnt have done. We went on a TWO WEEK holiday to Syndicate because we got new members in and wanted to get thier PvP skills improved. As anyone who actually knows eve is aware Syndicate is a good place to do it.
Seriously some people are frankly ****monkeys when it comes to winning, no grace at all.
It looks like that PVP training definately helped save your alliance.
Your an idiot... no Sherlock Holmes.. one corp did not save PA because it wouldnt save itself. There was a very small number of people actually bothering to fight as in fact FE can tell you (why they got so dam annoyed clearly). We were happy to be one of them, but PA as a majority just wouldnt.
Lastly, as Exuro mortis you know nothing about it, you havent even been involved, your right to pass judgement was replaced by your BoB mining pass a long time ago.
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2006.03.10 18:22:00 -
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PvP training? In syndicate heh? |
Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.10 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: Zysco on 10/03/2006 18:40:44
Originally by: J'tarel
Originally by: Zysco
Originally by: J'tarel Actually if anyone bothers to check thier facts, which this being the forums they wouldnt have done. We went on a TWO WEEK holiday to Syndicate because we got new members in and wanted to get thier PvP skills improved. As anyone who actually knows eve is aware Syndicate is a good place to do it.
Seriously some people are frankly ****monkeys when it comes to winning, no grace at all.
It looks like that PVP training definately helped save your alliance.
Your an idiot... no Sherlock Holmes.. one corp did not save PA because it wouldnt save itself. There was a very small number of people actually bothering to fight as in fact FE can tell you (why they got so dam annoyed clearly). We were happy to be one of them, but PA as a majority just wouldnt.
Lastly, as Exuro mortis you know nothing about it, you havent even been involved, your right to pass judgement was replaced by your BoB mining pass a long time ago.
I "fought" PA almost 2 years ago in evol (I think maybe you had 2 or 3 pilots in 6nj), I "fought" PA 9 months ago in 5. I'm sure I've never fought you or your corp, since apparently as you admitted you prefer to abandon your alliance to kill nubships in syndicate. So, apparently, I'm just as "involved" as you and your corp have been in PA affairs.
And lol @ personal attacks to try and cover up the complete failure of both your corporation and your alliance. Since when does exuro mortis mine ,
Come back to syndicate, the t2 loot your geddons drop is nice.
callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back |
J'tarel
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Posted - 2006.03.10 18:46:00 -
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err dont fly geddons you muppet.. 2 weeks in synd and suddenly its crime of the century and its our fault PA falls... dear oh dear, what do you know of the crunch!
Naboo: I've seen your CV, there's nothing on it, I live my life..
Saboo: Live your life? you live with a couple of dos bags and an ape!
Bollo: GRRRRR
Saboo: What? you ARE an ape!
Bollo; Ooo.. well yeah
Naboo; You've read all the books but when it comes to the crunch where ar ya?
Saboo; The crunch! how dare you speak to me of the crunch, you know nothing of the crunch, you've never even been to the crunch!
Naboo; been there once.
Saboo: Oh little day trip round the crunch, we can all go as tourists, 'ooo thats a bit of crunch'
Chief Shaman: Shut it!
'Nanageddon' - Mighty Boosh / series 2
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.10 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Zysco on 10/03/2006 18:48:54
Originally by: J'tarel
Naboo: I've seen your CV, there's nothing on it, I live my life..
Saboo: Live your life? you live with a couple of dos bags and an ape!
Bollo: GRRRRR
Saboo: What? you ARE an ape!
Bollo; Ooo.. well yeah
Naboo; You've read all the books but when it comes to the crunch where ar ya?
Saboo; The crunch! how dare you speak to me of the crunch, you know nothing of the crunch, you've never even been to the crunch!
Naboo; been there once.
Saboo: Oh little day trip round the crunch, we can all go as tourists, 'ooo thats a bit of crunch'
Chief Shaman: Shut it!
'Nanageddon' - Mighty Boosh / series 2
uhhhhh....... your mom?
callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back |
Kyguard
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Posted - 2006.03.10 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: J'tarel Actually if anyone bothers to check thier facts, which this being the forums they wouldnt have done. We went on a TWO WEEK holiday to Syndicate because we got new members in and wanted to get thier PvP skills improved. As anyone who actually knows eve is aware Syndicate is a good place to do it.
Seriously some people are frankly ****monkeys when it comes to winning, no grace at all.
So while your alliance was rotting up in Venal and needing all its members to fight back the [5], you came down to Syndicate. And the reason for it is rubbish anyway, you came down to have some kind of 'revenge' on 3rd Front.
It's sad to see you failed your alliance and your personal vendetta.
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.10 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: Zysco on 10/03/2006 18:56:56
Originally by: Kyguard
Originally by: J'tarel Actually if anyone bothers to check thier facts, which this being the forums they wouldnt have done. We went on a TWO WEEK holiday to Syndicate because we got new members in and wanted to get thier PvP skills improved. As anyone who actually knows eve is aware Syndicate is a good place to do it.
Seriously some people are frankly ****monkeys when it comes to winning, no grace at all.
So while your alliance was rotting up in Venal and needing all its members to fight back the [5], you came down to Syndicate. And the reason for it is rubbish anyway, you came down to have some kind of 'revenge' on 3rd Front.
It's sad to see you failed your alliance and your personal vendetta.
How can you hate 3rd front, you and the french guys are the only fun people to fight in lower synd now, goons have ruined pvp down there
callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back |
J'tarel
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Posted - 2006.03.10 18:59:00 -
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Lol Kyguard dude.. let it go.. we came down for a 2 week holiday did our thing, had a good time and went home. If anything 3FA really needs to tone down its sense of self-importance!
As for venal, you'd have thought that a 1000 member alliance (roughly at the time of our holiday) wouldve been quite capable of looking after itself for a few days while we were off... clearly they weren't...
Again.. for you this time Kyguard.. you know nohing of the crunch..
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Kyguard
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Posted - 2006.03.10 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: J'tarel Lol Kyguard dude.. let it go.. we came down for a 2 week holiday did our thing, had a good time and went home. If anything 3FA really needs to tone down its sense of self-importance!
As for venal, you'd have thought that a 1000 member alliance (roughly at the time of our holiday) wouldve been quite capable of looking after itself for a few days while we were off... clearly they weren't...
Again.. for you this time Kyguard.. you know nohing of the crunch..
I've been in PA and visited Venal, I know how things were up there. Hardly any PA in Venal. So regardless of the numbers of PA, you knew that in Venal, the [5] were outnumbering your alliance mates and yet you still come down to Syndicate? There's a greater reason behind that , which I've already stated or you simply didn't care about your space. Perhaps a healthy mix of both.
Zysco: Aye, frenchies are good
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Yuzier OA
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Posted - 2006.03.10 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: J'tarel Lol Kyguard dude.. let it go.. we came down for a 2 week holiday did our thing, had a good time and went home. If anything 3FA really needs to tone down its sense of self-importance!
As for venal, you'd have thought that a 1000 member alliance (roughly at the time of our holiday) wouldve been quite capable of looking after itself for a few days while we were off... clearly they weren't...
Again.. for you this time Kyguard.. you know nohing of the crunch..
RIP PA/NBSI
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J'tarel
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Posted - 2006.03.10 19:29:00 -
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Edited by: J''tarel on 10/03/2006 19:31:50 lol yes of course Kyguard.. yes yes thats exactly right.. vengence for what exactly we have no idea.. but yes thats so obviously why AND as a man SO familiar with the situation in Venal at the precise moment in time.. well gee you must have known that it had been under siege by 5 for months, then evil us we go to synd for a couple of weeks driven by mad thirst for vengence because ermm.. well because...? abandoning our poor alliance to its doom! muhhahaha.. but then return and carry on fighting for months...
Agatha Christie and columbo rolled into one you've solved the puzzle with your keen intellect.
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Kyguard
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Posted - 2006.03.10 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: J'tarel Edited by: J''tarel on 10/03/2006 19:31:50 lol yes of course Kyguard.. yes yes thats exactly right.. vengence for what exactly we have no idea.. but yes thats so obviously why AND as a man SO familiar with the situation in Venal at the precise moment in time.. well gee you must have known that it had been under siege by 5 for months, then evil us we go to synd for a couple of weeks driven by mad thirst for vengence because ermm.. well because...? abandoning our poor alliance to its doom! muhhahaha.. but then return and carry on fighting for months...
My apologies then I misunderstood your incessant attempts to flame 3rd Front prior to your coming to Syndicate. Posts filled with the past that had nothing to do with the present and even when asked to refrain from derailing the thread, you kept on the blabbing. That speaks truth, not you.
It's ironic that you claim you were fighting in Venal for months, yet most combatants in the north claim that they've never seen you in any major fighting. So please now go find another alliance to take you in and this time if you actually contribute to your alliance, things might end up differently... Just maybe, but I doubt it.
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J'tarel
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Posted - 2006.03.10 19:44:00 -
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oo yes a couple of guys say they didnt see us so we werent there Kyguard.. duh...
http://www.ecp-rogues.co.uk/kills
OMG WTF... yes we were! dun dun DAH!!!!
As for fighting the mighty 3FA forum warriors? its good fun, your an easy wind up
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War Ping
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Posted - 2006.03.10 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Zysco
uhhhhh....... your mom?
mighty boosh > *
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J'tarel
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Posted - 2006.03.10 19:51:00 -
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yeah.. top tv
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Le Cardinal
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Posted - 2006.03.11 19:26:00 -
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ECP rogues were almost never around where the real fighting was. It was mentioned on more than several occassions that while PA was getting shot up and F-E, while asking PA to help. ECP rogues were camping MHC/Harroule... places that had little if anything to do with the fight against the enemies up North.
Might as well have not conisdered ECP Rogues a member of PA in terms of real ability/help.
First off all dude, post with your main.
"It was mentioned on more than several occassions that while PA was getting shot up and F-E, while asking PA to help. ECP rogues were camping MHC/Harroule"
A big lol at this comment. Either you are an NBSI pilot being cranky at us, or just some moron just trying to stir things up. Probably both. As Jt says. We were only in syndicate for a few days.
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Wizie
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Posted - 2006.03.11 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Le Cardinal ECP rogues were almost never around where the real fighting was. It was mentioned on more than several occassions that while PA was getting shot up and F-E, while asking PA to help. ECP rogues were camping MHC/Harroule... places that had little if anything to do with the fight against the enemies up North.
Might as well have not conisdered ECP Rogues a member of PA in terms of real ability/help.
First off all dude, post with your main.
"It was mentioned on more than several occassions that while PA was getting shot up and F-E, while asking PA to help. ECP rogues were camping MHC/Harroule"
A big lol at this comment. Either you are an NBSI pilot being cranky at us, or just some moron just trying to stir things up. Probably both. As Jt says. We were only in syndicate for a few days.
Get your facts straight before you make any comments about our whereabouts. Our killboard speaks for itself.
This is my main.
You left your alliance and there allies to go fight in Syndicate when they needed you the most... thats the point being made.
I'm not NBSI.. heck I'm not even fond of NBSI :)
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.03.12 01:32:00 -
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Wize is a main, though he is a nub :).
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Wizie
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Posted - 2006.03.12 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth Wize is a main, though he is a nub :).
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Korfio
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Posted - 2006.03.12 08:15:00 -
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Edited by: Korfio on 12/03/2006 08:17:41 How is possible people telling here that PA is alive when even HAOS announce that they leave????? (It's another post here)
Who remains only in PA to fight?? Mythos with 5-7 members??
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