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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.04 15:05:00 -
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Catalyst is so alone, poor thing.. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
197
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Posted - 2011.11.04 15:06:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Catalyst is so alone, poor thing..
It will always have company in the Raven, but yes I agree.
More horizontal designs, and more twin hull designs please. 
Edit:
My thought is that Vertical designs look best on larger, slower moving vessels.
Horizontal designs work best for the more agile ships.
Twin Hull can go either way. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-ait's more like a family motto. |

Zagam
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
222
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Posted - 2011.11.04 15:26:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:Catalyst is so alone, poor thing.. It will always have company in the Raven, but yes I agree. More horizontal designs, and more twin hull designs please.  Edit: My thought is that Vertical designs look best on larger, slower moving vessels. Horizontal designs work best for the more agile ships. Twin Hull can go either way.
I can see it on both, actually.
Vertical ships have their appeal in looking "different", and "unique" (see: Naglfar, Myrm, Tornado, etc.) Horizontal and wide ships have their appeal in looking like a "flying wing". I would absolutely love to see a ship that really looks like a flying wing (not named Catalyst). That said, the physics of making a flying wing in space is difficult, as you have to balance the thrust carefully, and its much easier to design a long ship than it is to design a wide ship.
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Cpt Greagor
Liquid Relief
38
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Posted - 2011.11.04 15:29:00 -
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Zagam wrote:I can see it on both, actually.
Vertical ships have their appeal in looking "different", and "unique" (see: Naglfar, Myrm, Tornado, etc.) Horizontal and wide ships have their appeal in looking like a "flying wing". I would absolutely love to see a ship that really looks like a flying wing (not named Catalyst). That said, the physics of making a flying wing in space is difficult, as you have to balance the thrust carefully, and its much easier to design a long ship than it is to design a wide ship.
Balancing a vertical ship is no different than balancing a horizontal (wide) ship. |

Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
53
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Posted - 2011.11.04 15:55:00 -
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I always loved the Catalyst. It was my favorite ship in my early days, when it was such an accomplishment for me to buy something bigger than a frigate. |

Kahz Niverrah
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming Moar Tears
12
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Posted - 2011.11.04 16:00:00 -
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Yo mama is so wide, she needs a cyno to go shopping. I don't always post on the forums, but when I do, I post with my main. |

Zagam
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
222
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Posted - 2011.11.04 16:06:00 -
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Cpt Greagor wrote:Zagam wrote:I can see it on both, actually.
Vertical ships have their appeal in looking "different", and "unique" (see: Naglfar, Myrm, Tornado, etc.) Horizontal and wide ships have their appeal in looking like a "flying wing". I would absolutely love to see a ship that really looks like a flying wing (not named Catalyst). That said, the physics of making a flying wing in space is difficult, as you have to balance the thrust carefully, and its much easier to design a long ship than it is to design a wide ship.
Balancing a vertical ship is no different than balancing a horizontal (wide) ship. Right. That is also why vertical ships are rare. Same physics, different dimension.
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Cpt Greagor
Liquid Relief
39
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Posted - 2011.11.04 16:06:00 -
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Kahz Niverrah wrote:Yo mama is so wide, she needs a cyno to go shopping.
This for some reason made me laugh. |

Ptraci
3 R Corporation
72
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Posted - 2011.11.04 16:17:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Catalyst is so alone, poor thing..
Rotate your monitor 90 degrees? |

Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries The Black Armada
31
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Posted - 2011.11.04 16:32:00 -
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There is no vertical in space nor sound!
Personally, I always thought this game, as a whole, is too oriented to be a space game. Would like to warp in upside down or cyno jump into a system with no relative alignment.
my 2 cents |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
197
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Posted - 2011.11.04 16:39:00 -
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Zagam wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:Catalyst is so alone, poor thing.. It will always have company in the Raven, but yes I agree. More horizontal designs, and more twin hull designs please.  Edit: My thought is that Vertical designs look best on larger, slower moving vessels. Horizontal designs work best for the more agile ships. Twin Hull can go either way. I can see it on both, actually. Vertical ships have their appeal in looking "different", and "unique" (see: Naglfar, Myrm, Tornado, etc.) Horizontal and wide ships have their appeal in looking like a "flying wing". I would absolutely love to see a ship that really looks like a flying wing (not named Catalyst). That said, the physics of making a flying wing in space is difficult, as you have to balance the thrust carefully, and its much easier to design a long ship than it is to design a wide ship.
More difficult to design, perhaps, but wider (or taller for that matter) ships allow for more options in engine placement and some nice advantages to manuverability because of that.
Perhaps the best example of these principals is the Star Fury of B5 fame. Ugly as hell, but very functional for what we SciFi buffs would consider a realtively low tech vehicle. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-ait's more like a family motto. |

Kahz Niverrah
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming Moar Tears
13
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Posted - 2011.11.04 16:39:00 -
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Zendoren wrote:There is no vertical in space nor sound!
Personally, I always thought this game, as a whole, is too oriented to be a space game. Would like to warp in upside down or cyno jump into a system with no relative alignment.
my 2 cents Your ship's computer automatically orients itself to the galactic plane in order to properly position your ship's communications equipment for maximum reception of interstellar communications... or some nonsense like that. I don't always post on the forums, but when I do, I post with my main. |

Ran'shad
Imperial Manufacturing and Engineering Regiment
2
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Posted - 2011.11.04 17:32:00 -
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First of all, let me say that I like the look of the new BCs. With that said, I think their is an issue with ships that are vertical such as the Oracle, or as the OP proposes wide. The issue is that designs like those offer more of a target when facing (or retreating) form targets. A pointy shaped ship (such as the Naga) offers less of a cross section when approaching, but is able to turn 90 degrees to the side should the need arise. I enjoy variety in appearance as much as everyone else, but there are practical matters when you rotate a ship through the various axis. It will be curious to see if the signature radius of the new ships (particularly the Oracle) reflects this. |

Officer Nyota Uhura
45
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Posted - 2011.11.05 16:56:00 -
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Kahz Niverrah wrote:Yo mama is so wide, she needs a cyno to go shopping.
Those problems are common with elderly ladies. Tell her to go see the cynocologist. |

Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
344
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Posted - 2011.11.05 17:08:00 -
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Cpt Greagor wrote:Kahz Niverrah wrote:Yo mama is so wide, she needs a cyno to go shopping. This for some reason made me laugh. That is because it is funny and you should not feel bad.
You should feel a little bad. |

Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
110
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Posted - 2011.11.05 18:18:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Catalyst is so alone, poor thing.. Hi, my name is Kestrel and I am H-O-R-I-Z-O-N-T-A-L. |

Jenshae Chiroptera
105
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Posted - 2011.11.05 18:20:00 -
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Vertical ships look "wrong" to me. The nightmare looks as though it should be a stationary POS control tower or something. CSM do you think? No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you. |

mkint
271
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Posted - 2011.11.05 18:21:00 -
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technically wouldn't ANY ship that's not vertical be horizontal, regardless of whether it's forward axis is long or short? |

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
278
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Posted - 2011.11.05 18:24:00 -
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Kahz Niverrah wrote:Zendoren wrote:There is no vertical in space nor sound!
Personally, I always thought this game, as a whole, is too oriented to be a space game. Would like to warp in upside down or cyno jump into a system with no relative alignment.
my 2 cents Your ship's computer automatically orients itself to the galactic plane in order to properly position your ship's communications equipment for maximum reception of interstellar communications... or some nonsense like that.
Invariable plane
A ship's communication equipment gets data from stargates, so the galactic plane is much less important than the invariable plane. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
278
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Posted - 2011.11.05 18:27:00 -
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mkint wrote:technically wouldn't ANY ship that's not vertical be horizontal, regardless of whether it's forward axis is long or short?
Wider than longer Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
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T' Elk
Clearly Compensating The Dark Triad
115
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Posted - 2011.11.05 18:30:00 -
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Zendoren wrote:There is no vertical in space nor sound!
Personally, I always thought this game, as a whole, is too oriented to be a space game. Would like to warp in upside down or cyno jump into a system with no relative alignment.
my 2 cents This is not a space game. This is an underwater game based in the depths of the ocean, where there is still water resistance and gravity whilst looking like space. God wears-aRay Ban Aviators. |

mkint
271
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Posted - 2011.11.05 18:32:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:mkint wrote:technically wouldn't ANY ship that's not vertical be horizontal, regardless of whether it's forward axis is long or short? Wider than longer Horizontal Plane Of course, horizontal would only apply if you decided on an arbitrary "up" which CCP has for us.
That said, OP never said horizontal. Someone else did. |

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
279
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Posted - 2011.11.05 18:40:00 -
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mkint wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:mkint wrote:technically wouldn't ANY ship that's not vertical be horizontal, regardless of whether it's forward axis is long or short? Wider than longer Horizontal PlaneOf course, horizontal would only apply if you decided on an arbitrary "up" which CCP has for us. That said, OP never said horizontal. Someone else did.
Which is why i re-iterated on what i said 
Wider than longer ships
Well.. actually.. REALLY wider than longer. Kestrel and Raven don't count.
A better description would be flying-wing ships, i guess... Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |

Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2011.11.05 19:49:00 -
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I want more fat ships. I love the Prophecy and its big bank of engine exhaust dealies. I actually think the Hulk should be a great big fat barge so its name makes sense. |
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