Clearly the answer is to give the Naga a bigger damage bonus then, maybe to 10%/level. Maybe it'll be used if it can do 840 DPS at 100 km?

I would like to point out that while the Naga is still being debated by the players, and rightfully so given the last look we had, the advertisements for Crucible CCP has put out still lists the Naga as Hybrid AND Torp.

CCP, Please read this one carefully.

Are you messing with those of us still paying attention, or are you about to make everyone looking at the advertising very very upset?

I hope, I really really do hope, the naga will still have torps and you don't have false advertising up.

I would like to point out that while the Naga is still being debated by the players, and rightfully so given the last look we had, the advertisements for Crucible CCP has put out still lists the Naga as Hybrid AND Torp.

CCP, Please read this one carefully.

Are you messing with those of us still paying attention, or are you about to make everyone looking at the advertising very very upset?

I hope, I really really do hope, the naga will still have torps and you don't have false advertising up.

I would like to point out that while the Naga is still being debated by the players, and rightfully so given the last look we had, the advertisements for Crucible CCP has put out still lists the Naga as Hybrid AND Torp.

CCP, Please read this one carefully.

Are you messing with those of us still paying attention, or are you about to make everyone looking at the advertising very very upset?

I hope, I really really do hope, the naga will still have torps and you don't have false advertising up.

And turret user train what? primary weapon/tank for their personal fleets, besides outside of pve you have to move to keep people inside the sweet spot.

wow, I cant believe that everyone is complaining about the naga . . . did you people fly it with torpedoes? its WAY better now.

that isnt hard , as everything is better than torps , even with mining bonus it would be better than torps :P

There are all sorts of ships that suck in eve. What you don't see is much of any attempt at trying to achieve 1v1 race parody. *That's a good thing*. Know why your training specific races, don't feel like you need to "finish" a race, go after specifically what you want.

Well... right now they are actually very good at killing each other. Remember, the counter for battlecruisers is battleships. These having not only the high dps and range of a bs, but also the speed of a bc means that they pretty much tear each other up. A torp version would certainly not be, but i'd rather have a torp version because at least then the talos could fulfill a pos bashing role, instead of no role at all which is the current situation.

I rather have no role than a completyl useless ship with a lame role, what role is pos bashing anyway??? Dreads are for that.

They should have given it a double bonus for torps, then it would at least have a role. Fully selectable damage type means it would be one of the best raw dps ships vs pos's. It would also be good vs battleships. Sure, it would still suck against everything else, but that's fine it would have more of a role than it does now.

Seriously though people, eve balances between ship classes, not between races. If you want missioning ships, ewar, drake and tengu, you train caldari. If you want triage fleet dps ships and snipers you train amarr. If you want kite and gank ships you go minmatar. Gallente are an odd bag, they have the Arazu, Mega, Moros, Thany, some cool drone ships.

There are all sorts of ships that suck in eve. What you don't see is much of any attempt at trying to achieve 1v1 race parody. *That's a good thing*. Know why your training specific races, don't feel like you need to "finish" a race, go after specifically what you want.

inane bitching

Dear Caldari pilots: quit bitching about having to train more than one weapon system. Quit whining about how you have no PvP ships. If you hate Drakes (which are, incidentally, one of the most used PvP ships in the game) then fly a Cerberus, Tengu, Falcon, Rook, Blackbird, Crow, Raptor, or Scorpion, all of which are useful PvP ships. If that's not good enough for you, then CROSSTRAIN LIKE EVERYONE ELSE HAS.

Why Caldari pilots think they should only have to train one race of hulls and one weapon system in order to be good at everything is beyond me.

I was looking forward to the naga but then it was made a rail platform i died a little inside

I'm not training gunnery when i'm specced in missiles :/

No, they dont want to go from the missiles to hybrids.

lol


Also, how are missile-focused Caldari pilots "minutes away" from being able to fly Amarr / Minmatar ships exactly? They only need to train a new weapon system and for Amarr a new set of tanking skills as well...

Ok folks, time to weigh in.

After spending several hours on the Test Server with a Naga, as well as with my corp mates with the other new ships...we have come to the conclusion that the suck. No, really. We each got a whip that we fly...Me, the Naga, and with the Amarr and the Galente ship. We shot at each other. I got popped by me ceo with his Galente ship. I then got my Rattlesnake, and shot at both of them, and I popped him. We tried SEVERAL different fits. I have all my shield skills to 5, but i suck at gunnery, I am better at missiles and drones. See, we feel that after testing these, that they are NOT a good PvE ship, or even PvP as they are right now. You would need SEVERAL of these ships to take down a Battleship. So, PLEASE make these a bit better, just turn them into Battleships, and add more things....for the Naga, drones and missiles, and more slots and a better cap and shields. Otherwise, I don't see where these would fit in. I am not complaining, just stating there needs to be something done, in order for these ships to be of any use.

Seriously?

Look my friend, nobody ever said they were designed to go toe to toe with a Rattlesnake.

Heh. I know, it was close by, and I put some heavy missiles on it. I guess my, and my friend's main question is, what exactly is the role of these ships? Are they PvE, PvP, Gank? etc. Just curious, and perhaps a DEV can answer... :)

wow, I cant believe that everyone is complaining about the naga . . . did you people fly it with torpedoes? its WAY better now.

I was looking forward to the naga but then it was made a rail platform i died a little inside

I'm not training gunnery when i'm specced in missiles :/

yea lot of us used it with torpedoes, and I can say.. it s*cks now with rails...