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Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:15:00 -
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Hai.
Eve is a game we all love.
That said many problems do exist and will continue to do so.
As an eve subscriber that has channelled my hard earned rl isk into playing i can only but ask how eve might have been better today if CCP had not chanelled so much into speculative projects.
I ask the communtity for their opinions.
How better might todays eve have been if CCP had not over streched.
Bad ps3 game / emo vampire game vs better servers - you decide.
Both have yet to prove they will ever be anything other than eve subscriber cash down the drain.
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Zions Child
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
478
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:16:00 -
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Quiet, baddie.
Corporations spend their money on new projects because they want more money.
It's called business.
Shaddup. |
Jim Era
7624
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:17:00 -
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WiS?
Though emo vampires could prove fun if on a planet in New Eden that we could bombard from space. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3182
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:18:00 -
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I started a pool.
How many threads will you get locked before you finally get banned or give up?
I'm in for 200M that you last four threads.
Mr Epeen |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
711
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:18:00 -
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Making the same post twice?
Go away
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Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:19:00 -
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ISD petioned for having personal vendettas for abusing powers and closing my last thread. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2091
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:19:00 -
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They could stick this **** on the hottest servers on the planet, until they fix the stupid multithreading thing it's still going to run like **** if you slap enough people in a system. |
Brad314
Prospero's Island
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:24:00 -
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Praise the Yeti wrote:Hai.
Eve is a game we all love.
That said many problems do exist and will continue to do so.
As an eve subscriber that has channelled my hard earned rl isk into playing i can only but ask how eve might have been better today if CCP had not chanelled so much into speculative projects.
I ask the communtity for their opinions.
How better might todays eve have been if CCP had not over streched.
Bad ps3 game / emo vampire game vs better servers - you decide.
Both have yet to prove they will ever be anything other than eve subscriber cash down the drain.
your last post got locked. You still don't seem to understand that CCP has a duty to the people who gave it loans to diversify.
Oh and in before the next lock |
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
531
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:28:00 -
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Praise the Yeti wrote:ISD petioned for having personal vendettas for abusing powers and closing my last thread. Keep vigilent btw, they aren't above the law.
I did successfully one reprimanded before.
Keep your head up. |
Brad314
Prospero's Island
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:33:00 -
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Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:ISD petioned for having personal vendettas for abusing powers and closing my last thread. Keep vigilent btw, they aren't above the law. I did successfully one reprimanded before. Keep your head up.
If the OP actually had a valid point....then you would be correct. |
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3446
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:35:00 -
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The only thing ISD are doing wrong is that this is still left open. |
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
531
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:37:00 -
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Brad314 wrote:Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:ISD petioned for having personal vendettas for abusing powers and closing my last thread. Keep vigilent btw, they aren't above the law. I did successfully one reprimanded before. Keep your head up. If the OP actually had a valid point....then you would be correct. You asumme i even care what the OP said ?
Just used the opportunity to remind somebody who used their powers before that they are not above the law of the forums as i might do again if i need to |
Amber Kurvora
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
70
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:39:00 -
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You know what really is subscriber cash down the drain? Taking Spaceship Barbie up on many of her well intentioned offers. |
Brad314
Prospero's Island
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:41:00 -
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Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Brad314 wrote:Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:ISD petioned for having personal vendettas for abusing powers and closing my last thread. Keep vigilent btw, they aren't above the law. I did successfully one reprimanded before. Keep your head up. If the OP actually had a valid point....then you would be correct. You asumme i even care what the OP said ? Just used the opportunity to remind somebody who used their powers before that they are not above the law of the forums as i might do again if i need to
Sooo...Boom what I get from this is you don't care the OP is rage posting and saying that CCP has no right to diversify its holdings.....because you think a forum mod once abused his power? |
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
531
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:44:00 -
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Amber Kurvora wrote:You know what really is subscriber cash down the drain? Taking Spaceship Barbie up on many of her well intentioned offers. Heh. Funny thing is if i recall the specific misdemeanour in question was involving an isd giving advice to players warning them about certain players thus tampering with the sandbox |
Thead Enco
III Legion
21
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:45:00 -
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Jim Era wrote:WiS?
Though emo vampires could prove fun if on a planet in New Eden that we could bombard from space.
Only if the graphics engine isn't dated from the year 2002, in comparison to other notable CCP title game that was recently released . |
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
531
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:45:00 -
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Brad314 wrote:Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Brad314 wrote:Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:ISD petioned for having personal vendettas for abusing powers and closing my last thread. Keep vigilent btw, they aren't above the law. I did successfully one reprimanded before. Keep your head up. If the OP actually had a valid point....then you would be correct. You asumme i even care what the OP said ? Just used the opportunity to remind somebody who used their powers before that they are not above the law of the forums as i might do again if i need to Sooo...Boom what I get from this is you don't care the OP is rage posting and saying that CCP has no right to diversify its holdings.....because you think a forum mod once abused his power? where is the rage ? |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1629
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:48:00 -
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I'm thoroughly enjoying the sophomoric understanding of business responses.
Their duty is to maximize profits, whether that's through one product or five hundred is irrelevant. If they can't make expected returns on other products because they're terrible, then that money was better off focusing on existing products or in the investors' pockets. |
Brad314
Prospero's Island
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:49:00 -
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stuff
What rage? I'm honestly trying to figure out where you stand. Sorry if you mistook my intention. |
Brad314
Prospero's Island
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:50:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:I'm thoroughly enjoying the sophomoric understanding of business responses.
Their duty is to maximize profits, whether that's through one product or five hundred is irrelevant. If they can't make expected returns on other products because they're terrible, then that money was better off focusing on existing products or in the investors' pockets.
I tried logic last post. It got locked. |
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1629
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:50:00 -
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I heard the word "diversify" once, and it sounded cool.
You need to diversify yo bonds, ******.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTsNEUZx8v8 |
Brad314
Prospero's Island
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:53:00 -
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lol
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Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:58:00 -
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I tried to make my initial point.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=293972&find=unread
Per se this link please ignore all subsequent posts other than OP in that thread and please continue to discuss, absent trolling and hostilities please men.
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Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
309
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:02:00 -
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Simple really...
We would have had the following:
- Planetary flight. - Fully opened stations - Comet mining - Atmospheric environments ( Flight within giant asteroid formations) - An entire new POS system/mechanic - A redone SOV system.
I could go on... |
Brad314
Prospero's Island
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:07:00 -
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I'm not trolling honestly. I simply believe you don't have an honest point. Why shouldn't CCP diversify? Why should CCP invest all its chickens in one basket so to speak?
TBH you got the last lock because you were raging and I think you are again. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1630
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:07:00 -
[26] - Quote
Mr. Orange wrote:Simple really...
We would have had the following:
- Planetary flight. - Fully opened stations - Comet mining - Atmospheric environments ( Flight within giant asteroid formations) - An entire new POS system/mechanic - A redone SOV system.
I could go on...
Don't, I'm already crying. |
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:11:00 -
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Brad314 wrote:I'm not trolling honestly. I simply believe you don't have an honest point. Why shouldn't CCP diversify? Why should CCP invest all its chickens in one basket so to speak? TBH you got the last lock because you were raging and I think you are again. You must work for ccp ?
Chickens and eggs in baskets is fine,
Dust is a rotten egg in the eve basket and we are paying for it to stay there.
Don't get me started on vampires lol.
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BLACK-STAR
510
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:15:00 -
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You're whining about how CCP manages their investments. You can't argue with their money. It must be irritating having someone telling you what to do with your money, isn't it?
That's how a company and developers roll, they have a lot of ideas to market.
No matter how loud anyone rants and whine isn't going to change their roadplan or their minds. Mind you, EVE is their flagship so they would not hinder it. Granted our Expansions are free on a regular basis. |
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:16:00 -
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BLACK-STAR wrote:You're whining about how CCP manages their investments. You can't argue with their money. It must be irritating having someone telling you what to do with your money, isn't it?
That's how a company and developers roll, they have a lot of ideas to market.
No matter how loud anyone rants and whine isn't going to change their roadplan or their minds. Mind you, EVE is their flagship so they would not hinder it. Granted our Expansions are free on a regular basis. Thise of you still trying to drop wisdom have yet to answer my original question |
Brad314
Prospero's Island
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:17:00 -
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Praise the Yeti wrote:Brad314 wrote:I'm not trolling honestly. I simply believe you don't have an honest point. Why shouldn't CCP diversify? Why should CCP invest all its chickens in one basket so to speak? TBH you got the last lock because you were raging and I think you are again. CCP ? Chicken and eggs in the basket are fine if edible. Dust is a rotten egg in the eve basket and we are paying for it to stay there. Don't get me started on vampires lol.
I'm asking because its the only way I will start to understand your position.
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Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:18:00 -
[31] - Quote
if ccp have devoted the profits from us playing eve back into eve (other than into yet to be proved and failing projects), how might the tidi / lag / resources been in the live event ? |
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:19:00 -
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pls stop trying to de-rail this thread peeple |
Brad314
Prospero's Island
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:21:00 -
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Praise the Yeti wrote:if ccp have devoted the profits from us playing eve back into eve (other than into yet to be proved and failing projects), how might the tidi / lag / resources been in the live event ?
Right. Let me provide a link. http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/06/15/eve-online/ would you even like to think about what this cost?
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Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:24:00 -
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Brad314 wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:if ccp have devoted the profits from us playing eve back into eve (other than into yet to be proved and failing projects), how might the tidi / lag / resources been in the live event ? Right. Let me provide a link. http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/06/15/eve-online/ would you even like to think about what this cost? I was referring to your real life cash that ccp diverted towards dust and vampires |
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:26:00 -
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how has the real life cash you've spent worked out when the company to you payed it too reduced the resources on what you were paying for and devoted it elsewhere? |
Amber Kurvora
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
71
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:27:00 -
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Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Amber Kurvora wrote:You know what really is subscriber cash down the drain? Taking Spaceship Barbie up on many of her well intentioned offers. Heh. Funny thing is if i recall the specific misdemeanour in question was involving an isd giving advice to players warning them about certain players thus tampering with the sandbox
That seems a bit...odd. I mean hey, if I crossed a line I'll hold my hands up. It just seems...I mean really? I could just message them in pm, warn people in local or in any of the chats, but mentioning a well loved single person Eve Institute is smacked wrist worthy? I actually adore characters like Spaceship Barbie, mainly because they're fixed points in Eve which you can mention and everyone gets all warm and fuzzy about 'em. |
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:30:00 -
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Amber Kurvora wrote:Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Amber Kurvora wrote:You know what really is subscriber cash down the drain? Taking Spaceship Barbie up on many of her well intentioned offers. Heh. Funny thing is if i recall the specific misdemeanour in question was involving an isd giving advice to players warning them about certain players thus tampering with the sandbox That seems a bit...odd. I mean hey, if I crossed a line I'll hold my hands up. It just seems...I mean really? I could just message them in pm, warn people in local or in any of the chats, but mentioning a well loved single person Eve Institute is smacked wrist worthy? I actually adore characters like Spaceship Barbie, mainly because they're fixed points in Eve which you can mention and everyone gets all warm and fuzzy about 'em. isd warning people in local about scams would be kinda anti snadbox rite ? |
Brad314
Prospero's Island
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:33:00 -
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Praise the Yeti wrote:Brad314 wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:if ccp have devoted the profits from us playing eve back into eve (other than into yet to be proved and failing projects), how might the tidi / lag / resources been in the live event ? Right. Let me provide a link. http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/06/15/eve-online/ would you even like to think about what this cost? I was referring to your real life cash that ccp diverted towards dust and vampires
Right, deep breath and let me try this again. If I say one trick pony do you understand what I mean? Do you understand one trick pony Corporations (Which I might add CCP is trying not to be) Don't, well survive? At all?
I should point out at this point out that, at this junction I can find no other option that, you are either raging (against forum tos) or trolling (again against forum Tos) |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
621
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:33:00 -
[39] - Quote
I don't know. I think your last thread touched a nerve of the powers that be.
You see, I've seen plenty of ranting and trolling in the high-sec versus lowsec threads and the threads go on for 40 pages, but when you question business models people get mad. |
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:36:00 -
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Brad314 wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:Brad314 wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:if ccp have devoted the profits from us playing eve back into eve (other than into yet to be proved and failing projects), how might the tidi / lag / resources been in the live event ? Right. Let me provide a link. http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/06/15/eve-online/ would you even like to think about what this cost? I was referring to your real life cash that ccp diverted towards dust and vampires Right, deep breath and let me try this again. If I say one trick pony do you understand what I mean? Do you understand one trick pony Corporations (Which I might add CCP is trying not to be) Don't well survive? At all? I should point out at this point out that, at this junction I can find no other option that, you are either raging (against forum tos) or trolling (again against forum Tos) Yet you still have not answered my initial question, so i can call folly, gf, please dont post in this thread again unless it it to answer the OP |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3183
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:43:00 -
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A spaceship only game? No avatars to WASD? Sandbox? No safety? Persistent universe?
What a stupid idea. It'll never work and the company is completely wasting their money.
At least that's what the OP would have posted 10 years ago. His kind come and go but EVE just keeps on keepin' on.
Mr Epeen |
Brad314
Prospero's Island
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:45:00 -
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*sigh* I really give up on trying to describe why diversification is a good thing as a business model. You seem to constantly ignore two facts. One: One trick ponies fail. And a companies responsibility isn't to who pays for services but who provides money to them. If you don't like the latter fact that is a different issue. Also I would like to add all initial investments into any project are risk and speculation. If you can't understand that why are you commenting? |
Brad314
Prospero's Island
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:47:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:A spaceship only game? No avatars to WASD? Sandbox? No safety? Persistent universe? What a stupid idea. It'll never work and the company is completely wasting their money. At least that's what the OP would have posted 10 years ago. His kind come and go but EVE just keeps on keepin' on. Mr Epeen
Wow. Seems I agree with you. Never would have thought that. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1632
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:49:00 -
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Brad314 wrote:One: One trick ponies fail.
[citation required]
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Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:50:00 -
[45] - Quote
Brad314 wrote:*sigh* I really give up on trying to describe why diversification is a good thing as a business model. You seem to constantly ignore two facts. One: One trick ponies fail. And a companies responsibility isn't to who pays for services but who provides money to them. If you don't like the latter fact that is a different issue. Also I would like to add all initial investments into any project are risk and speculation. If you can't understand that why are you commenting? the sad part is despite my continued request for a proper retort to the OP you all spam this thread with business stuff?
Cutting through the lines, if CCP had never spent your real life isk on fail stuff like dust and vampires then eve might be better <-- Challenge that all you will but other than speculating on otherwise, you more than likely know i am rite |
Brad314
Prospero's Island
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:51:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Brad314 wrote:One: One trick ponies fail. [citation required]
Off the top of my head and since it was discussed in forums earlier? Netscape Navigator comes to mind. But if you would like current? How about blockbuster? They seemed to close everything recently. |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
622
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:54:00 -
[47] - Quote
Where here is the deal....
EVE can and is keep the company afloat while they do whatever they want to do.
However, if EVE fails at this point the entire company collapses as none of the other side projects seem that viable.
If said side projects cause the demise of the project earning the money then well I suppose that is a problem.
Dust is a failure pretty much so we can write that off. Valkyrie could be something interesting if it can compete with Star Citizen.
If Star Citizen blows it out of the water, then well... All you have left is EVE. |
Brad314
Prospero's Island
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:54:00 -
[48] - Quote
Praise the Yeti wrote:Brad314 wrote:*sigh* I really give up on trying to describe why diversification is a good thing as a business model. You seem to constantly ignore two facts. One: One trick ponies fail. And a companies responsibility isn't to who pays for services but who provides money to them. If you don't like the latter fact that is a different issue. Also I would like to add all initial investments into any project are risk and speculation. If you can't understand that why are you commenting? the sad part is despite my continued request for a proper retort to the OP you all spam this thread with business stuff? Cutting through the lines, if CCP had never spent your real life isk on fail stuff like dust and vampires then eve might be better <-- Challenge that all you will but other than speculating on otherwise, you more than likely know i am rite
Alright Dust is not doing well? Has it failed yet? No. (notice the yet) Second how is a game that isn't out yet a fail?
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1632
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:55:00 -
[49] - Quote
Brad314 wrote:Varius Xeral wrote:Brad314 wrote:One: One trick ponies fail. [citation required] Off the top of my head and since it was discussed in forums earlier? Netscape Navigator comes to mind. But if you would like current? How about blockbuster? They seemed to close everything recently.
Ah, ok, so you have just been talking out your butt this whole time. |
Brad314
Prospero's Island
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:56:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Brad314 wrote:Varius Xeral wrote:Brad314 wrote:One: One trick ponies fail. [citation required] Off the top of my head and since it was discussed in forums earlier? Netscape Navigator comes to mind. But if you would like current? How about blockbuster? They seemed to close everything recently. Ah, ok, so you have just been talking out your butt this whole time.
Really? I just gave you two examples without doing having research. |
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Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
622
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Posted - 2013.11.08 05:01:00 -
[51] - Quote
Brad314 wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:Brad314 wrote:*sigh* I really give up on trying to describe why diversification is a good thing as a business model. You seem to constantly ignore two facts. One: One trick ponies fail. And a companies responsibility isn't to who pays for services but who provides money to them. If you don't like the latter fact that is a different issue. Also I would like to add all initial investments into any project are risk and speculation. If you can't understand that why are you commenting? the sad part is despite my continued request for a proper retort to the OP you all spam this thread with business stuff? Cutting through the lines, if CCP had never spent your real life isk on fail stuff like dust and vampires then eve might be better <-- Challenge that all you will but other than speculating on otherwise, you more than likely know i am rite Alright Dust is not doing well? Has it failed yet? No. (notice the yet) Second how is a game that isn't out yet a fail?
Dust is a failure .
Citation: http://scramweb.blogspot.com/2013/10/ccp-financial-statements-and-failure-of.html |
Brad314
Prospero's Island
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 05:03:00 -
[52] - Quote
Captain Tardbar wrote:Brad314 wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:Brad314 wrote:*sigh* I really give up on trying to describe why diversification is a good thing as a business model. You seem to constantly ignore two facts. One: One trick ponies fail. And a companies responsibility isn't to who pays for services but who provides money to them. If you don't like the latter fact that is a different issue. Also I would like to add all initial investments into any project are risk and speculation. If you can't understand that why are you commenting? the sad part is despite my continued request for a proper retort to the OP you all spam this thread with business stuff? Cutting through the lines, if CCP had never spent your real life isk on fail stuff like dust and vampires then eve might be better <-- Challenge that all you will but other than speculating on otherwise, you more than likely know i am rite Alright Dust is not doing well? Has it failed yet? No. (notice the yet) Second how is a game that isn't out yet a fail? Dust is a failure . Citation: http://scramweb.blogspot.com/2013/10/ccp-financial-statements-and-failure-of.html
http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust
Seem people are still logging in to me. So stop. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1632
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Posted - 2013.11.08 05:05:00 -
[53] - Quote
Brad314 wrote:Really? I just gave you two examples without doing having research.
I'm not sure if you believe that in any way supports your statement or if you're just bluffing, but anyone who understands argumentation now knows you're full of it, which is enough for me.
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Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.11.08 05:09:00 -
[54] - Quote
Stats are nice.
Still waiting to know how much of the eve player subs cash has been spent on dust and vampires.
Would it have made a difference eve wise ?
Willing to bet hell yes |
Brad314
Prospero's Island
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 05:09:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Brad314 wrote:Really? I just gave you two examples without doing having research. I'm not sure if you believe that in any way supports your statement or if you're just bluffing, but anyone who understands argumentation now knows you're full of it, which is enough for me.
exactly what do you mean by that? I just gave you examples of two one trick pony companies that failed off the top of my head. One that happened in the past and one that was happening currently. What more would you like? Me to link a CNN page about how Blockbuster is closing all its remaining stores? |
Brad314
Prospero's Island
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 05:11:00 -
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Praise the Yeti wrote:Stats are nice.
Still waiting to know how much of the eve player subs cash has been spent on dust and vampires.
Would it have made a difference eve wise ?
Willing to bet hell yes
So....let me get this strait....And I mean this as an honest question. You are going to ignore everything I said about why a business should diversify and why honestly its none of your business, and post that? You are trolling. |
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.11.08 05:14:00 -
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Brad314 wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:Stats are nice.
Still waiting to know how much of the eve player subs cash has been spent on dust and vampires.
Would it have made a difference eve wise ?
Willing to bet hell yes So....let me get this strait....And I mean this as an honest question. You are going to ignore everything I said about why a business should diversify and why honestly its none of your business, and post that? You are trolling. Trolling ?
http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/What+trolling+is_ab535b_3513324.jpg
No offence intended, but you seem out your depth suggesting such. |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
622
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Posted - 2013.11.08 05:33:00 -
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Brad314 wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Brad314 wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:Brad314 wrote:*sigh* I really give up on trying to describe why diversification is a good thing as a business model. You seem to constantly ignore two facts. One: One trick ponies fail. And a companies responsibility isn't to who pays for services but who provides money to them. If you don't like the latter fact that is a different issue. Also I would like to add all initial investments into any project are risk and speculation. If you can't understand that why are you commenting? the sad part is despite my continued request for a proper retort to the OP you all spam this thread with business stuff? Cutting through the lines, if CCP had never spent your real life isk on fail stuff like dust and vampires then eve might be better <-- Challenge that all you will but other than speculating on otherwise, you more than likely know i am rite Alright Dust is not doing well? Has it failed yet? No. (notice the yet) Second how is a game that isn't out yet a fail? Dust is a failure . Citation: http://scramweb.blogspot.com/2013/10/ccp-financial-statements-and-failure-of.html http://eve-offline.net/?server=dustSeem people are still logging in to me. So stop.
1. Just because people are logging in doesn't mean they are spending any money on a F2P game.
2. The numbers you are showing show an all time low.
3. In order to recoup $12,000,000 in marketing, 240,000 players would have to spend $50 or more. If only 5,000 players at a max compared to EVE's 40,000 then do they have the numbers to support it? 5,000 playerd doesn't seem like 200,000 in Equivalent terms of EVE. If they had 10,000 concurrent players that would be the same ratio of having 200,000 players.
That is if every single player spends $50 on a F2P game which they don't. |
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.11.08 05:41:00 -
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All these posts and still no reply to my OP ?
How better might eve be had ccp no pumped so much eve player cash into other games (yet to yield fruit and somewhat failing, vampures aside) while ignoring their core product?
Just wondering.
Willing to bet the total amount eve players spent allowing ccp to enable a bad ps3 game and and blood sucking could have bought new servers by now if priorities were rite |
BLACK-STAR
510
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Posted - 2013.11.08 05:43:00 -
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Ok it will be: |--------------------- this much --------------------|
better.
About the size of a regular pacifier you can suck on. |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3185
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Posted - 2013.11.08 05:51:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:1. Just because people are logging in doesn't mean they are spending any money on a F2P game. 2. The numbers you are showing show an all time low. 3. In order to recoup $12,000,000 in marketing, 240,000 players would have to spend $50 or more. If only 5,000 players at a max compared to EVE's 40,000 then do they have the numbers to support it? 5,000 players doesn't seem like 200,000 in Equivalent terms of EVE. If they had 20,000 concurrent players that would be the same ratio of having 200,000 players. That is if every single player spends $50 on a F2P game which they don't.
If that had been the attitude in EVE's first few months we'd not be having this discussion since the game would not even be here. They were losing money hand over fist in the early days. Now they are not.
CCP are visionary in the MMO business and don't buckle to the status quo.
I would be disappointed if they buried DUST in the first year. It may well end up that DUST revenue is what carries EVE forward in the future.
Players that are not complete morons should be encouraging CCP to diversify since they understand the advantages of multiple income streams.
Mr Epeen
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Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
622
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:02:00 -
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Here is some more math for Dust...
So lets say Dust has 5,000 max players per day at a single time (which it doesn't have number that high).
And players only played 2 hours a day...
Than at max there would be:
24*2=48
48*5000=24000 exactly.
Then all those players will have to spend $50 or more dollars to make a proft for at least the marketing costs of Dust.
But here is the problem...
1. Dust max players currently is not 5,000 2. Not every concurrent player only plays 2 hours a day. 3. The majority of players in a F2P game do not spend money.
Therefore it is impossible that Dust is making enough money to cover the advertising campaign.
Some people on google threw out that only 5-10% of players spend money on F2P games.
Therefore in order to make marketing money Dust would need at least 2,400,000 players with 50,000 player per day.
Hell in order to make as much as EVE which makes 400,000x15=$6,000,000 per month it would need at least 25,000 players concurrently per day with the 10% of players spending $50 or more. That scenario is unlikley because F2P players do not pay like subscription based models.
So no. Dust is not successful as EVE nor will it be able to support CCP if EVE fails.
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Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
622
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:04:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:1. Just because people are logging in doesn't mean they are spending any money on a F2P game. 2. The numbers you are showing show an all time low. 3. In order to recoup $12,000,000 in marketing, 240,000 players would have to spend $50 or more. If only 5,000 players at a max compared to EVE's 40,000 then do they have the numbers to support it? 5,000 players doesn't seem like 200,000 in Equivalent terms of EVE. If they had 20,000 concurrent players that would be the same ratio of having 200,000 players. That is if every single player spends $50 on a F2P game which they don't. If that had been the attitude in EVE's first few months we'd not be having this discussion since the game would not even be here. They were losing money hand over fist in the early days. Now they are not. CCP are visionary in the MMO business and don't buckle to the status quo. I would be disappointed if they buried DUST in the first year. It may well end up that DUST revenue is what carries EVE forward in the future. Players that are not complete morons should be encouraging CCP to diversify since they understand the advantages of multiple income streams. Mr Epeen
Has anyone mentioned that DUST is a dead end product on the PS3. Everyone is buying PS4 now and turning their PS3 in at gamestop so unless CCP wants to pour more money into porting it to the PS4 or PC then the player numbers will not incease.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1390
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:05:00 -
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Quote:So no. Dust is not successful as EVE nor will it be able to support CCP if EVE fails.
Nor will it ever be. Next generation consoles will bury it. |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
622
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:13:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:So no. Dust is not successful as EVE nor will it be able to support CCP if EVE fails. Nor will it ever be. Next generation consoles will bury it. [Edit: Which is why it should have been a PC exclusive in the first place.
I'll make one concession... If CCP in their infinite wisdom decides to port Dust to PC, then it has a chance of being at least as successful as Planetside 2.
Deciding to release the game on a console in the end of its product cycle was a bad decision. The number of people who play a PS3 will only go down from here on out. Its numbers will never increase simply because people will stop playing their PS3 because they have a brand new PS4 or Xbox One. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1390
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:19:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:So no. Dust is not successful as EVE nor will it be able to support CCP if EVE fails. Nor will it ever be. Next generation consoles will bury it. [Edit: Which is why it should have been a PC exclusive in the first place. I'll make one concession... If CCP in their infinite wisdom decides to port Dust to PC, then it has a chance of being at least as successful as Planetside 2. Deciding to release the game on a console in the end of its product cycle was a bad decision. The number of people who play a PS3 will only go down from here on out. Its numbers will never increase simply because people will stop playing their PS3 because they have a brand new PS4 or Xbox One.
I agree. As far as marketing and development decisions go, Dust ranks up there with New Coke.
Particularly given that, with the extra 18+ months of development time if they had waited for the next console generation, it may not have released a buggy, awful mess.
I still say PC is their only hope, particularly given that the fanbase they were hoping to draw from (EVE players) are guaranteed to own a computer since they play EVE in the first place. But if they make it the typical crappy console port with the effed up UI, fps cap, and other kinds of bullshit that comes from the awfulness of consoles(seriously, **** you consoles, you ruined gaming), it dies nonetheless. |
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:31:00 -
[67] - Quote
Still waiiting on a reply to my OP.
But yeah, Dust is great isn't it?
Just imagaine if all our eve sub money was put back into eve development and not dust and vampires..........
If only CCP were Carlsberg |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
622
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:36:00 -
[68] - Quote
Praise the Yeti wrote:Still waiiting on a reply to my OP.
But yeah, Dust is great isn't it?
Just imagaine if all our eve sub money was put back into eve development and not dust and vampires..........
If only CCP were Carlsberg
"How better might todays eve have been if CCP had not over streched."
Well if that is the question you were asking.... I guess $12 million would have gone a lot towards making WiS more than it is now.
If not that, budget for new ships. |
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:44:00 -
[69] - Quote
Captain Tardbar wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:Still waiiting on a reply to my OP.
But yeah, Dust is great isn't it?
Just imagaine if all our eve sub money was put back into eve development and not dust and vampires..........
If only CCP were Carlsberg "How better might todays eve have been if CCP had not over streched." Well if that is the question you were asking.... I guess $12 million would have gone a lot towards making WiS more than it is now. If not that, budget for new ships. CCP could be like Calrslberg maybe.
The adverts look good but when it come to taste, Stella Artois at least salvates the palate moar ? |
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:57:00 -
[70] - Quote
to cut through the original mustard - ccp used eve sub money to fund risky projects which on paper at the minute are failing and / or might neverbe released.
my original point remains in that so much might have been better in eve if ccp had not devaited resources from their coreproduct.
all i ask is how much was wasted on dust and vampires and how might that cash invested into eve have resulted in a better live event experience for the players |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6223
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:03:00 -
[71] - Quote
Praise the Yeti wrote:i can only but ask how eve might have been better today if CCP had not chanelled so much into speculative projects.
EVE wouldn't exist. Some might consider that "better." |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17295
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:05:00 -
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It stopped being GÇ£subscriber cashGÇ¥ the moment the transaction went through.
CCP can and should do whatever they want with their money, and trying to expand the product catalogue is pretty much a necessity. Without separate products such as Dust or WOD, there would be no additional funding, so in terms of money flow, little would change for EVE. |
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:09:00 -
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Tippia wrote:It stopped being GÇ£subscriber cashGÇ¥ the moment the transaction went through.
CCP can and should do whatever they want with their money, and trying to expand the product catalogue is pretty much a necessity. Without separate products such as Dust or WOD, there would be no additional funding, so in terms of money flow, little would change for EVE. That is not in doubt.
Companies should make profit rite ?
I can still call you out out on not answering my OP.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17295
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:23:00 -
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Praise the Yeti wrote:I can still call you out out on not answering my OP. Not really no, since I answered your OP: your premise is fundamentally flawed.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
740
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:26:00 -
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A company that relies purely on its current product to keep it alive is a company looking to go broke. Even power petroleum and similiar companies that have a captive customer base still look for alternative income streams. Who know if some genius will invent a perpetual motion machine or something right. Flight used to be pure fantasy too.
As for WIS I think that would have made EvE very popular and attracted lots more income for CCP. Monocles prove there is a market for non pvp stuff like WIS and vanity items.
Greed IS good. You just don't want you're customers reading leaked emails that outright state that. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1392
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:29:00 -
[76] - Quote
Tippia wrote:It stopped being GÇ£subscriber cashGÇ¥ the moment the transaction went through.
CCP can and should do whatever they want with their money, and trying to expand the product catalogue is pretty much a necessity. Without separate products such as Dust or WOD, there would be no additional funding, so in terms of money flow, little would change for EVE.
True, they do need to diversify.
But it must be acknowledged that Dust was pretty much the worst possible outcome they could have had, between both implementation and overall quality of the product. They took a pretty big PR hit with it too. |
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:33:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:I can still call you out out on not answering my OP. Not really no, since I answered your OP: your premise is fundamentally flawed. Enlighten me where the flaw is?
I poised the question that if ccp had not thrown eve subscriptions profits at other ventures yet to yield any form of returns, and instead focussed that capital on the game we pay for, how things might have been different.
Are you suggesting otherwise ? |
Frying Doom
3259
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:33:00 -
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Tippia wrote:It stopped being GÇ£subscriber cashGÇ¥ the moment the transaction went through.
CCP can and should do whatever they want with their money, and trying to expand the product catalogue is pretty much a necessity. Without separate products such as Dust or WOD, there would be no additional funding, so in terms of money flow, little would change for EVE. Strange that people did not view it that way in the aftermath of Incarna. |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22267
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:36:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Not really no, since I answered your OP: your premise is fundamentally flawed. As is everything YOU didn't come up with, Tippa, we all know that...
Still, the OP has a point. CCP diverted their attention (and thus their money) on other projects, while their prime source of income still lies "unfinished"... yes, I know a MMO is never truely finished. Further, that lack of focus hindered EVE's development and resulted in questionable and lacking content.
The logical conlusion is: EVE would, most likely be a better game today, if it wouldn't be for DUST, WoD (which I'm really looking forward too) and, now Valkyrie. |
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:45:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Tippia wrote:Not really no, since I answered your OP: your premise is fundamentally flawed. As is everything YOU didn't come up with, Tippa, we all know that... Still, the OP has a point. CCP diverted their attention (and thus their money) on other projects, while their prime source of income still lies "unfinished"... yes, I know a MMO is never truely finished. Further, that lack of focus hindered EVE's development and resulted in questionable and lacking content. The logical conlusion is: EVE would, most likely be a better game today, if it wouldn't be for DUST, WoD (which I'm really looking forward too) and, now Valkyrie. The fact my first thread was locked.
I can argue with logic all day.
Who is Tippia btw ?
Note the words on the thread title.
I still ask the question, if ccp had not diverted the profitts from their core game player base towards other ventures how might that live event have gone ?
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Azeroth Uluntil
e X i l e The Initiative.
8
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:49:00 -
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Praise the Yeti wrote:Shalua Rui wrote:Tippia wrote:Not really no, since I answered your OP: your premise is fundamentally flawed. As is everything YOU didn't come up with, Tippa, we all know that... Still, the OP has a point. CCP diverted their attention (and thus their money) on other projects, while their prime source of income still lies "unfinished"... yes, I know a MMO is never truely finished. Further, that lack of focus hindered EVE's development and resulted in questionable and lacking content. The logical conlusion is: EVE would, most likely be a better game today, if it wouldn't be for DUST, WoD (which I'm really looking forward too) and, now Valkyrie. I enjoy logic. Who is Tippia btw ? I still ask the question, if ccp had not diverted the profitts from their core game player base towards other ventures how might that live event have gone last night?
No one responds to your question because you are an idiot. Your question is stupid and has been asked before. Therefor, no one wants to answer it again.
They can do with their money as they please. Pretty simple. |
destiny2
Perkone Caldari State
250
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:49:00 -
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i came here expecting another somerblink thread i am leaveing dissapointed |
John Bosch
State War Academy Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:50:00 -
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As I said in the other thread, empire players would have been curbstomped in 20% tidi instead of 10%.
Even if DUST had never existed and all money been invested in better/more servers, maybe players would have seen a 10% drop in tidi. Better? Technically, yes. Worth the expense of new servers and the infrastructure to run them? No. There's just only so much a programmer can do within the limits of current tech and arguably antiquated code. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17295
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:52:00 -
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Praise the Yeti wrote:I still ask the question, if ccp had not diverted the profitts from their core game player base towards other ventures how might that live event have gone last night? It would never have taken place since CCP would have folded in 2011 after Incursion and Incarna. |
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:53:00 -
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Azeroth Uluntil wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:Shalua Rui wrote:Tippia wrote:Not really no, since I answered your OP: your premise is fundamentally flawed. As is everything YOU didn't come up with, Tippa, we all know that... Still, the OP has a point. CCP diverted their attention (and thus their money) on other projects, while their prime source of income still lies "unfinished"... yes, I know a MMO is never truely finished. Further, that lack of focus hindered EVE's development and resulted in questionable and lacking content. The logical conlusion is: EVE would, most likely be a better game today, if it wouldn't be for DUST, WoD (which I'm really looking forward too) and, now Valkyrie. I enjoy logic. Who is Tippia btw ? I still ask the question, if ccp had not diverted the profitts from their core game player base towards other ventures how might that live event have gone last night? No one responds to your question because you are an idiot. Your question is stupid and has been asked before. Therefor, no one wants to answer it again. They can do with their money as they please. Pretty simple. Sorry, but please enlighten me why your opinion is significant ?
Unless you can augment or support your point, or give me any reason to think why i might take notice then by default i dismiss it as moot.
Next? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17295
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:54:00 -
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Praise the Yeti wrote:Unless you can augment or support your point GǪand people are pointing out that you can't.
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To Be Me
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:59:00 -
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Praise the Yeti wrote:ISD petioned for having personal vendettas for abusing powers and closing my last thread.
Petitioned him too.
Closing threads for no reason whatsoever or using some bad reason which isnt even right.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode petitioned. |
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:59:00 -
[88] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:Unless you can augment or support your point GǪand people are pointing out that you can't. what was my point?
last i checked it was eve players are giving ccp cash while they develop other games
all i have done in this thread is suggest some people are unawware of the wider state of affiars? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17295
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:05:00 -
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Praise the Yeti wrote:what was my point? That the outcome of yesterday's event has anything to do with their diversifying into other game.
Hiding it behind the invisibly thin veil of a loaded question does not disqualify it from being your point, and you have offered nothing to support this premise. |
John Bosch
State War Academy Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:12:00 -
[90] - Quote
Praise the Yeti wrote:Tippia wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:Unless you can augment or support your point GǪand people are pointing out that you can't. what was my point? last i checked it was eve players are giving ccp cash while they develop other games all i have done in this thread is suggest some people are unawware of the wider state of affiars?
That's what companies do. They grow, expand, get more financial capital, and develop new games. Natural order of things.
I'm pretty sure everyone here was already aware of the "wider state of things" well before you came along. |
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Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:16:00 -
[91] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:what was my point? That the outcome of yesterday's event has anything to do with their diversifying into other game. Hiding it behind the invisibly thin veil of a loaded question does not disqualify it from being your point, and you have offered nothing to support this premise. Last i checked, i asked a suggestive question based on the assumption of wider possibilities under variable circumstances.
Based on the fact i made no direct accusations i have no onus to provide any substantative evidence other than letting the common mind decide.
It is you who erects the smokescreen.
Care to prove otherwise? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17295
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:22:00 -
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Praise the Yeti wrote:Last i checked, i asked a suggestive question based on GǪa ridiculous and thoroughly flawed premise that has no basis in reality. People are pointing out that your question has no answer because it is meaningless, and you're proving more and more that you don't really want an answer GÇö but then, rhetoric and loaded questions are always like that.
Quote:Care to prove otherwise? I don't have to prove anything until you do, and since you won't, I'm sitting pretty. |
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:29:00 -
[93] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:Last i checked, i asked a suggestive question based on GǪa ridiculous and thoroughly flawed premise that has no basis in reality. People are pointing out that your question has no answer because it is meaningless, and you're proving more and more that you don't really want an answer GÇö but then, rhetoric and loaded questions are always like that. Quote:Care to prove otherwise? I don't have to prove anything until you do, and since you won't, I'm sitting pretty. I have seen very little logic to counter my default arguement. The principle one being that a percentage of eve player sub income generated is being allocated to other projects not involving eve. It is an open ended arguement to suggest how things might have been had that income not been diverted to other projects but eve. Are you suggesting in any way i am wrong? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17296
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:32:00 -
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Praise the Yeti wrote:I have seen very little logic to counter my default arguement. Try reading. |
Arduemont
The State of War.
2333
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:33:00 -
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Zions Child wrote:Quiet, baddie.
Corporations spend their money on new projects because they want more money.
It's called business.
Shaddup.
Although I agree to an extent most corporations don't spend it as recklessly as CCP do. Even massive games companies wouldn't rely on the income of one game to fund four or more other projects that aren't bringing in an income, that's just business scale stupidity. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3447
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:37:00 -
[96] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:I have seen very little logic to counter my default arguement. Try reading. Which he hasn't done in 5 pages and isn't going to. |
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:38:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:I have seen very little logic to counter my default arguement. Try reading. In all honesty i consider this to be a futile reply, The questions i pose in OP and in the other thread i linked are valid and in my opinion un-countered with any significant retort. Sleep beckons tho so have fun |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17297
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:50:00 -
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Praise the Yeti wrote:In all honesty i consider this to be a futile reply So do I, since nothing so far seems to suggest that you'd actually follow that kind of useful advice.
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Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
576
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:55:00 -
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Praise the Yeti wrote:Hai.
Eve is a game we all love.
That said many problems do exist and will continue to do so.
As an eve subscriber that has channelled my hard earned rl isk into playing i can only but ask how eve might have been better today if CCP had not chanelled so much into speculative projects.
I ask the communtity for their opinions.
How better might todays eve have been if CCP had not over streched.
Bad ps3 game / emo vampire game vs better servers - you decide.
Both have yet to prove they will ever be anything other than eve subscriber cash down the drain.
CCPGÇÖs responsibility to you ends each month when your subscription expires, you renew a subscription and get another 30 days of CCPGÇÖs services, how they invest their money and into what products is not relevant, you are not a stockholder youGÇÖre a customer. And as a customer purchasing a fictional reality your expectations of continuity is probably also a fictional reality.
Imagine you are buying a hotdog form a vendor and he excitedly tells you he will be moving into Hamburgers next week, you hate hamburger so you stamp your feet wave your arms in the air and make a scene, but the vendor gets to take the profits he made from your love of Hotdogs and do whatever he wants, Soyburger, tofuuburger, green slime shakes, or whatever he deems is good for his future.
The simple truth is if you want to have some deciding influence in what CCP does, you need to buy a few million worth of stock, get on the Board of directors and set company policy and direction. I am sure CCP is thankful for your patronage, but would prefer you leave RL Corp decisions to RL Corp executives.
Diversifying into the possible next gen of game development is the only sure way to maintain a market share and the continuation of CCP, perhaps not EVE but certainly CCP.
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Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.11.08 09:06:00 -
[100] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:In all honesty i consider this to be a futile reply So do I, since nothing so far seems to suggest that you'd actually follow that kind of useful advice. Given your inability to address or answer the main point of the OP, and the fact you pick and choose what words to reply to, I would ask you endeavour to sell yourself as to why I might consider submitting myself to the wiles of your sagely advice, else with much sadness, I must discount that which stems from a flower I yet to consider in blossom |
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1503
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Posted - 2013.11.08 09:13:00 -
[101] - Quote
Zions Child wrote:Quiet, baddie.
Corporations spend their money on new projects because they want more money.
It's called business.
Shaddup.
So, how much profit do CCP make from DUST? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17297
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Posted - 2013.11.08 09:59:00 -
[102] - Quote
Praise the Yeti wrote:Given your inability to address or answer the main point of the OP An inability to read on your part does not constitute an inability address or answer on my part.
I've done both; you've failed to respond. I can only ask you to read again and hope that you actually try to come up with some kind of answer this time rather than try to deflect the question away from your own failures. |
adarma
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2013.11.08 09:59:00 -
[103] - Quote
OP, you are right and I think alike. But your point is missing. CCP didn't only waste the revenue, but also the energy, time and focus on some silly projects that we don't care about. And yes, EVE would have been different now if they had not.
But others have points as well. This is cold business, stripped from idealism, focused on more money alone. There you have it! |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
12279
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:04:00 -
[104] - Quote
Praise the Yeti wrote:Hai.
Eve is a game we all love.
That said many problems do exist and will continue to do so.
As an eve subscriber that has channelled my hard earned rl isk into playing i can only but ask how eve might have been better today if CCP had not chanelled so much into speculative projects.
I ask the communtity for their opinions.
How better might todays eve have been if CCP had not over streched.
Bad ps3 game / emo vampire game vs better servers - you decide.
Both have yet to prove they will ever be anything other than eve subscriber cash down the drain.
Does your boss threaten to fire you when you spend your wages on things he doesn't approve of? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1394
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:05:00 -
[105] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:Hai.
Eve is a game we all love.
That said many problems do exist and will continue to do so.
As an eve subscriber that has channelled my hard earned rl isk into playing i can only but ask how eve might have been better today if CCP had not chanelled so much into speculative projects.
I ask the communtity for their opinions.
How better might todays eve have been if CCP had not over streched.
Bad ps3 game / emo vampire game vs better servers - you decide.
Both have yet to prove they will ever be anything other than eve subscriber cash down the drain.
Does your boss threaten to fire you when you spend your wages on things he doesn't approve of?
Yep. One of my alts got fired from The Scope for blowing all his money on Quafe and strippers. Now he's turned to the lonely world of suicide ganking. |
Pew Terror
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
20
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:07:00 -
[106] - Quote
Confirming OP is a highly successful business person and knows his stuff! |
IDGAD
Get in the van I have candy.
43
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:43:00 -
[107] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:They could stick this **** on the hottest servers on the planet, until they fix the stupid multithreading thing it's still going to run like **** if you slap enough people in a system.
Yes and no. The Jita node is what they called the reinforced nodes. If I remember right they have two other reinforced nodes available besides Jita. Since 2000 + fights are uncommon, the technology does exist to support most of the giant super fights. CCP just does not want to invest more into the EVE infrastructure. |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
1890
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:47:00 -
[108] - Quote
I want to know what Burger King is doing with the money I paid for my #4 Meal. |
RomeStar
Empire Investments Logistics
336
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:49:00 -
[109] - Quote
They should make Dust a sub based game and see how many people actually play it then. hmmmmmm my guess would be less than 100. |
Zions Child
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
485
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Posted - 2013.11.08 19:54:00 -
[110] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Zions Child wrote:Quiet, baddie.
Corporations spend their money on new projects because they want more money.
It's called business.
Shaddup. So, how much profit do CCP make from DUST?
Depends.
How do you define profit?
Are you talking about profit during the development cycle of DUST 514? Because CCP Games made ~ $4.5 M in 2012. Are you talking about direct profit from DUST 514 Sales? Because then you have to get into the discussion of how they determine that profit, and how much those sales "cost."
Why? Because profit and loss are not easy to understand terms in corporate finance. Because the entire purpose of a company is to squeeze as much profit out of something as possible, and this includes artificially "increasing" costs on paper so as to pay less taxes; e.g. depreciation on property purchases.
All in all, CCPGames has not lost money since at least 2009. Their profits declined in 2012, from around $9M to $5M, but they also significantly increased their R&D costs and various other costs. Similarly, R&D costs have greatly increased in 2013. However, sales increased in 2012 compared to 2011, and sales in the first half of 2013 increased significantly from sales in 2012. Costs have gone up.
Long story short: CCP profited off of DUST, because CCP is currently a profitable company. Without internal sales figures and accounting, it's impossible to tell how much profit came from DUST and how much came from EVE.
EDIT: As for sources, there are these things called financial statements which you can read on your own. |
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Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
1894
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Posted - 2013.11.08 20:29:00 -
[111] - Quote
Posting in another thread that is confused about the difference between an investor and a customer.
For the record, there are plenty of companies around the world, particularly car companies, that will profit off one product, but lose money on another, but the profit from the first outweighs the loss enough that you have a net profit at the end of the day, and the product taking a loss is still viable for mass production due to that net profit. |
Frying Doom
3263
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Posted - 2013.11.08 20:33:00 -
[112] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:Hai.
Eve is a game we all love.
That said many problems do exist and will continue to do so.
As an eve subscriber that has channelled my hard earned rl isk into playing i can only but ask how eve might have been better today if CCP had not chanelled so much into speculative projects.
I ask the communtity for their opinions.
How better might todays eve have been if CCP had not over streched.
Bad ps3 game / emo vampire game vs better servers - you decide.
Both have yet to prove they will ever be anything other than eve subscriber cash down the drain.
Does your boss threaten to fire you when you spend your wages on things he doesn't approve of? That depends on whether or not it makes the papers and whether the community is after my blood over it |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1232
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Posted - 2013.11.08 20:51:00 -
[113] - Quote
Praise the Yeti wrote:Hai.
Eve is a game we all love.
That said many problems do exist and will continue to do so.
As an eve subscriber that has channelled my hard earned rl isk into playing i can only but ask how eve might have been better today if CCP had not chanelled so much into speculative projects.
I ask the communtity for their opinions.
How better might todays eve have been if CCP had not over streched.
Bad ps3 game / emo vampire game vs better servers - you decide.
Both have yet to prove they will ever be anything other than eve subscriber cash down the drain.
Good on you for playing Devil's advocate. In my opinion, If EVE online was it and all cash was invested there, we'd probably be in a better place now. I would expect EVE to include FPS avatar combat and twitch space shooting options, within the client and with the same character. Would this be better than what we have now? Not sure?? |
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2013.11.08 21:03:00 -
[114] - Quote
Also in before lock... ISD Please Lock now |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
12300
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Posted - 2013.11.08 21:54:00 -
[115] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Malcanis wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:Hai.
Eve is a game we all love.
That said many problems do exist and will continue to do so.
As an eve subscriber that has channelled my hard earned rl isk into playing i can only but ask how eve might have been better today if CCP had not chanelled so much into speculative projects.
I ask the communtity for their opinions.
How better might todays eve have been if CCP had not over streched.
Bad ps3 game / emo vampire game vs better servers - you decide.
Both have yet to prove they will ever be anything other than eve subscriber cash down the drain.
Does your boss threaten to fire you when you spend your wages on things he doesn't approve of? That depends on whether or not it makes the papers and whether the community is after my blood over it
The community, eh? |
Tollen Gallen
Xionworld
2583
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Posted - 2013.11.08 22:10:00 -
[116] - Quote
I like Cake |
Frying Doom
3267
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Posted - 2013.11.08 22:15:00 -
[117] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Malcanis wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:Hai.
Eve is a game we all love.
That said many problems do exist and will continue to do so.
As an eve subscriber that has channelled my hard earned rl isk into playing i can only but ask how eve might have been better today if CCP had not chanelled so much into speculative projects.
I ask the communtity for their opinions.
How better might todays eve have been if CCP had not over streched.
Bad ps3 game / emo vampire game vs better servers - you decide.
Both have yet to prove they will ever be anything other than eve subscriber cash down the drain.
Does your boss threaten to fire you when you spend your wages on things he doesn't approve of? That depends on whether or not it makes the papers and whether the community is after my blood over it The community, eh? Strangely I live in a town, now those people who live in the town are what is called a 'community'. Not sure where you live that you don't know what a community is. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
500
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Posted - 2013.11.08 22:35:00 -
[118] - Quote
So, is DUST earning the money for CCP already? Or do they just "siphon" the $$$ from EVE subscribers? |
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:25:00 -
[119] - Quote
My original point stands firm.
Like the post before this.
+1 for paying for other games and getting less in return eve wise for the same buck.
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Rekon X
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2013.11.09 02:06:00 -
[120] - Quote
Praise the Yeti wrote:Hai.
Eve is a game we all love.
That said many problems do exist and will continue to do so.
As an eve subscriber that has channelled my hard earned rl isk into playing i can only but ask how eve might have been better today if CCP had not chanelled so much into speculative projects.
I ask the communtity for their opinions.
How better might todays eve have been if CCP had not over streched.
Bad ps3 game / emo vampire game vs better servers - you decide.
Both have yet to prove they will ever be anything other than eve subscriber cash down the drain.
But, hey, we have a really bada$$ expansion on the way.
Oh, wait, that is a total fail job also. |
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Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2013.11.09 02:09:00 -
[121] - Quote
Rekon X wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:Hai.
Eve is a game we all love.
That said many problems do exist and will continue to do so.
As an eve subscriber that has channelled my hard earned rl isk into playing i can only but ask how eve might have been better today if CCP had not chanelled so much into speculative projects.
I ask the communtity for their opinions.
How better might todays eve have been if CCP had not over streched.
Bad ps3 game / emo vampire game vs better servers - you decide.
Both have yet to prove they will ever be anything other than eve subscriber cash down the drain.
But, hey, we have a really bada$$ expansion on the way. Oh, wait, that is a total fail job also. A few nik, naks, a new site and few new ships? Expansion? kk The eve player sub cash spent on dust and vampires will go full circle i guess Next time you curse eve for whatever reason just consider that ccp channelled ur cash elsewhere, it might have been differnet? kk |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
632
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Posted - 2013.11.09 04:23:00 -
[122] - Quote
Tippia, if I may and if you are still online... Saying that EVE would not exist if they didn't try to make Dust is kind of absurd.
If you read my posts before, it is basically impossible with the current player numbers that Dust to make anywhere near as much money as EVE.
In that Dust is a money drain and a burden to EVE.
Sure if the next project is a success, then it won't be a problem, but if the projects cost more money than they make, then that is a problem.
If Valkyrie is a sucess (and I wouldn't mind it if it would be) then we won't have to be concerned, but so far the only attempt to go to market to expand the business has been a failure.
So there... The money spent on Dust could have went to EVE and got a better return. |
adarma
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2013.11.09 04:35:00 -
[123] - Quote
Captain Tardbar wrote:Tippia, if I may and if you are still online... Saying that EVE would not exist if they didn't try to make Dust is kind of absurd.
If you read my posts before, it is basically impossible with the current player numbers that Dust to make anywhere near as much money as EVE.
In that Dust is a money drain and a burden to EVE.
Sure if the next project is a success, then it won't be a problem, but if the projects cost more money than they make, then that is a problem.
If Valkyrie is a sucess (and I wouldn't mind it if it would be) then we won't have to be concerned, but so far the only attempt to go to market to expand the business has been a failure.
So there... The money spent on Dust could have went to EVE and got a better return.
Valkyrie will not be a success, it is only purpose is to counter SC. All "counter" MMOs in known history are now in peace in the MMO cemetery. |
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2013.11.09 04:40:00 -
[124] - Quote
Captain Tardbar wrote:Tippia, if I may and if you are still online... Saying that EVE would not exist if they didn't try to make Dust is kind of absurd.
If you read my posts before, it is basically impossible with the current player numbers that Dust to make anywhere near as much money as EVE.
In that Dust is a money drain and a burden to EVE.
Sure if the next project is a success, then it won't be a problem, but if the projects cost more money than they make, then that is a problem.
If Valkyrie is a sucess (and I wouldn't mind it if it would be) then we won't have to be concerned, but so far the only attempt to go to market to expand the business has been a failure.
So there... The money spent on Dust could have went to EVE and got a better return. Not to jest, I read the forums, but Tippia was always over rated in terms of the likes / forum posts.
Just saying.
Her lack of proper retorts to pressing questions presented in this thread have indeed highlighted many chinks in the armour. |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2479
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Posted - 2013.11.10 17:58:00 -
[125] - Quote
Quote:16. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.
As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread.
3. Ranting is prohibited.
A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents.
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