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Hinata' Hyuga
The Dark Triad Atrocitas
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Posted - 2013.10.24 15:10:00 -
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Snakebyte Jack wrote:At least its easier to take a 'ninja-p i s s' under Tidi.
Not to mention Ninja Dinner, Ninja Dish Washiing, Ninja Laundry Unloading, Ninja Dog Walking, and a Ninja Nap. |
No Means No
University of Caille Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2013.10.24 15:13:00 -
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CCP uses tidi cause theres no broadband internet in iceland. |
Treborr MintingtonJr
The Knights of Spamalot The Methodical Alliance
19
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Posted - 2013.10.24 15:18:00 -
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TIDI is awesome, it means I can fight, go to the toilet and cook dinner (with greater success) at the same time. Might even have time to walk to Co-op and back :-) huzzah |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1473
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Posted - 2013.10.24 15:25:00 -
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Treborr MintingtonJr wrote:TIDI is awesome, it means I can fight, go to the toilet and cook dinner (with greater success) at the same time. Might even have time to walk to Co-op and back :-) huzzah Just wait until you discover the wonders of drone assist fleets. |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
564
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Posted - 2013.10.24 15:27:00 -
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Wow, I wish I wasn't too lazy to look up the link to the dev block that explained TiDi and the booming, almost deafening player applause that followed that blog.
I think no Dev ever received as much likes and "let me have your children Plx" comments as CCP Veritas at that time.
EDIT: Oh wait, I wasn't too lazy at all. http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/introducing-time-dilation-tidi/ Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
1753
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Posted - 2013.10.24 15:27:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:I recommend that people who are concerned by lag (since lag is actually the problem here, not TiDi) watch Veritas' presentation at this year's fanfest.
tl;dr: The "easy wins" vs the lag monster have been won. The remaining wins are going to be much harder (and will therefore take longer), but there are still some big wins available.
so to put things more simply,
They've trained "Lag Killing" to L4. Now they have L5, and Advanced Lag Killing.
Signal11th wrote:Velicitia wrote:Signal11th wrote:
Which is great if you are in the fight but not so great if you have no interest in the fight or participation but still have to suffer tidi for 2 hours whilst it goes on and your 10+ jumps away.
Personally Ive got better things to do with my time.
I never said it was a perfect solution ... but better that you're in TiDi than black-screening because of a fight 10 jumps out, isn't it? Not really no. What's the difference? I couldn't do what I had planned so closed the client and did something else so although petty I couldn't play the game to what I think is an acceptable standard because someone else somewhere else was playing his/her game.
Well, the biggest one is (lagging) "Jumped into system in [insert ship here], and blackscreened ... logged back in a few hours later to an alpha clone" vs. (TiDi) "Jumped into system with 10% TiDi ... dock up and log off til later". One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
564
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Posted - 2013.10.24 15:41:00 -
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Lugalbandak wrote:
yes indeed +1, what a outrage , WE WANT OUR BLACK SCREEN BACK CCP!
Indeed, indeed.
The blackscreens at least gave me a sense of entitlement, of being right, nobody could stand against the righteus fury of an interwebs spaceship captain that lost his ship to something as mundane as lag.
It was hilarious, really. Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
738
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Posted - 2013.10.24 15:55:00 -
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Is this kind of thread the reason why people used to say -A- is ****? Because that thread sure is... |
O'Ran
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
13
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Posted - 2013.10.24 16:01:00 -
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lol |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
239
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Posted - 2013.10.24 18:05:00 -
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Fanbois: "Yay! TiDi is our saviour!"
Me: "TiDi effectively turns regions of space from a realtime game into a turn-based one. No one should be patting themselves on the back with TiDi, because bottom line large fleet battles still suck. If players and FC's have enough time to click a button, go to the local variety store and come back before needing to do another input, someone has lost the plot on what a realtime MMO is..."
I was there, and this discussion should not around 'how does/doesn't TiDi help'. The question should be "CCP, what is your strategic plan for fixing it so that fleet battles are no longer the turn-based vaporware they are today?"
...Sorry, but each time people start heralding TiDi as the second-coming, I on the contrary reflect on the pee/sh!t bucket I needed to keep at my desk during the one big fight I took part in. What happens CCP, when word gets out en mass that the epic large fleet battles of Eve are in substance a lie? Would you like to know more? |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
938
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Posted - 2013.10.24 18:08:00 -
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Harkonnens suck ass
ORDOS VICTOR High Priestess Designate, Heir to The Vestibule of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh |
baltec1
Bat Country
8353
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Posted - 2013.10.24 18:10:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Fanbois: "Yay! TiDi is our saviour!" Me: "TiDi effectively turns regions of space from a realtime game into a turn-based one. No one should be patting themselves on the back with TiDi, because bottom line large fleet battles still suck. If players and FC's have enough time to click a button, go to the local variety store and come back before needing to do another input, someone has lost the plot on what a realtime MMO is..." I was there, and this discussion should not around 'how does/doesn't TiDi help'. The question should be "CCP, what is your strategic plan for fixing it so that fleet battles are no longer the turn-based vaporware they are today?" ...Sorry, but each time people start heralding TiDi as the second-coming, I on the contrary reflect on the pee/sh!t bucket I needed to keep at my desk during the one big fight I took part in. What happens CCP, when word gets out en mass that the epic large fleet battles of Eve are in substance a lie?
How is it a lie when 4000 people are beating eachother in the face?
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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
763
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Posted - 2013.10.24 18:10:00 -
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Treborr MintingtonJr wrote:TIDI is awesome, it means I can fight, go to the toilet and cook dinner (with greater success) at the same time. Might even have time to walk to Co-op and back :-) huzzah
After getting killed the first time in the BL fight, I self-destructed, went and walked the dogs, got something to eat, got back and still hadn't gotten back to station.....
I too am excited about trading playability for more lag and shiny pictures.....:( Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17094
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Posted - 2013.10.24 18:15:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Fanbois: "Yay! TiDi is our saviour!"
Me: "TiDi effectively turns regions of space from a realtime game into a turn-based one." No more turn-based than it already is.
Quote:Sorry, but each time people start heralding TiDi as the second-coming, I on the contrary reflect on the pee/sh!t bucket I needed to keep at my desk during the one big fight I took part in. Fair enough. Back before the second coming, you had plenty of time to go to the loo once you blackscreened, disconnected, and then had no ability to log in and play the game for the next 8 hoursGǪ
And no, the large fleet battles are not a lie, largely thanks to TiDi (again, in sharp contrast to the past where it wasn't so much a large fleet battle as a mutual disconnect-fest). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
239
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Posted - 2013.10.24 18:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote: ... And no, the large fleet battles are not a lie, largely thanks to TiDi (again, in sharp contrast to the past where it wasn't so much a large fleet battle as a mutual disconnect-fest).
Well, as I said....
"What does boggle though is how many players (and fanbois trolling the EVEO forums) are stuck in a sad Stokholm-syndrome of having lived with this poor infrastructure & architecture for so long, that any improvement is cause for jubilation and blind tongue-bathing of CCP's efforts...
'TiDi purgatory slowness isn't so bad, you should have seen when we were in disconnect hell...' " Would you like to know more? |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
187
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Posted - 2013.10.24 18:25:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Posting in a stealth buff icelandic server hamsters thread.
forget the hamsters, what we need are viking of the Eric the Red type but on roids running in a big wheel to power the server.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17095
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Posted - 2013.10.24 18:30:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: GǪthe fights happen whether you like it or not, so calling them a lie is itself a lie.
No matter how much you rage over this disconnect between the reality of the situation and your wishes that it were otherwise, and no matter how much you heap abuse over people who enjoy being able to play the game, the fact remains that they're able to play the game. What boggles the mind is that you think they should be unhappy because of this. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
239
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Posted - 2013.10.24 18:42:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: GǪthe fights happen whether you like it or not, so calling them a lie is itself a lie. No matter how much you rage over it and heap abuse over people who enjoy being able to play the game, the fact remains that they're able to play the game. What boggles the mind is that you think they should be unhappy because of this. Question Tippia..
Will the architecture and infrastructure that today results in high TiDi during the much heralded large fleet battle get budget to fix its horrible performance sooner or later (or never), if people like you get the community to bury head in the sand ala Stokholm syndrome?
I ask this, because you seem to think you are doing the EvE community a service with your fanboism and 'nothing to see here, move along' crap, but its actually people that say the emperor has no clothes that drive positive change. For example, remember that little episode around micro transactions and pay to win? Was that reversed because asshats like you said 'nothing to see here', or because people railed against it?
p.s. Were you a writer for Pravda during the Russian Berlin-wall era? I recognize your writing style I think... Would you like to know more? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4789
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Posted - 2013.10.24 18:45:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Tippia wrote: ... And no, the large fleet battles are not a lie, largely thanks to TiDi (again, in sharp contrast to the past where it wasn't so much a large fleet battle as a mutual disconnect-fest).
Well, as I said.... "What does boggle though is how many players (and fanbois trolling the EVEO forums) are stuck in a sad Stokholm-syndrome of having lived with this poor infrastructure & architecture for so long, that any improvement is cause for jubilation and blind tongue-bathing of CCP's efforts... 'TiDi purgatory slowness isn't so bad, you should have seen when we were in disconnect hell...' " Ahh yes, several thousand people fighting in the same battle is a sign of "poor infrastructure & architecture".
Perhaps you could direct us to someone that accomplishes this better?
Should be easy to do right? To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4789
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Posted - 2013.10.24 18:49:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Tippia wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: GǪthe fights happen whether you like it or not, so calling them a lie is itself a lie. No matter how much you rage over it and heap abuse over people who enjoy being able to play the game, the fact remains that they're able to play the game. What boggles the mind is that you think they should be unhappy because of this. Question Tippia.. Will the architecture and infrastructure that today results in high TiDi during the much heralded large fleet battle get budget to fix its horrible performance sooner or later (or never), if people like you get the community to bury head in the sand ala Stokholm syndrome? I ask this, because you seem to think you are doing the EvE community a service with your fanboism and 'nothing to see here, move along' crap, but its actually people that say the emperor has no clothes that drive positive change. For example, remember that little episode around micro transactions and pay to win? Was that reversed because asshats like you said 'nothing to see here', or because people railed against it? p.s. Were you a writer for Pravda during the Russian Berlin-wall era? I recognize your writing style I think... I think you are confusing "Stokholm Syndrome" with "understanding the limitations of technology".
As a side note, you do realize that there was never a plan to implement a pay to win scheme right?
Or is this another case of using a catch phrase (Stolkhom Syndrome, pay to win) incorrectly... To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17095
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Posted - 2013.10.24 18:51:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Will the architecture and infrastructure that today results in high TiDi during the much heralded large fleet battle get budget to fix its horrible performance sooner or later (or never), if people like you get the community to bury head in the sand ala Stokholm syndrome? What horrible performance?
Oh, and you need to read up on what Stockholm syndrome is because it's not what you think it is. Yes, the servers will be (and are being) upgraded continuously as better tech comes along since that's how CCP maintains its industry epeen. Whether you're being abusive to the community or not is not a factor. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
239
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Posted - 2013.10.24 18:57:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Well, as I said.... "What does boggle though is how many players (and fanbois trolling the EVEO forums) are stuck in a sad Stokholm-syndrome of having lived with this poor infrastructure & architecture for so long, that any improvement is cause for jubilation and blind tongue-bathing of CCP's efforts... 'TiDi purgatory slowness isn't so bad, you should have seen when we were in disconnect hell...' " Ahh yes, several thousand people fighting in the same battle is a sign of "poor infrastructure & architecture". Perhaps you could direct us to someone that accomplishes this better? Should be easy to do right?
I noticed two things in your response Ranger 1 in the classic trolling & red-herring deflection genre...
1) You used an abstract measure like 'fighting', without mentioning said 'fighting' took place in a TiDi bubble of molasses, where each move and counter move had up to an hour (or more) between them. Yes, truly compelling online & realtime gameplay to be heralded as a panacea of MMO excellence to be sure...
2) You then tried to deflect ownership by CCP of this crap game experience by asking if anyone else has fixed this problem. Honestly, I don't care what other MMO's have or haven't done, I only care about the one I have paid fees towards are doing as a contrast between what is advertised ('massive online player battles rawr!') and the reality of big fleet battles simply sucking.
Tippia and Ranger 1, I was there. Were you? Would you like to know more? |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
939
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Posted - 2013.10.24 18:59:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: classic trolling & red-herring deflection genre...
Classic "You disagree, you must be trolling" schoolyard name calling at its finest
Just be a man and concede will ya High Priestess Designate, Heir to The Vestibule of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17097
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Posted - 2013.10.24 19:12:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Honestly, I don't care what other MMO's have or haven't done Then you have no basis for calling it horrible performance, for saying that it's poor infrastructure and architecture, and thus the fundamental fallacy of your presupposition is exposed.
It's not trolling or deflection: it's pointing out that you are being abusive against people because you have set up unrealistic expectations and are angry that others take a far more pragmatic viewpoint. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4791
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Posted - 2013.10.24 19:18:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Well, as I said.... "What does boggle though is how many players (and fanbois trolling the EVEO forums) are stuck in a sad Stokholm-syndrome of having lived with this poor infrastructure & architecture for so long, that any improvement is cause for jubilation and blind tongue-bathing of CCP's efforts... 'TiDi purgatory slowness isn't so bad, you should have seen when we were in disconnect hell...' " Ahh yes, several thousand people fighting in the same battle is a sign of "poor infrastructure & architecture". Perhaps you could direct us to someone that accomplishes this better? Should be easy to do right? I noticed two things in your response Ranger 1 in the classic trolling & red-herring deflection genre... 1) You used an abstract measure like 'fighting', without mentioning said 'fighting' took place in a TiDi bubble of molasses, where each move and counter move had up to an hour (or more) between them. Yes, truly compelling online & realtime gameplay to be heralded as a panacea of MMO excellence to be sure... 2) You then tried to deflect ownership by CCP of this crap game experience by asking if anyone else has fixed this problem. Honestly, I don't care what other MMO's have or haven't done, I only care about the one I have paid fees towards are doing as a contrast between what is advertised ('massive online player battles rawr!') and the reality of big fleet battles simply sucking. Tippia and Ranger 1, I was there. Were you? I have been in countless large fleet battles, both before TIDI and after... and have a very valid basis for comparison. You, apparently, do not... and cannot even remotely back up your assertions of "poor infrastructure and architecture".
Still waiting for even one example of someone who does multi player battles of this scale better. To assert CCP has handled this poorly means that someone else must therefore have handled it better.
Even one will do...
Time to move on. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
239
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:01:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Honestly, I don't care what other MMO's have or haven't done Then you have no basis for calling it horrible performance, for saying that it's poor infrastructure and architecture, and thus the fundamental fallacy of your presupposition is exposed. It's not trolling or deflection: it's pointing out that you are being abusive against people because you have set up unrealistic expectations and are angry that others take a far more pragmatic viewpoint. Anything I pay for I expect not to suck. If an aspect of paid-for service does suck, I at least expect a concrete path to remedy & timeline from the provider. Large fleet battles in EvE suck (due to TiDi)
Now call me unrealistic or abusive for saying the emperor still has no clothes even with TiDi, but perhaps I wouldn't get so vocal about this if Pravda wanna-be apologist fanboi's like you weren't trying to bury said suck under the sand...
Ergo, the more you say 'nothing to see here' the more I shout from the mountaintops 'the EvE large fleet battle is a LIE'.
p.s. Is forum warrior all you do in EvE to accumulate your wealth of knowledge, because our alliance wardecced you the last time you went into CCP taint-licker mode and you didn't even log on once that whole time...do you actually play EvE?
Would you like to know more? |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1480
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:04:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:- Anything I pay for I expect not to suck. - If an aspect of paid-for service does suck, I at least expect a concrete path to remedy & timeline from the provider. - Large fleet battles in EvE suck (due to TiDi) I pay for my car. I get stuck in traffic. Getting stuck in traffic sucks. Ergo the car manufacturer sucks and I expect a concrete path to remedy & timeline from them. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17105
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:21:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:- Anything I pay for I expect not to suck. - If an aspect of paid-for service does suck, I at least expect a concrete path to remedy & timeline from the provider. - Large fleet battles in EvE suck (due to TiDi) GǪexcept, of course, that TiDi isn't what makes them suck, but rather what makes them possible. If you don't like large fleet fights, don't do them. The game is not to blame if you choose to make it sucky for yourself any more than a wine-maker is to blame if I choose to consume it aurally. Since I paid for it, it would be silly of me to waste it that way and make the whole experience suck.
So here's a concrete path and timeline for a remedy for you: don't do large fleet fights if you dislike them so much.
Quote:Ergo, the more you say 'nothing to see here' the more I shout from the mountaintops 'the EvE large fleet battle is a LIE'. GǪaside from the simple fact that they regularly happen. This means that your shouts are just lies on your part, and the more you lie, the less people will believe anything you say. No matter how much you keep claiming that the large fleet battles don't happen, they do GÇö lying about this fact (and being blatant about it) just because you don't like them doesn't change the reality of the situation. So my only question here is why you think that repeating your trivially disproven claims will in any way help your case.
You still have no basis for calling it horrible performance, for saying that it's poor infrastructure and architecture, and repeating the same ignorant suppositions won't suddenly make them true GÇö only make your lies and your unreliability increasing noticeable. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
738
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:27:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: Will the architecture and infrastructure that today results in high TiDi during the much heralded large fleet battle get budget to fix its horrible performance sooner or later (or never), if people like you get the community to bury head in the sand ala Stokholm syndrome?
It will be "fixed" when they get around to re-writing the whole game engine. Now realize that there are some parts of the code they don;t even know how it work because whoever made it left CCP and you get an idea of the size of the task it is. Putind a deadline on this would be ridiculous and thats why CCP basicly said "Bear with us, we are working on making things better while in the mean time we at least prevented the game from crashing completely." |
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
429
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:29:00 -
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TIDI - saving EVE slowly |
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