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Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2011.11.02 13:36:00 -
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You made a lot of people very happy when we saw the corp bookmarks released on SISI. We understand that it is a very early development version, but still, a couple of things that come to mind:
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- There should be a new grantable role for the corp bookmarks manegment. It would make it easier for the directors to be able to handle a new role, rather then juggle arround an existing role to make it work.
- It would be cool if you can set access rights for different BMs folders.
- The corp bookmark folder should be visible in the right-click menu in space, just like any other folder
- supposedly it takes like 5-10(?) min to update, which is perfect, please do not change that (i guess it's a server thing anyways). Some people might rage about it, but instant-corp-wide-bookmarks is not ideal, some time-buffer is required for it not to be overpowered in my opinion.
- If at all possible, subfolders in the corp-bookmarks folder would be an awesome addition.
- Another idea would be to create a second tab under the Places tab (sub-tab) rather then a special folder, so you would have a Personal tab and a Corp tab under the places tab. I don't know how would that impact the ability of copying bookmarks there, since its impossible to drag&drop with that kind of setup. Perhaps a right click option like "send to Corp"?
I will *try* update this list as feedback and ideas start being posted.
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Lanalor
Lapse Of Sanity Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.11.02 14:13:00 -
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Firstly +1 to corp bookmarks.
Secondly, Asayanami has hit all the major faults with the current itteration of the corp BM system.
The best ideas there being roles associated with the corp BMs and moving them to a separate tab with sub folders with multiple levels of access.
Overall, awesome to see this coming, but does need a few changes to be useful.
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Liu Ellens
Blame The Bunny The Dark Nation
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Posted - 2011.11.02 14:25:00 -
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I just read about this, coming from General Discussion -- I haven't experienced it first hand yet.
Out of genuine interest: Why shouldn't they be transmitted instantly to all corp members? What is an example of an overpowered situation? (The only one that comes to my mind is the scout giving a bookmark of the found victim - but then again, the others could do a warp to that scout as fleet member anyway...?)
edit: ok thinking through that situation, that scout would pass on a bookmark of the target and not himself, who is 30+km off for safety. Ok, I can see that hot-drop-o-clock scenario. But stil... bad?
I'm ok with the other suggestions so far though. I'm a little freighter - short and stout; This is my cargo, this is my route. When I get a lock-on, I scream and shout: "Light up a cyno!" and jump on out. |
Cipreh
Clann Fian Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.11.02 14:28:00 -
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+1 (Hell yeah, corp bookmarks) |
Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2011.11.02 14:28:00 -
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Liu Ellens wrote:I just read about this, coming from General Discussion -- I haven't experienced it first hand yet.
Out of genuine interest: Why shouldn't they be transmitted instantly to all corp members? What is an example of an overpowered situation? (The only one that comes to my mind is the scout giving a bookmark of the found victim - but then again, the others could do a warp to that scout as fleet member anyway...?)
I'm ok with the other suggestions so far though.
"If a scout can move six systems down the cluster by himself, finds a PVEing fleet and bookmarks a wreck that is 120 KM away inside a cloud of decloaking objects, then turn all those BMs into corp BMs - then the scout doesn't even need to leave grid in order to provide a squad warp to the wreck, no need to exchange BMs."
Which basically means you get instant-warpable points on grid for everyone in fleet and not even on grid. It is a bit overpowered IMHO.
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jonnykefka
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2011.11.02 14:35:00 -
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I disagree with my esteemed corpmate about the update time, but non-instantaneous updating does seem reasonable if only for technical reasons. Maybe 2 minutes rather than 5-10? 5 minutes is a maximum, I would say.
However, with that periodic updating, could we get a timestamp as to when the folder last updated? This is less important if it ends up being only a 2 minute delay, but if it's a longer delay it would be really nice to know how out-of-date the folder is.
I'm also not a fan of the extra tab idea. Keeping it as a folder in the same window will make copying back and forth much easier.
I'm sure I'll have more feedback when I get to play around with it myself. However, that it is on Sisi at all is wonderful. I'm really looking forward to seeing this in the winter expansion. |
Liu Ellens
Blame The Bunny The Dark Nation
7
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Posted - 2011.11.02 14:36:00 -
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Thanks for the example - in parallel I did an edit of my previous post that had me thinking further. I see the reasoning but so far don't see strong indications for needing them non-instant, I'd still expect them to be instant.
Perhaps it's about separating cases - are you referring to BM inside missions? Those I didn't think of and I could understand a delay - I guess only salvagers would use/need them; I thought more of the PVP, WH, Strategic applications, which should be instant I'd guess. I'm a little freighter - short and stout; This is my cargo, this is my route. When I get a lock-on, I scream and shout: "Light up a cyno!" and jump on out. |
Lanalor
Lapse Of Sanity Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.11.02 14:52:00 -
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If it dosent get a separate tab for whatever reason, then it at least needs sub folders, which as far as I am aware, you cant do with the current folder system. |
Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2011.11.02 14:52:00 -
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There are cases where instant bookmark sharing would be desirable and there are cases where it seems overpowered.
Like I said, in my personal opinion there should be a small delay.
W-Space scenario:
Scout jumps in to a newly scanned wormhole, finds a fleet inside running an Anomaly, warps there, bookmarks a wreck closest to the hostiles.
He has now a couple of options: - He can fly closer to the hostiles, providing a warp in with his own ship - he can fly back to the system he came from and share the bookmark with his fleet - he can fleet-warp the fleet to the bookmark
all of the above require fast thinking, tactics, make it interesting.
Now with instant bookmark sharing all he needs to do is bookmark a wreck, share it, and wait for his fleet to come and kill everything on grid. No tactics, no decision making involved. An easy WIN button.
With a small delay it is a bit different, because you may decide to do one of the previously stated 'tactics' to get your fleet on grid FASTER then the delay time is. So it still gives you a choice of what to do in a certain situation.
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Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2011.11.02 14:53:00 -
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double post...
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Tashanaka
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2011.11.02 14:54:00 -
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jonnykefka wrote:I disagree with my esteemed corpmate about the update time, but non-instantaneous updating does seem reasonable if only for technical reasons. Maybe 2 minutes rather than 5-10? 5 minutes is a maximum, I would say...
I'm sure it is a server issue but there is also game balance issue too. 5-minutes seems like a nice sweet spot between too OP and waiting forever.
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Meltmind2
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2011.11.02 15:18:00 -
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A 5 minute delay would be fine, it's enough to give everyone a route to the target system, but not enough to give an actual warpin on the targets, thus preventing it from being OP. |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.11.02 15:53:00 -
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I think the plan is to make a new role, though CCP does have a limited number of roles (they are implemented with a bit mask, and I think on a 32-bit number, though maybe they moved to a 64-bit number now). I suggested re-using communications manager if they were low on role bits.
I think they are supposed to show up when right clicking in space, if that isn't working yet it is probably because they aren't done yet.
I am also working on getting the names of the CCP devs responsible, so they can be rewarded properly at FF... :) CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog What does CSM 6 do? |
Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2011.11.02 16:46:00 -
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Two step wrote:I think the plan is to make a new role, though CCP does have a limited number of roles (they are implemented with a bit mask, and I think on a 32-bit number, though maybe they moved to a 64-bit number now). I suggested re-using communications manager if they were low on role bits.
I think they are supposed to show up when right clicking in space, if that isn't working yet it is probably because they aren't done yet.
I am also working on getting the names of the CCP devs responsible, so they can be rewarded properly at FF... :)
The devs responsible should swim in beer at fanfest. <3
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Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.11.02 17:08:00 -
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Asayanami Dei wrote:The devs responsible should swim in beer at fanfest. <3
Word on the street is that it is mostly CCP Tuxford to thank. Don't give him too much beer, or he will trip over the cord to TQ again though! CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog What does CSM 6 do? |
Nash MacAllister
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2011.11.02 17:34:00 -
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This would be great to see... |
Geldorf Drakar
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.11.02 18:11:00 -
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It's time the folks in wormholes got a bit more lovin... +1 all the way. While the rest of EVE will benefit quite a bit, those of us who live in wormholes will feel the greatest positive impact.
Not that I wouldn't absolutely love to be able to use corp bookmarks to get warpins for PvP, but to be fair even a 5 min delay could be too short of a time delay. I'd actually have to say 10-15min would be ideal from the standpoint of preventing corp bookmarks from becoming overpowered.
Alternatively..... a 2-5 min delay, and make it so that corp bookmarks can only be added to when uncloaked. Such would prevent cloaky scouts from providing the rest of the fleet a warpin. I suppose it depends on how the mechanics will work... BM straight to corp BM's... BM to personal and then move to corp... etc. |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.11.02 18:16:00 -
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I guess despite the issues raised here, I don't see why I can't instantly send X,Y,Z Coords to ANYONE I want. I realize that for historical reasons this might be strange in eve, but really if a scout and nail everything down and send bms then GREAT Imagine playing Donkey Kong where every barrel looks like it hits you. Would you rather I fix the barrels or Kong's shadow?
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Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2011.11.02 18:23:00 -
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Apollo Gabriel wrote:I guess despite the issues raised here, I don't see why I can't instantly send X,Y,Z Coords to ANYONE I want. I realize that for historical reasons this might be strange in eve, but really if a scout and nail everything down and send bms then GREAT
While it makes perfect sense on paper (since this is the future and what not), I think it's simply too big of an advantage.
I think that what Geldorf Drakar said makes perfect sense
Quote:make it so that corp bookmarks can only be added to when uncloaked. Such would prevent cloaky scouts from providing the rest of the fleet a warpin. I suppose it depends on how the mechanics will work... BM straight to corp BM's... BM to personal and then move to corp... etc.
It pretty much solves the problem from my point of view, you can either risk being seen and share the bookmarks, or utilize one of the tactics mentioned already, either way, it gives you a choice, I like it and im adding it to the first post.
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Lenid Kalkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.11.02 18:30:00 -
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I'll go ahead and second Asayanami Dei's comments on instantaneous shared bookmarks being OP for nullsec as well. A 5-15m delay seems very reasonable. |
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Nalda Selene
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2011.11.02 18:43:00 -
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Asayanami Dei wrote:I think that what Geldorf Drakar said makes perfect sense Quote:make it so that corp bookmarks can only be added to when uncloaked. Such would prevent cloaky scouts from providing the rest of the fleet a warpin. I suppose it depends on how the mechanics will work... BM straight to corp BM's... BM to personal and then move to corp... etc. It pretty much solves the problem from my point of view, you can either risk being seen and share the bookmarks, or utilize one of the tactics mentioned already, either way, it gives you a choice, I like it and im adding it to the first post.
It also makes sense in a "realism" sense. If you're operating cloaked, which implies you're trying to hide/not be seen, would you actually transmit something, which would give away your presence, if not your actual location? |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2011.11.02 18:46:00 -
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Two step wrote:Asayanami Dei wrote:The devs responsible should swim in beer at fanfest. <3 Word on the street is that it is mostly CCP Tuxford to thank. Don't give him too much beer, or he will trip over the cord to TQ again though! Tuxford is just full of win, isn't he?
Yeah, with some of the "professional scouts" I know of in game, "instant" anything is OP!
(srsly - some scouts are just scary good!)
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Candente
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2011.11.02 18:52:00 -
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Good news.
I think a two-fold system would be even more ideal: faster update of corporate bookmarks when the ship is uncloaked, while slow update to corp bookmarks when the ship is cloaked. Not only it will balance pvp, but also makes it easier to share bookmarks for non-pvp situations easily. |
crondarin
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2011.11.02 18:55:00 -
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A few Points i have seen about Corp BM's
I Love them :) :) (to the point my bank manager is going to have words with me after Fanfest after the amount of beer i'm going to be buying the devs) There Should be a delay (see above posters as to reasons why,"no easy gank method") atm there not there when you right click in space (have to do it through people and places tab), CCP have stated they should be but may not be implemented yet. You should be able to have sub folders in the corp BM (perhaps with corp roles having access to different ones) make it when you creat a Bookmark have a check box to make for corp or personal use, but keep the option to copy them as well between both.
thats all i can think off atm i'll keep playing with them on sisi once i sort out my graphics problem on sisi (bug report raised for this) |
Nonnori Ikkala
Love for You Forsaken.Empire
5
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Posted - 2011.11.02 19:01:00 -
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As one of the TAC-makers of my corp, I approve! None of this namby-pamby of not having TACs off gates anymore for them.
I like many of the suggestions above, and look forward to the results of further CCP iteration on the feature. |
Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2011.11.02 21:56:00 -
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Candente wrote:Good news.
I think a two-fold system would be even more ideal: faster update of corporate bookmarks when the ship is uncloaked, while slow update to corp bookmarks when the ship is cloaked. Not only it will balance pvp, but also makes it easier to share bookmarks for non-pvp situations easily. I think that would be pushing it and it sounds hard to make, it's a good idea tho, but the 'no bookmark sharing while cloaked' idea is simple and works :)
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Abbadon Karis
Aperture Harmonics K162
0
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Posted - 2011.11.02 22:00:00 -
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+1 !
Less time delay means faster pvp and in some cases maybe more pvp, that's not a bad option in my opinion. 2-5 min seems ok but 10 min might be to long to get the action even started. On the other hand it also might take a fleet 10min to form up before ready as well so my opinion is a bit split between yes and no on the 10min time delay.
I can see the aspect of doing pve will get harder with little time delay, but pvp will get better, depends on which side your on. |
Matuk Grymwal
Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita
0
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Posted - 2011.11.02 23:42:00 -
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+1 Fantastic to finally see this.
A delay seems reasonable to me for all the reasons discussed. Totally agree on the role as well. I don't like the idea of variable delays depending on cloakiness though. I'm more open to the idea of not being able to create corp bookmarks at all while cloaked however. |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce Masters of Flying Objects
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Posted - 2011.11.03 03:09:00 -
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While we are working on BM code. BM need to have a time current feature so some BM auto delete. Corp BM will get very full very fast unless there is a easy way to delete them.
I suggest some selection buttons be added to the bm naming popup. If you have the role there should be a corp bm check and 2 time checks, 24 hours, 72 hours. If a time is not selected. it will not auto delete. This will help keep the bm data base cleaner and will help out everyone. |
ShadowandLight
Cryptonym Sleepers Moon Warriors
4
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Posted - 2011.11.03 04:12:00 -
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Yo.. CCP.
Thank you, this is a huge addition to the game! |
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