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Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
565
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Posted - 2013.10.15 10:51:00 -
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I'm sorry to hear about your RL situation but I don't think it should in any way effect the way people are treated in game.
There are many people who suffer real life issues from minor illness to battling terminal illness, all of these people play EVE knowing what it is. Being scammed and killed by others sucks, but it's someone any player no matter their RL state should have to consider when logging in, any kind of special treatment from CCP would go against what the game is built on. That's not to say there wont be players who have a kind heart and will take RL considerations into account, maybe you yourself could form a corporation where the focus is a place for people with problems in their RL can come and break away for a while in EVE.
obligatory can I have you stuff message. Lieutenant Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District |
adarma
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.10.15 10:52:00 -
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Ra Jackson wrote:Riot Girl wrote:J3ssica Alba wrote:A good % of Eve players are borderline sociopaths who justify their actions with "but this is Eve".
sorry to hear about your situation and hope you get better. Yeah, so many sociopaths in this game, that's why I always try my hardest to make the game as nice as possible for as many people as I can. Doing things to help people out makes me feel good and I like to think I bring some happiness to the people I help too, especially people like OP who are sick and probably need something to cheer them up in life. If they need cheering up, they should probably not play the most unforgiving MMO out there. btw - the sociopaths are the ones that compare Eve to RL, or bring RL issues into the game. Nobody cares.
You have a point! One other concern however is the possibility that some ruthless, heartless and evil people in the game are not "just" RP''ing. Now... that is scary... |
Kaar
Rionnag Alba The Fourth District
2
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Posted - 2013.10.15 10:59:00 -
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Nobody conned you. You jumped to a cyno that wasnt even part of the corp you were joining, you're an idiot. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
1775
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Posted - 2013.10.15 11:04:00 -
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Psyrus Baine wrote:You know I haven't played eve in over 2 years because I been in the hospital fighting colon cancer and going through chemo treatments, I been in remission for the last 4 weeks and decided to join a active corp and play some eve while feeling partially human before having to go back in a couple weeks for more tests in hope it stays gone. .
I hope the people that decided it would be fun to Conn me into joining them so they could gank both my characters carriers with all my stuff loaded for moving into a new corp I hope your proud of yourself for taking the opportunity of someone being drugged up with not as much caution as I would normally take. Due to not really thinking about much except trying to get my mind off of having to go through chemo treatments again for a cheap kill. God help you for that.
There is plenty of old eve players that know me and can confirm my being in and out the hospital for the last 4 years. I hope killing my carriers and blowing up my stuff was worth the thrill. To those of you who know and or knew me I wish I could of played just a little longer before ending up back in the hospital but I don't have the drive to fight being conned in a game and deal with reality. To my friends that still do play and remember me I hope you fly safe and maybe if god is on my side I might be back to play again someday.
Why should everybody all of a sudden be expected to know you have this condition? Dude, good work on the guilt trip, but you have no sympathy from me. You knew exactly what kind of game you were getting yourself into when you logged in. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
GreGh Rakrot
Rionnag Alba The Fourth District
16
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Posted - 2013.10.15 11:26:00 -
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I guess I should shed some light on this situation since it came this far.
Psyrus Baine was member of Rionnag Alba in 2008-09. Was fairly active but then started playing less and less and eventually quit EVE due to being in hospital all the time receiving cancer treatment. He came back to the game recently and inquired if he could rejoin. I knew him so I told him he can. We talked ingame in R A public channel where Aussie Willy (CEO of Ever Flow and member of NCdot) was present as well. Important to know is we recently left NCdot on good terms after being there for 3 years since the formation of the alliance. We also always had good relationship with Aussie Willy and Ever Flow.
Today Psyrus Baine logged in to move his stuff to low sec and then apply to our corp as agreed. Aussie Willy used the fact that previously with me present we all chatted in very friendly terms and convinced Psyrus that he will sort him a cyno which Psyrus accepted. Aussie Willy of course couldnt have known about Psyrus' medical condition so he cant be condemned for that, but he did abuse our friendship in convincing Psyrus to trust him. Never the less, Psyrus should have known better not to trust random people in public channel but I guess he wasnt in best state of mind due to anticancer drugs and was misguided by the friendly way Aussie Willy and myself chatted and joked in said public channel.
EVE is harsh game and people cant usually know what is happening to other players in RL when they blow up their spaceship pixels, so calling them sociopaths for that is unnecessary. Abusing long term friendship even if its only ingame is another thing but that is partially my fault in allowing Aussie Willy to abuse that in the first place.
Psyrus I wish you good luck with your treatment and recovery. You also shouldnt try to get some sort of recognition on forums as they are universally not trusted and in general not really the best place to vent your feelings. Dont let some imaginary spaceship pixels get you down. After all life is so much more then this hobby we call EVE. |
Magnolya
Mariolas
0
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Posted - 2013.10.15 11:29:00 -
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This is the same reason why when I drink a lot, I dont play EVE. If you are playing the game without being 100% of your gaming abilities, face the consequences of your actions, and dont be a coward hiding behind the "Oh I wont play anymore, I am so sick and dieing".
For the rest, its a harsh sandbox, they **** your spaceships if you dont play it right |
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
240
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Posted - 2013.10.15 11:47:00 -
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Psyrus Baine wrote:I was not posting for you but to the people that actually remember me.
If that is indeed the case (which I very much doubt) then your OP was a failure on another level. There would have been many much better media to contact your old buddies. Their corp forums, in-games channels, direct in-game mails or if you really wanted to do a eve-o forum post then at least you could have chosen the OOPE section.
But no.
You had to choose GD, the second largest cesspool of the whole of eve-o forums.
Fail... just.. fail.
Other than that, good luck with your RL issues. Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Labs Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
Yuix Grislin
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2013.10.15 11:52:00 -
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Welcome back to EVE. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
1777
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Posted - 2013.10.15 11:54:00 -
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GreGh Rakrot wrote:I guess I should shed some light on this situation since it came this far.
Psyrus Baine was member of Rionnag Alba in 2008-09. Was fairly active but then started playing less and less and eventually quit EVE due to being in hospital all the time receiving cancer treatment. He came back to the game recently and inquired if he could rejoin. I knew him so I told him he can. We talked ingame in R A public channel where Aussie Willy (CEO of Ever Flow and member of NCdot) was present as well. Important to know is we recently left NCdot on good terms after being there for 3 years since the formation of the alliance. We also always had good relationship with Aussie Willy and Ever Flow.
Today Psyrus Baine logged in to move his stuff to low sec and then apply to our corp as agreed. Aussie Willy used the fact that previously with me present we all chatted in very friendly terms and convinced Psyrus that he will sort him a cyno which Psyrus accepted. Aussie Willy of course couldnt have known about Psyrus' medical condition so he cant be condemned for that, but he did abuse our friendship in convincing Psyrus to trust him. Never the less, Psyrus should have known better not to trust random people in public channel but I guess he wasnt in best state of mind due to anticancer drugs and was misguided by the friendly way Aussie Willy and myself chatted and joked in said public channel.
EVE is harsh game and people cant usually know what is happening to other players in RL when they blow up their spaceship pixels, so calling them sociopaths for that is unnecessary. Abusing long term friendship even if its only ingame is another thing but that is partially my fault in allowing Aussie Willy to abuse that in the first place.
Psyrus I wish you good luck with your treatment and recovery. You also shouldnt try to get some sort of recognition on forums as they are universally not trusted and in general not really the best place to vent your feelings. Dont let some imaginary spaceship pixels get you down. After all life is so much more then this hobby we call EVE.
Sure, this shines a lot of light on the situation. It reveals the fact that the situation in no way called for a public forum post condemning almost everyone in the game when a PM to the person responsible would have been sufficient. It's easy to call people sociopaths when you're angry that they don't conform to your own standards of morality, but everyone is different, people don't like people that are different to them, and more importantly, we're playing a video game here. There are no sociopaths because you don't know a damn thing about a single player to make that diagnosis, nor do I expect anyone here possesses the necessary qualifications to diagnose sociopathy.
Secondly, as a diagnosed ACTUAL sociopath myself, a comorbid condition that is commonly associated with the developmental disorder autism, I don't appreciate the negative connotations that are associated with the word. Not that there's much I can do about it, but one thing people need to realise is that one is not a bad person just by virtue of being sociopathic. In fact, there are many sociopaths living perfectly normal lives all around us, in real life, on a daily basis. I take no offence being called a sociopath because I am one, I take offence because it's intended as an insult as a result of nothing but anger.
Finally, having cancer is not an excuse for mercy in this game. As I stated above, you know what you're getting yourself into the moment you log in to this game. Every time you undock, you've already signed a contract saying that you agree to lose the ship you have undocked in. It should be the expectation on everyone's mind for the duration of their time in that ship, whether they lose it or not. If he wanted a game to help him take his mind off things, he could have chosen something a little more forgiving.
But at the end of the day, there is absolutely no excuse and no reason to post the way he did in the OP. It makes him the bad guy at the end of the day. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1405
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Posted - 2013.10.15 12:02:00 -
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This was definitely threadworthy. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16998
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Posted - 2013.10.15 12:05:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:J3ssica Alba wrote:A good % of Eve players are borderline sociopaths who justify their actions with "but this is Eve".
sorry to hear about your situation and hope you get better. Yeah, so many sociopaths in this game GǪwho jump to conclusions about other people's intentions and motivations without any real indication or knowledge thereof GÇö in particular they presume malice without evidence; who ridiculously assume that their knowledge and perception is universal, rather than just their own post-facto constructions; and who arbitrarily assign deeply binary morals based on all these baseless assumptions.
So here are a few questions:
1. In what way is the OP's medical condition relevant to what did and/or what should have happened to him? 2. To what degree was hos condition recognised and/or referenced by the attackers? 3. How is the OP's state qualitatively different than if he had just been drunk or hopped up on weed? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Druthlen
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2013.10.15 12:14:00 -
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Read about 4 posts deep. Skipped the rest. Just wanted to say I am glad to have heard your story. 1st reason: I didnt actually think ppl in eve were that low to betray someone they know. I will be more careful of even my closest ally now. I under stand why POS rights only go to people you know IRL. 2nd reason: May be an ******* but I enjoyed the tears. Can I have your stuff? 3rd reason: Ive been in the hospital. I understand and I hope you pull through.
This post made me wiser, more cautious and made me laugh. Thanks.
Oh BTW you friends are ass hats. But then again I guess so am I. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1406
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Posted - 2013.10.15 12:20:00 -
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Druthlen wrote:1st reason: I didnt actually think ppl in eve were that low to betray someone they know. I will be more careful of even my closest ally now. I under stand why POS rights only go to people you know IRL.
Wow, really?
In all seriousness, it is good you found out this way.
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
1759
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Posted - 2013.10.15 12:21:00 -
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Tippia wrote:1. In what way is the OP's medical condition relevant to what did and/or what should have happened to him? 2. To what degree was hos condition recognised and/or referenced by the attackers? 3. How is the OP's state qualitatively different than if he had just been drunk or hopped up on weed? I don't care about those things Tippia. I just want to touch hearts and minds with my honest intentions. Some people just need to be reassured that good people still exist in the world.
Oh god. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1406
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Posted - 2013.10.15 12:24:00 -
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You can touch something else of mine with your honest intentions. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
1759
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Posted - 2013.10.15 12:27:00 -
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I'll touch everyone because I feel humility is an important virtue. Oh god. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1406
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Posted - 2013.10.15 12:29:00 -
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Well then you'll soon see why it's so hard for me to stay humble. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
adarma
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.10.15 12:34:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Riot Girl wrote:J3ssica Alba wrote:A good % of Eve players are borderline sociopaths who justify their actions with "but this is Eve".
sorry to hear about your situation and hope you get better. Yeah, so many sociopaths in this game GǪwho jump to conclusions about other people's intentions and motivations without any real indication or knowledge thereof GÇö in particular they presume malice without evidence; who ridiculously assume that their knowledge and perception is universal, rather than just their own post-facto constructions; and who arbitrarily assign deeply binary morals based on all these baseless assumptions. So here are a few questions: 1. In what way is the OP's medical condition relevant to what did and/or what should have happened to him? 2. To what degree was hos condition recognised and/or referenced by the attackers? 3. How is the OP's state qualitatively different than if he had just been drunk or hopped up on weed?
Nice mechanical analysis and cold interrogation. But you are right, it is too much to expect a simple, symphatetic "sorry" these days, even for someone who is dying.
And yes, there are many sociopaths in this game. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
512
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Posted - 2013.10.15 12:34:00 -
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Unfortunately there are some real life low lifers that play EvE. I think there is a big difference between playing a low life in game which is what I and many other people do, and actually being a low life in game because you're one out of game.
It sounds like your gankers, who you thought were friends and who knew you had being going through a hard time are simply scum out of game, as well as in it.
There seems to be a trend where these people try to beat the last lot of slimeballs in deliberately upping the antagonism for people out of game. When you cross the boundary between harmful behavior in game and deliberately harming people out of game I think that's when CCP should step in and give out warnings and then bans for repeat behaviour.
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
1759
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Posted - 2013.10.15 12:35:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Well then you'll soon see why it's so hard for me to stay humble. You don't have to worry about that. I'm quite competent at changing a person's outlook on life. Oh god. |
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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
455
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Posted - 2013.10.15 12:36:00 -
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If your situation is as bad as you say then you know how insignificant some fake space ships are. Suck it up and have a laugh about it because things can always be worse.... |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
512
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Posted - 2013.10.15 12:43:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:If your situation is as bad as you say then you know how insignificant some fake space ships are. Suck it up and have a laugh about it because things can always be worse.... Sometimes when you have been going through a traumatic experience, and being close to death is certainly one of those times, you desperately want to find something to take your mind of things.
Going back to a game or rereading a book you read when everything was good etc is a good form of self medication, the opposite of alcohol and drugs if you like.
What they did is in my opinion inexcusable, viscous and nasty. If he'd been ganked randomly is one thing but to have people deliberately con you and target you because you're vulnerable given his situation, its downright disturbing. |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
905
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Posted - 2013.10.15 12:46:00 -
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Having cancer doesnt make you immune to making bad choices in a videogame. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
512
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Posted - 2013.10.15 12:51:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:Having cancer doesnt make you immune to making bad choices in a videogame. You'll change your mind if you ever get it |
Bounty Setter
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.10.15 12:56:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: but to have people deliberately con you and target you because you're vulnerable given his situation, its downright disturbing. I suggest you go back and read the thread. It has already been stated that the people involved didn't know about his situation.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
512
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Posted - 2013.10.15 12:59:00 -
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Bounty Setter wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: but to have people deliberately con you and target you because you're vulnerable given his situation, its downright disturbing. I suggest you go back and read the thread. It has already been stated that the people involved didn't know about his situation. Sure. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
1779
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Posted - 2013.10.15 13:01:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Tippia wrote:1. In what way is the OP's medical condition relevant to what did and/or what should have happened to him? 2. To what degree was hos condition recognised and/or referenced by the attackers? 3. How is the OP's state qualitatively different than if he had just been drunk or hopped up on weed? I don't care about those things Tippia. I just want to touch hearts and minds with my honest intentions. Some people just need to be reassured that good people still exist in the world.
Good deeds in a video game =/= good people in the real world. Seriously, at what point did you acquire your hero complex? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
1759
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Posted - 2013.10.15 13:06:00 -
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Are you judging me for showing someone some kindness? Oh god. |
Baaldor
In Igne Morim Easily Excited
114
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Posted - 2013.10.15 13:08:00 -
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WhatGǪ.?
It just makes me laugh to see so many people struggling to justify their GÇ£moral codeGÇ¥ and e-honor through an anonymous medium.
Posting on a forum under an assumed name to garner sympathy and acknowledgement because there is no one at home that will give it.
It just screams listen to me!! I am not worth crap in real life so I need to justify my existence through a video gameGǪ.anonymously.
And these are the same people wailing about sociopaths?
Anyone that has a grain of common sense and some sort of grounded base of reality will recognize the difference between fantasy and reality. However, it seems we have a group of folk that cannot.
GǣI am not crazyGǪeveryone else is?Gǥ
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Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
1779
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Posted - 2013.10.15 13:10:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Are you judging me for showing someone some kindness?
I have no doubt that you're going to attempt to 'interpret' anything I say as something that you feel the need to defend. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
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