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IDGAD
Get in the van I have candy.
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Posted - 2013.10.09 06:18:00 -
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Proclus Diadochu wrote:IDGAD wrote:CCP Manifest wrote:Gilbaron wrote:next time you take half the company on vacation, please communicate that There are security reasons why that's a bad idea that I can't really argue with. Wait wait wait...... so you take a LARGE portion of the company out on vacation and leave the game understaffed and vulnerable to such issues? Is the very nature of taking so many employees critical to the game out of the picture AT THE SAME TIME not the big issue here? It's like having 10 people staffed 24/7 at a nuclear plant to maintain functionality, and 8 out of the 10 decide to leave for lunch AT THE SAME TIME and you end up with a good 'ol russian time with the reactor going critical. That DOES NOT WORK and was irresponsible. You clowns are some bold, ignorant, and mouthy people. This crap Faction Scorpion "ordeal" is a non-issue. The only issue I see here is that a bunch of whiny "entitled" children seem to think that Eve Online, a game popular for being unfair, should be fair. You kids need to step away from your computer for a minute and remember that CCP is not your company. You pay to play the game, and they aren't required to coddle you. The fact that they listen to you on some things is a perk of a decent company. If you don't like their game, leave. You won't, ofcourse, because most of you scrubs are just full of hot air and mad about your "poor, pitiful pixel world". Get over it.
Either you are trolling, or seriously don't understand the basic difference between a harsh game and a fair one. EVE is designed to be fair, actually it's one of the most fair games there is, and that's at it's very core. But what I mean by fair is by knowing the mechanics, you can ALWAYS be assured that things will operate the same way, and that the mechanics don't change per side. EVE is fair in that your 1600 plates won't magically increase to 20 K EHP if you are a goon, and your 425mm autocannons won't become peashooters if you are in some random Russian alliance.
This does NOT mean that EVE is not harsh; At it's core EVE is designed to be very unforgiving, very harsh. But harsh and difficult does not mean unfair. If a game is truly unfair, people will quit playing it. An unfair game for example would be one where mechanics are in place to produce ships, but then devs come in and give a particular easier method to a specific group and not the whole game. Another good example is giving out previously limited edition and no longer existing ships to specific group claiming it to be a community gift while many other groups were not given anything at all. For this kind of gifting / recognition system to be fair, it would need to be concrete and achievable by any group if they met the goals. For example, to reach a certain status and receive a gift, a community site must be active for X number of years, and have X popularity, and other attributes that can give a guideline instead of abstract "I like you" reasoning for gifting. |
samualvimes
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
108
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Posted - 2013.10.09 06:20:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:IDGAD wrote: Wait wait wait...... so you take a LARGE portion of the company out on vacation and leave the game understaffed and vulnerable to such issues? Is the very nature of taking so many employees critical to the game out of the picture AT THE SAME TIME not the big issue here? It's like having 10 people staffed 24/7 at a nuclear plant to maintain functionality, and 8 out of the 10 decide to leave for lunch AT THE SAME TIME and you end up with a good 'ol russian time with the reactor going critical. That DOES NOT WORK and was irresponsible.
I'll try and explain it for you as best I can. First of all, you're using a fairly ridiculous metaphor. CCP is a video game development company. They are not the operational staff of an extremely expensive and dangerous nuclear power plant. This is a controversy about allegedly unfair gifting of virtual world items to members of a community gambling site. This is not a critical vulnerability to the company and game. It is not something to recall people from their legally guaranteed vacation time spent with their families. It is not a reason for anybody to demand CCP give up time with their wives husband and children so they apply ointment to somebody's sense of entitlement. It is NOT a reason to demand to know when CCP employees will be taking their vacation time. There is legitimate cause for concern with the way some things were handled in this. Your questions and concerns will be answered in due time, after they have been thoroughly investigated, discussed, and vetted internally within CCP. When CCP is ready to communicate a formal response, you'll get it. Until then, please stop acting like a petulant customer.
Thank you for writing exactly what I wanted to say. You did it in a better way than i could |
Sugar Von MurdererTits
D'reg The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.09 06:22:00 -
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IDGAD wrote:Red Templar wrote:IDGAD wrote:CCP Manifest wrote:Gilbaron wrote:next time you take half the company on vacation, please communicate that There are security reasons why that's a bad idea that I can't really argue with. Wait wait wait...... so you take a LARGE portion of the company out on vacation and leave the game understaffed and vulnerable to such issues? Is the very nature of taking so many employees critical to the game out of the picture AT THE SAME TIME not the big issue here? It's like having 10 people staffed 24/7 at a nuclear plant to maintain functionality, and 8 out of the 10 decide to leave and you have a good 'ol russian time with the plant while everyone is gone. That DOES NOT WORK and was irresponsible. No. You are dumb. Thank you for reply CCP Manifest, but i will continue being skeptic and think that you will either ignore it, or justify it, or drag it long enough for people to forget about (until next incident at least). Please do clarify, how is that dumb? Or do you honestly have no idea how to interpret what I said besides it being counter to CCP's post? Are you just white knighting here, or do you honestly believe that CCP will provide an answer everyone will be satisfied with, and assume that will make up for this still valid point I made?
The fallout from MMO explosions isn't normally as bad as a nuclear meltdown in terms of lives lost and environmental destruction.
I agree with you though that I doubt CCP will have a satisfactory response to this but I'm looking forward to it, whatever it may be.
Maybe they'll give everyone an Ishukone Scorpion. That would satisfy me actually. |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Bitten.
350
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Posted - 2013.10.09 06:23:00 -
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IDGAD wrote: Either you are trolling, or seriously don't understand the basic difference between a harsh game and a fair one. EVE is designed to be fair, actually it's one of the most fair games there is, and that's at it's very core. But what I mean by fair is by knowing the mechanics, you can ALWAYS be assured that things will operate the same way, and that the mechanics don't change per side. EVE is fair in that your 1600 plates won't magically increase to 20 K EHP if you are a goon, and your 425mm autocannons won't become peashooters if you are in some random Russian alliance.
This does NOT mean that EVE is not harsh; At it's core EVE is designed to be very unforgiving, very harsh. But harsh and difficult does not mean unfair. If a game is truly unfair, people will quit playing it. An unfair game for example would be one where mechanics are in place to produce ships, but then devs come in and give a particular easier method to a specific group and not the whole game. Another good example is giving out previously limited edition and no longer existing ships to specific group claiming it to be a community gift while many other groups were not given anything at all. For this kind of gifting / recognition system to be fair, it would need to be concrete and achievable by any group if they met the goals. For example, to reach a certain status and receive a gift, a community site must be active for X number of years, and have X popularity, and other attributes that can give a guideline instead of abstract "I like you" reasoning for gifting.
Don't forget to contract me your things on your way out.
~Boredom Breeds Direction~ |
IDGAD
Get in the van I have candy.
10
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Posted - 2013.10.09 06:23:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:IDGAD wrote: Wait wait wait...... so you take a LARGE portion of the company out on vacation and leave the game understaffed and vulnerable to such issues? Is the very nature of taking so many employees critical to the game out of the picture AT THE SAME TIME not the big issue here? It's like having 10 people staffed 24/7 at a nuclear plant to maintain functionality, and 8 out of the 10 decide to leave for lunch AT THE SAME TIME and you end up with a good 'ol russian time with the reactor going critical. That DOES NOT WORK and was irresponsible.
I'll try and explain it for you as best I can. First of all, you're using a fairly ridiculous metaphor. CCP is a video game development company. They are not the operational staff of an extremely expensive and dangerous nuclear power plant. This is a controversy about allegedly unfair gifting of virtual world items to members of a community gambling site. This is not a critical vulnerability to the company and game. It is not something to recall people from their legally guaranteed vacation time spent with their families. It is not a reason for anybody to demand CCP give up time with their wives husband and children so they apply ointment to somebody's sense of entitlement. It is NOT a reason to demand to know when CCP employees will be taking their vacation time. There is legitimate cause for concern with the way some things were handled in this. Your questions and concerns will be answered in due time, after they have been thoroughly investigated, discussed, and vetted internally within CCP. When CCP is ready to communicate a formal response, you'll get it. Until then, please stop acting like a petulant customer.
I don't think you fully read my post, but this seems to be a common trend among the delusional sheep-like CCP supporters. Listen, they as individuals are allowed such vacation, but for the company as a whole to allow so many of it's employees to leave at once is NOT the same as individual rights. Take for example a skeleton crew that has to maintain a facility 24/7. The small crew has only a little overlap, and if someone wants to vacation they can, but it requires enough notification ahead of time to get another member of the team to work extra time and cover that person's shift. Now naturally with a 6 member team, you could not have 3, or maybe even just 2 leaving at the same time since that would be stretching your resources far too thin to the point of being impossible. This scales to larger organizations too, you just need to compensate for more overlap. The more employees and more overlap, the more the company can afford to let a larger portion be out at the same time. This is what I was arguing, not the individual rights for vacation but rather the choice for CCP to allow so many of it's employees to take leave AT THE SAME TIME.
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Baali Tekitsu
God Bless My Enemies
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Posted - 2013.10.09 06:33:00 -
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Im actually waiting for CCP Eterne/an ISD to lock the thread and redirect to the other two threads. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2190
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Posted - 2013.10.09 06:34:00 -
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IDGAD wrote: I don't think you fully read my post, but this seems to be a common trend among the delusional sheep-like CCP supporters. Listen, they as individuals are allowed such vacation, but for the company as a whole to allow so many of it's employees to leave at once is NOT the same as individual rights. Take for example a skeleton crew that has to maintain a facility 24/7. The small crew has only a little overlap, and if someone wants to vacation they can, but it requires enough notification ahead of time to get another member of the team to work extra time and cover that person's shift. Now naturally with a 6 member team, you could not have 3, or maybe even just 2 leaving at the same time since that would be stretching your resources far too thin to the point of being impossible. This scales to larger organizations too, you just need to compensate for more overlap. The more employees and more overlap, the more the company can afford to let a larger portion be out at the same time. This is what I was arguing, not the individual rights for vacation but rather the choice for CCP to allow so many of it's employees to take leave AT THE SAME TIME.
Actually, I did read your post. Both of them. Please don't make the assumption that because I am not agreeing with you, I must not have heard you.
You'll find that many companies see a large portion of their workforce take seasonal vacations, commonly related to seasonal holidays in whatever location they are. For example, in the United States November and December are fairly common months where large portions of the workforce take their yearly vacation time "AT THE SAME TIME" as you so eloquently put it.
To add, CCP was not operating on a skeleton crew. Half is not a skeleton crew. Furthermore, most of the people taking their vacation time have nothing to do with this situation, unless you feel the need to scream and spit at the Art department, or the network engineers, or the ship balancing team, or the guy who's been attempting to program a mystery feature that you might absolutely adore down the road.
What I believe you're trying to get across is that you're upset the community managers were taking their vacation time while there are angry posts being made on the forums. Please excuse me, but I find that idea laughably selfish. When isn't there some sort of scandal or outrage coming from this community and directed at CCP?
CCP Manifest has already apologized for his lack of response in the first post of this thread. He is the one who, if anybody at all, owes you and the rest of the players any form of apology for not stepping up in a timely manner. Nobody else does. Nobody else needs to explain their vacation policies and justify them to you.
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I'd like you to take a moment and step into the shoes of a CCP employee, or any employee for that matter. Imagine you've worked very hard for the last year, and you're enjoying the hot springs of a ski resort with your loving wife and two beautiful children. You get a text message on your phone as you crack open a fresh beer, and it says:
"Need you to come back to the office ASAP. Some customers are really pissed off that they didn't get free stuff.
-Boss" Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.09 06:35:00 -
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CCP, personaly I would also like to see you address the RMT accusations directed towards Somer, and of couse :
- favouritism - employee / company integrity.
A big ask, but please do read as many / all of our posts as you can, please. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1409
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Posted - 2013.10.09 06:45:00 -
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CCP Manifest wrote:As mentioned earlier in a thread by a keenly observant player, a vast majority of CCP employees (and spouses) from all offices were on a trip the end of last week and the beginning of this one--many of us arriving back in the office today.
Timing of that trip could not be worse for us to address things in any sort of timely manner and we certainly would not want to do so without finishing a larger discussion and honing in on specific steps we could take to address things from a tactical level, a policy level and a communication level. That effort had its infancy with the change of the Ishukone Scorpion to a promo item way back when and evolved more dramatically with the more recent Gold Magnate/Guardian-Vexor offer (and lead to its retraction). However, the discussion wasn't considered over.
It has been vastly accelerated now since this weekend's developments and even more so now that the majority of people are back in our various offices. We are working with several departments on it since the issues cover a LOT of ground, especially the big categories of communication and incentivization.
We know you deserve a timely clarification from CCP. We appreciate the patience those in some discussions around the internet have had for us. We also understand the impatience of those that didn't. I hope that a collectively constructed devblog can happen by the end of the week that covers most of the issues that arose out of "SOMER Blink Gate", and have begun work with CCP Guard and several others around the company on it already before consulting the CSM and on to you all.
Special thanks to the online CSM members who helped with a few suggestions to wording here.
This is one of my favourite things about CCP.
Why is nothing much happening right now?
Because the staff are just going on, are on, or are just returning from holiday.
It just brings a smile to my face every time I see it. This is not a signature. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2192
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Posted - 2013.10.09 06:48:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote: This is one of my favourite things about CCP.
Why is nothing much happening right now?
Because the staff are just going on, are on, or are just returning from holiday.
It just brings a smile to my face every time I see it.
On the other hand, you do make me realize these guys sure get a lot of vacation time.
I need to get a job with an Icelandic company, because I'm lucky if I can get a sick day out of my boss for the flu. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2013.10.09 06:50:00 -
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*tinfoil hat on*
Is it accidental that some random person who knows a polemic secret decides to unveil it right when the affected party is less able to deal with it in a timely manner?
*tinfoil hat off*
This adressed, will be waiting for CCP's response. Upsetting Chribba should be a serious sign of a communitty PR disaster, even if we don't judge about giving money to the wealthiest business in EVE, which happens to be taking lots of money from EVE players, and do it secretly and in a large scale. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
Anya Klibor
Error-404 Cup Of ConKrete.
432
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Posted - 2013.10.09 06:55:00 -
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I would support--assuming it is done openly--people like Chribba being given incentives and rewards for what they do for the game as a whole. Chribba in particular maintains several sites dedicated to ease of use of the game, making it more enjoyable and easier for players to understand the game's intricacies, as well as other things. He may be one of the nicest people in the game, too, and I don't know of anyone else who, when he gets attacked, can bring together age-old rivals to defend him and his property.
People who don't deserve things are people like SOMER Blink, writers of TMDC, EN24, and other sites like that. They don't contribute to bettering the players, only to reporting, or to lining their own pockets. |
Jove Death
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
107
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Posted - 2013.10.09 07:00:00 -
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CCP Manifest wrote:As mentioned earlier in a thread by a keenly observant player, a vast majority of CCP employees (and spouses) from all offices were on a trip the end of last week and the beginning of this one--many of us arriving back in the office today.
On a trip?
CCP Manifest not all staff would have been on holiday and tbh I have sat here watching the forums explode regarding the Somer gate issue and not one CCP rep has even replied.
There was a downtime issue and a CCP Dev posted a note regarding this but they couldnt be bothered to calm the chars down by posting a note regarding SOMER
Jeeze even having mintchip say somthing may have prevented alot of threads exploding into mayhem. (well maybe)
After all these years you still dont seem to have a strategic policy to counter problems like this when this happens.
In the time this started to when you have replied you may have lost a few chars and tbh thats not good for business.
I presume the ISD's could not help in this situation. Even logging in STAR and CCP customer service into the game at key station may have help.
Its not all about money,
Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1409
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Posted - 2013.10.09 07:14:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:Captain StringfellowHawk wrote:Can we stop arguing over Ships that people never undock in and use... and Actually move towards discussing future Expansions of the game... I can see if these were OP ships people were Popping others with left and right.. but this is like a collectors car that no one even uses..... Yes.. It devalues them.. But.. If you aint using it.. It's just wasted pixels.. Lets move the game and this Incident Forward.. and Argue over something useful Like the Oft pushed out Capital Re-balance etc... your right, lets take this man seriously. CCP, stop rebalancing, right now, its a waste of time. if people dont use a ship, then just delete it, otherwise its just wasting server space and pixels.
I disagree with you about ship re-balancing.
I would forgo a couple of expansions to see all the ships carefully and quickly re-balanced so that they all have a useful role.
For me, Eve Online is primarily a space ship game, everything else just provides the space ships with a more interesting environment to operate in. This is not a signature. |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
109
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Posted - 2013.10.09 07:15:00 -
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Good morning.
I hope you had a good vacation time.
Here are a few points, you could see as an Agenda for the next days:
- immedatly stop gifting ingame items
- unfold what and how many items you gave to whom and why
- introduce new outgame or untradebale reward items for your reward program
- work on a new policy for your reward program
- publish this policy which is hopefully clear, fair and understandable for everyone
- resume your reward program
- improve your capabillity to react even in such worst cases like this
Thanks a lot for reading. This signature is under NDA. Sorry. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6121
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Posted - 2013.10.09 07:19:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Nariya Kentaya wrote:Captain StringfellowHawk wrote:Can we stop arguing over Ships that people never undock in and use... and Actually move towards discussing future Expansions of the game... I can see if these were OP ships people were Popping others with left and right.. but this is like a collectors car that no one even uses..... Yes.. It devalues them.. But.. If you aint using it.. It's just wasted pixels.. Lets move the game and this Incident Forward.. and Argue over something useful Like the Oft pushed out Capital Re-balance etc... your right, lets take this man seriously. CCP, stop rebalancing, right now, its a waste of time. if people dont use a ship, then just delete it, otherwise its just wasting server space and pixels. I disagree with you about ship re-balancing. That's the result of having a functional brain. EVE Online - A Rigged Game |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6121
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Posted - 2013.10.09 07:21:00 -
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Proclus Diadochu wrote:a game popular for being unfair, should be fair. EVE isn't popular for being unfair. That's because it isn't unfair. There's no reason it should be made unfair.
"If you don't like it, leave" presents a false dichotomy. EVE Online - A Rigged Game |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1409
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Posted - 2013.10.09 07:33:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:IMO CCP should stop getting in those dire situations and learn to be transparent.
I can totally subscribe to the concept of: "XYZ fansite brings CCP NNN advertisment / revenue therefore we reward them". We live in a cold harsh universe - and I am referring to RL here - so I can see companies being money driven or influenced.
But this should be a process subject to something similar to a "fansite EULA".
Because SOMER is not the only case.
I own an official fansite as well, I know sometimes there are rewards for that and I actually feel it's fair to be rewarded for the long commitment and financial effort.
I found out that even "standard fansite rewards" are not published anywhere and when I honestly discussed about them in a trading chat I got people all sorts of reactions, some not distant from SOMER reactions.
At the time some even called me a liar for having said those rewards exist!
It's time CCP discloses their rewards policy.
I find it good to reward the deserving players but please do it in an systematic and open way!
So long as any such rewards are 'Barbie' rewards, i.e. cannot be used, traded, reprocessed, transferred to another player in-game etc, this would be alright. This is not a signature. |
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
152
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Posted - 2013.10.09 07:35:00 -
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Wait what even happened here :s
Have loads of these scorps been added to the game and everyone is going really mad? Seems I should have sold mine sooner after fanfest! |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6121
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Posted - 2013.10.09 07:44:00 -
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Mr Floydy wrote:Wait what even happened here :s
Have loads of these scorps been added to the game and everyone is going really mad? Seems I should have sold mine sooner after fanfest! Considering how much they've devalued, yeah. EVE Online - A Rigged Game |
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Zuni Jovakko
Sinister Intent
6
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Posted - 2013.10.09 07:53:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Mr Floydy wrote:Wait what even happened here :s
Have loads of these scorps been added to the game and everyone is going really mad? Seems I should have sold mine sooner after fanfest! Considering how much they've devalued, yeah.
The guy who sold me one for 20 bil must really have a big smile now, they are dropping at 12'ish bil now and price is going like express elevator to hell right now.
Guess I'll just stick with it as an expensive reminder of SomerGATE. |
ShipsOfEve
www.shipsofeve.com
5
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Posted - 2013.10.09 08:05:00 -
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Just when I think I can finally let the game go for good, something dramatic happens and I'm drawn back in again
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Mabelaba
Bella Donna Enterprises
7
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Posted - 2013.10.09 08:06:00 -
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Don't think a devblog will change anything significant to be honest. It'll be just about the same response we got earlier. |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
16
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Posted - 2013.10.09 08:12:00 -
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So I guess it really is true that if I give CCP Guard a blowjob I'll get free stuff...
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xXThunder StruckXx
Sandman Plc
4
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Posted - 2013.10.09 08:13:00 -
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Thanks for the input Manifest.
Personally, I don't see what the issue is. Something got given out as a thankyou, no different to me giving some passing noob 100m and patting him on the back for mining in a venture for a week. If I decided to do it, who is anyone to tell me it's wrong? The same applies here in my opinion.
You saw fit to show some appreciation, for YOUR reasons. Don't be swayed into giving your reasons for such things on the cry of a butthurt goon or two.
The sandbox hasn't been broken by any of this. No corp or alliance will fall as a result of you giving these gifts to Somer. I'm sure had one been offered to everyone that has taken such umbridge at this, they would have taken it, each and every one! |
PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
355
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Posted - 2013.10.09 08:17:00 -
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Mabelaba wrote:Don't think a devblog will change anything significant to be honest. It'll be just about the same response we got earlier. Well, let's wait and see what the dev blog says first.
Could be CCP realizes now that blatant favoritism is a bad thing, and will stop interfering in the sandbox. It could be that they realize giving one competing entity an advantage over other competing entities by providing unique assets for them to distribute as they see fit is a bad idea, and breaks the sandbox.
Or it could be that I'm a horribly naive person, we'll just have to see.
xXThunder StruckXx wrote:I'm sure had one been offered to everyone that has taken such umbridge at this, they would have taken it, each and every one! And that really is the entire point, I'm not sure how you aren't getting this. If the devs pick the winners and loosers, fine. Their game, their right to do so. But then it isn't a sandbox anymore and some players will take their business elsewhere.
Oh, and not a single alliance fell when T20 gave BoB a sabre BPO either. Guess that was ok too. |
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
190
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Posted - 2013.10.09 08:19:00 -
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Btw, for those that haven't noticed: This was not a "x employees were coincidally on vacation" but CCP employees going on vacation _together_.
If you follow them a bit, you see this is not an uncommon thing, e.g. they did these company zombie survival game etc. And I think it's awesome that they have these together-vacations, it shows they like to spend time with each other outside work, that there is a good amount of company loyality amongst the employees. I know other people that would go "Pfft, I spent every work day with those idiots, I certainly won't spend my free time with them!" or the like. Now sure, there's always the backup guys that have to stay in office, but that's the admins, a few programmers, GMs... but community dude is really not a time-critical thing, or at least it shouldn't be when dealing with rational players. And even if there was maybe one guy of the community team in the office, imagine he would have tried to deal with that alone, it _could_ have gotten notably worse depending on what his latest orders/info were.
(CCP, please don't stop your vacation trips and stuff because of forum drama!) |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
381
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Posted - 2013.10.09 08:23:00 -
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Yep I understand a lot of you were on holiday BUT someone must of been on duty and should of either relayed to you guys asking for a quick response on saturday if they weren't a high enough pay grade to do it themselves. CCP is a buisness but doesn't seem to be very good at the PR side of it, maybe you should think about hiring some of Somer's guys for it as they seem to do wonders :P
Not to get personal but why would you even contemplate doing media stuff when the forums were on fire and the only CCP responce we saw in 4 days was an ISD dude saying he will keep it open for now then a dev locking it and sending people to two threads neither of which were about this issue then thrads all over were being locked for even hinting at this.
But I understand that is now past and you can't turn the clocks back ( over the years this many times we heard you going to learn from these basic mistakes btw ) but you have now given you'reselves a week to put together a devblog, please spend this time looking at it from all angles and actually understand the issues we had, the last time you guys fouled up regarding handing out rare ships you actually missed the main point by a wide margin and just used the rare ships etc as the fireblanket.
On that threadnaught which got locked is a lot of good points even though a lot of it was histerical and whining from both sides, please take the time to read right through it and take it all in, you put a neutral hat on and you will see how big an issue this really is, to many it is on the scale of T20.
Mra Rednu ( proud holder of a Kourmonen medal recieved for adding content in FW and worth jack-****. ) |
Catherine Au
Iris Industry and Innovations
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Posted - 2013.10.09 08:28:00 -
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Looking forward to reading the devblog. It is good to know this issue is finally being discussed.
It was quite disheartening that the first dev. response to the 60 odd page thread on the problem was to lock it. I agree that the discussion had gone off track...but the dev who locked it saying he had only read back a couple of pages. I got the impression you guys were letting players vent and weren't even bothering to read the thread. Other devs had posted on other blogs on Monday, such as the Rubicon threads, whilst ignoring the threadnought. It pretty much gave the impression you didn;t give a crap about our concerns.
Please next time you upset a good chunk of your subscribers (and it will happen again CCP <3) please train whoever feeds the hamsters in Iceland when you are all away to at least POST SOMETHING to at least say SOMEONE is reading IT and let us know WHEN we will get a response.
Thankyou |
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2013.10.09 08:40:00 -
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Zuni Jovakko wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Mr Floydy wrote:Wait what even happened here :s
Have loads of these scorps been added to the game and everyone is going really mad? Seems I should have sold mine sooner after fanfest! Considering how much they've devalued, yeah. The guy who sold me one for 20 bil must really have a big smile now, they are dropping at 12'ish bil now and price is going like express elevator to hell right now. Guess I'll just stick with it as an expensive reminder of SomerGATE. Damn, well that sucks. Gamble in keeping it didn't pay off then. |
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