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Saeglotakk
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.30 11:21:00 -
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Welcome to Saeg's Third Party Service.
Integrity is the key to good business and long lasting partnerships.
WeGÇÖve all read the recent stories of bogus third parties ruining deals and making life hard for those who wish to partake in the most important trades in the EVE Universe.
My goal is to restore that trust and provide an honest service to those who need it.
Why should I trust you Saeg?
( http://evewho.com/pilot/Saeglotakk )
Since my first days in EVE I have only ever been an NRDS (Not Red DonGÇÖt Shoot) pilot and have spent my EVE career flying as part of the Providence Bloc. Some call it roleplay, but I like to think my in game character reflects my real life values.
The long and short of my EVE history is that I have flown with the Yulai Federation in Providence for nearly 3 years. I am currently a Director and one of three who are second in command of the alliance. The Yulai Federation has Strict Anti-Piracy Rules. Any attempt at piracy on my part would see me removed from the one alliance I have ever served and my flawless history within EVE tarnished. This is something I do not take lightly.
(You can read about the membership requirements of my alliance and the Providence NRDS coalition here - http://yulaifederation.net/forum/index.php?board=208.0 )
-I will happily provide API keys of my transactions. -I can provide references, should you wish to have them. -I am happy to discuss terms on voice comms and using both in-game and RL mail. Whatever you are most comfortable with.
Please feel free to convo/mail Saeglotakk with any questions you may have.
Thanks for your time.
EU Timezone based.
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Saeglotakk
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.30 12:54:00 -
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Saeglotakk |
Arch Stanton's Neighbour
Forceful Resource Acquisition Inc
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Posted - 2013.09.30 16:14:00 -
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Since you are anti-pirate would I be correct in assuming that anyone with a < -5 sec status or in you shoot on sight list would be considered an enemy of your alliance and therefore you'd be able to scam them? |
Saeglotakk
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.30 17:50:00 -
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Fair question Arch, I'm glad you raised that point.
When I say anti-pirate, we do not mean pirate in the sense of sec status. We use 'pirate' to describe people engaging in pirate activity regardless of their sec status. (Pirate activity in null-sec for example, doesn't carry a sec status penalty)
To be perfectly clear. If I were to scam anyone for whatever reason, I would be undermining the work which the YF and Provibloc strive for and putting my EVE career in jeopardy.
Let me give you an example and say that there is a pilot selling an item who is red to my alliance. If I facilitate the transfer of his items to another pilot. I can be sure that the buyer is not being scammed, therefore (in a small way) helping the anti-pirate cause. On the other hand, if I was to attempt a scam on the pilot who was red to my alliance, I would be engaging in piracy and therefore breaking my alliances rules.
I hope this helps.
Saeg |
lone wolfman
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.01 00:52:00 -
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There is nothing in this post that tells me why you are trustworthy. Being in a n alliance does not prove anything and being unknown does not help. So why should we go to you rather than current third party. |
FuzzyButt
I Swear She Was 18 Li3 Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.01 08:28:00 -
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Chribba <3 |
Saeglotakk
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.01 08:29:00 -
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Thanks for the feedback Lone Wolfman.
Taking each of your points in turn.
If you can suggest anything which I can add to highlight my trustworthyness, I am more than willing to listen and amend my advert. I'm sure you'll agree, that telling someone you are trustworthy is just about the worst way to go about it! Trust must be earned and I have to start somewhere. I hope I can reward that trust in me with an excellent tailored service, short lead times and a good price.
My alliance does not prove that my intentions are good but it does show certain chararcteristics. Breaking alliance rules which prohibit scamming etc, will result in my expulsion. Working my way through the ranks for the last 3 years is not something which I intend to throw away over night. As you have stated, I am an unknown but I do hope to build a reputation on honest business. Getting into this market is not easy for players who do not have any track record.
I know from experience that certain widely renowned third parties are sometimes difficult to tie down (They are understandably very busy!!!) and invariably quite expensive for the service which they offer. It's not quite a monopoly but I feel that the third party market could do with some competition. That is the main reason I decided to promote a service. I am certain I can provide a faster and cheaper service.
I am not here to try and make a quick buck. I see a valid opportunity to grow a business.
I welcome anymore feedback which you may have.
Saeg |
Saeglotakk
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.01 08:41:00 -
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FuzzyButt wrote:Chribba <3
He's my role model! He provides a brilliant service and proves that EVE isn't full of cowboys. Exceptions to the rule exist.
Saeg |
xRyokenx
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.01 09:54:00 -
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Saeglotakk wrote:FuzzyButt wrote:Chribba <3 He's my role model! He provides a brilliant service and proves that EVE isn't full of cowboys. Exceptions to the rule exist. Saeg
Would you consider giving Chribba 130B while you handle trades? xRyokenx Mindstar Technology Fatal Ascension Rental Manager |
lone wolfman
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.01 12:30:00 -
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xRyokenx wrote:Saeglotakk wrote:FuzzyButt wrote:Chribba <3 He's my role model! He provides a brilliant service and proves that EVE isn't full of cowboys. Exceptions to the rule exist. Saeg Would you consider giving Chribba 130B while you handle trades?
That, Give 130B for titana nd 30B for supercap while you handle the third party. if its a scam affected party gets the ISK. that will be a start. |
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Saeglotakk
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.01 13:01:00 -
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Thanks for the comments guys,
I think that the idea of me handing a form of collateral to Chribba to the value of a titan or super would work.
The only question would be wether Chribba would actually allow me to do this, considering that I could be potentially competing with him!
I'll look into it and get back to you!
Saeg |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.01 13:14:00 -
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Hi, I will not be able to assist with this for the simple reason that by me holding the collateral essentially makes me being the one securing it - while I'm not in control over the trade - and I prefer to try avoid adding steps I cannot control.
From my view, a pilot wouldn't be building Saeg's reputation this way, since after all, they know that if Saeg scams, I would pay them back - who was the buyer essentially trusting in this situation?
This is basically part of the reason why I cannot/won't vouch or take in pilots to work for me.
Sorry.
/c
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ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.10.01 13:35:00 -
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OK, now that the Chribba has spoken, I want to remind the OP of the bumping rules.
1 bump per calendar day.
Any post by the OP for any reason counts as a daily bump.
ISD Cura Ursus Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
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Posted - 2013.10.01 14:35:00 -
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Seems like everyone is starting up a third part these days. |
Slave 118593
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:03:00 -
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Thankyou for a smooth and well handled super carrier trade. I look forward to using this service in the future. |
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
3128
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:07:00 -
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I for-welcome a new third party to the buisiness. -áGÖÑ-á
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Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:22:00 -
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Princess Saskia wrote:I for-welcome a new third party to the buisiness.
I too would welcome legitimate third parties. I see this ending badly, either because it is a scam, or because nobody will believe that it isn't. |
Saeglotakk
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.02 10:08:00 -
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Thanks to Chribba for checking the post and having some input. I very much appreciate his comments and I understand why he would not wish to have any involvement in another third party service.
As a number of you have mentioned, trust is the key issue and how can anyone believe that I am not a scam artist?
The only way I believe I can become a trusted third party is to actually broker deals. My intention is to look for a handful of sellers who are willing to take a risk on me and in return I would not charge a fee, provided they agree to give a reference. Stating that my intentions here are honest may well be futile but I hope i can reward the trust someone might place in me.
If anyone is interested, please feel free to contact me.
I welcome your comments and feedback.
Kind regards,
Saeg |
Saeglotakk
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.03 11:54:00 -
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Bump |
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.10.03 13:20:00 -
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Another one, Seriously?
This is getting old now. |
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Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
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Posted - 2013.10.03 14:06:00 -
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Saeglotakk wrote:Thanks to Chribba for checking the post and having some input. I very much appreciate his comments and I understand why he would not wish to have any involvement in another third party service.
As a number of you have mentioned, trust is the key issue and how can anyone believe that I am not a scam artist?
The only way I believe I can become a trusted third party is to actually broker deals. My intention is to look for a handful of sellers who are willing to take a risk on me and in return I would not charge a fee, provided they agree to give a reference. Stating that my intentions here are honest may well be futile but I hope i can reward the trust someone might place in me.
If anyone is interested, please feel free to contact me.
I welcome your comments and feedback.
Kind regards,
Saeg
People think you are a scammer because you play eve, and under the right circumstances, everyone is a scammer (I don't even consider Chribba an exception to this, I think if given the right motivation, he too would scam someone. I doubt that motivation exists in eve currently, and I think he is by far the most trustworthy person in the game, but it is still possible).
Other considerations: Your entire forum posting history is this one thread. Your character, for the sake of this forum, doesn't exist except here where you are trying to convince people to let you hold large amounts of money. Can't really correct this now, but post all your alts too, if you want trust. I find it hard to believe a pilot that has been around since 2009 has never asked one question on a subforum, or sold/wtb something either. Possible, but as I said, doesn't make you trustworthy.
One of your bits of proof is your alliance's entry requirements. So basically, we have to trust your corp's opinions that you are an upstanding citizen. Not likely to fly, especially without any testimonials.
I think this character has a low chance of becoming a trusted 3rd party, so you might want to try again with someone with some forum history. Most 3rd parties get started with their friends and corpies having them do trades for them, and the trust builds from there. Nobody from Yulai has popped up to say "hey, this guy is awesome, he helped me trade a mom, real awesome". In fact, the only way I would user you to facilitate a trade is if I had full collateral from you sitting in my hangar while we did it, and even then, that wouldn't lead to a good recommendation.
Trust is the most valuable commodity in Eve. |
Saeglotakk
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.04 08:30:00 -
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Hey Tigerras,
Sorry for the slow reply, I can only reply to the post once per day (as per forum rules)!
I just wanted to come back on some of the points you raised in your previous post.
Firstly, thanks for your constructive criticism, I think it's fair to say nearly everyone who has commented has been constructive in some way.
So regarding my forum history, this is my main character and yes this is my first forum post. I guess having always resided within Provi has meant that I've never needed to use these forums until now, as we have forums (which I am very active on) for our region. As you say, that definitely doesn't look good and I completely understand that.
My alts for reference are Andro Glosoli and Kyro Aesir. I also used to have a character called Unip, which i gave to a friend at the start of 2012 and I believe is no longer subbed (The EVE learning curve got the better of him i think)
I haven't advertised this within my corp/alliance yet, bar with the CEO to check that he would be happy for me to try this. If you would like references, I can provide them. As you have said, references from within my alliance aren't likely to cut it much with the wider EVE community.
One of the things which I am finding difficult is to not come accross as trying too hard, whilst trying to show that I have genuinely good intentions! I am concious that 99% of people here will think I'm trying to start a scam, which makes me concious of all my actions.
Once again, thanks for your input and from your comments I appreciate that there would have been better ways to go about setting this service up. I'll persevere and hopefully start to build a client base with your comments in mind for advertising a service in the future.
Kind regards,
Saeg
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Saeglotakk
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:59:00 -
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Saeglotakk
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.09 13:54:00 -
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Saeglotakk
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.11 09:07:00 -
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Saeglotakk
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.14 08:19:00 -
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Saeglotakk
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.15 13:22:00 -
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Kregan Gadhar
Helion Production Labs Mildly Intoxicated
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Posted - 2013.10.15 15:54:00 -
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I start by saying I have no stake in his success or failure and I am pretty sure that I am red to him. I just preface this before I go into my opinion on this post.
Even Chribba or any "Trusted" third party had to make a start in Eve with some one trusting them to pull off the deal without a scam. Granted, the posting and active in the community does play a part with the name being well known, but The Mittani falls into this same category and I wouldn't trust him to hold onto my Ibis. People have gotten too jaded with all the scams here lately and even the big ones in the past that brought so much light to Eve. Now we are waiting for who is going to get hit next, or in the recruiting process of letting in a spy/corp thief, and so those who want to start an honest business are shunned from the get go as scammers.
I don't know Chribba personally, so I can't say whether he has a price that he would steal or scam someone, but I do believe there are people who take their morals very seriously and that carries over even into a game. I do think there are people who would not under any circumstance actually steal or scam people, but how do you come up with a vetting process? Really you can't unless you know someone who knows this guy.
Kind of sad that we have turned to the point that we are more willing to call him a scammer than actually think he could be running a legit service. |
Saeglotakk
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.16 08:45:00 -
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Kregan Gadhar wrote: Kind of sad that we have turned to the point that we are more willing to call him a scammer than actually think he could be running a legit service.
Thanks Kregan,
I do think it is a sad state of affairs, but to be honest, I genuinely cannot blame any single person who has had their say on this post for the opinion which they have put forward. In EVE online, which is the more likely?
EVE can be hard work, it takes time and effort for people to get the things which they want and they don't want to take unecessary risks. As previous posts suggest, there is little for me to show which can really highlight the fact I'm trustworthy. I've nothing to gain by scamming here except tarnishing an unflawed character, something which I have absolutely no intention of doing.
I'm still hopefull that someone outside my corp/alliance will take a chance on me and then provide me with a positive reference. I'll be as sure as hell to let you guys know if and when that happens!
In the meantime, thanks to everyone who has had an input (and not for flaming me to the ground!!!).
Kind regards,
Saeg |
Sperion
NorthTown Retirement
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Posted - 2013.10.16 17:22:00 -
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Great 3rd party service! I think he said I was one of his first out-of-alliance patrons and I couldn't be happier with the service. He facilitated a WH sale with professionalism and speedy service. Ten out of ten, would recommend to all. |
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