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Axirillon Grinder
Axi's Beerpounders
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Posted - 2013.09.19 01:37:00 -
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Be aware of the following people, they ransomed me and a friend for our ships, we paid the ransom then as we ejected (agreed in the deal to let them have a rookie killmail) "mislocated" the ships held for ransom. Also in the deal it was agreed on we would NOT get podded, only to get killed anyway. Our ships got stolen and I lost a set of implants.
Booster Mord - Dirt Nap Squad [D-N-S] Crassadi Sinq Laison Happiness [HAPEN] Cypir - Member of rules of aquisition [ROA-A]
Well hope someone will check their names and realise THEY WILL SCREW YOU OVER ANYWAY, so don't try a ransom with them.
- Axi |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1475
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Posted - 2013.09.19 01:40:00 -
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This belongs in crime and punishment.
Your crime was in believing. Your punishment lay in dying. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
569
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Posted - 2013.09.19 01:43:00 -
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Never pay ransom. We're winning the war if it says so on CAOD! -á
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1510
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Posted - 2013.09.19 01:44:00 -
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Sounds to me like you were trying to scam them. They did the right thing. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2622
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Posted - 2013.09.19 01:45:00 -
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IB4L.
...on a personal note, I would never honor a ransom. ..so don't pay them.
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Tuggboat
Oneida Inc.
21
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Posted - 2013.09.19 01:45:00 -
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Never trust a man that doesn't mine |
Lugia3
Pirates Incorporated
571
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Posted - 2013.09.19 01:46:00 -
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http://digit-8.com/wp-content/images/real-noob.jpg "QQ threads are only allowed in the Out of Pod Experience forum." - ISD Cura Ursus |
Axirillon Grinder
Axi's Beerpounders
0
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Posted - 2013.09.19 01:48:00 -
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Yawn making a deal, then not sticking to it is wrong, I'd be okay if they rejected the offer of a ransom OR stuck to it. Doing neither is sad, but just by looking at the replies I got so far this community is what it is. Just hope someone else figures out that they will screw them anyways.
- Axi |
BoSau Hotim
uitraan diversified holdings incorporated
7068
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Posted - 2013.09.19 01:48:00 -
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Axirillon Grinder wrote:Be aware of the following people, they ransomed me and a friend for our ships, we paid the ransom then as we ejected (agreed in the deal to let them have a rookie killmail) "mislocated" the ships held for ransom. Also in the deal it was agreed on we would NOT get podded, only to get killed anyway. Our ships got stolen and I lost a set of implants.
Booster Mord - Dirt Nap Squad [D-N-S] Crassadi Sinq Laison Happiness [HAPEN] Cypir - Member of rules of aquisition [ROA-A]
Well hope someone will check their names and realise THEY WILL SCREW YOU OVER ANYWAY, so don't try a ransom with them.
- Axi
You may be quite shocked at such behavior but this is happening in Eve daily. It's a great way to get isk at very little cost for the ransomers.
welcome to the harsh world of EvE I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!-á Now... where's Ken? |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
1303
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Posted - 2013.09.19 01:50:00 -
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Welcome to EVE, please leave your morals and trust in other human beings at the log-in screen. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1477
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Posted - 2013.09.19 01:51:00 -
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Axirillon Grinder wrote:Yawn making a deal, then not sticking to it is wrong, I'd be okay if they rejected the offer of a ransom OR stuck to it. Doing neither is sad, but just by looking at the replies I got so far this community is what it is. Just hope someone else figures out that they will screw them anyways.
- Axi
Maybe next time you'll get better responses by posting in the appropriate forums.
You seem to have expectation issues. You should have that checked out. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Axirillon Grinder
Axi's Beerpounders
0
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Posted - 2013.09.19 01:53:00 -
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Yup a harsh lesson, had faith in humanity, got bitchslapped in the face with reality, too many sad people and then there are people that are actually surprised at homocidal maniacs. But hey it's a game, I learned something new.
- Axi |
Ivan Krividus
Born Crazy
14
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Posted - 2013.09.19 01:53:00 -
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Luckily, the one time i was ever in a ransom situation the ransomer let me go. In fact, i had forgot to update my clone and he and a friend had me pointed in a pod. I still get nightmares about that. Anyway, i would offer to pay them 1/3 before they let you go and 2/3 after. If they let you go, just dont pay em the rest. If they were lying about the ransom in the first place, they scammed you out of less, and you can scam them if they let you get away |
BoSau Hotim
uitraan diversified holdings incorporated
7068
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Posted - 2013.09.19 01:55:00 -
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Axirillon Grinder wrote:Yawn making a deal, then not sticking to it is wrong, I'd be okay if they rejected the offer of a ransom OR stuck to it. Doing neither is sad, but just by looking at the replies I got so far this community is what it is. Just hope someone else figures out that they will screw them anyways.
- Axi Making a deal and then not sticking to it in the real world is wrong in most cases. In this game it's just part of EVE because it is just a game. Your going to find many other things in this game that would be considered wrong in the real world, but allowed in Eve. I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!-á Now... where's Ken? |
Tuggboat
Oneida Inc.
21
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Posted - 2013.09.19 01:56:00 -
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Its so sad you need another beer |
Axirillon Grinder
Axi's Beerpounders
0
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Posted - 2013.09.19 01:57:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Axirillon Grinder wrote:Yawn making a deal, then not sticking to it is wrong, I'd be okay if they rejected the offer of a ransom OR stuck to it. Doing neither is sad, but just by looking at the replies I got so far this community is what it is. Just hope someone else figures out that they will screw them anyways.
- Axi Maybe next time you'll get better responses by posting in the appropriate forums. You seem to have expectation issues. You should have that checked out.
appropriate forums? You kidding right? I don't expect anything to happen because in reality nothing will, what I hope for is for 1 person to read this and realise they this is screw me online rather than anything else, moral is "I will screw the **** outta my fellow players, just because I can" but hey I'm a na+»ve guy, I put trust in my fellow man, shame on me.
- Axi |
Shederov Blood
Wrecketeers
473
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Posted - 2013.09.19 02:00:00 -
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Those pirates are poo poo heads! This will be dealt with. |
Johan Civire
The Lyran Empire
638
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Posted - 2013.09.19 02:01:00 -
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Axirillon Grinder wrote:Be aware of the following people, they ransomed me and a friend for our ships, we paid the ransom then as we ejected (agreed in the deal to let them have a rookie killmail) "mislocated" the ships held for ransom. Also in the deal it was agreed on we would NOT get podded, only to get killed anyway. Our ships got stolen and I lost a set of implants.
Booster Mord - Dirt Nap Squad [D-N-S] Crassadi Sinq Laison Happiness [HAPEN] Cypir - Member of rules of aquisition [ROA-A]
Well hope someone will check their names and realise THEY WILL SCREW YOU OVER ANYWAY, so don't try a ransom with them.
- Axi
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1479
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Posted - 2013.09.19 02:15:00 -
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Axirillon Grinder wrote:
appropriate forums? You kidding right?
Nope. There's a forum for the kind of whining you're doing. It's called Crime and Punishment.
Quote: but hey I'm a na+»ve guy
Yep. You are. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Axirillon Grinder
Axi's Beerpounders
0
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Posted - 2013.09.19 02:19:00 -
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He he, guess we're at a difference of opinion, "whining" imho would be crying that it was unfair, all I am trying to achieve is to raise some awareness, crime and punishment imho would refer to something against the rules and thus punishable, this doesn't seem like it thus for raising awareness I'd guess general discussion would be the right place.
- Axi |
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BoSau Hotim
uitraan diversified holdings incorporated
7068
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Posted - 2013.09.19 02:20:00 -
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Axirillon Grinder wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Axirillon Grinder wrote:Yawn making a deal, then not sticking to it is wrong, I'd be okay if they rejected the offer of a ransom OR stuck to it. Doing neither is sad, but just by looking at the replies I got so far this community is what it is. Just hope someone else figures out that they will screw them anyways.
- Axi Maybe next time you'll get better responses by posting in the appropriate forums. You seem to have expectation issues. You should have that checked out. appropriate forums? You kidding right? I don't expect anything to happen because in reality nothing will, what I hope for is for 1 person to read this and realise they this is screw me online rather than anything else, moral is "I will screw the **** outta my fellow players, just because I can" but hey I'm a na+»ve guy, I put trust in my fellow man, shame on me. - Axi
I think your taking this a bit too far. You didn't put your trust in your fellow man. You put your trust in a person who is playing a pvp game. Hopefully you'll feel better tomorrow and be able to look at it for what it really is.
If you log onto Battlefield 3 you would expect to get shot/blown up right? Well if you expect that getting blown up - along with a myriad of other types of attacks - will happen to you in EvE, then you can learn to protect yourself and how to survive and do well in this game. CCP puts new players in a cocoon in the starter systems and they don't reallize what a harsh game this is until they leave the nursery (unless this happened in a starter system in which case it's a whole different story)
I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!-á Now... where's Ken? |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
480
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Posted - 2013.09.19 02:22:00 -
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Tuggboat wrote:Never trust a man that doesn't mine Never trust a man who does, either. CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace! -á~ Me |
unidenify
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2013.09.19 02:28:00 -
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I am sure it is easier to make list of all pirate who honor ransom. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1479
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Posted - 2013.09.19 02:30:00 -
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Axirillon Grinder wrote:He he, guess we're at a difference of opinion, "whining" imho would be crying that it was unfair, all I am trying to achieve is to raise some awareness, crime and punishment imho would refer to something against the rules and thus punishable, this doesn't seem like it thus for raising awareness I'd guess general discussion would be the right place.
- Axi
You'd be wrong. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Axirillon Grinder
Axi's Beerpounders
0
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Posted - 2013.09.19 02:42:00 -
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as said difference of opinion and yes it's a harsh game, I repeat, just attempting to raise awareness for the random rookie trolling the forums and coming across this so he'll be forewarned and maybe not make the same mistake I made, if it can happen it will happen and putting my faith in my fellow man was not an understatement, experienced enough rip-offs, scams, screw overs on the internet, can live with that, alas real life ain't any better, of course there are exceptions, some people do deserve the trust others put in them, just wish there were more of those, that's all.
- Axi |
Desimus Maximus
Substandard Coalition
22
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Posted - 2013.09.19 02:45:00 -
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Just confirming.. you believe EvE pilots may, just may, be dishonest.
This changes everything!
Rule #1: Don't trust anyone in EvE, even if it's your mom. She will screw you out of ISK before your ship can say 'your capacitor is empty'.
Rule #2: EvE is a COLD and CRUEL universe.
Rule # 3: Never, ever..... ever....... trust anyone in EvE. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
373
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Posted - 2013.09.19 02:48:00 -
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Crime & Punishment is not for game rule breaks. The Petition system is used for those. Crime & Punishment is for 'In Character' laws being broken, such as failing to honour a ransom. Or corp theft etc.
That is why people are saying to use that forum. |
Axirillon Grinder
Axi's Beerpounders
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Posted - 2013.09.19 02:48:00 -
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Yup, there's some good rules.
- Axi |
Axirillon Grinder
Axi's Beerpounders
0
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Posted - 2013.09.19 02:59:00 -
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Would love to see people actually read. It is not about these particular players and more about AWARENESS for new players like myself that they fully realize how harsh this game can be, the situation named is mainly an EXAMPLE of what happens when you are na+»ve about your fellow players in this game and hence I am still convinced that the topic is in the right spot although I might just troll over to that forum to spam the crap out of it about how dishonest these guys are, but nope, it is part of the game, I gambled, I lost, I live on, the fact remains I intend this topic for NEW PLAYERS, so you forum warriors please get off my back that the topic is in the wrong place, it is not intended for you, your opinion is noted and I reject it by my arguments named above. If it bugs you that bad then get a forum mod to move this topic.
- Axi |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
293
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Posted - 2013.09.19 03:04:00 -
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Axirillon Grinder wrote:Yup a harsh lesson, had faith in humanity, got bitchslapped in the face with reality, too many sad people and then there are people that are actually surprised at homocidal maniacs. But hey it's a game, I learned something new.
- Axi
No reason to loose faith in humanity. The people who betrayed you were avatars playing a role. IRL those guys are most likely normal decent bros. Its a game. It has rules. Play within those rules is valid. Cops and robbers would be no fun without the robbers. If you are set on demonizing other players in a sandbox game, I think you're going to have a miserable time here. This is the rule:-á In Eve it's always a trick. If you don't think it's a trick, you just don't have enough experience to know what the trick is. That doesn't mean you shouldn't launch on that fool anyway and roll the dice. |
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Sol Kal'orr
The Scope Gallente Federation
129
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Posted - 2013.09.19 03:10:00 -
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Yep. The Crime and Punishment section is where we discuss EULA breaches.
Also, If your faith in humanity is being shaken by treachery in a game about treachery I recommend avoid games altogether. I found out about this one called 'Risk' the other day. Seems the players try to take over the world. Megalomaniacs. |
Julius Priscus
135
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Posted - 2013.09.19 03:12:00 -
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Axirillon Grinder wrote:Yup a harsh lesson, had faith in humanity, got bitchslapped in the face with reality, too many sad people and then there are people that are actually surprised at homocidal maniacs. But hey it's a game, I learned something new.
- Axi
there are pilots out there that "honour" ransoms.. if I found out a corpie tried to ransom a pilot then reneged I would pod my corpie my self.
if I cant trust a corp mate to honour a ransom I sure as hell cannot trust that person to have my back.
I always honour ransoms my self.. to the point if I screw up and they have paid me i will refund it in full.
OP sorry to see you got ass raped over a "ransom" -»\_(pâä)_/-»-á Sup cracka ! |
Axirillon Grinder
Axi's Beerpounders
0
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Posted - 2013.09.19 03:27:00 -
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Julius, thank you for the support and I would and likely will apply the same stance myself in the future (if I ever get to ransom someone) and it's not the point I can apply these situations to just a game but simply a stance I can apply to general populous, you do it because you can, morality isn't a boon anymore, it's a burden, that it's more evident in this game is obvious, that there are still people out there that believe in fairplay and honor is the reason I am trying to raise awareness XD, I obviously not aware this game was based on threachery, again as said before, I had to find out the hard way and again if I can prevent just about anyone from getting caught I've achieved what I'm trying to accomplish.
- Axi |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1140
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Posted - 2013.09.19 03:51:00 -
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CCP should change the TOS and ban future ransom fakers for impersonating an honest pirate. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Twylla
The Scope Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2013.09.19 04:12:00 -
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Never pay ransom. Just punch self destruct, spam a warp-out, and accept your losses as they come.
Best case scenario, you manage to commit to a warp out before they lock the pod down. Worst case scenario, you get popped, podded, and sent home.
Every time you undock, you have to acknowledge that you may not make it back with your ship, cargo, or implants.
Ransom only encourages them and makes it even more profitable than salvaging your modules and cargo.
There is nothing in the game that's enough to get worked up over, unless you did something stupid. ~Weapons R&D technician, arms manufacturer, weapons dealer, wormhole project manager, nulsec fleet pilot, armored warfare command/mindlink specialist, thanatos pilot, alliance executor, now retired~
I've done everything. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN! |
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ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
244
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Posted - 2013.09.19 04:52:00 -
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Moved to crime and punishment. ISD Cura Ursus Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Teinyhr
A Club for Reputable Gentlemen
214
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Posted - 2013.09.19 05:07:00 -
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Well, this thread shows that the community has changed, and I'm not sure it's for the better. At least some 3-4 years ago ransoms were honoured and this kind of thread would of gotten much more support from actual pirates chiming in that not honouring ransoms hurts their playstyle. But I suppose "true pirates" are a dying breed as people seem to be only interested in getting killmails at any cost.
Now it's mostly "hurpadurp honour in eve LOL?" Really don't like this change in attitude. |
Lt Manshield
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.09.19 05:49:00 -
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Axirillon Grinder wrote:as said difference of opinion and yes it's a harsh game, I repeat, just attempting to raise awareness for the random rookie trolling the forums and coming across this so he'll be forewarned and maybe not make the same mistake I made, if it can happen it will happen and putting my faith in my fellow man was not an understatement, experienced enough rip-offs, scams, screw overs on the internet, can live with that, alas real life ain't any better, of course there are exceptions, some people do deserve the trust others put in them, just wish there were more of those, that's all.
- Axi
Delicious tears. Please get scammed in any of the myriad other ways (maybe by me) and then start another thread about it. Player created content, you see :V
Also never not sign your posts - username which is visible to the left of my post.
Teinyhr wrote:Well, this thread shows that the community has changed, and I'm not sure it's for the better. At least some 3-4 years ago ransoms were honoured and this kind of thread would of gotten much more support from actual pirates chiming in that not honouring ransoms hurts their playstyle. But I suppose "true pirates" are a dying breed as people seem to be only interested in getting killmails at any cost.
Now it's mostly "hurpadurp honour in eve LOL?" Really don't like this change in attitude.
Unironically HTFU. |
RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe WAFFLES.
4189
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Posted - 2013.09.19 07:17:00 -
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unidenify wrote:I am sure it is easier to make list of all pirate who honor ransom.
And even easier to have alts submit your main to that list. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
726
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Posted - 2013.09.19 09:16:00 -
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unidenify wrote:I am sure it is easier to make list of all pirate who honor ransom. I've got that list somewhere... Oh here it is:
But yeah, never pay ransoms. Just give them the finger and burn away. If you die, you die. If you are lucky (or not in a bubble), you get to keep your pod. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
829
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Posted - 2013.09.19 09:36:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:unidenify wrote:I am sure it is easier to make list of all pirate who honor ransom. I've got that list somewhere... Oh here it is: But yeah, never pay ransoms. Just give them the finger and burn away. If you die, you die. If you are lucky (or not in a bubble), you get to keep your pod. I have to object there....I know quite a few entities who will always honor a payed ransom. Especially the well known gate camp groups tend to earn a lot of money with that. I personally know of "the united", quite a few guys in shadow Cartel, Heretics and TunDraGon of course! I-¦d like to link this thread. Individuals as well es corp/alliances that honor ransom are listed here.
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
119
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Posted - 2013.09.19 10:31:00 -
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Last I heard, Tusker pirates honoured ransoms as well.
Also, the hell is wrong with people in this thread. I mean - yeah sure this guy made a mistake of paying the wrong types, paid for it but he accepted it as a mistake. And is now just trying to warn others that would've done the same thing in his place.
And sometimes, ransom can be a way out if the pirate honours it - you loose less than what your ship is worth and get away, he doesn't have to count on the loot drop to get money out of it. Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet? |
Antony E Stark
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2013.09.19 11:55:00 -
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Shederov Blood wrote:Those pirates are poo poo heads! This will be dealt with.
Larkonis, is that you? I see you had a sex change and got some boobs. Good job!
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Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
1061
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Posted - 2013.09.19 13:54:00 -
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Those individuals tried to ransom me once. But then the rest of the fleet arrived. I'm Denzel Washington, and I play chess. |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
44
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Posted - 2013.09.19 14:23:00 -
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Lt Manshield wrote:Axirillon Grinder wrote:as said difference of opinion and yes it's a harsh game, I repeat, just attempting to raise awareness for the random rookie trolling the forums and coming across this so he'll be forewarned and maybe not make the same mistake I made, if it can happen it will happen and putting my faith in my fellow man was not an understatement, experienced enough rip-offs, scams, screw overs on the internet, can live with that, alas real life ain't any better, of course there are exceptions, some people do deserve the trust others put in them, just wish there were more of those, that's all.
- Axi Delicious tears. Please get scammed in any of the myriad other ways (maybe by me) and then start another thread about it. Player created content, you see :V Also never not sign your posts - username which is visible to the left of my post. Teinyhr wrote:Well, this thread shows that the community has changed, and I'm not sure it's for the better. At least some 3-4 years ago ransoms were honoured and this kind of thread would of gotten much more support from actual pirates chiming in that not honouring ransoms hurts their playstyle. But I suppose "true pirates" are a dying breed as people seem to be only interested in getting killmails at any cost.
Now it's mostly "hurpadurp honour in eve LOL?" Really don't like this change in attitude. Unironically HTFU.
I didnt see any tears...
LMFAO @ any reply being called "tears". No raging here, no complaining.... OP just said "Hey, be aware".
Is that tears? Delicious ones? Your standards have lowered in your vain attempt to fit into the C&P status quo....
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
731
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Posted - 2013.09.19 14:26:00 -
[46] - Quote
Eugene Kerner wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:unidenify wrote:I am sure it is easier to make list of all pirate who honor ransom. I've got that list somewhere... Oh here it is: But yeah, never pay ransoms. Just give them the finger and burn away. If you die, you die. If you are lucky (or not in a bubble), you get to keep your pod. I have to object there....I know quite a few entities who will always honor a payed ransom. Especially the well known gate camp groups tend to earn a lot of money with that. I personally know of "the united", quite a few guys in shadow Cartel, Heretics and TunDraGon of course! I-¦d like to link this thread.Individuals as well es corp/alliances that honor ransom are listed here. Indeed. I'd bet on statistics though that tell me they probably won't. And that losing my ship and isk on top is simply adding to their enjoyment of the whole situation. If I burn away telling them where to shove it, I will probably die, but I can die with dignity. And I can usually take one with me. Them asking me for a ransom simply gives me more opportunity to figure out which one will drop. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
45
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Posted - 2013.09.19 14:36:00 -
[47] - Quote
The first thing you should do when you get ransomed is make peace with the fact that your ship is going to explode. Dont stop fighting. If you stop fighting, they will have a much easier time locking your pod. When you realize that your going to pop, align to the celestial nearest your current direction, and start spamming "S". 9 times out of 10, you will instawarp when popped and they wont get your pod. I keep a tab on my overview called "pod saver" that just lists the sun and planets so I can get to it fast. You dont wanna warp to a station or gate because of your aggression timer, so a planet or the sun is your best bet. If they are good, they will see where you went, so be ready to bounce out as soon as you land.
If they DO get your pod scrammed... 9 times out of 10 you will die. They will either kill you immediately, or try to ransom. If they ransom you, open up your character sheet, and start unplugging implants. Your going to lose them anyhow, and why give them the satisfaction of a lengthy pod KM. As a finishing touch, I like to let them know I did that afterward. |
Maxpie
MUSE Buy-n-Large Metaphysical Utopian Society Enterprises
333
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Posted - 2013.09.19 14:39:00 -
[48] - Quote
Leto Thule wrote:Lt Manshield wrote:Axirillon Grinder wrote:as said difference of opinion and yes it's a harsh game, I repeat, just attempting to raise awareness for the random rookie trolling the forums and coming across this so he'll be forewarned and maybe not make the same mistake I made, if it can happen it will happen and putting my faith in my fellow man was not an understatement, experienced enough rip-offs, scams, screw overs on the internet, can live with that, alas real life ain't any better, of course there are exceptions, some people do deserve the trust others put in them, just wish there were more of those, that's all.
- Axi Delicious tears. Please get scammed in any of the myriad other ways (maybe by me) and then start another thread about it. Player created content, you see :V Also never not sign your posts - username which is visible to the left of my post. Teinyhr wrote:Well, this thread shows that the community has changed, and I'm not sure it's for the better. At least some 3-4 years ago ransoms were honoured and this kind of thread would of gotten much more support from actual pirates chiming in that not honouring ransoms hurts their playstyle. But I suppose "true pirates" are a dying breed as people seem to be only interested in getting killmails at any cost.
Now it's mostly "hurpadurp honour in eve LOL?" Really don't like this change in attitude. Unironically HTFU. I didnt see any tears... LMFAO @ any reply being called "tears". No raging here, no complaining.... OP just said "Hey, be aware". Is that tears? Delicious ones? Your standards have lowered in your vain attempt to fit into the C&P status quo....
Rofl, I was thinking the exact same thing. Could this guy be any more cliche? It's like one of those dolls where you pull the string and it says one of like 5 things - "tears" "htfu" "herp derp" "cold harsh" - no matter the context of the conversation.
No good deed goes unpunished |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
45
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Posted - 2013.09.19 14:46:00 -
[49] - Quote
Maxpie wrote: Rofl, I was thinking the exact same thing. Could this guy be any more cliche? It's like one of those dolls where you pull the string and it says one of like 5 things - "tears" "htfu" "herp derp" "cold harsh" - no matter the context of the conversation.
LMAO exactly! |
Baron' Soontir Fel
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
26
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Posted - 2013.09.19 15:16:00 -
[50] - Quote
Yea, from an economic standpoint, ransoming always makes sense to pirates. Much easier to get straight cash instead of modules and unlucky loot fairies. It's just that idiots think they can get the killmail and the ransom and there will be no consequences for their actions.
*Surprise* There is!
Hardly anyone pays ransoms anymore because people are untrustworthy. It's sad because ransoms benefit both parties involved. |
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Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
98
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Posted - 2013.09.19 17:27:00 -
[51] - Quote
Never pay Ransom...
Never fly with Implants...
Never Fly what you can't afford to lose. Never Marry someone you can't afford to get rid of... Everyone is always repeating the mantra "Don't Trust Anyone" ad nauseum... If I can't trust the guys I play with, why bother playing with them at all? Fly Solo... |
Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2013.09.20 00:28:00 -
[52] - Quote
LOL you got of your ship. Did you grease up your butthole too.
Doh. |
Daemon Ceed
TunDraGon
347
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Posted - 2013.09.20 05:32:00 -
[53] - Quote
Just to iterate to non-believers: there are some pirates out there like TunDraGon who do honor ransoms when we offer or are asked for one. We are the oldest pirate corp in Eve and maintain a strict policy on ransoming. If you're caught by us, take the ransom offer, for either your ship or your pod. The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
830
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Posted - 2013.09.20 06:41:00 -
[54] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:unidenify wrote:I am sure it is easier to make list of all pirate who honor ransom. I've got that list somewhere... Oh here it is: But yeah, never pay ransoms. Just give them the finger and burn away. If you die, you die. If you are lucky (or not in a bubble), you get to keep your pod. I have to object there....I know quite a few entities who will always honor a payed ransom. Especially the well known gate camp groups tend to earn a lot of money with that. I personally know of "the united", quite a few guys in shadow Cartel, Heretics and TunDraGon of course! I-¦d like to link this thread.Individuals as well es corp/alliances that honor ransom are listed here. Indeed. I'd bet on statistics though that tell me they probably won't. And that losing my ship and isk on top is simply adding to their enjoyment of the whole situation. If I burn away telling them where to shove it, I will probably die, but I can die with dignity. And I can usually take one with me. Them asking me for a ransom simply gives me more opportunity to figure out which one will drop. We even refund victims if they paid ransom and some trigger happy member of tdg kills them in spite of paying. Strict rules!
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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BoSau Hotim
uitraan diversified holdings incorporated
7071
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Posted - 2013.09.20 07:00:00 -
[55] - Quote
Axirillon Grinder wrote:Would love to see people actually read. It is not about these particular players and more about AWARENESS for new players like myself that they fully realize how harsh this game can be, the situation named is mainly an EXAMPLE of what happens when you are na+»ve about your fellow players in this game and hence I am still convinced that the topic is in the right spot although I might just troll over to that forum to spam the crap out of it about how dishonest these guys are, but nope, it is part of the game, I gambled, I lost, I live on, the fact remains I intend this topic for NEW PLAYERS, so you forum warriors please get off my back that the topic is in the wrong place, it is not intended for you, your opinion is noted and I reject it by my arguments named above. If it bugs you that bad then get a forum mod to move this topic.
- Axi
I would just let it drop if I were you... the location of this. The vets know what they are talking about and it doesn't matter what argument you make for it. The more you give your reasons the more they will answer. Just the nature of these forums that's all. I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!-á Now... where's Ken? |
BoSau Hotim
uitraan diversified holdings incorporated
7071
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Posted - 2013.09.20 07:06:00 -
[56] - Quote
Teinyhr wrote:Well, this thread shows that the community has changed, and I'm not sure it's for the better. At least some 3-4 years ago ransoms were (usually, obviously not always) honoured and this kind of thread would of gotten much more support from actual pirates chiming in that not honouring ransoms hurts their playstyle. But I suppose "true pirates" are a dying breed as people seem to be only interested in getting killmails at any cost.
Now it's mostly "hurpadurp honour in eve LOL?" Really don't like this change in attitude.
I think it's more hurpadurp "true pirates".
I think true pirates are the ones who don't honour a ransom. I have to think of a different name for the ones that honour a ransom... Kinda-sorta pirates... Wannabe pirate... hurpadurp pirate... I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!-á Now... where's Ken? |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
830
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Posted - 2013.09.20 07:24:00 -
[57] - Quote
BoSau Hotim wrote:Teinyhr wrote:Well, this thread shows that the community has changed, and I'm not sure it's for the better. At least some 3-4 years ago ransoms were (usually, obviously not always) honoured and this kind of thread would of gotten much more support from actual pirates chiming in that not honouring ransoms hurts their playstyle. But I suppose "true pirates" are a dying breed as people seem to be only interested in getting killmails at any cost.
Now it's mostly "hurpadurp honour in eve LOL?" Really don't like this change in attitude. I think it's more hurpadurp "true pirates". I think true pirates are the ones who don't honour a ransom. I have to think of a different name for the ones that honour a ransom... Kinda-sorta pirates... Wannabe pirate... hurpadurp pirate... says security status 4.0
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard Brothers of Tangra
324
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Posted - 2013.09.20 10:11:00 -
[58] - Quote
BoSau Hotim wrote:Teinyhr wrote:Well, this thread shows that the community has changed, and I'm not sure it's for the better. At least some 3-4 years ago ransoms were (usually, obviously not always) honoured and this kind of thread would of gotten much more support from actual pirates chiming in that not honouring ransoms hurts their playstyle. But I suppose "true pirates" are a dying breed as people seem to be only interested in getting killmails at any cost.
Now it's mostly "hurpadurp honour in eve LOL?" Really don't like this change in attitude. I think it's more hurpadurp "true pirates". I think true pirates are the ones who don't honour a ransom. I have to think of a different name for the ones that honour a ransom... Kinda-sorta pirates... Wannabe pirate... hurpadurp pirate...
You should look up the meaning of pirate then. |
Sylphy
TSOE Po1ice TSOE Consortium
13
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Posted - 2013.09.20 11:16:00 -
[59] - Quote
Pirates honoring ransoms? Like that's ever going to happen. That's what is the basis of their "jobs", they steal from the rich and give to themselves. If you believe and pay that means so much bigger reward for the same thing. |
Axirillon Grinder
Axi's Beerpounders
8
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Posted - 2013.09.20 11:52:00 -
[60] - Quote
IMHO, this has gone a little off topic, this went towards the discussion if ransoms are part of piracy, to discuss that you'd have to weigh the benefits of ransoming over destroying, by doing both you will per definition prevent people in believing in ransoms, which in turn is a decent alternative due to the fact of random drops may not be as much worth as the ship itself, the simple point is that from my experience I will and have been warning people never ever to pay ransoms, nor comply to requests for ransoms because they will not be honored,
True piracy is a profession and should be regarded as that, the 2 ways gaining ISK like that would be either ransoming or destroying and looting, the first should be a far more reliable way to make income however is based on trust, my trust in ransoming has taken a severe hit and I will rather opt for destruction or even self destruct my ship next time I get in such a situation. That is the main point of this thread, raise awareness that there is a risk that if you are opted for ransom it will not be honored, I myself always stick with agreements I make and I know there are others out there that do so aswell, but in the end it boils down to the simple fact that looting wrecks is less stable and lucrative than succesfull ransoming, people like I encountered will have a huge negative impact on people that make ransoms their main way of income.
- Axi |
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Mike Adoulin
Trans-Aerospace Industries
351
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Posted - 2013.09.20 14:10:00 -
[61] - Quote
And then the magic happened...... |
Shey Nabali
The Bastards Shadow Cartel
0
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Posted - 2013.09.20 18:44:00 -
[62] - Quote
Eugene Kerner wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:unidenify wrote:I am sure it is easier to make list of all pirate who honor ransom. I've got that list somewhere... Oh here it is: But yeah, never pay ransoms. Just give them the finger and burn away. If you die, you die. If you are lucky (or not in a bubble), you get to keep your pod. I have to object there....I know quite a few entities who will always honor a payed ransom. Especially the well known gate camp groups tend to earn a lot of money with that. I personally know of "the united", quite a few guys in shadow Cartel, Heretics and TunDraGon of course! I-¦d like to link this thread.Individuals as well es corp/alliances that honor ransom are listed here.
I will confirm that Shadow Cartel does, indeed, honor ransoms on the rare occasion that they are offered. It's simply not in our own best-interest to screw with people like that. If a shadow cartel member offers to ransom you, and then betrays it, you can contact any member of alliance or corp leadership for restitution.
Alot of other groups will do the same thing. |
Vecor Quel
No Blue Goat Trading
0
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Posted - 2013.09.20 19:38:00 -
[63] - Quote
My buddy and I had a similar experience with this group. My lesson learned? -Don't try to pvp in a BC when you don't know what you're doing. -Don't pay ransoms. Blow your **** up yourself if they're pussyfooting around trying to get more money from you. -Don't trust eve players. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
89
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Posted - 2013.09.20 20:21:00 -
[64] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:unidenify wrote:I am sure it is easier to make list of all pirate who honor ransom. I've got that list somewhere... Oh here it is: But yeah, never pay ransoms. Just give them the finger and burn away. If you die, you die. If you are lucky (or not in a bubble), you get to keep your pod.
lots of people honour ransoms. I was once looting sites in a WH when they blocked the exit with a heavy dictor plus dps and then started scanning me down. i stupidly hadn't fit a cloak on my salvage destroyer and got chased from safe to safe for the next 2 hours. eventually i started chatting in local and worked out a payment for leaving. I paid. They dropped the bubble and i left. If they had me pointed however i wouldn't have bothered trying to pay a ransom. Make a judgement and make a choice. People might honour it or they might not. There are lists of people that honour them if u look. If i accepted a ransom i would honour it but usually i prefer the KM so don't even discuss it. |
BoSau Hotim
uitraan diversified holdings incorporated
7076
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Posted - 2013.09.20 23:29:00 -
[65] - Quote
Eugene Kerner wrote:BoSau Hotim wrote:Teinyhr wrote:Well, this thread shows that the community has changed, and I'm not sure it's for the better. At least some 3-4 years ago ransoms were (usually, obviously not always) honoured and this kind of thread would of gotten much more support from actual pirates chiming in that not honouring ransoms hurts their playstyle. But I suppose "true pirates" are a dying breed as people seem to be only interested in getting killmails at any cost.
Now it's mostly "hurpadurp honour in eve LOL?" Really don't like this change in attitude. I think it's more hurpadurp "true pirates". I think true pirates are the ones who don't honour a ransom. I have to think of a different name for the ones that honour a ransom... Kinda-sorta pirates... Wannabe pirate... hurpadurp pirate... says security status 4.0
Hello, I never called myself a pirate. I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!-á Now... where's Ken? |
BoSau Hotim
uitraan diversified holdings incorporated
7076
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Posted - 2013.09.20 23:46:00 -
[66] - Quote
Axirillon Grinder wrote:IMHO, this has gone a little off topic, this went towards the discussion if ransoms are part of piracy, to discuss that you'd have to weigh the benefits of ransoming over destroying, by doing both you will per definition prevent people in believing in ransoms, which in turn is a decent alternative due to the fact of random drops may not be as much worth as the ship itself, the simple point is that from my experience I will and have been warning people never ever to pay ransoms, nor comply to requests for ransoms because they will not be honored,
True piracy is a profession and should be regarded as that, the 2 ways gaining ISK like that would be either ransoming or destroying and looting, the first should be a far more reliable way to make income however is based on trust, my trust in ransoming has taken a severe hit and I will rather opt for destruction or even self destruct my ship next time I get in such a situation. That is the main point of this thread, raise awareness that there is a risk that if you are opted for ransom it will not be honored, I myself always stick with agreements I make and I know there are others out there that do so aswell, but in the end it boils down to the simple fact that looting wrecks is less stable and lucrative than succesfull ransoming, people like I encountered will have a huge negative impact on people that make ransoms their main way of income.
- Axi
I enjoy our attempts of determining what a pirate can or can't do, and if they don't fit our idea of that profession then they are wrong. Honestly - if you find the pirate code and then quote the part that says you may either:
A. Ask for money and if they give it let them go B. Ask for money and if they refuse blow their ship up C. If you don't do one of the above 2 then you are in violation of the pirate code and are no longer considered a pirate.
Seriously, I know you have your opinion regarding this, but I would like you to consider something.
I know a player who considers it "unsportsmanlike" if you pod someone after pvp. So tell me is it unportsmanlike or not? Who is the one person in EvE that should decide whether it is?
To me it is the same thing when we all sit down and determine what makes up the 'pirate' profession or not. IMO a pirate can choose to behave anyway he wants committing robbery, ransoming, violence, reneging on a promise, corp theft, etc etc. I don't think they need to necessarily follow your or my definition though - that's the beauty of it.
I know this isn't the main point of your OP, but I just wanted to discuss it since it seems to be a secondary theme here.
I do agree with you to never allow yourself to be ransomed again. I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!-á Now... where's Ken? |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2013.09.21 12:17:00 -
[67] - Quote
These idiots destroyed my 100 Million ISK ship, THEN tried to ransom my pod for 30 Million. I had no implants, my death clone was less than 10 million, and I prefered a quick ride home. Maybe try the ransom BEFORE destroying the ship... Everyone is always repeating the mantra "Don't Trust Anyone" ad nauseum... If I can't trust the guys I play with, why bother playing with them at all? Fly Solo... |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
831
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Posted - 2013.09.21 12:32:00 -
[68] - Quote
Doc Severide wrote:These idiots destroyed my 100 Million ISK ship, THEN tried to ransom my pod for 30 Million. I had no implants, my death clone was less than 10 million, and I prefered a quick ride home. Maybe try the ransom BEFORE destroying the ship...
Some ships will get blown up really fast if you do not type ransom in local (when you jump into a gate camp there is a lot of time before you uncloak to do so for example) usually pods are worth more than the ships...(people fly with very shiny implants nowerdays...) so we usually try to ransom the pods. Ransoms for ships are offered if we catch an Orca, a freighter or a jump freighter. We accept ransoms for other ships if actively approached though...
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Xolve
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1999
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Posted - 2013.09.21 15:46:00 -
[69] - Quote
Eugene Kerner wrote:says security status 4.0
Says security status -9.9; keep trying sweetheart, you'll get there one day.
Also- I hear killing primarily cyno ships is the absolute pinnacle of piratehood and elite pvp.
Also, Also- Aunenen cost you another alliance, lol. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
831
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Posted - 2013.09.21 17:09:00 -
[70] - Quote
Xolve wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:says security status 4.0 Says security status -9.9; keep trying sweetheart, you'll get there one day. Also- I hear killing primarily cyno ships is the absolute pinnacle of piratehood and elite pvp. Also, Also- Aunenen cost you another alliance, lol.
Lol PL nough said
(Aunenen is priceless)
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Axirillon Grinder
Axi's Beerpounders
11
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Posted - 2013.09.21 22:39:00 -
[71] - Quote
BoSau Hotim wrote:Axirillon Grinder wrote:IMHO, this has gone a little off topic, this went towards the discussion if ransoms are part of piracy, to discuss that you'd have to weigh the benefits of ransoming over destroying, by doing both you will per definition prevent people in believing in ransoms, which in turn is a decent alternative due to the fact of random drops may not be as much worth as the ship itself, the simple point is that from my experience I will and have been warning people never ever to pay ransoms, nor comply to requests for ransoms because they will not be honored,
True piracy is a profession and should be regarded as that, the 2 ways gaining ISK like that would be either ransoming or destroying and looting, the first should be a far more reliable way to make income however is based on trust, my trust in ransoming has taken a severe hit and I will rather opt for destruction or even self destruct my ship next time I get in such a situation. That is the main point of this thread, raise awareness that there is a risk that if you are opted for ransom it will not be honored, I myself always stick with agreements I make and I know there are others out there that do so aswell, but in the end it boils down to the simple fact that looting wrecks is less stable and lucrative than succesfull ransoming, people like I encountered will have a huge negative impact on people that make ransoms their main way of income.
- Axi I enjoy our attempts of determining what a pirate can or can't do, and if they don't fit our idea of that profession then they are wrong. Honestly - if you find the pirate code and then quote the part that says you may either: A. Ask for money and if they give it let them go B. Ask for money and if they refuse blow their ship up C. If you don't do one of the above 2 then you are in violation of the pirate code and are no longer considered a pirate. Seriously, I know you have your opinion regarding this, but I would like you to consider something. I know a player who considers it "unsportsmanlike" if you pod someone after pvp. So tell me is it unportsmanlike or not? Who is the one person in EvE that should decide whether it is? To me it is the same thing when we all sit down and determine what makes up the 'pirate' profession or not. IMO a pirate can choose to behave anyway he wants committing robbery, ransoming, violence, reneging on a promise, corp theft, etc etc. I don't think they need to necessarily follow your or my definition though - that's the beauty of it. I know this isn't the main point of your OP, but I just wanted to discuss it since it seems to be a secondary theme here. I do agree with you to never allow yourself to be ransomed again.
To repond to your question, no my view of a pirate is not being discussed nor the fact what a real pirate is, would be the same to call a thief a criminal and a murderer is a criminal, for the definition of criminal it would not matter, both are correct, what I said was that not honoring ransoms will hurt a stable way of income. Where do you get the idea I imply that a pirate would act a certain way or along certain rules? The only thing I am pointing out in that particular post would be that not abiding by ransoms and thus break agreements hurts that kind of business because I will think twice before entering such an agreement. You say you know my opinion about said situation, you'd be wrong, in my opinion in the end a pirate is someone after loot and isk, not after kills, in my opinion that's just a common murderer but let me state it really clear so there will be no mistaking it, this is my opinion, yes you can disagree, yes you can discuss it, no it won't change the fact that it's subjective and in such impossible to prove wrong just as I can't deny your opinion. So sitting down and have "all" decide what a pirate is or is not is impossible per definition.
-Axi |
BoSau Hotim
uitraan diversified holdings incorporated
7076
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Posted - 2013.09.22 03:36:00 -
[72] - Quote
I get the idea by the way you write. As you stated above " True piracy is a profession and should be regarded as that, the 2 ways gaining ISK like that would be either ransoming or destroying and looting"
That sure sounds like you deciding what true piracy is. I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!-á Now... where's Ken? |
Axirillon Grinder
Axi's Beerpounders
11
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Posted - 2013.09.22 09:20:00 -
[73] - Quote
Nope, it's an opinion, that's why I explained what I meant in the line after that, as I said you and I have a difference there in what we mean, you view pirate as a no holds criminal who can do everything and anything, I view it as someone with a goal of gaining ISK as a primary motivation, as I said, both are correct, but it's silly to discuss because it's subjective and hence the discussion about "true piracy" is impossible. But from the viewpoint of gaining ISK ransoming is more effective than blowing things up so the motivation of these people is different hence they do not fit my view of piracy, again don't misread, it's my view and as you say a definition is decided by "all" is a ridiculous notice.
Anyways, this will be my last post about defining piracy I'll make here. I was not and never meant to get sidetracked by a discussion over defining a word, I meant to warn people for certain situations that I in my foolishness misjudged.
- Axi |
Kalishka Askulf
Rumors Of Survival
22
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Posted - 2013.09.23 15:26:00 -
[74] - Quote
Axirillon Grinder wrote:Be aware of the following people, they ransomed me and a friend for our ships, we paid the ransom then as we ejected (agreed in the deal to let them have a rookie killmail) "mislocated" the ships held for ransom. Also in the deal it was agreed on we would NOT get podded, only to get killed anyway. Our ships got stolen and I lost a set of implants.
Booster Mord - Dirt Nap Squad [D-N-S] Crassadi Sinq Laison Happiness [HAPEN] Cypir - Member of rules of aquisition [ROA-A]
Well hope someone will check their names and realise THEY WILL SCREW YOU OVER ANYWAY, so don't try a ransom with them.
- Axi
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
832
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Posted - 2013.09.23 16:53:00 -
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Axirillon Grinder wrote:Nope, it's an opinion, that's why I explained what I meant in the line after that, as I said you and I have a difference there in what we mean, you view pirate as a no holds criminal who can do everything and anything, I view it as someone with a goal of gaining ISK as a primary motivation, as I said, both are correct, but it's silly to discuss because it's subjective and hence the discussion about "true piracy" is impossible. But from the viewpoint of gaining ISK ransoming is more effective than blowing things up so the motivation of these people is different hence they do not fit my view of piracy, again don't misread, it's my view and as you say a definition is decided by "all" is a ridiculous notice.
Anyways, this will be my last post about defining piracy I'll make here. I was not and never meant to get sidetracked by a discussion over defining a word, I meant to warn people for certain situations that I in my foolishness misjudged.
- Axi Welcome to C&P
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
48
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Posted - 2013.09.23 17:46:00 -
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Axirillon Grinder wrote:Nope, it's an opinion, that's why I explained what I meant in the line after that, as I said you and I have a difference there in what we mean, you view pirate as a no holds criminal who can do everything and anything, I view it as someone with a goal of gaining ISK as a primary motivation, as I said, both are correct, but it's silly to discuss because it's subjective and hence the discussion about "true piracy" is impossible. But from the viewpoint of gaining ISK ransoming is more effective than blowing things up so the motivation of these people is different hence they do not fit my view of piracy, again don't misread, it's my view and as you say a definition is decided by "all" is a ridiculous notice.
Anyways, this will be my last post about defining piracy I'll make here. I was not and never meant to get sidetracked by a discussion over defining a word, I meant to warn people for certain situations that I in my foolishness misjudged.
- Axi
+1.
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Taoist Dragon
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
583
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Posted - 2013.09.24 03:21:00 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:Doc Severide wrote:These idiots destroyed my 100 Million ISK ship, THEN tried to ransom my pod for 30 Million. I had no implants, my death clone was less than 10 million, and I prefered a quick ride home. Maybe try the ransom BEFORE destroying the ship... Some ships will get blown up really fast if you do not type ransom in local (when you jump into a gate camp there is a lot of time before you uncloak to do so for example) usually pods are worth more than the ships...(people fly with very shiny implants nowerdays...) so we usually try to ransom the pods. Ransoms for ships are offered if we catch an Orca, a freighter or a jump freighter. We accept ransoms for other ships if actively approached though...
Extracting a ransom is an art form (not one that I've mastered though) as in the above example if your clone is clean and your pod gets pointed then why would you pay an ransom?! or say a 50 mil ransom for a 15mil fit frig etc.
There are a fair few poeple out there who will honour ransoms. But like in any negotiation you need to know what you are negotiating for and it's worth. If I grab your pod and ask for 50 mil ransom and you have 1.5bil implants then you'd be better off paying the ransom as the worst that can happen is you lose you 1.5bil pod and 50mil (if you have that kind of pod then 50mil is pocket change) best you get to keep your expensive implants and are let go.
It's a simple numbers game in the end. As a pirate I will try to ransom should I get the chance however sometimes the fight is on and all I'm looking for is a killmail. My corp has a rule about ransoms. "honour them if you offer them". We will always honour ransoms that are made and accepted. That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
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SB Rico
210
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Posted - 2013.09.24 04:26:00 -
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Confirming here the united always honor ransoms. We are also required to honor 1 v 1s, 2 v 2s etc. (we just don't offer those)
Failure to do so is one of the few ways we can end up being booted. Scammers are currently selling killrights on this toon for up to 5mil, if you have paid for this service demand your money back at once.
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Julius Priscus
138
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Posted - 2013.09.24 06:50:00 -
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Teinyhr wrote:But I suppose "true pirates" are a dying breed as people seem to be only interested in getting killmails at any cost.
Now it's mostly "hurpadurp honour in eve LOL?" Really don't like this change in attitude.
I had a dude in a 130+ man corp recruit me... the name rang alarm bells so I did a back ground check on "3 c po " nothing came back. so I applied. them 12 hours later I had a gut feeling so I dug deeper and found he recruits people just so he can kill them once in corp.
so yes you are right lol -»\_(pâä)_/-»-á Sup cracka ! |
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